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Posted: **Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:30 am**

Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:17 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:10 am Does anyone notice someone is missing from this thread?
Last active 10 days ago, by the looks.

I concur with these sentiments.

Posted: **Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:49 am**

He/she/they post on The Standard as Chris T if you need your fix.

Posted: **Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:30 pm**

Are you quite mad ?

Posted: **Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:33 pm**

Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:10 am Does anyone notice someone is missing from this thread?

Posted: **Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:14 pm**

Anyone else signed up to Bryce Edwards' "NZ Politics Daily"? Useful e-mail - his team sends you an e-mail with links to various news sites different views on topics on current affairs. For example, today, there's 23 links to different views on the vaccine rollout. Great to get perspectives from across the political spectrum so you can avoid the echo chamber.

If keen, you can sign up here: https://democracyproject.nz/nz-politics-daily/

The link shows you some examples of the sort of thing you'll receive.

Posted: **Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:19 pm**

Gordon Bennett wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:14 pm Anyone else signed up to Bryce Edwards' "NZ Politics Daily"? Useful e-mail - his team sends you an e-mail with links to various news sites different views on topics on current affairs. For example, today, there's 23 links to different views on the vaccine rollout. Great to get perspectives from across the political spectrum so you can avoid the echo chamber.

If keen, you can sign up here: https://democracyproject.nz/nz-politics-daily/

The link shows you some examples of the sort of thing you'll receive.

Thanks for that, signed up to it.

Posted: **Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:19 pm**

An ideological switch that led to our housing crisis.

Journalist Rebecca Macfie has written a feature story for North & South magazine this week on the path to our housing crisis and talks to Alexia Russell about the ideological swing and other contributing factors that spiked the great Kiwi dream of home ownership.

Macfie says we’ve gone from seeing housing as a social good and a human right, to an item of financial speculation.

“We’ve become so used to seeing housing referred to in those terms; reported on it those terms; analysed daily, weekly, by bank economists in those terms that we’ve got used to it. And we’ve forgotten to think of housing as a primal need and a human right.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-de ... ing-crisis

Posted: **Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:43 pm**

guy smiley wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:30 pm Cheers Gordon Bennett...

I signed up. I've been getting Bernard Hickey's daily as well, although he says he'll move to subscriber pays next month and I may not continue it, here's the link

https://thekaka.substack.com/

I find his summaries pretty smart and concise, without any discernible political leaning.

Interesting article I picked up there about the housing situation and the ideological switch that led us to where we are now...

https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-de ... ing-crisis

But the story’s starting point was in 1937 when the Michael Joseph Savage Labour government started a state house building programme. By 1949, in the post-war years, housing policy shifted with a National government towards mass home ownership.

“It’s often referred to as the post-war consensus. What remains a kind of permanent feature through those decades is a very hands-on, very highly involved, state.”

The building of state housing continues to go on to 1990. By then there are 70,000 state houses, which is more than Kāinga Ora owns now. Ordinary working people were able to take out a cheap State Advances loan to buy their own home, and you could capitalise your Family Benefit (now long gone) to build an extension.

Then, says Macfie, the break point.

In the Mother of All Budgets, Finance Minister Ruth Richardson made dramatic moves to get the country out of what she said was technical bankruptcy, and put it on a market footing. Socialism, protectionism and state control were out. Benefits were cut and the Employment Contracts Act introduced, which relied on the market to set workers’ wages. State housing began to be sold off, and rents were raised to market values instead of being set at a quarter of tenants’ incomes. To offset that the Accommodation Supplement was introduced – a handout that now costs more than $2 billion a year, our second highest benefit cost after superannuation.

That change saw private landlords step in, in a property frenzy which was helped by seminars telling home owners how to leverage their asset to buy more, using tax breaks to make a profit.

“There had been warnings that this would not work,” says Macfie. The National Housing Commission and a group within the Prime Minister’s office said it would force up rents and do nothing to increase the housing stock.

“Didn’t matter. It’s a time of peak ideology in some ways,” she says. The independent Housing Commission was abolished in 1988.

Thanks, looks like a good read. Will it help me to prepare my human rights claim to a six bedroom villa on a quarter acre in Herne Bay?

Posted: **Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:56 pm**

I don’t wonder sometimes why and how people think that these stories will generate sympathy.

“New property tax rules mean parents who buy homes for their children and divorcing couples could face big bills when they sell.”

Posted: **Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:56 pm**

Mr Mike wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:43 pmThanks, looks like a good read. Will it help me to prepare my human rights claim to a six bedroom villa on a quarter acre in Herne Bay?

