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The other 1/2 just got back from her union meeting in Wellington and she sounds a damn sight more impressed with Little than she was the former minister .

Clark didn’t even front his second year which really pissed off the medical specialists.

Thing is however , is there any money for the changes needed ?

Doubtful .
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30 year suppression of evidence given in the Royal Inquiry into Chch terrorism attack , I wonder why, they are pleading the 5th....
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A brutal assessment of the role of Police in the Christchurch massacre and the role of NZ's spy agencies.
The police forms show one referee must be a spouse, partner, or next-of-kin who normally resides with or is related to you, and the other must be a person who is unrelated to you, over 20 years old, and knows you well.

But the terrorist's referees were his online gaming friend and the online gaming friend's father.
:frown:
Haris Murtaza investigated the role of New Zealand's spy agencies and found they wrongly concentrated on Muslim extremists.

He said they were "100 percent" looking the wrong way.

"And because they were putting all their resources and all their focus on the Muslim community, they missed right-wing extremism and they missed the Christchurch terrorist."

The report details that, starting with Anders Breivik's mass murder in Norway in 2011, there have been 45 white supremacist terrorist attacks that should have been warning signs for our spies.

Missed warnings that came at a devastating cost.
:x

At least the authorities are watching the white guys now. Hopefully they can't do any more damage.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... eport.html
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Who signed off on the changes from requiring referees to be interviewed in person to allow references from online sources.......awkward much
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I doubt that there was a signoff to any procedural changes - I just think they got lazy due to other priorities.

A bit like Pike River and Cave Creek - and leaky homes. Cut corners and there is a price to pay.
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Enzedder wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:48 am I doubt that there was a signoff to any procedural changes - I just think they got lazy due to other priorities.

A bit like Pike River and Cave Creek - and leaky homes. Cut corners and there is a price to pay.
Indeed. But let us not go too hard on Labour at te time refusing to let Pike River open cast, and ignoring all the warnings about doing it, and signing off the dodgy layout.
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Enzedder wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:48 am I doubt that there was a signoff to any procedural changes - I just think they got lazy due to other priorities.

A bit like Pike River and Cave Creek - and leaky homes. Cut corners and there is a price to pay.
Yep, :nod: :((
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Interesting.
The paper cites a Treasury analysis saying that the tax “will reduce the Gini coefficient for individual after-tax income by an estimated 0.2 percentage points (from 0.493 to 0.491)”.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... inequality

That's not too bad for delivery for this Labour party is it?

It's lower than than the 0.9% delivery of the government fleet gone carbon neutral.
And it's much lower than than the 1.3% houses delivered under Kiwibuild.
But it is infinitely better than the 0% light rail delivered.
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Santa wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:45 am Interesting.
The paper cites a Treasury analysis saying that the tax “will reduce the Gini coefficient for individual after-tax income by an estimated 0.2 percentage points (from 0.493 to 0.491)”.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... inequality

That's not too bad for delivery for this Labour party is it?

It's lower than than the 0.9% delivery of the government fleet gone carbon neutral.
And it's much lower than than the 1.3% houses delivered under Kiwibuild.
But it is infinitely better than the 0% light rail delivered.
I for one am really proud Jacinda announced we have a Climate Emergency today.

It again just goes to show how much effort we are putting into solving he problem.

I don't know how she does it, announcing these massive policies, like a climate emergency/crisis, while simultaneously making sure the nannys are looking after little Neve.
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I hope she has an explanation for this
The Kiwi chocolate which is (sometimes) cheaper in Australia

Brittney Deguara

Whittaker’s chocolate is a Kiwi icon, but you can – occasionally – buy it cheaper in Australia.

It left a sour taste for Northland man Mike Loomey​, who found blocks on discount at A$2.95 ($3.08) at a Woolworths supermarket in Brisbane, Queensland.
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Mr Mike wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:01 pm I hope she has an explanation for this
The Kiwi chocolate which is (sometimes) cheaper in Australia

Brittney Deguara

Whittaker’s chocolate is a Kiwi icon, but you can – occasionally – buy it cheaper in Australia.

