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Bloomberg crunched the numbers to determine the best places to be in the coronavirus era: where has the virus been handled most effectively with the least amount of disruption to business and society?
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https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covi ... e-ranking/

If business leaders are saying it, it must be true.
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What about Antarctica? Not on the list.
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NZ have done well but it helps being not close to anywhere.
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iarmhiman wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:33 pm NZ have done well but it helps being not close to anywhere.
The list was assembled by the NZ deep state.

Wait till SCOTUS hears about this.
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shanky wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:27 pm What about Antarctica? Not on the list.
We have a base there so it's covered. :thumbup:

And it has an even bigger moat than NZ proper.
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... erm, UK and Ireland obviously suck.

Great work by Trump, making America great again. United States in the top 20!

What a wonderful world.
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China 8th :lol: :lol: :lol:
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There's a few funny things with that chart. For example, why does China get a 5 for vaccine availability but Hong Kong gets a 1? Do they think China won't share? Take that democracy protesters.
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Fat Old Git wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:43 pm
shanky wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:27 pm What about Antarctica? Not on the list.
We have a base there so it's covered. :thumbup:

And it has an even bigger moat than NZ proper.
Yeah?

Well our base is bigger than your base. And we have a ship. A red one.
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shanky wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:32 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:43 pm
shanky wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:27 pm What about Antarctica? Not on the list.
We have a base there so it's covered. :thumbup:

And it has an even bigger moat than NZ proper.
Yeah?

Well our base is bigger than your base. And we have a ship. A red one.
Just watch it, that's all.

https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/key-e ... el-project
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While you’re planning and talking, we’re already on site, cutting your grass. :smug:

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Fake ship
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The ice is fake, granted.
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grievous wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:23 am China 8th :lol: :lol: :lol:
They have eliminated the virus tbf and are mostly back to normal internally with the economy supposedly growing again. Not sure how Taiwan isn't number one on that list though, pretty much kept the virus out without ever having a true lockdown
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ID2 wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:51 am
grievous wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:23 am China 8th :lol: :lol: :lol:
They have eliminated the virus tbf and are mostly back to normal internally with the economy supposedly growing again. Not sure how Taiwan isn't number one on that list though, pretty much kept the virus out without ever having a true lockdown
Of course they have...as far as we are told
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It is humorous that we are in the middle of no where with the boarders blocked, with piss all people, and some how people like Muttonbirds think it is well planned by the govt.

Did they plan everyone breaking out of quarantine?
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Dark wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:52 am It is humorous that we are in the middle of no where with the boarders blocked, with piss all people, and some how people like Muttonbirds think it is well planned by the govt.

Did they plan everyone breaking out of quarantine?
Unfortunately for you it gets worse.

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Dark wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:52 am It is humorous that we are in the middle of no where with the boarders blocked, with piss all people, and some how people like Muttonbirds think it is well planned by the govt.

Did they plan everyone breaking out of quarantine?
10 out of what, 60,000? Great effort and planning
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Enzedder wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:21 am
Dark wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:52 am It is humorous that we are in the middle of no where with the boarders blocked, with piss all people, and some how people like Muttonbirds think it is well planned by the govt.

Did they plan everyone breaking out of quarantine?
10 out of what, 60,000? Great effort and planning
It is astounding that Dark seems genuinely aware of the actions taken by the government, understandable because they do not support his rabid anti-Ardern agenda.
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Anti Ardern agenda?

No.

Anti shite govt and their ministers agenda

She just happens to be the figure head atm
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Muttonbirds wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:13 am
Dark wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:52 am It is humorous that we are in the middle of no where with the boarders blocked, with piss all people, and some how people like Muttonbirds think it is well planned by the govt.

Did they plan everyone breaking out of quarantine?
Unfortunately for you it gets worse.

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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern nominated for Time's Person of the Year
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... -year.html
Richard Nixon won it twice in a row. Can Ardern match his achievement and join him in the top echelon of celestial human souls?
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Whatever wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:11 am There's a few funny things with that chart. For example, why does China get a 5 for vaccine availability but Hong Kong gets a 1? Do they think China won't share? Take that democracy protesters.
Protesters will get a "live" vaccine. :nod:

I'm querying how the Indos are beating straya's vaccine score. Think we're 5th on order numbers per person after Canada, Japan, the UK, and US.
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I feel as though this is a question that can only be answered in 10 years time. Like you need to let it rip through your population at some point.

Hope I'm wrong though, I wanna visit my family in straya!
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Jerome Manning wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:58 am I feel as though this is a question that can only be answered in 10 years time. Like you need to let it rip through your population at some point.

Hope I'm wrong though, I wanna visit my family in straya!
Pretty much

But it is humorous watching some people celebrate our potential isolation for years, while everyone one else gets on with things.
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Dark wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:21 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:58 am I feel as though this is a question that can only be answered in 10 years time. Like you need to let it rip through your population at some point.

