The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by **SASP** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:32 pm

LeinsterLion wrote:The first priority for Ferris is Ireland. End of. This isn't some warm up against a minnow side, it's the f**king six nations. You don't throw players in and out for the sake of it, you rotate from a position of strength with genuine options for valid reasons such as increasing depth and competition and progressing younger players.

And he's not being over played, it's five games in seven weeks.

No one is arguing where his first priority is. No one is claiming that we are playing a minnow. If Ferris does his knee against Scotland and misses a large chunk of the rest of the year what good is he to Ireland on the treatment table?

We have genuine options in the back row and the only way for young guys to get to test level is to play them at test level.

Same in the second and front rows.

Not protecting key players is why we have fudge all quality options to call upon in the centres.

Willie Falloon · Post by **Willie Falloon** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:33 pm

Mr. Very Popular wrote:HEC is a different beast Willie,a very different approach,if you think the lat few results mean anything you're in for a big surprise.

binge90 · Post by **binge90** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:34 pm

SASP wrote:
LeinsterLion wrote:The first priority for Ferris is Ireland. End of. This isn't some warm up against a minnow side, it's the f**king six nations. You don't throw players in and out for the sake of it, you rotate from a position of strength with genuine options for valid reasons such as increasing depth and competition and progressing younger players.

And he's not being over played, it's five games in seven weeks.
No one is arguing where his first priority is. No one is claiming that we are playing a minnow. If Ferris does his knee against Scotland and misses a large chunk of the rest of the year what good is he to Ireland on the treatment table?

We have genuine options in the back row and the only way for young guys to get to test level is to play them at test level.

Same in the second and front rows.

Not protecting key players is why we have fudge all quality options to call upon in the centres.

Yeah, we should rest Sexton too. And Bowe. Actually Kearney has had a bad knee recently, let's give him a rest too.

Post by **SASP** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:36 pm

Willie Falloon wrote:
Mr. Very Popular wrote:HEC is a different beast Willie,a very different approach,if you think the lat few results mean anything you're in for a big surprise.

The big surprise is that Munster will play like Munster.

Post by **SASP** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:42 pm

binge90 wrote:
SASP wrote:
LeinsterLion wrote:The first priority for Ferris is Ireland. End of. This isn't some warm up against a minnow side, it's the f**king six nations. You don't throw players in and out for the sake of it, you rotate from a position of strength with genuine options for valid reasons such as increasing depth and competition and progressing younger players.

And he's not being over played, it's five games in seven weeks.
No one is arguing where his first priority is. No one is claiming that we are playing a minnow. If Ferris does his knee against Scotland and misses a large chunk of the rest of the year what good is he to Ireland on the treatment table?

We have genuine options in the back row and the only way for young guys to get to test level is to play them at test level.

Same in the second and front rows.

Not protecting key players is why we have fudge all quality options to call upon in the centres.
Yeah, we should rest Sexton too. And Bowe. Actually Kearney has had a bad knee recently, let's give him a rest too.

Yup great idea. We'd have lots of competition if other players were given a chance.

MunsterMan!!!!! · Post by **MunsterMan!!!!!** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:58 pm

Willie Falloon wrote:
Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:
Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:15.Jones - Terblanche
14.Howlett - Trimble
13.Earls - Cave
12.Mafi - Wallace
11.Zebo - Gilroy
10.ROG - Humphreys
9.Murray - Pienaar
8.Coughlan - Wannenburg
7.Wallace - Henry
6.O'Mahoney - Ferris
5.POC - Tuohy
4.Ryan - Muller
3.Botha - Afoa
2.Varley - Best
1.Du Preez - Court

Where exactly is the major weakness in that Munster team? On paper Munster should win and win pretty well.
Maybe-
Howlett,out for the season.
PoC and murray might not make it
Wallace hasn't actually returned yet.
Don't worry. In Paper I think Ulster have the beating of you.

Frontrow - Ulster
2nd row - Munster, but not by much.
Backrow - Evens. Both backrows consist of a top class player, an Irish squad player and a workhorse
Halfbacks - SH Ulster, flyhalf - Munster. Albeit, Humph can be good on his day.
centres - Ulster
Back 3 - With Howlett out, I'd edge it towards Ulster.

Debate.
If Marshall and Piennar play I think Ulster will win,if Humphs gets the nod I'd fear for his life considering what he did with the Tiggers still has payback to be dealt out.
Humph played twice in Thommond park for Ulster since returning from leicester and was brilliant. Scored a solo try in 1 match and created a number of trys when we hammered you in early 2009. You've had your chance for 'payback'.

He loves it and I'm expecting an inspired performance from him.

Exactly so this is Ulster to Lose, esp as you say there are dominate in more areas of the field, as even where Munster are on top, it is only just. Ulster by +20

Now with Rory being No.1 he has more money to splash on on Ulster, Ulster H-Cup Champions Elect forever!