It left a sour taste for Northland man Mike Loomey​, who found blocks on discount at A$2.95 ($3.08) at a Woolworths supermarket in Brisbane, Queensland.
OUTRAGE!!!
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Serious stuff
“Bloody shocked!” said Loomey, of Glenbervie. “I’ve never seen Whittaker’s this cheap in [New Zealand] and never imagined they’d be this cheap overseas with all the costs of shipping. It’s outrageous how Kiwis are ripped off in our own country for products made here.”

“I’m a huge fan, always support Kiwi-made but pretty pissed off that I’m being charged more for it in my own country than my Aussie mates!”
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The Government's move to protect drug-testing services from prosecution over the festival season has put National at odds with its youth wing.

Earlier on Tuesday Labour's Health Minister Andrew Little said it would pass short-term legislation to allow services like Know Your Stuff to legally receive and test drugs over summer for high-risk substances and dangerous impurities.

Little said until today both the services and the festivals which allow them have effectively been operating illegally, and the move is reassurance "they will not be criminalised for their efforts to keep young New Zealanders safe this summer". Whilst I cannot condone drug use ,if a young person makes the mistake of choosing to take an illicit drug, it should not be their death sentence."

But National's justice spokesperson Simon Bridges wasn't impressed, warning the move could instead encourage young people to do drugs.

"National isn't supporting the pill testing bill because it sends the wrong message on hard drugs to our young and it gives them a false sense of security," he tweeted

Just how tone deaf are these idiots ?

Pandering to a decreasing base only guarantees a lengthy stay on the opposition benches.
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Mr Mike wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:01 pm I hope she has an explanation for this
The Kiwi chocolate which is (sometimes) cheaper in Australia

Brittney Deguara

Whittaker’s chocolate is a Kiwi icon, but you can – occasionally – buy it cheaper in Australia.

It left a sour taste for Northland man Mike Loomey​, who found blocks on discount at A$2.95 ($3.08) at a Woolworths supermarket in Brisbane, Queensland.
Whittaker’s is usually $7 in my local Woolies and is on sale for $5 this week.
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Supermarkets in loss leader scandal. Read all about it...
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Mr Mike wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:47 pm Serious stuff
“Bloody shocked!” said Loomey, of Glenbervie. “I’ve never seen Whittaker’s this cheap in [New Zealand] and never imagined they’d be this cheap overseas with all the costs of shipping. It’s outrageous how Kiwis are ripped off in our own country for products made here.”

“I’m a huge fan, always support Kiwi-made but pretty pissed off that I’m being charged more for it in my own country than my Aussie mates!”
Incredible what is deemed news, isn't it?
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This Royal Commission report is prompting some pretty odd responses. Are people seriously questioning why the security services were focused more on Islamic terrorism than white supremacist terrorism?

Kitteridge is clearly having to play politics with her statements.
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Santa wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:49 pm This Royal Commission report is prompting some pretty odd responses. Are people seriously questioning why the security services were focused more on Islamic terrorism than white supremacist terrorism?

Kitteridge is clearly having to play politics with her statements.
It's reasonable to expect spy agencies to know more than the public. But in this case they knew less than the public about the risk of white supremacist attack. The Muslim community certainly knew about it, and any reading of right wing blogs like Kiwiblog and Whaleoil confirmed racism and particularly Islamaphobia was well entrenched in white New Zealand society.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:45 pm
Santa wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:49 pm This Royal Commission report is prompting some pretty odd responses. Are people seriously questioning why the security services were focused more on Islamic terrorism than white supremacist terrorism?

