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Hellraiser wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Nolanator wrote:POM now has a central contract and SOB doesn't. f**king shenanigans.
Well in fairness,the Munster boys are loyal,not like the Leinster lads.
SOB is so f**king loyal that he signed as long a contract as he could before he'd broken into the Irish team. Another bloody year to go on it.

Surely the IRFU and players can renegotiate the terms of their contract mid-contract if both parties are up for it?

Why would the IRFU do that?
Because if they didn't they might end up with said player leaving at the end of his contract....

I thought you weren't one of the people who saw the players as simply resources as opposed to real people. Others have had contracts upgraded after they were signed. I think Henderson started the season on a development contract.
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CM11 wrote:
Hellraiser wrote:Why would the IRFU do that?
Because if they didn't they might end up with said player leaving at the end of his contract....

I thought you weren't one of the people who saw the players as simply resources as opposed to real people. Others have had contracts upgraded after they were signed. I think Henderson started the season on a development contract.
Pretty sure that HR was asking a rhetorical question to highlight the thinking of the IRFU.
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Considering the last weeks shennanigans,the more Irish players on central contracts the better in my book. Regardless to where they are from,time to protect from within unlike the Welsh.
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Despot wrote:
binge90 wrote:POM getting a central contract. :lol:

And people wonder why I talk about IRFU incompetence.
Whats wrong with POM getting a central contract? The issue is that SOB hasn't got one, not that POM has?
I don't think POM is at central contract stage personally. Not far off it but it is a sign of him being overrated, IMO.
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CM11 wrote:
Despot wrote:
binge90 wrote:POM getting a central contract. :lol:

And people wonder why I talk about IRFU incompetence.
Whats wrong with POM getting a central contract? The issue is that SOB hasn't got one, not that POM has?
I don't think POM is at central contract stage personally. Not far off it but it is a sign of him being overrated, IMO.
:frown:
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So all the 50/50 decisions went to men from Caaaaaaarrkkk. I'm shocked.
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Nolanator wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Hellraiser wrote:Why would the IRFU do that?
Because if they didn't they might end up with said player leaving at the end of his contract....

I thought you weren't one of the people who saw the players as simply resources as opposed to real people. Others have had contracts upgraded after they were signed. I think Henderson started the season on a development contract.
Pretty sure that HR was asking a rhetorical question to highlight the thinking of the IRFU.
Fair enough. Apologies to HR if that's the case.
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I'll thcream and thcream 'till I'm thick if Deccie doesn't pick.....

I'll thcream and thcream 'till I'm thickif SOB doesn't get a central contract
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Mr. Very Popular wrote:fudge you Declan,fudge you for putting out a decent team with only 1 slightly dodgy call.
In fairness, ROG on the bench is more than a little dodgy.
binge90 wrote:
ZappaMan wrote:
Mr. Very Popular wrote:Well,this is a bit of a letdown,what are we going to argue over until Saturday?
Lyons versus Barrys could get us through to Thursday?
Barrys.
Always knew you were an okay guy.
feckwanker wrote:Leinster - 10
Munster - 8
Ulster - 4
Connacht - 1

Hmmmmmmmmm
If Ulster NIQ's were eligible for Ireland
Leinster - 9
Munster - 7
Ulster - 7
Connacht - 0
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Socco wrote:So all the 50/50 decisions went to men from Caaaaaaarrkkk. I'm shocked.
apart from Gilroy of course.
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Have to ask IRFU to look into their crystal ball and give me next weeks Lotto numbers.
They seem to be seeing into the future about how good POM is going to be.

He's a good player, but all the talk of future this and that is very premature.
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CM11 wrote:
Despot wrote:
binge90 wrote:POM getting a central contract. :lol:

And people wonder why I talk about IRFU incompetence.
Whats wrong with POM getting a central contract? The issue is that SOB hasn't got one, not that POM has?
I don't think POM is at central contract stage personally. Not far off it but it is a sign of him being overrated, IMO.

Wouldn't necessarily agree- I prefer to see guys like him getting locked in rather than funds being given to older retirement stage players. I think he has proved himself of the necessary standard, I'm just surprised that someone like SOB hasn't been locked in.
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Nolanator wrote:
Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Nolanator wrote:POM now has a central contract and SOB doesn't. f**king shenanigans.
Well in fairness,the Munster boys are loyal,not like the Leinster lads.
SOB is so f**king loyal that he signed as long a contract as he could before he'd broken into the Irish team. Another bloody year to go on it.

Surely the IRFU and players can renegotiate the terms of their contract mid-contract if both parties are up for it?
Poor business by SOB really. Shouldn't have signed such a long deal with Leinster. It's bad business for Leinster too as they are paying his wages in full well into his career as a key international player.
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Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Socco wrote:So all the 50/50 decisions went to men from Caaaaaaarrkkk. I'm shocked.
apart from Gilroy of course.
That wasn't 50/50. That was 55/45 to be exact. Earls isn't from Caaaaaarrrkkk either.
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Yer Man wrote:
MunsterMan!!!!! wrote:I hope this means they target the welsh lineout!
How do you "target" the Welsh lineout?
Be in the same half of the field as the thrower?
Poite ignores crooked lineout throws, so Wales can probably throw straight to the scum-half and he'll ignore it. Like he does most of the laws.
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CM11 wrote:
Hellraiser wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Nolanator wrote:POM now has a central contract and SOB doesn't. f**king shenanigans.
Well in fairness,the Munster boys are loyal,not like the Leinster lads.
SOB is so f**king loyal that he signed as long a contract as he could before he'd broken into the Irish team. Another bloody year to go on it.

Surely the IRFU and players can renegotiate the terms of their contract mid-contract if both parties are up for it?

Why would the IRFU do that?
Because if they didn't they might end up with said player leaving at the end of his contract....

I thought you weren't one of the people who saw the players as simply resources as opposed to real people. Others have had contracts upgraded after they were signed. I think Henderson started the season on a development contract.

I didn't say I agreed with it, I just meant given how tight they are why would the IRFU voluntarily pay more money now than they had to.
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Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Socco wrote:So all the 50/50 decisions went to men from Caaaaaaarrkkk. I'm shocked.
apart from Gilroy of course.
Keet's from Limerick. Not relevant. :P
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CambridgeFergal wrote:
Yer Man wrote:
MunsterMan!!!!! wrote:I hope this means they target the welsh lineout!
How do you "target" the Welsh lineout?
Be in the same half of the field as the thrower?
Poite ignores crooked lineout throws, so Wales can probably throw straight to the scum-half and he'll ignore it. Like he does most of the laws.
This, offside too, staying on feet at breakdown and going through the gate also.

Priorities are binding properly and not being perceived to drop scrum and protecting possession at ruck time.
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Was sure that Earls was going to get in ahead of BOD or GD.. Whats with that decision? Wont go down well on Munsterfans. :shock:
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'and this is where it says I'll be sharing a room with Deccie'


fair play to PoM for giving us something to whinge about,he's a great lad
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Typical Kidney Selection, Saving bis beloved Keet by excluding him from starting 15, Would he ever do something positive for Irish rugby and just resign Now, AS for Peter O'Mahony promising player but not International class yet, should still be on a provincial contract, with Sexton now off the IRFU Books, what are the bets on another international contract for the RADGE, both him and DOC will get a couple of cheap caps on Saturday as usual, when RADGE & Earls come on North/Cuthbert will run straight at them to turn the game
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Franzer wrote:Typical Kidney Selection, Saving bis beloved Keet by excluding him from starting 15, Would he ever do something positive for Irish rugby and just resign Now, AS for Peter O'Mahony promising player but not International class yet, should still be on a provincial contract, with Sexton now off the IRFU Books, what are the bets on another international contract for the RADGE, both him and DOC will get a couple of cheap caps on Saturday as usual, when RADGE & Earls come on North/Cuthbert will run straight at them to turn the game
How exactly is he 'saving his beloved Keith' by dropping him to the bench?
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One worry about the selection is that the taffs will be well aware of Gilroy's defensive frailties and they will probably target him and the 13 channel together with their big runners.
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Uncle Fester wrote:One worry about the selection is that the taffs will be well aware of Gilroy's defensive frailties and they will probably target him and the 13 channel together with their big runners.
:roll: Here we go...
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Nolanator wrote:POM now has a central contract and SOB doesn't. f**king shenanigans.
This.

He didn't have to wait very long to get his first either, unlike Sexton.
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Uncle Fester wrote:One worry about the selection is that the taffs will be well aware of Gilroy's defensive frailties and they will probably target him and the 13 channel together with their big runners.
Defence is going to be a major issue with two green wingers. Big games required from the centres and backrow. All the more reason to pick Henry.
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Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Socco wrote:So all the 50/50 decisions went to men from Caaaaaaarrkkk. I'm shocked.
apart from Gilroy of course.
Mick Mac v DOC as well,Cork lost.

Happy enough on that.
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Disappointed at Henry being on the bench. Hopefully POM has a top match to justify His selection.
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CM11 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:One worry about the selection is that the taffs will be well aware of Gilroy's defensive frailties and they will probably target him and the 13 channel together with their big runners.
Defence is going to be a major issue with two green wingers. Big games required from the centres and backrow. All the more reason to pick Henry.
It may be a problem but I'd rather see some young lads in there then the same old faces. They'll either sink or swim but at least give them the opportunity.
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camroc1 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:POM now has a central contract and SOB doesn't. f**king shenanigans.
This.

He didn't have to wait very long to get his first either, unlike Sexton.
when did Sexton get his?
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Wingers aren't picked for their defence.
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He Man Rugger Pints wrote:I'd have gone for Henry but not a lot in it tbf. The back three looks quite dangerous, was expecting Earls to usurp Gilroy but glad he hasn't. ROG...
We know.

Madigan should have been blooded in the Summer.
Jackson should have been blooded in November (and I don't mean the A team).

We are where we are because of opportunities squandered in that shirt since the last 6 nations.

tbf, there has been progress in other areas (Kilcoyne, McCarthy, Henry, Zebo, Gilroy) it's just the location of the blindspot that compromises so much of the development elsewhere...
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Mr. Very Popular wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:POM now has a central contract and SOB doesn't. f**king shenanigans.
This.

He didn't have to wait very long to get his first either, unlike Sexton.
when did Sexton get his?
2011.
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Looking over on Gwlad they seem pretty confident again after seeing the Ireland team. Feel the Irish backline lacks the size and physicality to cope with Roberts, North, Cuthbert, etc.
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IBWT wrote:Looking over on Gwlad they seem pretty confident again after seeing the Ireland team. Feel the Irish backline lacks the size and physicality to cope with Roberts, North, Cuthbert, etc.
Could be right :?
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Willie Falloon wrote:Disappointed at Henry being on the bench. Hopefully POM has a top match to justify His selection.
Fair play willy, hopefully POM can have a huge performance.

If he doesn't it will be Henry for the rest of the 6N, well it should be.
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Mulleh wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:Disappointed at Henry being on the bench. Hopefully POM has a top match to justify His selection.
Fair play willy, hopefully POM can have a huge performance.

If he doesn't it will be Henry for the rest of the 6N, well it should be.
Unless Ferris comes back as scheduled in which case the POM vs Henry debate is moot.
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IBWT wrote:Looking over on Gwlad they seem pretty confident again after seeing the Ireland team. Feel the Irish backline lacks the size and physicality to cope with Roberts, North, Cuthbert, etc.
The Irish scrum needs to hold up+we need to target winning oppositions and retain our own lineout. Do that and we have a chance.Get mangled in the scrum and we will get mangled.
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soyhmf wrote:
IBWT wrote:Looking over on Gwlad they seem pretty confident again after seeing the Ireland team. Feel the Irish backline lacks the size and physicality to cope with Roberts, North, Cuthbert, etc.
Could be right :?
Yeah unless the forwards can keep the team on the front foot I would be a bit worried about our ability to stop their big runners. Which means a solid set-piece and really getting stuck in at the breakdown.
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IBWT wrote:
soyhmf wrote:
IBWT wrote:Looking over on Gwlad they seem pretty confident again after seeing the Ireland team. Feel the Irish backline lacks the size and physicality to cope with Roberts, North, Cuthbert, etc.
Could be right :?
Yeah unless the forwards can keep the team on the front foot I would be a bit worried about our ability to stop their big runners. Which means a solid set-piece and really getting stuck in at the breakdown.

Or employ another passive defensive set-up x(
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