LeinsterLion · Post by **LeinsterLion** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:00 pm

SASP wrote:
binge90 wrote:
SASP wrote:
LeinsterLion wrote:The first priority for Ferris is Ireland. End of. This isn't some warm up against a minnow side, it's the f**king six nations. You don't throw players in and out for the sake of it, you rotate from a position of strength with genuine options for valid reasons such as increasing depth and competition and progressing younger players.

And he's not being over played, it's five games in seven weeks.
No one is arguing where his first priority is. No one is claiming that we are playing a minnow. If Ferris does his knee against Scotland and misses a large chunk of the rest of the year what good is he to Ireland on the treatment table?

We have genuine options in the back row and the only way for young guys to get to test level is to play them at test level.

Same in the second and front rows.

Not protecting key players is why we have fudge all quality options to call upon in the centres.
Yeah, we should rest Sexton too. And Bowe. Actually Kearney has had a bad knee recently, let's give him a rest too.
Yup great idea. We'd have lots of competition if other players were given a chance.

And lose even more.

You give players a chance when they deserve it and you can put them in to a strong side, from a position of strength. Not for the sake of it and not because you think five games in seven weeks is too much. No one is denying that we haven't done that enough. But with Ferris in the form of his life, Best possibly out, two talismans already gone and a six nations test to win this is not the time to throw in players for the sake of it.

kerry_exile · Post by **kerry_exile** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:09 pm

Do irfu.ie bother with the live announcements anymore, or did they tire of f*cking them up?!
Can't see a link on their site.

Hellraiser · Post by **Hellraiser** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:15 pm

Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:
Mr. Very Popular wrote:

This is a very rude conversation. Either tell us or take it to your facebook page.
Sorry,will do

Arthur McBride · Post by **Arthur McBride** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:18 pm

kerry_exile wrote:Do irfu.ie bother with the live announcements anymore, or did they tire of f*cking them up?!
Can't see a link on their site.

It's up now, team to be announced at 1.15

http://www.irishrugby.ie/ireland/live_streaming.php

CM11 · Post by **CM11** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:20 pm

SASP wrote:
LeinsterLion wrote:The first priority for Ferris is Ireland. End of. This isn't some warm up against a minnow side, it's the f**king six nations. You don't throw players in and out for the sake of it, you rotate from a position of strength with genuine options for valid reasons such as increasing depth and competition and progressing younger players.

And he's not being over played, it's five games in seven weeks.
No one is arguing where his first priority is. No one is claiming that we are playing a minnow. If Ferris does his knee against Scotland and misses a large chunk of the rest of the year what good is he to Ireland on the treatment table?

We have genuine options in the back row and the only way for young guys to get to test level is to play them at test level.

Same in the second and front rows.

Not protecting key players is why we have fudge all quality options to call upon in the centres.

I think your last sentence means 'not resting key player'. Don't get what not protecting them has to do with it. BOD has been 'protected' throughout his career which is why he's missed so few Irish games and if it wasn't for Horan might be playing in this 6N. Thing is we do protect all our key players massively but it's the provinces that miss out. Not Ireland.

In terms of resting BOD for Ireland, well it would be nice if we could win a big game or two without him but since we can't I think hindsight shows we couldn't afford to rest him. Ferris falls into the same category along with POC.

CM11 · Post by **CM11** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:23 pm

SASP wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Thornley predicting that Ryan and Reddan will be the only two changes.
Expecting anything else?

Well yes. Given the arguments over McCarthy and Tuohy being different locks you would think one of them was going to start. DOC/Ryan is a disastrous pairing and if it comes to pass will show yet again just how shit a selector Kidney is. I've no problem with Ryan himself coming in, he should be starting anyway, but DOC should be out.

Porterbelly1 · Post by **Porterbelly1** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:25 pm

CM11 wrote:
SASP wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Thornley predicting that Ryan and Reddan will be the only two changes.
Expecting anything else?
Well yes. Given the arguments over McCarthy and Tuohy being different locks you would think one of them was going to start. DOC/Ryan is a disastrous pairing and if it comes to pass will show yet again just how shit a selector Kidney is. I've no problem with Ryan himself coming in, he should be starting anyway, but DOC should be out.

4. Ryan 5.McCarthy 18.Tuohy

DOC can fack off

CM11 · Post by **CM11** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:26 pm

Porterbelly1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
SASP wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Thornley predicting that Ryan and Reddan will be the only two changes.
Expecting anything else?
Well yes. Given the arguments over McCarthy and Tuohy being different locks you would think one of them was going to start. DOC/Ryan is a disastrous pairing and if it comes to pass will show yet again just how shit a selector Kidney is. I've no problem with Ryan himself coming in, he should be starting anyway, but DOC should be out.
4. Ryan 5.McCarthy 18.Tuohy

DOC can fack off

Isn't that what I said? Just a bit more politely.

