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Whatever · Post by **Whatever** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:20 pm

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:30 pm
Whatever wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:38 am The Footballs done, right on schedule
I thought their QB Heinicke played a really good game for himself considering it was his first career start.

I feel Seattle's and Pittsburgh's losses over the weekend were really damning in a sense of "where do we go from here?" Seattle are wasting most of Russell Wilson's career because they cannot find effective offensive linemen to protect him year after year, and him being a scrambling QB and getting older, the end is near. Pittsburgh meanwhile, something has to change. Tomlin, Roethlisberger, something. Normally it's the coach but Rooney has always given his coaches a long leash. Roethlisberger is in his twilight.

I thought Heinicke did as well as he could, but they obviously would have wanted a fit Smith. Washington does seem to have bad luck with QBs.

And with so many good athletes about, Roethlisberger has always stood out for not being one. When you look at him and then look at the shape Brady is in, it does seem surprising he is still going.

paddyor · Post by **paddyor** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:03 pm

Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:17 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:30 pm
Whatever wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:38 am The Footballs done, right on schedule
I thought their QB Heinicke played a really good game for himself considering it was his first career start.

I feel Seattle's and Pittsburgh's losses over the weekend were really damning in a sense of "where do we go from here?" Seattle are wasting most of Russell Wilson's career because they cannot find effective offensive linemen to protect him year after year, and him being a scrambling QB and getting older, the end is near. Pittsburgh meanwhile, something has to change. Tomlin, Roethlisberger, something. Normally it's the coach but Rooney has always given his coaches a long leash. Roethlisberger is in his twilight.
Pittsburgh to make a trade for Darnold or Wentz and draft a quality running back would go a long way to refreshing things.

Apparently one of the Colts coaches is Wentz old college coach and there was a rumour of Wentz heading off next season with Hurts finishing "strongly". Pederson is gone though

Yer Man · Post by **Yer Man** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:54 pm

paddyor wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:03 pm Apparently one of the Colts coaches is Wentz old college coach and there was a rumour of Wentz heading off next season with Hurts finishing "strongly". Pederson is gone though

Um...

The Colts Head Coach is Frank Reich.

His previous job was... Offensive Co-ordinator at Philadelphia.
He coached Wentz to the best form of his career - and was able to win a Superbowl with Nick Foles.
Wentz has been sliding backwards since Reich left.

Plenty of people have been suggesting it's just the sort of re-start that Wentz needs.
He'd need to give a bit in order to facilitate a trade, i.e. give up say $20M, otherwise the Eagles are screwed by the huge Dead Cap hit.

fonzeee · Post by **fonzeee** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:31 pm

Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:54 pm
paddyor wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:03 pm Apparently one of the Colts coaches is Wentz old college coach and there was a rumour of Wentz heading off next season with Hurts finishing "strongly". Pederson is gone though
Um...

The Colts Head Coach is Frank Reich.

His previous job was... Offensive Co-ordinator at Philadelphia.
He coached Wentz to the best form of his career - and was able to win a Superbowl with Nick Foles.
Wentz has been sliding backwards since Reich left.

Plenty of people have been suggesting it's just the sort of re-start that Wentz needs.
He'd need to give a bit in order to facilitate a trade, i.e. give up say $20M, otherwise the Eagles are screwed by the huge Dead Cap hit.

They could probably do worse than Wentz. I've never been the biggest fan of his but I really rate this Colts team, he might be enough to get them over the line.

Bwen · Post by **Bwen** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:01 pm

Eagles O Line is shite. 65 sacks this season. ( Next highest is 50) Wentz took 50 of them in the 12ish games he played. That's more than Joe burrows and look how that ended up playing out. If eagles don't get him an O Line then he might as well get a trade for less money.

Flyin Ryan · Post by **Flyin Ryan** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:45 am

No emotional sympathy in this profession.

On Monday, the Philadelphia Eagles reportedly decided to let head coach Doug Pederson go after five years with the franchise. Pederson finishes his time in Philadelphia with a 42-37-1 record and a victory in Super Bowl LII, but the team's collapse in 2020 ended up being too much for him to overcome. He is the first head coach to be fired within three years of winning a Super Bowl since Don McCafferty in 1972.

paddyor · Post by **paddyor** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:06 pm

Apparently part of the problem the GM. We've drafted one pro bowler since early 2010s(Wentz) and that's it.

fonzeee · Post by **fonzeee** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:46 pm

Bwen wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:01 pm Eagles O Line is shite. 65 sacks this season. ( Next highest is 50) Wentz took 50 of them in the 12ish games he played. That's more than Joe burrows and look how that ended up playing out. If eagles don't get him an O Line then he might as well get a trade for less money.

That's pretty shocking. Especially since they have the other Kelce at center, who like his brother is multiple time First Team All Pro.

fonzeee · Post by **fonzeee** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:12 am

Bills
Chiefs
Bucs
Packers

Book it

paddyor · Post by **paddyor** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:30 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:46 pm
Bwen wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:01 pm Eagles O Line is shite. 65 sacks this season. ( Next highest is 50) Wentz took 50 of them in the 12ish games he played. That's more than Joe burrows and look how that ended up playing out. If eagles don't get him an O Line then he might as well get a trade for less money.
That's pretty shocking. Especially since they have the other Kelce at center, who like his brother is multiple time First Team All Pro.

