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booji boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:25 pm

Tehui wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:33 pm

booji boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:36 am Isn't that the job of the children's parents?

Do you think everyone has equal opportunities?

No. So what do you do directly for the children? Isn't it about providing support for their families? Or do you want some sort of system where the children are supported directly? e.g. a child who can't afford to go on a school trip. The school is funded to pay for the trip directly rather than paying the parents? Food in schools for kids that come to school on an empty stomach. I believe some of these things are already happening.

What are your ideas about how the Govt should look after children? And by that I mean versus looking after the whole family?

Generous education vouchers for less wealthy households.

Stop providing free public education to well off households.

Eugenius wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:53 am

Sonny Blount wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:42 am

Eugenius wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:56 am The market the market the market ...

Most certainly doesn’t always provide .

Ultimately it’s worship only leads to greater and greater inequality.

No its people, people, people, that you hate.

Knowledge is distributed, which is why is people making independent choices works so much better.

What utter baloney .

It's an important mechanic that shapes the world you live in. It's always better to understand that than to not.

Here is a quick summary for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67tHtpac5ws

First time in a long time that if I was given a binary choice between National and Labour, I would be leaning towards Labour.

The worst thing about Nationals continuing implosion, is that it appears to be driving more people towards ACT, which will just speed up the "tribal politics" left vs right bullshit that so many seem so keen to adopt in NZ (because it has done such wonders everywhere else).

Anyone know if any work is being done on the possibility of "fee-bate" type solutions being implemented on areas other than vehicles? Revenue-neutral fees and subsidies on sustainable/responsible food production would be a step in the right direction.

Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:10 am

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:13 am Excellent. Keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. Love these 1990 appointments.

National Party president Peter Goodfellow has been re-elected to the position, prompting his challenger David Carter to resign from the board.

Goodfellow has been been in the role since 2009 but has been under pressure since the party's disastrous election showing given his oversight of candidate selections.

Speaking at the party's annual conference, Goodfellow told members he would work with the leader Judith Collins and caucus to ensure election victory in 2023.

To the audience's surprise, he then revealed Carter - a former Cabinet minister and Speaker - had retired from the board, despite only joining it last year.

Goodfellow said the board would meet later this year and consult members on how to fill the "casual vacancy".

The president is selected by the party's board. Goodfellow is known to be a successful fundraiser for the party.

Roughly 700 party members are in Auckland for the party's AGM which wraps up today with panels on the economy, Covid-19, and mental health.

Collins is also due to give the traditional leader's address early this afternoon.

I thought they had run out of ammunition, but they keep doing this

Only problem with that image is the foot is far too big to be Goodfellow's. He has incredibly tiny feet for an adult male.

No toes left?

Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:12 am National are still the main opposition party. I don’t want them in power, but having a an ineffective opposition does the country no favours. Good for for tribal pissing contests if you're in the right tribe, but not for keeping a government focused and on track.

Absolutely. But not only that, but the opposition and the alternative local candidates, should give us pause to think at the ballot box.

booji boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:25 pm

Tehui wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:33 pm

booji boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:36 am Isn't that the job of the children's parents?

Do you think everyone has equal opportunities?

No. So what do you do directly for the children? Isn't it about providing support for their families? Or do you want some sort of system where the children are supported directly? e.g. a child who can't afford to go on a school trip. The school is funded to pay for the trip directly rather than paying the parents? Food in schools for kids that come to school on an empty stomach. I believe some of these things are already happening.

What are your ideas about how the Govt should look after children? And by that I mean versus looking after the whole family?

Booji, I think there is merit in the education funding being targeted at and following the child, rather than the parents/family.

A similar system could be employed in the health system. In fact, I think it is currently on the table for discussion.

Demilich wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:27 am First time in a long time that if I was given a binary choice between National and Labour, I would be leaning towards Labour.

The worst thing about Nationals continuing implosion, is that it appears to be driving more people towards ACT, which will just speed up the "tribal politics" left vs right bullshit that so many seem so keen to adopt in NZ (because it has done such wonders everywhere else).

Anyone know if any work is being done on the possibility of "fee-bate" type solutions being implemented on areas other than vehicles? Revenue-neutral fees and subsidies on sustainable/responsible food production would be a step in the right direction.

Agree with your sentiments, though have been more inclined in the past to vote Labour than National.

I'm not sure on the second point, but financial inducement and market manipulation, rather than outright regulation or outlawing, in these circumstances, has a more palatable feel. What happens if the uptake is insufficient to reverse the adverse effects of pollution, climate change, etc, is going to be far more onerous than Booji having to give up his planet fvcking SUV and fuel gargling boat.

booji boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:25 pm

Tehui wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:33 pm

booji boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:36 am Isn't that the job of the children's parents?