Kitteridge is clearly having to play politics with her statements.
It's reasonable to expect spy agencies to know more than the public. But in this case they knew less than the public about the risk of white supremacist attack. The Muslim community certainly knew about it, and any reading of right wing blogs like Kiwiblog and Whaleoil confirmed racism and particularly Islamaphobia was well entrenched in white New Zealand society.
In this case carried out by an Australian who moved to NZ with the plan partially in place to carry out what he did.
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Lookin' good Labour. :thumbup:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/educatio ... nd-science
New Zealand's 13-year-olds have recorded their worst-ever results in a major international maths and science test.
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Santa wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:57 pm Lookin' good Labour. :thumbup:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/educatio ... nd-science
New Zealand's 13-year-olds have recorded their worst-ever results in a major international maths and science test.
Hmmm. Wouldn't the performance of 13-year-olds reflect the general failure of NCEA. Not sure how you'd think any changes made during the 3 years of Labour government would have impacted on the ability of 13-year-olds to perform in academic tests. This is long term impacts of a poor system which has been presided over by long swathes of both Labour and National government.

But quite frankly, those results are atrocious.
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Gordon Bennett wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:11 am
Santa wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:57 pm Lookin' good Labour. :thumbup:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/educatio ... nd-science
New Zealand's 13-year-olds have recorded their worst-ever results in a major international maths and science test.
Hmmm. Wouldn't the performance of 13-year-olds reflect the general failure of NCEA. Not sure how you'd think any changes made during the 3 years of Labour government would have impacted on the ability of 13-year-olds to perform in academic tests. This is long term impacts of a poor system which has been presided over by long swathes of both Labour and National government.

But quite frankly, those results are atrocious.
Agree. Clearly long term over multiple governments. Actually probably speaks to some softheaded ideas that have taken root in the country, about what knowledge is, about what it is important to know, about what we should aspire to, about the state of the world and our place in it, about other stuff.

This to me is the most concerning paragraph
They said the results showed a "probably insurmountable gap" in maths achievement between Asian countries and the rest of the world, and that children's home environment had the biggest impact on their achievement across all countries.
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Santa wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:49 pm This Royal Commission report is prompting some pretty odd responses. Are people seriously questioning why the security services were focused more on Islamic terrorism than white supremacist terrorism?

Kitteridge is clearly having to play politics with her statements.
Back when the "terror" raids happened, targeting Maori (you know, our people ;) ) and vegans - some of us pointed out the presence of militia style groups that were running around NZ back then that were managing to avoid being focussed on by the police and intelligence. Marc Ellis even did a TV episode on them.
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I see Trevor Mallard's mouth has just cost the taxpayer north of $300,000, that's a pretty big cock up
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... allegation
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jambanja wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:54 am I see Trevor Mallard's mouth has just cost the taxpayer north of $300,000, that's a pretty big cock up
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... allegation
The serial groper did well out of it. $158K and not even named. :shock:

Nice work if you can get it.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -countries
New Zealand is not living up to its climate change promises when it comes to helping fund poorer countries adapt to a warming world, a report by Oxfam has found.

A new report says the country’s climate finance has “stagnated” in recent years putting it far behind comparative countries in per capita terms.

According to the report, Standing With The Frontlines, New Zealand ranks 21st out of 23 highly developed countries in total finance provided between 2017 and 2018 in per capita terms.
Tut tut.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:12 am
jambanja wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:54 am I see Trevor Mallard's mouth has just cost the taxpayer north of $300,000, that's a pretty big cock up
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... allegation
The serial groper did well out of it. $158K and not even named. :shock:

Nice work if you can get it.
Not as nice as Mallards.

You can say what you want, no matter how slanderous, get paid 300k, get a free house to live in, a crown driver and limo and travel expenses.

And if you act like an arsehole the tax payer gets to pay 300k silence money.
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Dark wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 2:20 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:12 am
jambanja wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:54 am I see Trevor Mallard's mouth has just cost the taxpayer north of $300,000, that's a pretty big cock up
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... allegation
The serial groper did well out of it. $158K and not even named. :shock:

Nice work if you can get it.
Not as nice as Mallards.