He's been the only one of the superbowl OL left. THe rest either moved on or injured.

vintage_cox · Post by **vintage_cox** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:12 am

DeShaun Watson just started following Sean Payton andIknowit'ssillytoreadtoomuchnitothatsortofthingbutjustimaginehowgreatthatwouldbe!!!!!!

Demilich · Post by **Demilich** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:40 am

vintage_cox wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:12 am DeShaun Watson just started following Sean Payton andIknowit'ssillytoreadtoomuchnitothatsortofthingbutjustimaginehowgreatthatwouldbe!!!!!!

Sean Payton new coach of the Texans?

fonzeee · Post by **fonzeee** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:03 am

vintage_cox wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:12 am DeShaun Watson just started following Sean Payton andIknowit'ssillytoreadtoomuchnitothatsortofthingbutjustimaginehowgreatthatwouldbe!!!!!!

Bit overrated for me but no doubt he would absolutely thrive in the Saints' system.

LandOTurk · Post by **LandOTurk** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:25 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:12 am Bills
Chiefs
Bucs
Packers

Book it

Packers
Bucs
Ravens
Chiefs

Zico · Post by **Zico** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:29 am

The Socialist system of NFL is hard to follow..

Cleveland Browns should have the best young players for a long time, so with a decent coach do what the Patriots have done.

Simples

Demilich · Post by **Demilich** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:06 am

I enjoyed last week, as every game went the way I wanted it to (Ravens winning and Steelers getting stuffed were the two I was most interested in

).

My preferred teams to win this week are (not a prediction or who actually will win):

Ravens
Browns
Packers
Buccs

To be honest, I can see a storyline I like in pretty much every team remaining though.

Ravens - my second team
Browns - years of misery
Bills - years of misery
Packers - Rogers - HOF career worthy of a second ring
Saints - Brees - HOF career worthy of a second ring
Buccs - too many anti-Brady moaners about, so winning a ring with out Belichek would be enjoyable to watch - plus a HC ring for Arians
Chiefs - I can't begrudge Mahomes going back-to-back (wouldn't put it past them to get the first 3-peat either)
Rams - OK, not that much going on here - I just quite like the Rams and Aaron Donald

vintage_cox · Post by **vintage_cox** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:48 am

Demilich wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:40 am
vintage_cox wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:12 am DeShaun Watson just started following Sean Payton andIknowit'ssillytoreadtoomuchnitothatsortofthingbutjustimaginehowgreatthatwouldbe!!!!!!
Sean Payton new coach of the Texans?

I think he's just a troll

I was reading how he started following a bunch of Chicago people right after he was linked to the Bears. He would have done this in response to Tyrann Mathieu saying the Saints should trade for him the other day

Yer Man · Post by **Yer Man** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:21 am

vintage_cox wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:48 am
Demilich wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:40 am
vintage_cox wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:12 am DeShaun Watson just started following Sean Payton andIknowit'ssillytoreadtoomuchnitothatsortofthingbutjustimaginehowgreatthatwouldbe!!!!!!
Sean Payton new coach of the Texans?
I think he's just a troll

I was reading how he started following a bunch of Chicago people right after he was linked to the Bears. He would have done this in response to Tyrann Mathieu saying the Saints should trade for him the other day

Saints is one of the teams he definitely won't be going to.

They are miles over the cap next season so have to make major roster cuts.
(And by "way over" I mean $99M over at this moment in time)

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

They're due to pay Drew Brees $36M, or only $22M if they cut him.
(Not sure how it works out if Brees retires, but it cost the Cowboys $20M when Tony Romo retired a few years ago whilst under contract).
Plus Taysom Hill at $16M.

And Watson's contract, whilst a mere $15.9M in 2021, then leaps to over $40M.

johnstrac · Post by **johnstrac** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:03 pm

I want Packers, Saints, Bills and Chiefs.
I suspect the Bucs and Ravens (really dislike them) will upset that however.

vintage_cox · Post by **vintage_cox** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:23 pm

Mickey Loomis always finds a way

(But no one seriously thinks its a possibility)

They've almost drafted too well in recent years and now the roster is loaded and ready to win that they can't blow it up and rebuild

Kick the can down the road some more, the cap will drop this year but bank on it shooting back up in 22 with some sweet sweet legalised gambling money.

I read something recently where Loomis was interviewed and basically said all the cap doom and gloom is overblown and they always manage sort it out. Convert 50 mil of salary into some bonuses and make one or two tough decisions. Easy

Whatever · Post by **Whatever** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:03 am

johnstrac wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:03 pm I want Packers, Saints, Bills and Chiefs.
I suspect the Bucs and Ravens (really dislike them) will upset that however.

Why so?

At least this game is a tight one, Packers was a blow out.

Whatever · Post by **Whatever** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:07 am

Well that's the 2 teams from the DMV gone. Ignominious end for Jackson.