Do you think everyone has equal opportunities?

No. So what do you do directly for the children? Isn't it about providing support for their families? Or do you want some sort of system where the children are supported directly? e.g. a child who can't afford to go on a school trip. The school is funded to pay for the trip directly rather than paying the parents? Food in schools for kids that come to school on an empty stomach. I believe some of these things are already happening.

What are your ideas about how the Govt should look after children? And by that I mean versus looking after the whole family?

In my original post, I was actually referring to NZ's children in a slightly metaphorical sense. My main beef with how this country is run, and I'm talking about politicians of all stripes, is that I don't see enough planning for our country's long-term future. Actions seem to be more ad hoc and piecemeal. A good government should act as a steward and plan ahead for its citizens, just like a responsible parent should plan ahead for their children.

Let's take housing for example. It's a problem that's compounding other social problems. What are our politicians plans for addressing this? Put the politicians in a room for a few days, put political allegiances to the side on just one issue, and figure out how we as a country are going to get out of that mess. Let the politicians argue and debate on all the other countless issues. That's all I meant in my original post.

Tehui wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:04 am

booji boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:25 pm

Tehui wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:33 pm

booji boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:36 am Isn't that the job of the children's parents?

Do you think everyone has equal opportunities?

No. So what do you do directly for the children? Isn't it about providing support for their families? Or do you want some sort of system where the children are supported directly? e.g. a child who can't afford to go on a school trip. The school is funded to pay for the trip directly rather than paying the parents? Food in schools for kids that come to school on an empty stomach. I believe some of these things are already happening.

What are your ideas about how the Govt should look after children? And by that I mean versus looking after the whole family?

In my original post, I was actually referring to NZ's children in a slightly metaphorical sense. My main beef with how this country is run, and I'm talking about politicians of all stripes, is that I don't see enough planning for our country's long-term future. Actions seem to be more ad hoc and piecemeal. A good government should act as a steward and plan ahead for its citizens, just like a responsible parent should plan ahead for their children.

Let's take housing for example. It's a problem that's compounding other social problems. What are our politicians plans for addressing this? Put the politicians in a room for a few days, put political allegiances to the side on just one issue, and figure out how we as a country are going to get out of that mess. Let the politicians argue and debate on all the other countless issues. That's all I meant in my original post.

To busy signaling idealogy within the 3 year cycle unfortunately

"Collins dubs Bloomfield a 'one-trick pony' who's 'good at standing up and talking about COVID'"

How to win friends and influence people.......nice!

terangi48 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:40 am "Collins dubs Bloomfield a 'one-trick pony' who's 'good at standing up and talking about COVID'"

How to win friends and influence people.......nice!

That's still one trick more than she has!

Teachers council try and up fees, get voted down by teachers, try and go ahead with it anyway and it get quashed by the high court now Hipkins changes the legislation so they can up the fees anyway.

f**king ridiculous.

Great way to keep attracting people to a profession with a massive shortfall

Bugger - hurry up and get that manapouri power up here please

OUTAGES
Due to insufficient generation to meet New Zealand’s load demands, we’ve been instructed by Transpower (the national grid operator) to reduce the amount of load on our network with immediate effect.
As a result of this there will be rolling power outages across the region. It is unclear how long these outages will be required for, however it is expected that this will not impact individual customers for more than a 4 hour period.
As a precautionary measure, all medically dependent customers are advised to action their back-up plans or go to Waikato Hospital if required.
We thank you in advance for your patience and understanding, and we will keep you updated.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:10 am Bugger - hurry up and get that manapouri power up here please

OUTAGES
Due to insufficient generation to meet New Zealand’s load demands, we’ve been instructed by Transpower (the national grid operator) to reduce the amount of load on our network with immediate effect.
As a result of this there will be rolling power outages across the region. It is unclear how long these outages will be required for, however it is expected that this will not impact individual customers for more than a 4 hour period.
As a precautionary measure, all medically dependent customers are advised to action their back-up plans or go to Waikato Hospital if required.
We thank you in advance for your patience and understanding, and we will keep you updated.

Yep sitting here reading this by candlelight. At least we have rechargeable devices so I still have music and internet feed. I also have gas heating thank fudge because it's a f**king cold night tonight. Feels very 3rd worldish. What about when we all need to charge our EV's to get to work tomorrow?

EDIT: the power has just come back on.

You should be charging your EVs off-peak anyway

Came here to post that, this will be a common thing in future.