EDIT, never mind. I misread.

Mr. Very Popular · Post by **Mr. Very Popular** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:27 pm

Porterbelly1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
SASP wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Thornley predicting that Ryan and Reddan will be the only two changes.
Expecting anything else?
Well yes. Given the arguments over McCarthy and Tuohy being different locks you would think one of them was going to start. DOC/Ryan is a disastrous pairing and if it comes to pass will show yet again just how shit a selector Kidney is. I've no problem with Ryan himself coming in, he should be starting anyway, but DOC should be out.
4. Ryan 5.McCarthy 18.Tuohy

DOC can fack off

So our lineout could be dependent on 4 lads who haven't started yet this tournament?
Not going to happen.

Post by **SASP** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:43 pm

CM11 wrote:
SASP wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Thornley predicting that Ryan and Reddan will be the only two changes.
Expecting anything else?
Well yes. Given the arguments over McCarthy and Tuohy being different locks you would think one of them was going to start. DOC/Ryan is a disastrous pairing and if it comes to pass will show yet again just how shit a selector Kidney is. I've no problem with Ryan himself coming in, he should be starting anyway, but DOC should be out.

I meant of course because its Kidney picking the team the chances of him making changes that are not injury related are tiny.

piaras · Post by **piaras** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:03 pm

At what time today is the team due to be announced.

amadangomor · Post by **amadangomor** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:06 pm

piaras wrote:At what time today is the team due to be announced.

13:15
http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/25821.php

Not much fun anymore since they have become so predictable

piaras · Post by **piaras** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:08 pm

amadangomor wrote:
piaras wrote:At what time today is the team due to be announced.

13:15
http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/25821.php

Not much fun anymore since they have become so predictable

Yeah. Buck is usually good for the team 15 minutes or so beforehand, any heads anyone.

Hellraiser · Post by **Hellraiser** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:17 pm

Rory is captain anyway.

soyhmf · Post by **soyhmf** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:19 pm

Ryan and Reddan

piaras · Post by **piaras** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:19 pm

As expected, Ryan and Reddan in with Best captain, McCarthy and O'Leary on the bench. What a joke.

kerry_exile · Post by **kerry_exile** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:20 pm

Well, that was fairly meh! TOL on the bench, D4 heads will love it.

lorcanoworms · Post by **lorcanoworms** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:21 pm

Screwed much.

soyhmf · Post by **soyhmf** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:22 pm

kerry_exile wrote:Well, that was fairly meh! TOL on the bench, D4 heads will love it.

A lot of people who aren't "d4 heads" might not be too impressed either. I'd imagine from a Kerry perspective anyone who doesn't interfere from their sister and has running water is a "D4 head".

Mitty · Post by **Mitty** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:24 pm

kerry_exile wrote:Well, that was fairly meh! TOL on the bench, D4 heads will love it.

Do you even know what that means you f**king tool?

kerry_exile · Post by **kerry_exile** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:25 pm

soyhmf wrote:
kerry_exile wrote:Well, that was fairly meh! TOL on the bench, D4 heads will love it.
A lot of people who aren't "d4 heads" might not be too impressed either. I'd imagine from a Kerry perspective anyone who doesn't interfere from their sister and has running water is a "D4 head".

"interfere from their sister"...Even in the hedge schools of Kerry, they could form a sentence better than that anyway.

camroc1 · Post by **camroc1** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:26 pm

IRELAND Team & Replacements (v Scotland, 2012 RBS 6 Nations Championship, Aviva Stadium, Saturday, March 10, kick-off 5pm):

15 - Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)
14 - Tommy Bowe (Ospreys)
13 - Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)
12 - Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
11 - Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
10 - Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
9 - Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
1 - Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
2 - Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) (capt)
3 - Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
4 - Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster)
5 - Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
6 - Stephen Ferris (Dungannon/Ulster)
7 - Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)
8 - Jamie Heaslip (Naas/Leinster)

Replacements:
16 - Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
17 - Tom Court (Malone/Ulster)
18 - Mike McCarthy (Buccaneers/Connacht)
19 - Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster)
20 - Tomas O'Leary (Dolphin/Munster)
21 - Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster)
22 - Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)

kerry_exile · Post by **kerry_exile** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:26 pm

Mitty wrote:
kerry_exile wrote:Well, that was fairly meh! TOL on the bench, D4 heads will love it.
Do you even know what that means you f**king tool?

Chill the beans. Perhaps I wasn't clear, IMO TOL shouldn't be anywhere near the squad either.

CM11 · Post by **CM11** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:28 pm

kerry_exile wrote:
Mitty wrote:
kerry_exile wrote:Well, that was fairly meh! TOL on the bench, D4 heads will love it.
Do you even know what that means you f**king tool?
Chill the beans. Perhaps I wasn't clear, IMO TOL shouldn't be anywhere near the squad either.

Your jibe would have been better if directed north. We have no feelings as such on it (other than general ones re. TOL himself) as Boss wasn't an option.

soyhmf · Post by **soyhmf** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:28 pm

Mitty wrote:
kerry_exile wrote:Well, that was fairly meh! TOL on the bench, D4 heads will love it.
Do you even know what that means you f**king tool?

Like a four year old with his snotty nose pressed up against the window of the sweetie shop...

I can just hear it "deee far heds"

kerry_exile · Post by **kerry_exile** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:32 pm

soyhmf wrote:
Mitty wrote:
kerry_exile wrote:Well, that was fairly meh! TOL on the bench, D4 heads will love it.
Do you even know what that means you f**king tool?
Like a four year old with his snotty nose pressed up against the window of the sweetie shop...

I can just hear it "deee far heds"

You're a right card aren't you? In case you have trouble reading (like you have forming cogent sentences seemingly)..I WOULDN'T HAVE TOL IN THE SQUAD AND ITS A JOKE.
Read that in whatever stereotypical accent you have in your head.

DOB · Post by **DOB** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:33 pm

CM11 wrote:
kerry_exile wrote:
Mitty wrote:
kerry_exile wrote:Well, that was fairly meh! TOL on the bench, D4 heads will love it.
Do you even know what that means you f**king tool?
Chill the beans. Perhaps I wasn't clear, IMO TOL shouldn't be anywhere near the squad either.
Your jibe would have been better if directed north. We have no feelings as such on it (other than general ones re. TOL himself) as Boss wasn't an option.

No, I'm pretty pissed off about it too. As, I think, should every rugby loving Irishman.

binge90 · Post by **binge90** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:34 pm

kerry_exile wrote:
Mitty wrote:
kerry_exile wrote:Well, that was fairly meh! TOL on the bench, D4 heads will love it.
Do you even know what that means you f**king tool?
Chill the beans. Perhaps I wasn't clear, IMO TOL shouldn't be anywhere near the squad either.

Then why'd you bother trying to have a pop at all?

CM11 · Post by **CM11** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:36 pm

DOB wrote:
CM11 wrote:
kerry_exile wrote:
Mitty wrote:
kerry_exile wrote:Well, that was fairly meh! TOL on the bench, D4 heads will love it.
Do you even know what that means you f**king tool?
Chill the beans. Perhaps I wasn't clear, IMO TOL shouldn't be anywhere near the squad either.
Your jibe would have been better if directed north. We have no feelings as such on it (other than general ones re. TOL himself) as Boss wasn't an option.
No, I'm pretty pissed off about it too. As, I think, should every rugby loving Irishman.

Those would be the general feelings I was talking about.

Just saying that singling us out makes no sense as we've no particular axe to grind other than as Irish fans.

binge90 · Post by **binge90** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:37 pm

CM11 wrote: Those would be the general feelings I was talking about.

Just saying that singling us out makes no sense as we've no particular axe to grind other than as Irish fans.

But we're plum because we're from D4, don'tcha knowah?

CM11 · Post by **CM11** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:38 pm

binge90 wrote:
CM11 wrote: Those would be the general feelings I was talking about.

Just saying that singling us out makes no sense as we've no particular axe to grind other than as Irish fans.
But we're plum because we're from D4, don'tcha knowah?

There is that, I suppose.

camroc1 · Post by **camroc1** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:38 pm

It's so utterly, utterly predictable, this Kidney reaching for the 2006/2008 red comfort blanket.

I'll get angry when I see TOL coming on in the 60th minute for Reddan in a preordained substitution, regardless of how Reddan has played or the state of the match.

Post by **ZappaMan** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:39 pm

Meh. I would have gone with Tuohy for DOC and probably myself over TOL but it's as expected, really.

soyhmf · Post by **soyhmf** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:40 pm

kerry_exile wrote:
soyhmf wrote:
Mitty wrote:
kerry_exile wrote:Well, that was fairly meh! TOL on the bench, D4 heads will love it.
Do you even know what that means you f**king tool?
Like a four year old with his snotty nose pressed up against the window of the sweetie shop...

I can just hear it "deee far heds"
You're a right card aren't you? In case you have trouble reading (like you have forming cogent sentences seemingly)..I WOULDN'T HAVE TOL IN THE SQUAD AND ITS A JOKE.
Read that in whatever stereotypical accent you have in your head.

I frankly couldn't care less about TO'L, I was commenting on your stereotypical generalization that all Leinster fans are "d4 heads", and the even more inane assumption that this had something to do with people's perspective on the TO'L selection. So I responded with a little stereotyping of my own. You didn't like that too much, did you, you hairy shovel-handed turf-scented bumpkin?