Looking forward to Brady v Brees tomorrow.

Newsome · Post by **Newsome** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:23 am

Jackson looks like he doesn't have the temperament to succeed in the playoff. He's always screaming and shouting. Not a leader.

LandOTurk · Post by **LandOTurk** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:29 am

In order who I would like to win the SB:

Bills - because of 4 SB losses
Browns - because they are perennially sh1t
Bucs - be funny if Brady won again
Chiefs - I like Mahomes
Saints - one last hoorah for Brees
Packers - don't like Aaron Rodgers (tosser by all accounts)

fonzeee · Post by **fonzeee** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:24 am

LandOTurk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:29 am In order who I would like to win the SB:

Bills - because of 4 SB losses
Browns - because they are perennially sh1t
Bucs - be funny if Brady won again
Chiefs - I like Mahomes
Saints - one last hoorah for Brees
Packers - don't like Aaron Rodgers (tosser by all accounts)

Whose account, Danica Patrick's?

Demilich · Post by **Demilich** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:05 am

I think my preference would be a Bills vs Buccs Superbowl, from what is left.

Though having Tom Brady finally leave their division, only to potentially beat them in the Superbowl the very next year might possibly be too much for Bills fans to handle.

32-3 record against the Bills...

Leinsterman · Post by **Leinsterman** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:07 pm

That was some intercept TD for the Bills last night

Don't think they'll beat the Chiefs assuming the Chiefs beat the Browns later but you never know.

fonzeee · Post by **fonzeee** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:26 pm

Nice Browns moment there with the fumble into the endzone.

fonzeee · Post by **fonzeee** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:28 pm

Kelce runs better routes than most receivers -- put a Pro Bowl cornerback on his ass for that TD. The fact he's also an elite blocking TE makes him one of the best players in the league, really.

Bwen · Post by **Bwen** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:36 pm

fonzeee wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:26 pm Nice Browns moment there with the fumble into the endzone.

Blatant use of helmet from Sorenson for me. No mention on comms though. Being brought up on half time talk now.

fonzeee wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:28 pm Kelce runs better routes than most receivers -- put a Pro Bowl cornerback on his ass for that TD. The fact he's also an elite blocking TE makes him one of the best players in the league, really.

His agility for a big man is insane. With him and Hill, they should walk the Bills.

fonzeee · Post by **fonzeee** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:43 pm

I don't know the particulars of the rule, but I'd like to think there's some accounting for the fact that the ballcarrier had laid out and in doing so had placed his helmet in an extremely low position.

Whatever · Post by **Whatever** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:46 pm

fonzeee wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:43 pm I don't know the particulars of the rule, but I'd like to think there's some accounting for the fact that the ballcarrier had laid out and in doing so had placed his helmet in an extremely low position.

Flippin' dangerous, on the necks for both the flying headbutter and headbuttee.

paddyor · Post by **paddyor** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:31 pm

Mahomes out of the game with about 11 minutes to go.

Browns just came back with a TD 16-22 PAT to come.

fonzeee · Post by **fonzeee** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:37 pm

paddyor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:31 pm Mahomes out of the game with about 11 minutes to go.

Browns just came back with a TD 16-22 PAT to come.

This is why you don't run with your f**king quarterback. Andy Reid really should have known better.

The softening of the game has made it a good deal less risky, but this is why nobody dared let QBs carry the ball in designed runs until a few years ago. Evidently the danger is still there.

paddyor · Post by **paddyor** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:51 pm

https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/13509 ... 44389?s=20

Flyin Ryan · Post by **Flyin Ryan** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:53 pm

4th and 9, yeah. Punting with 4 minutes to go...better make them go 3 and out.

iarmhiman · Post by **iarmhiman** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:53 pm

Great game this

Flyin Ryan · Post by **Flyin Ryan** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:55 pm

paddyor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:31 pm Mahomes out of the game with about 11 minutes to go.

Browns just came back with a TD 16-22 PAT to come.

If they win, 7 day turnaround to next week. I imagine he'll play just because Mahomes will lie about it and it's in everyone's interest including the NFL's.

fonzeee · Post by **fonzeee** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:57 pm

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:55 pm
paddyor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:31 pm Mahomes out of the game with about 11 minutes to go.

Browns just came back with a TD 16-22 PAT to come.
If they win, 7 day turnaround to next week. I imagine he'll play just because Mahomes will lie about it and it's in everyone's interest including the NFL's.

How tf did he even get concussed? Hardly any contact to the head at all from what i saw.

Flyin Ryan · Post by **Flyin Ryan** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:58 pm

fonzeee wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:57 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:55 pm
paddyor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:31 pm Mahomes out of the game with about 11 minutes to go.

Browns just came back with a TD 16-22 PAT to come.
If they win, 7 day turnaround to next week. I imagine he'll play just because Mahomes will lie about it and it's in everyone's interest including the NFL's.
How tf did he even get concussed? Hardly any contact to the head at all from what i saw.

I didn't see it except in replay. Turned the game on not knowing anything and saw Henne at QB for the Chiefs.