You can say what you want, no matter how slanderous, get paid 300k, get a free house to live in, a crown driver and limo and travel expenses.

And if you act like an arsehole the tax payer gets to pay 300k silence money.
He's a cvnt and should be gone from the speaker's chair and should be made to pay ALL of the fees etc.
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Doubt he will

He is Ardern's mate.

It will be one of her temporary turn off her preachy everyone has to be kind moments, like her MPs abusing staff and sexual assaults at their teen weekends.
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Mr Mike wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:01 pm I hope she has an explanation for this
The Kiwi chocolate which is (sometimes) cheaper in Australia

Brittney Deguara

Whittaker’s chocolate is a Kiwi icon, but you can – occasionally – buy it cheaper in Australia.

It left a sour taste for Northland man Mike Loomey​, who found blocks on discount at A$2.95 ($3.08) at a Woolworths supermarket in Brisbane, Queensland.
People eat that shit? :thumbdown:
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UncleFB wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:15 am
Santa wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:49 pm This Royal Commission report is prompting some pretty odd responses. Are people seriously questioning why the security services were focused more on Islamic terrorism than white supremacist terrorism?

Kitteridge is clearly having to play politics with her statements.
Back when the "terror" raids happened, targeting Maori (you know, our people ;) ) and vegans - some of us pointed out the presence of militia style groups that were running around NZ back then that were managing to avoid being focussed on by the police and intelligence. Marc Ellis even did a TV episode on them.

Fair point .

Bloody Winston didn’t help either .
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Harveys wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:04 pm
Mr Mike wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:01 pm I hope she has an explanation for this
The Kiwi chocolate which is (sometimes) cheaper in Australia

Brittney Deguara

Whittaker’s chocolate is a Kiwi icon, but you can – occasionally – buy it cheaper in Australia.

It left a sour taste for Northland man Mike Loomey​, who found blocks on discount at A$2.95 ($3.08) at a Woolworths supermarket in Brisbane, Queensland.
People eat that shit? :thumbdown:
This might be your most edgelordy post ever.
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https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/13-12 ... ti3nkdmHy4


Pretty much my thoughts .

Now to demand delivery , no excuses .
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That's a great article. It must have been fun watching this play out in Parliamentary offices.

I suspect that Ministers will be busy over Christmas getting policy ready for the next Parliamentary sessions.
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Enzedder wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:55 am That's a great article. It must have been fun watching this play out in Parliamentary offices.

I suspect that Ministers will be busy over Christmas getting policy ready for the next Parliamentary sessions.
Now to demand delivery , no excuses .
Oh, there's excuses alright. A pandemic and a recession to name a couple. I am not demanding too much - a focus on infrastructure and employment for me, with a long glance at climate effects while we're at it. Also, child poverty and home supply is vital to get a handle on in the social side of their tasks..
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Dark wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:36 am Doubt he will

He is Ardern's mate.

It will be one of her temporary turn off her preachy everyone has to be kind moments, like her MPs abusing staff and sexual assaults at their teen weekends.
Make up your mind. Either you want these predators outed, or you don't. it is inconsistent to rant unhinged about alleged harassment by a Labour staffer and a kid at a youth camp, and then protect the alleged parliamentary creep whose behaviour Mallard exposed.

Do you want the place cleaned up, or not?
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Only if it scores points he does .
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Enzedder wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:04 am
Enzedder wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:55 am That's a great article. It must have been fun watching this play out in Parliamentary offices.

I suspect that Ministers will be busy over Christmas getting policy ready for the next Parliamentary sessions.
Now to demand delivery , no excuses .
Oh, there's excuses alright. A pandemic and a recession to name a couple. I am not demanding too much - a focus on infrastructure and employment for me, with a long glance at climate effects while we're at it. Also, child poverty and home supply is vital to get a handle on in the social side of their tasks..

Maybe , but it’s times like these in the past that Labour have made changes , rather than simply nurse us back to the status quo .

Colour me progressive and on occasion optimistic.
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