Market provides and all that. Why can't the market provide in this instance?

I can tell you I have been paying extortionate amounts for power this winter to keep my family warm and healthy, so what are they doing with that money?

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:53 am

JPNZ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:46 am Came here to post that, this is the start of weeks of rolling outages a mate that works at Huntly station said.

Really?

The world's most impressive rock star economy couldn't see this coming and prepare for it?

On a scale of 1-10 Darks, how stupid is this country?

Yeah edited as may have been some hearsay. He did say there is some work being done on the Interisland cable at the mo and the sky high demand due to the cold wouldn’t be helping. Other north island areas such as Taupo and others had outages too

Not good either way as electricity almost feels like a human right

Tehui wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:04 am

booji boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:25 pm

Tehui wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:33 pm

booji boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:36 am Isn't that the job of the children's parents?

Do you think everyone has equal opportunities?

No. So what do you do directly for the children? Isn't it about providing support for their families? Or do you want some sort of system where the children are supported directly? e.g. a child who can't afford to go on a school trip. The school is funded to pay for the trip directly rather than paying the parents? Food in schools for kids that come to school on an empty stomach. I believe some of these things are already happening.

What are your ideas about how the Govt should look after children? And by that I mean versus looking after the whole family?

In my original post, I was actually referring to NZ's children in a slightly metaphorical sense. My main beef with how this country is run, and I'm talking about politicians of all stripes, is that I don't see enough planning for our country's long-term future. Actions seem to be more ad hoc and piecemeal. A good government should act as a steward and plan ahead for its citizens, just like a responsible parent should plan ahead for their children.

Let's take housing for example. It's a problem that's compounding other social problems. What are our politicians plans for addressing this? Put the politicians in a room for a few days, put political allegiances to the side on just one issue, and figure out how we as a country are going to get out of that mess. Let the politicians argue and debate on all the other countless issues. That's all I meant in my original post.

Gotcha!

My reading comprehension was not the sharpest and I missed the fact it was a Cat Stevens post.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:06 am

JPNZ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:00 am

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:53 am

JPNZ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:46 am Came here to post that, this is the start of weeks of rolling outages a mate that works at Huntly station said.

Really?

The world's most impressive rock star economy couldn't see this coming and prepare for it?

On a scale of 1-10 Darks, how stupid is this country?

Yeah edited as may have been some hearsay. He did say there is some work being done on the Interisland cable at the mo and the sky high demand due to the cold wouldn’t be helping. Other north island areas such as Taupo and others had outages too

Not good either way as electricity almost feels like a human right

The retail power prices here are sky high and we still enjoy a world leading ratio of renewable electricity generation, meaning no fuel costs to speak of.

Why do we pay so much for power and suffer from such shithouse planning?

A good example of the failure to plan long term that Tehui was talking about perhaps?

Most sensible thing I've read on the site for a while...........

"Put the politicians in a room for a few days, put political allegiances to the side on just one issue, and figure out how we as a country are going to get out of that mess."

.......but I'd up the ante and make it the top 10 issues our country faces, and a years planning with no political parties, or lobbyists closer than 100km of the meeting, have any aspiring politicians sign up to a bipartisan agreement, and only elect those that are there to carry out the agreed plan for a 4 year period, then repeat for each election......

Muttonbirds wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:48 am Market provides and all that. Why can't the market provide in this instance?

I can tell you I have been paying extortionate amounts for power this winter to keep my family warm and healthy, so what are they doing with that money?

Shareholders - no-one is investing in power generation anymore apart from the fiddly bits on the edges (wind turbines). But everyone wants a piece of the pie where the money is at.

I wonder how many of those shares are in managed Kiwi saver accounts? And if there is an opportunity to use the clout of Kiwi saver to push for some long term planning and investment?

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:53 am

JPNZ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:46 am Came here to post that, this is the start of weeks of rolling outages a mate that works at Huntly station said.

Really?

The world's most impressive rock star economy couldn't see this coming and prepare for it?

On a scale of 1-10 Darks, how stupid is this country?

Seems the hearsay may have been some way correct, latest this morning from Transpower...

An electricity crisis that resulted in blackouts on Monday evening does not appear to be over.

National grid operator Transpower issued a fresh emergency notice on Tuesday morning and wholesale electricity prices were spiking at an astonishing $110 a kilowatt-hour shortly after 8am – about 300 times the price consumers normally pay for power.

Wholesale prices dropped back to about 60c/kWh shortly before 9am – still indicative of a significant supply problem.

Transpower warned at 7.30am there was insufficient generation and reserve offers to meet demand and provide security for a “contingent event”.

Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:32 am

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:06 am

JPNZ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:00 am

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:53 am

JPNZ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:46 am Came here to post that, this is the start of weeks of rolling outages a mate that works at Huntly station said.

Really?

The world's most impressive rock star economy couldn't see this coming and prepare for it?

On a scale of 1-10 Darks, how stupid is this country?

Yeah edited as may have been some hearsay. He did say there is some work being done on the Interisland cable at the mo and the sky high demand due to the cold wouldn’t be helping. Other north island areas such as Taupo and others had outages too

Not good either way as electricity almost feels like a human right

The retail power prices here are sky high and we still enjoy a world leading ratio of renewable electricity generation, meaning no fuel costs to speak of.

Why do we pay so much for power and suffer from such shithouse planning?

A good example of the failure to plan long term that Tehui was talking about perhaps?

It's not as if this hasn't been discussed many times on this very thread. The NZ electricity market is way out if kilter. There has been inadequate investment in clean generation and the network since the generation and distribution was sold off 'to provide a more efficient market led industry', i.e. we charge over the odds because we can.

Along with climate change, the reliance on Huntly as a backstop, from the country's POV but certainly not the electricity industry's, is criminal. We are only now talking about pumped storage and additional renewables while generators post themselves on the back for investing relative peanuts in a few wind farms.

This while our distribution networks fall into disrepair (it costs money to maintain and add infrastructure, doncha no).

The electricity market in this country is clearly fvcked and has been for a considerable time. I can only think that the reason why politicians and their political party's have shied away from addressing this obvious issue us ideological in the case of National and Act, and stupidity on the part of Labour.

We don't need an investigation by the Commerce Commission, we need action now.

terangi48 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:57 am Most sensible thing I've read on the site for a while...........

"Put the politicians in a room for a few days, put political allegiances to the side on just one issue, and figure out how we as a country are going to get out of that mess."

.......but I'd up the ante and make it the top 10 issues our country faces, and a years planning with no political parties, or lobbyists closer than 100km of the meeting, have any aspiring politicians sign up to a bipartisan agreement, and only elect those that are there to carry out the agreed plan for a 4 year period, then repeat for each election......

Re your top 10 issues. Put a bunch of engineers and scientists from various disciplines in conference for a few months, throw in some planners and project managers, designers and such like, tangata whenua and maybe some, education, social and health provider types. The resulting papers will be the foundation of policy documents that politicians and the public can understand.

Put the politicians in the room for a few days with prepared policy and budget documents. If all the documents are not approved and signed off in the allotted time, flood the room, flush the dunny then bring in the start next batch of try hards.

It's not entirely unsurprising but extremely disappointing all the same that this cvnt is on the Hurricanes board.

"What percentage of Maori are you?”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... i-comments

I hope he doesn't last the day.

As an assume this bloke's attitude is all too prevalent in our society. What is most disappointing is that this prick is obviously highly educated so his is stance us based in ideology rather than ignorance. It also points to a nasty, sneering, attitude amongst some business people, not just towards Maori, but different ethnicities, the less able, the poor, or anyone outside their own perceived social status in general.

There’s a lot of that crap around, unhinged and nasty bastards that feel emboldened by the status they think that they’ve achieved .

A mate of mine was asked the same question , ‘100%’ he said ‘arsehole’.

Anyone else suspect that the selling off nearly half those energy assets by English and Key might have lacked foresight?

Eugenius wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:03 am Anyone else suspect that the selling off nearly half those energy assets by English and Key might have lacked foresight?

Oh, is that what happened.

Something happened mid-late 90s as well.

A more in depth article on what went wrong with the electricity supply and the market in general.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126023 ... is-it-over

I don't trust the Electricity Supply Authority one little bit.

I've also asked someone who should know more than most if the weed blocking the Tokaanu power scheme intake is a valid reason for that generator to be out of action. The answer is no - even if that did happen, it points to lack of maintenance and mismanagement ”no excuses”.

I wonder how much of last night was a half-assed attempt at manipulating the spot price and the retail companies just gave them the bird.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:41 am I wonder how much of last night was a half-assed attempt at manipulating the spot price and the retail companies just gave them the bird.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:10 am Bugger - hurry up and get that manapouri power up here please

OUTAGES
Due to insufficient generation to meet New Zealand’s load demands, we’ve been instructed by Transpower (the national grid operator) to reduce the amount of load on our network with immediate effect.
As a result of this there will be rolling power outages across the region. It is unclear how long these outages will be required for, however it is expected that this will not impact individual customers for more than a 4 hour period.
As a precautionary measure, all medically dependent customers are advised to action their back-up plans or go to Waikato Hospital if required.
We thank you in advance for your patience and understanding, and we will keep you updated.