Hope I'm wrong though, I wanna visit my family in straya!
Pretty much

But it is humorous watching some people celebrate our potential isolation for years, while everyone one else gets on with things.
Umm. Read the quote at the top again:
Bloomberg crunched the numbers to determine the best places to be in the coronavirus era: where has the virus been handled most effectively with the least amount of disruption to business and society?
I don't know if you have noticed (you probably haven't) but we are getting on with things. Everyone else is lurching between crisis and uncertainty.
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I have no problem with your opinion Muttonbirds.

You want isolation. To be insular and Nationalistic. To not care about other countries still trading here.

All good.

Trump like. In fact it is something he might say, but all good.

I just disagree
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I went to a beer festival today. Sat in the sun with friends. No masks. No social distancing or restrictions. Most of the people I know outside of NZ can only dream of such things at the moment.
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New Zealand did very well.

Where does Taiwan rate on the scoreboard?
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grievous wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:23 am China 8th :lol: :lol: :lol:
It would appear starting the Pandemic and allowing to spread globally with your practices and government denial of how big a problem it is, is a good way of handling it.
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deadduck wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:42 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:13 am
Dark wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:52 am It is humorous that we are in the middle of no where with the boarders blocked, with piss all people, and some how people like Muttonbirds think it is well planned by the govt.

Did they plan everyone breaking out of quarantine?
Unfortunately for you it gets worse.

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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... -year.html
Richard Nixon won it twice in a row. Can Ardern match his achievement and join him in the top echelon of celestial human souls?
Goodwin’s Law should work here.
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Fat Old Git wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:58 am I went to a beer festival today. Sat in the sun with friends. No masks. No social distancing or restrictions. Most of the people I know outside of NZ can only dream of such things at the moment.
No. Here in the US they can do that sort of thing. They might die or kill someone else. Because freedom.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:20 pm
Bloomberg crunched the numbers to determine the best places to be in the coronavirus era: where has the virus been handled most effectively with the least amount of disruption to business and society?
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https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covi ... e-ranking/

If business leaders are saying it, it must be true.
How the fúck is Norway ahead of China, when it is behind on every single metric.
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kiap wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:50 am
Whatever wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:11 am There's a few funny things with that chart. For example, why does China get a 5 for vaccine availability but Hong Kong gets a 1? Do they think China won't share? Take that democracy protesters.
Protesters will get a "live" vaccine. :nod:

I'm querying how the Indos are beating straya's vaccine score. Think we're 5th on order numbers per person after Canada, Japan, the UK, and US.
Just heard from my brother that Australia is going to be producing the Oxford Astra-Zenica vaccine, is that so?

My plan has changed from trying to leave the US for Australasia, then points further, to staying here undercover until I can get a vaccine (I'm a bit old) because the US will probably be the first to start vaccinations. That will be late Dec for high-risk, April-May for everyone else. I would think the order of vaccine availability would be US first, then China, UK-Europe, perhaps Australia (?), anyone who can afford to buy vaccine, then the poorer countries as usual.

Of course the problem in the US is currently only about 50% of people will actually consent to be vaccinated. Nuts. Latest idea from one pollie is to pay people about $1500 to get vaccinated; see if their, err, 'ideals' are greater than a little financial gain.
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And if there is an economic element to it, China, inc. seems to be chugging along pretty well.
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Whatever wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:23 pm
kiap wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:50 am
Whatever wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:11 am There's a few funny things with that chart. For example, why does China get a 5 for vaccine availability but Hong Kong gets a 1? Do they think China won't share? Take that democracy protesters.
Protesters will get a "live" vaccine. :nod:

I'm querying how the Indos are beating straya's vaccine score. Think we're 5th on order numbers per person after Canada, Japan, the UK, and US.
Just heard from my brother that Australia is going to be producing the Oxford Astra-Zenica vaccine, is that so?

My plan has changed from trying to leave the US for Australasia, then points further, to staying here undercover until I can get a vaccine (I'm a bit old) because the US will probably be the first to start vaccinations. That will be late Dec for high-risk, April-May for everyone else. I would think the order of vaccine availability would be US first, then China, UK-Europe, perhaps Australia (?), anyone who can afford to buy vaccine, then the poorer countries as usual.

Of course the problem in the US is currently only about 50% of people will actually consent to be vaccinated. Nuts. Latest idea from one pollie is to pay people about $1500 to get vaccinated; see if their, err, 'ideals' are greater than a little financial gain.
Problem with the AZ vaccine is that it is only about 70% effective. Probably enough such that if the whole country is vaccinated, R drops below 1 so you get herd immunity. But you still have a 1 in 3 chance of catching it if some anti-vaxer with Covid coughs on you. I saw somewhere that 50% of French don’t intend on getting vaccinated when it is available, just as bad as the US.
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FairWeather_Aussie wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:37 pm
Whatever wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:23 pm
kiap wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:50 am
Whatever wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:11 am There's a few funny things with that chart. For example, why does China get a 5 for vaccine availability but Hong Kong gets a 1? Do they think China won't share? Take that democracy protesters.
Protesters will get a "live" vaccine. :nod:

I'm querying how the Indos are beating straya's vaccine score. Think we're 5th on order numbers per person after Canada, Japan, the UK, and US.
Just heard from my brother that Australia is going to be producing the Oxford Astra-Zenica vaccine, is that so?

My plan has changed from trying to leave the US for Australasia, then points further, to staying here undercover until I can get a vaccine (I'm a bit old) because the US will probably be the first to start vaccinations. That will be late Dec for high-risk, April-May for everyone else. I would think the order of vaccine availability would be US first, then China, UK-Europe, perhaps Australia (?), anyone who can afford to buy vaccine, then the poorer countries as usual.

Of course the problem in the US is currently only about 50% of people will actually consent to be vaccinated. Nuts. Latest idea from one pollie is to pay people about $1500 to get vaccinated; see if their, err, 'ideals' are greater than a little financial gain.
Problem with the AZ vaccine is that it is only about 70% effective. Probably enough such that if the whole country is vaccinated, R drops below 1 so you get herd immunity. But you still have a 1 in 3 chance of catching it if some anti-vaxer with Covid coughs on you. I saw somewhere that 50% of French don’t intend on getting vaccinated when it is available, just as bad as the US.
Yeah, that's just plain dumb, no other word for it. In the US we'll probably be getting the Pfizer else Moderna vaccines which are supposed to be 95% effective. I think many airlines will follow Qantas's lead and insist passengers prove they've been vaccinated before boarding. That will mean those who refuse to get vaccinated won't be able to go anywhere and they'll just infect themselves, and it will mean there won't be such a long queue to get vaccinated. I'm fine with that; their decision, their problem, I've just had enough of these people who won't consider others.
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Whatever wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:23 pm
kiap wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:50 am I'm querying how the Indos are beating straya's vaccine score. Think we're 5th on order numbers per person after Canada, Japan, the UK, and US.
Just heard from my brother that Australia is going to be producing the Oxford Astra-Zenica vaccine, is that so?
Ah, it seems he's right - I didn't know it but they apparently started local AZ production several weeks ago (potentially 30 m doses).

I knew they also signed up for another potential 50 m via Novavax and Pfizer/BioNTech.

Then they will likely also make the locally researched UQ vaccine (undergoing testing now but not yet stage three).
Whatever wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:23 pm My plan has changed from trying to leave the US for Australasia, then points further, to staying here undercover until I can get a vaccine (I'm a bit old) because the US will probably be the first to start vaccinations. That will be late Dec for high-risk, April-May for everyone else. I would think the order of vaccine availability would be US first, then China, UK-Europe, perhaps Australia (?), anyone who can afford to buy vaccine, then the poorer countries as usual.

Of course the problem in the US is currently only about 50% of people will actually consent to be vaccinated. Nuts. Latest idea from one pollie is to pay people about $1500 to get vaccinated; see if their, err, 'ideals' are greater than a little financial gain.
Seems like a fair plan. I'd say the likes of US/UK are among those who need it first as well.

+ certainly will be interesting how the politics of the rollouts play out...
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I am surprised Bloomberg were that bothered about the Argie result but it was pretty awesome
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kiap wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:47 pm
Whatever wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:23 pm ....

My plan has changed from trying to leave the US for Australasia, then points further, to staying here undercover until I can get a vaccine (I'm a bit old) because the US will probably be the first to start vaccinations. That will be late Dec for high-risk, April-May for everyone else. I would think the order of vaccine availability would be US first, then China, UK-Europe, perhaps Australia (?), anyone who can afford to buy vaccine, then the poorer countries as usual.

Of course the problem in the US is currently only about 50% of people will actually consent to be vaccinated. Nuts. Latest idea from one pollie is to pay people about $1500 to get vaccinated; see if their, err, 'ideals' are greater than a little financial gain.
Seems like a fair plan. I'd say the likes of US/UK are among those who need it first as well.

+ certainly will be interesting how the politics of the rollouts play out...
I can tell you the answer to that already. The CDC meets on Monday to decide exactly what order people will be vaccinated - obviously high-risk and first-responders first, others later but more detail.

I think the vaccine rollouts will go smoothly through the transition because the ball is already rolling and Trump has already claimed victory for the vaccine so he won't want to lose the one win he has even if he could intervene now.

About 50% of Americans will welcome it as the great elixir, what they have been waiting for.

The other 50% will regard it as the great abomination, and resist and protest any attempt to have them vaccinated. They will assert their right to freedom, allege a great conspiracy and claim the whole thing was a hoax anyhow. But finally we won't have to care about them anymore, and neither will the rest of the world because they won't be allowed to fly anywhere.

There's no middle ground here; there never is.
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I think in the US, when the vaccines become universally available, which won’t be until the second half of 2021, vaccine usage rates will be very regional. A lot can change in the next 6-9 months, but I’d expect that counties and states that are more democratic will initially mandate vaccines, and effectively wipe out Covid. Given the levels of Covid already in the US, and how bad it will be in 6-9 months, I suspect a lot of the “it’s a Chinese hoax, anti-vax” regions in the US will then have to go into panic mode, and admit they may have been mislead by those “darn up-them-selves scientists and maybe we should all vax up also” before we’re all dead.
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