I think it's means tested.

Posted: **Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:39 pm**

Gordon Bennett wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:14 pm Anyone else signed up to Bryce Edwards' "NZ Politics Daily"? Useful e-mail - his team sends you an e-mail with links to various news sites different views on topics on current affairs. For example, today, there's 23 links to different views on the vaccine rollout. Great to get perspectives from across the political spectrum so you can avoid the echo chamber.

If keen, you can sign up here: https://democracyproject.nz/nz-politics-daily/

The link shows you some examples of the sort of thing you'll receive.

Thanks GB, I'll give it a go.

Posted: **Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:51 am**

Tehui wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:39 pm
Gordon Bennett wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:14 pm Anyone else signed up to Bryce Edwards' "NZ Politics Daily"? Useful e-mail - his team sends you an e-mail with links to various news sites different views on topics on current affairs. For example, today, there's 23 links to different views on the vaccine rollout. Great to get perspectives from across the political spectrum so you can avoid the echo chamber.

If keen, you can sign up here: https://democracyproject.nz/nz-politics-daily/

The link shows you some examples of the sort of thing you'll receive.
Thanks GB, I'll give it a go.

Likewise, I've signed up.

Posted: **Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:19 pm**

Former Deputy PM, Michael Cullen has passed. I can't be arsed starting a new thread.

Posted: **Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:43 pm**

Tehui wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:19 pm Former Deputy PM, Michael Cullen has passed. I can't be arsed starting a new thread.

I did but yeah, shoulda just kept it in here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/polit ... ullen-dies

Former Labour deputy prime minister Sir Michael Cullen has died of advanced lung cancer.

Cullen, 76, died overnight in Whakatāne. The former deputy prime minister had announced his cancer diagnosis in March 2020.

Cullen had served as deputy prime minister from 2002 to 2008, and as finance minister from 1999 to 2008, under Helen Clark’s Labour Government.

He was survived by his wife, Anne Collins, their four children and eight grandchildren.

Posted: **Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:51 pm**

My wife worked with Michael Cullen post-politics and said he was one of the best, most well-informed and insightful business leaders she's ever worked with.

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:36 am**

Thank God for KiwiSaver !!!

Last chance saloon.

Thanks Michael RIP.

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am**

Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:42 am**

Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom

Always thought he was an arrogant, divisive prick as a politician

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:45 am**

He didn't suffer fools, did he. And that's not a good trait when dealing with politicians.

He was never going to be a PM for that reason though

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:46 am**

I like Kiwisaver in general, but weren't there some issues with the way it was introduced that led to winners and losers amongst various potential providers that may have led to some of them going bust?

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:55 am**

Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom

Who do you rate as this country's worst? Ruthanasia?

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:01 am**

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Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom

His reign as finance minister coincided almost to the day of the single longest bull market and property boom ever ffs ......all timing

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:07 am**

jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:01 am
Tehui wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:55 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom
Who do you rate as this country's worst? Ruthanasia?
His reign as finance minister coincided almost to the day of the single longest bull market and property boom ever ffs ......all timing

What does your reply have to do with my question to Enz?

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:12 am**

Tehui wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:07 am
jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:01 am
Tehui wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:55 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom
Who do you rate as this country's worst? Ruthanasia?
His reign as finance minister coincided almost to the day of the single longest bull market and property boom ever ffs ......all timing
What does your reply have to do with my question to Enz?

Fixed now

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:36 am**

Tehui wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:55 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom
Who do you rate as this country's worst? Ruthanasia?

Not really. She was a wit kant but she had to be after David Caygill dumped us all in it.

Worst by a mile was Rob Muldoon

Caygill 2nd worst in my lifetime

The one I disagreed with the most was Roger Douglas but again, he needed to do something (just did it too fast for a Labour Govt)

(Interesting that they all followed in succession - Muldoon, Douglas, Caygill)

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:44 am**

jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:42 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom
Always thought he was an arrogant, divisive prick as a politician

Well, he just didn't like self serving, right-wing pricks. Perhaps that is why you are so hurt.

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:57 am**

Muttonbirds wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:44 am
jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:42 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom
Always thought he was an arrogant, divisive prick as a politician
Well, he just didn't like self serving, right-wing pricks. Perhaps that is why you are so hurt.

Maybe, as I stated earlier any angry pro unionists could have pitched a winner when your tenure almost matched to a day the greatest period of economic growth ever

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:59 am**

Eugenius wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:36 am Thank God for KiwiSaver !!!

Last chance saloon.

Thanks Michael RIP.

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:09 am**

Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom

And he coined the term 'rich prick' for all time too.

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:16 am**

booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:09 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom
And he coined the term 'rich prick' for all time too.

While Uncle Helen sold off unprecedented levels of property to overseas investors....limp lefties are so easily blinkered....

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:38 am**

jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:16 am
booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:09 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom
And he coined the term 'rich prick' for all time too.
While Uncle Helen sold off unprecedented levels of property to overseas investors....limp lefties are so easily blinkered....

'Uncle Helen'

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:47 am**

booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:38 am
jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:16 am
booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:09 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom
And he coined the term 'rich prick' for all time too.
While Uncle Helen sold off unprecedented levels of property to overseas investors....limp lefties are so easily blinkered....
'Uncle Helen'

Both her and that twice failed MP wannabe Heather Sumpson still hold sway with this terrible bunch .

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:53 am**

Tehui wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:55 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom
Who do you rate as this country's worst? Ruthanasia?

She was my first.
My first vote, Selwyn electorate 1984. Total naivete. Not voted National or Labour since but still hate myself for ticking her name as my first.

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:55 am**

jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:47 am
booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:38 am
jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:16 am
booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:09 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 am Kiwisaver - thumbs up

WFF - thumbs down

But still by far the best MoF we have ever had

#NotbadforaPom
And he coined the term 'rich prick' for all time too.
While Uncle Helen sold off unprecedented levels of property to overseas investors....limp lefties are so easily blinkered....
'Uncle Helen'
Both her and that twice failed MP wannabe Heather Sumpson still hold sway with this terrible bunch .

Not sure if you misinterpreted my 'rich prick' comment above but you are preaching to the converted. I'm no fan of Labour (this lot or Aunty Helen's).

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:58 am**

booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:55 am
jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:47 am
booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:38 am
jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:16 am
booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:09 am

And he coined the term 'rich prick' for all time too.
While Uncle Helen sold off unprecedented levels of property to overseas investors....limp lefties are so easily blinkered....
'Uncle Helen'
Both her and that twice failed MP wannabe Heather Sumpson still hold sway with this terrible bunch .
Not sure if you misinterpreted my 'rich prick' comment above but you are preaching to the converted. I'm no fan of Labour (this lot or Aunty Helen's).

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:01 am**

booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:55 am
jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:47 am
booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:38 am
jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:16 am
booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:09 am

And he coined the term 'rich prick' for all time too.
While Uncle Helen sold off unprecedented levels of property to overseas investors....limp lefties are so easily blinkered....
'Uncle Helen'
Both her and that twice failed MP wannabe Heather Sumpson still hold sway with this terrible bunch .
Not sure if you misinterpreted my 'rich prick' comment above but you are preaching to the converted. I'm no fan of Labour (this lot or Aunty Helen's).

Jono45 seems like he was tagged in by Dark to be his replacement and to provide utu to Muttonbirds.

* the balance meaning of utu, not revenge.

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:58 am**

UncleFB wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:01 am]
Jono45 seems like he was tagged in by Dark to be his replacement and to provide utu to Muttonbirds.

* the balance meaning of utu, not revenge.

Us tighty righties always have each others back.

* and nothing can balance Muttontwat.

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:09 am**

booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:58 am
UncleFB wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:01 am]
Jono45 seems like he was tagged in by Dark to be his replacement and to provide utu to Muttonbirds.

* the balance meaning of utu, not revenge.
Us tighty righties always have each others back.

* and nothing can balance Muttontwat.

Whys he like that....what happened to him ?

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:18 am**

jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:09 am
booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:58 am
UncleFB wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:01 am]
Jono45 seems like he was tagged in by Dark to be his replacement and to provide utu to Muttonbirds.

* the balance meaning of utu, not revenge.
Us tighty righties always have each others back.

* and nothing can balance Muttontwat.
Whys he like that....what happened to him ?

I have a theory that right wing Aussie shagged his partner, and he’s never forgiven either…the right or the Aussies, I may be wrong, that’s why it’s a theory

Posted: **Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:27 am**

jambanja wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:18 am
jono45 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:09 am
booji boy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:58 am
UncleFB wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:01 am]
Jono45 seems like he was tagged in by Dark to be his replacement and to provide utu to Muttonbirds.

* the balance meaning of utu, not revenge.
Us tighty righties always have each others back.

* and nothing can balance Muttontwat.
Whys he like that....what happened to him ?
I have a theory that right wing Aussie shagged his partner, and he’s never forgiven either…the right or the Aussies, I may be wrong, that’s why it’s a theory

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