Bugger off.
That's needed to produce cheap hydrogen to export. Double win, export dollars and can keep gouging electricity consumers. And they do it with a asset built and paid for by.......you.
Feels so good.

Ted. wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:40 am A more in depth article on what went wrong with the electricity supply and the market in general.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126023 ... is-it-over

I don't trust the Electricity Supply Authority one little bit.

I've also asked someone who should know more than most if the weed blocking the Tokaanu power scheme intake is a valid reason for that generator to be out of action. The answer is no - even if that did happen, it points to lack of maintenance and mismanagement ”no excuses”.

I assume that the additional marginal emissions costs would have made it unattractive to fire up the additional coal and gas generation, especially so close to the IPCC report being issued. This is most likely an example of business responding to Government policy and making sounder climate decisions. Those who lost power should be celebrating the emissions prevented, a real life Earth Day, rather than grumbling about a few chilly hours.

It also highlights the foresight of the Government’s push for better home insulation. That will become all the more important as energy management becomes a more critical tool.

We should all be sending Bruce Beetham a thank you card for getting the Clyde High Dam built.

Mr Mike wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:31 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:40 am A more in depth article on what went wrong with the electricity supply and the market in general.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126023 ... is-it-over

I don't trust the Electricity Supply Authority one little bit.

I've also asked someone who should know more than most if the weed blocking the Tokaanu power scheme intake is a valid reason for that generator to be out of action. The answer is no - even if that did happen, it points to lack of maintenance and mismanagement ”no excuses”.

I assume that the additional marginal emissions costs would have made it unattractive to fire up the additional coal and gas generation, especially so close to the IPCC report being issued. This is most likely an example of business responding to Government policy and making sounder climate decisions. Those who lost power should be celebrating the emissions prevented, a real life Earth Day, rather than grumbling about a few chilly hours.

It also highlights the foresight of the Government’s push for better home insulation. That will become all the more important as energy management becomes a more critical tool.

We should all be sending Bruce Beetham a thank you card for getting the Clyde High Dam built.

Spot on Mike.

Ted. wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:40 am A more in depth article on what went wrong with the electricity supply and the market in general.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126023 ... is-it-over

I don't trust the Electricity Supply Authority one little bit.

I've also asked someone who should know more than most if the weed blocking the Tokaanu power scheme intake is a valid reason for that generator to be out of action. The answer is no - even if that did happen, it points to lack of maintenance and mismanagement ”no excuses”.

The 'someone' you asked is spot on. I've been working with hydro electric generation for decades (in BC), and there is no way a bit of weed is going to disrupt the turbines - a lot of weed and solids, yes. So in an emergency situation you would be able to get that turbine online in 30-60 minutes max. And as they said, planned preventative maintenance (that does cost them money the tight pr*cks) is the answer.

How the f*ck does a first world country 'run out of electricity'. Makes me bloody mad, but thankfully my elderly mother was not affected.

Snooze wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:27 pm

Ted. wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:40 am A more in depth article on what went wrong with the electricity supply and the market in general.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126023 ... is-it-over

I don't trust the Electricity Supply Authority one little bit.

I've also asked someone who should know more than most if the weed blocking the Tokaanu power scheme intake is a valid reason for that generator to be out of action. The answer is no - even if that did happen, it points to lack of maintenance and mismanagement ”no excuses”.

The 'someone' you asked is spot on. I've been working with hydro electric generation for decades (in BC), and there is no way a bit of weed is going to disrupt the turbines - a lot of weed and solids, yes. So in an emergency situation you would be able to get that turbine online in 30-60 minutes max. And as they said, planned preventative maintenance (that does cost them money the tight pr*cks) is the answer.

How the f*ck does a first world country 'run out of electricity'. Makes me bloody mad, but thankfully my elderly mother was not affected.

What's worse is that there was communication between the network and the energy suppliers early in the day. If they'd a. warned us that there would be potential outages or b. asked us to reduce usage then perhaps it could have been handled better. Instead at approximately 7.00pm boom! The lights and everything went out right in the middle of cooking dinner on an electric stove. If we'd known there would be a cut between 7.00pm and 8.30pm we could have prepared by having torches, lanterns, candles handy and at the ready. Or alternatively we could have gone around the house and turned off all the non essential electrical appliances and lights to reduce demand.

Feels very 3rd world.

booji, sorry you were caught up in it. on one of the coldest nights too I believe. I was just reading about the lack of communication. Everyone affected should get a free month of power from them.

A reminder of what situations arose in earlier days: