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He's the Irish Haskell
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yes, but they've left out the stats for pushing folks in front of the ref after the whistle.
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Also pretty low number of lineouts, despite his apparent ligindaryness there.
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Better carrier than SOB though :thumbup:
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etherman wrote:
NineInchNile wrote:
Yer Man wrote:Some HEC stats for the back-rowers (per 80min match):

Flankers
O'Brien: 13.8 carries, 28.3 metres, 10.0 tackles @ 90%, 0.4 linouts
O'Mahony: 12.4 carries, 34.7 metres, 3.9 tackles @ 96%, 1.2 lineouts
Henry: 5.8 carries, 7.5 metres, 12.3 tackles @ 99%, 0.8 lineouts
[Henderson: 3.2 carries, 11.2 metres, 11.4 tackles @ 95%, 2.1 lineouts]
[McLaughlin: 6.9 carries, 10.7 metres, 9.9 tackles @ 100%, 3.2 lineouts]

Number 8
Heaslip: 13.5 carries, 25.3 metres, 10.0 tackles @ 100%, 1.3 lineouts
[Coughlan: 12.0 carries, 40.0 metres, 7.1 tackles @ 90%, 0.5 lineouts]

Notes:
- much of the difference in stats stems from how teams us their backrow - Munster do a lot of ball carrying there, Ulster comparitvely little...
- in the HEC, Henry doesn't carry much, POM doesn't tackle, Heaslip and SOB are both pretty busy, McLaughlin is the best lineout target
- no stats for turnovers forced however
- in the November tests, POM, Henry and Heaslip all had 16 carries and between 11 and 15 tackles so the work was fairly evenly split
I guess those stats comfirm that Coughlan is a better #8 than Heaslip; not that it was ever in doubt though.
What the hell is with POM tackle stats? I dont care how Muster play that seems ridiculously low.
How many tackles did Dougall, O'Donnell, etc make?
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NineInchNile wrote:
Yer Man wrote:Some HEC stats for the back-rowers (per 80min match):

Flankers
O'Brien: 13.8 carries, 28.3 metres, 10.0 tackles @ 90%, 0.4 linouts
O'Mahony: 12.4 carries, 34.7 metres, 3.9 tackles @ 96%, 1.2 lineouts
Henry: 5.8 carries, 7.5 metres, 12.3 tackles @ 99%, 0.8 lineouts
[Henderson: 3.2 carries, 11.2 metres, 11.4 tackles @ 95%, 2.1 lineouts]
[McLaughlin: 6.9 carries, 10.7 metres, 9.9 tackles @ 100%, 3.2 lineouts]

Number 8
Heaslip: 13.5 carries, 25.3 metres, 10.0 tackles @ 100%, 1.3 lineouts
[Coughlan: 12.0 carries, 40.0 metres, 7.1 tackles @ 90%, 0.5 lineouts]

Notes:
- much of the difference in stats stems from how teams us their backrow - Munster do a lot of ball carrying there, Ulster comparitvely little...
- in the HEC, Henry doesn't carry much, POM doesn't tackle, Heaslip and SOB are both pretty busy, McLaughlin is the best lineout target
- no stats for turnovers forced however
- in the November tests, POM, Henry and Heaslip all had 16 carries and between 11 and 15 tackles so the work was fairly evenly split
I guess those stats comfirm that Coughlan is a better #8 than Heaslip; not that it was ever in doubt though.
YOu would have loved the Lions Rugby Club on Sky live from Twickers last night quite a few people were picking Heaslip as their Lions captain.
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So did you f**king bog warriors have an announcement today or not?
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Banana Man wrote:Just back from the Munster Press Conference.

Twas a nice afternoon, they serve a nice lunch in the Clarion.
Good man Bman, when they said someone was coming down from Leinster, I didn't realise they meant you. All your good work has paid off at last :thumbup:
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camroc1 wrote:
feckwanker wrote:This much we know -
1. Bank of Ireland to be announced as new sponsors for Munster
2. someone from Leinster coming to Munster (possibly Ruddock or Reddan)
3. We're gonna win the HEC this year :thumbup:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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NineInchNile wrote:Better carrier than SOB though :thumbup:
Congratulations, you have overtaken Apurelegend as The boreds latest and greatest Munster cyclops.

Keep this up and you'll be challenging Porterbelly and Earl for the Best Irish in category
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Mickey C doing the Heaslip interview,I wonder is he taking a step towards TV commentary,Christ that'd be great.
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Mr. Very Popular wrote:Mickey C doing the Heaslip interview,I wonder is he taking a step towards TV commentary,Christ that'd be great.

I somehow doubt that Ryle will relinquish his manicured, moisturised grip on the mike for Irish games.
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I'm taking a piss right now and I'm dedicating it to Mike McCarthy.

Hero.
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TheBouncer wrote:I'm taking a piss right now and I'm dedicating it to Mike McCarthy.

Hero.
Played well but was f**ked after 60 mins,he's well worth his place though,great fringe defending.
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Mr. Very Popular wrote:
TheBouncer wrote:I'm taking a piss right now and I'm dedicating it to Mike McCarthy.

Hero.
Played well but was f**ked after 60 mins,he's well worth his place though,great fringe defending.
Makes an outrageous amount of huge tackles. Can't wait to have him. :nod:
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Mr. Very Popular wrote:
TheBouncer wrote:I'm taking a piss right now and I'm dedicating it to Mike McCarthy.

Hero.
Played well but was f**ked after 60 mins,he's well worth his place though,great fringe defending.

Doesn't matter a wank if he were good for 80, he'd be yanked off anyway.

Delighted for the lads.
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We've got to keep our defensive shape and control the pace of the game better next week. Please God don't let it be Keet at 13.
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What's the story with Ross? We're still f**ked for tightheads, can't really see a craic at the championship atm.
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For next week we have to stop kicking aimlessly. Gilroy in particular kicked without much purpose.
Happy for POM to start, he played well today, but he needs to support more. Our backrow was great 1 or 2 years ago because they were supporting each other; Heaslip has been too quiet in that regard too.

Keet at the moment shouldn't be in the team; he's not up to international standard in the centre, and sadly for him he's been moved around too much to put him ahead of Zebo, Trimble, Gilroy. McFadden or Luke Marshall would be the best choices for 12 for the next match.

And whatever Kidney said at half time, somebody tell him to shut up! Why is it that on the odd occassion that we do start well, we can never maintain that play for longer than 40 minutes? We also end up sitting back and defending with players putting their bodies on the line for very long periods.
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Ireland are in the poop next week if D'arcy and Ross are out.

No Luke Marshall is a massive disappointment.
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Willie Falloon wrote:Ireland are in the poop next week if D'arcy and Ross are out.

No Luke Marshall is a massive disappointment.
Ross is fine apparently.

D'Arcy has to go for a scan but according to RTE, they're not "overly worried". Otherwise... :uhoh:
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at least ryle can still yell zeBoooooowwwwweee
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For all ye Munster lads, Gareth Fitz has no intention of retiring.
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tiddle wrote:at least ryle can still yell zeBoooooowwwwweee
:lol:
Was thinking something like that!
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Mulleh wrote:For all ye Munster lads, Gareth Fitz has no intention of retiring.
<loads up the sniper rifle>
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Mulleh wrote:For all ye Munster lads, Gareth Fitz has no intention of retiring.
That's the company line alright.
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Nolanator wrote:
tiddle wrote:at least ryle can still yell zeBoooooowwwwweee
:lol:
Was thinking something like that!

I really hate him whenever Harinordoquy plays...........
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bobbyfatfingers wrote:
NineInchNile wrote:Better carrier than SOB though :thumbup:
Congratulations, you have overtaken Apurelegend as The boreds latest and greatest Munster cyclops.

Keep this up and you'll be challenging Porterbelly and Earl for the Best Irish in category
He's doing some more good work on the match thread.
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Ireland's Call wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
tiddle wrote:at least ryle can still yell zeBoooooowwwwweee
:lol:
Was thinking something like that!

I really hate him whenever Harinordoquy plays...........
At least he can pronounce the name, not like Donal Lenihan commentating
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Keith was poor today alright but he's done enough over the last two 6N to deserve another chance at the 13 jersey. And it's instructive that his missed tackle in a 30-15 win at the GS holders is what PR is most fixated on :roll:

Healy was incredible. Best too. POM surprised me but the test will be against the heavier packs. Very encouraging though as hell get stronger and stronger in the next few years. Doubt Gilroy is up to it at this level though, he doesn't look to have the all-round package he'd need to make up for his size.

Hopefully we've moved permanently from EOS / Kidney style cagey controlled rugby to Wales / Schmidt style giving it a lash and enjoying it. Very noticeable difference in approach in the last few games. Because giving it a lash and trying to build a bit of momentum is the only way to go as a small nation in this tournament.
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Keith was poor today alright but he's done enough over the last two 6N to deserve another chance at the 13 jersey. And it's instructive that his missed tackle in a 30-15 win at the GS holders is what PR is most fixated on :roll:

Healy was incredible. Best too. POM surprised me but the test will be against the heavier packs. Very encouraging though as hell get stronger and stronger in the next few years. Doubt Gilroy is up to it at this level though, he doesn't look to have the all-round package he'd need to make up for his size.

Hopefully we've moved permanently from EOS / Kidney style cagey controlled rugby to Wales / Schmidt style giving it a lash and enjoying it. Very noticeable difference in approach in the last few games. Because giving it a lash and trying to build a bit of momentum is the only way to go as a small nation in this tournament.
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Mulleh wrote:For all ye Munster lads, Gareth Fitz has no intention of retiring.

Old news.
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I think Earls is our Balshaw in a way, mixes the good with the shite. When BOD goes, I'd prefer to see Bowe move to 13 for a year or two if nobody else steps up to the mark (I think Farrell will though tbh).
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Earls' problem is a personality one. If he had the same self-confidence as Zebo we would not be having this conversation.
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Hellraiser wrote:Earls' problem is a personality one. If he had the same self-confidence as Zebo we would not be having this conversation.
Earls' problem is that he is just like Zebo. Both are savage wingers, but not outside centres.
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wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Lads were great
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Bock wrote:Keith was poor today alright but he's done enough over the last two 6N to deserve another chance at the 13 jersey. And it's instructive that his missed tackle in a 30-15 win at the GS holders is what PR is most fixated on :roll:

Healy was incredible. Best too. POM surprised me but the test will be against the heavier packs. Very encouraging though as hell get stronger and stronger in the next few years. Doubt Gilroy is up to it at this level though, he doesn't look to have the all-round package he'd need to make up for his size.

Hopefully we've moved permanently from EOS / Kidney style cagey controlled rugby to Wales / Schmidt style giving it a lash and enjoying it. Very noticeable difference in approach in the last few games. Because giving it a lash and trying to build a bit of momentum is the only way to go as a small nation in this tournament.
After one fairly decent game you have written him off. f**king bizarre.... You must know so much more about rugby then anyone else. Have you written a book?
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Sissyfuss wrote:
Bock wrote:Keith was poor today alright but he's done enough over the last two 6N to deserve another chance at the 13 jersey. And it's instructive that his missed tackle in a 30-15 win at the GS holders is what PR is most fixated on :roll:

Healy was incredible. Best too. POM surprised me but the test will be against the heavier packs. Very encouraging though as hell get stronger and stronger in the next few years. Doubt Gilroy is up to it at this level though, he doesn't look to have the all-round package he'd need to make up for his size.

Hopefully we've moved permanently from EOS / Kidney style cagey controlled rugby to Wales / Schmidt style giving it a lash and enjoying it. Very noticeable difference in approach in the last few games. Because giving it a lash and trying to build a bit of momentum is the only way to go as a small nation in this tournament.
After one fairly decent game you have written him off. f**king bizarre.... You must know so much more about rugby then anyone else. Have you written a book?
You don't need to be Graham Henry to see that he's small, friend
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Sissyfuss wrote:
Bock wrote:Keith was poor today alright but he's done enough over the last two 6N to deserve another chance at the 13 jersey. And it's instructive that his missed tackle in a 30-15 win at the GS holders is what PR is most fixated on :roll:

Healy was incredible. Best too. POM surprised me but the test will be against the heavier packs. Very encouraging though as hell get stronger and stronger in the next few years. Doubt Gilroy is up to it at this level though, he doesn't look to have the all-round package he'd need to make up for his size.

Hopefully we've moved permanently from EOS / Kidney style cagey controlled rugby to Wales / Schmidt style giving it a lash and enjoying it. Very noticeable difference in approach in the last few games. Because giving it a lash and trying to build a bit of momentum is the only way to go as a small nation in this tournament.
After one fairly decent game you have written him off. f**king bizarre.... You must know so much more about rugby then anyone else. Have you written a book?
He has already had it pointed out on the match thread, Gilroy is a similar height and weight to Earls, D'Arcy and O'Driscoll.
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Bock wrote:
Sissyfuss wrote:
Bock wrote:Keith was poor today alright but he's done enough over the last two 6N to deserve another chance at the 13 jersey. And it's instructive that his missed tackle in a 30-15 win at the GS holders is what PR is most fixated on :roll:

Healy was incredible. Best too. POM surprised me but the test will be against the heavier packs. Very encouraging though as hell get stronger and stronger in the next few years. Doubt Gilroy is up to it at this level though, he doesn't look to have the all-round package he'd need to make up for his size.

Hopefully we've moved permanently from EOS / Kidney style cagey controlled rugby to Wales / Schmidt style giving it a lash and enjoying it. Very noticeable difference in approach in the last few games. Because giving it a lash and trying to build a bit of momentum is the only way to go as a small nation in this tournament.
After one fairly decent game you have written him off. f**king bizarre.... You must know so much more about rugby then anyone else. Have you written a book?
You don't need to be Graham Henry to see that he's small, friend
Saying Gilroy is small is not my issue - "Doubt Gilroy is up to it at this level etc" . He was not man of the match but he did well enough. Throwing young players on the scrap heap after one non man of the match performance is.....strange.
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