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re Bowe's mistake

it is not the 1st time

- he struggled to make the 1st 15 for a while due to a series of brain farts when he started getting caps


however he is a class player and one we would not wish to be without


a pity we have not tried him & or trimble in the centre properly

I still think that for past 10 years, we have totally neglected the centres and failed to have sucession plan

maybe due to BOD punching above his weight, a purple patch with darcy many moons ago

and incredible reluctance to ditch a few chosen ones
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muffstuffa wrote:Serious question here. Is sexton up to international standard? Good player in the rabo and hec but is this a step to far for him?
shit Muff, you were supposed to remain undercover for at least another year,,,a car is being sent to your Munster safehouse to pick you up
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Apposite wrote:
CM11 wrote:Maybe it's been said elsewhere but for the second time in a row against Wales I am suprised that Murray's performance has not been mentioned much. He looked like he'd only met Sexton in the changing room. He was constantly at sea as to where he was standing and was picking the ball before having a clear idea of where he was passing to. To rectify this he slows the game right down meaning Bowe's try had to be scored in the corner about 30 seconds after we could have strolled in under the posts (we had a 6 on 2 or something in that region at one stage).

The difference between Reddan and Murray isn't the speed of pass or even the speed of play (well it is, but not the key difference) but that Reddan directs play and Murray doesn't really or at least he doesn't do it well. Murray had to carry the ball a number of times because he led the pack up a blind alley. He then gets lauded for the carries! If you look at how Sexton plays, and yes this is a negative mark on him, for Leinster he doesn't control play as much as the pack and 9 do but yesterday he was being asked to take on more shit ball than he normally would. I also thought we went wide way to quickly way too often, especially in the first half and again this is something Sexton would not normally do because the ball usually doesn't come out to him to go wide until the right has been earned. Again a negative mark on him because I thought he could have carried the ball a bit more at times.

If we are to persist with Murray for the sake of getting him up to the required level then I can just about accept it, I think he has all the basic skills and will be a fine SH down the line. But can we please make sure we do the same with Sexton? Because it will do no-one any good to go through the same chopping and changing at halfback like we did last year only to finally concede it wasn't working and revert to what is clearly the best combo right now. If this is to be a write off of a 6N then let's get something out of it.

In terms of the game itself though the winning and losing was clearly in defence, much more so than in NZ. In that game Wales just about got the 3 tries they deserved and we left a few good attacking chances out there. This time around it was the opposite. I'd struggle to argue we were worth much more than 21 points while Wales could easily argue they could have hit 30. We were as callow in defence as I've ever seen us. We just weren't making the hits, we weren't gang tackling, we were conceding so much ground and not in a controlled way. I have never seen so many successve carries by an opposition side without one attempt to stop them on the gainline and have some chance of turning the ball over. It wouldn't matter if McCaw was playing yesterday, the hits weren't coming in and the numbers weren't at the breakdown to allow anyone get hands on the ball. By contrast Wales were flooding the breakdown and any sloppy ball was turned over with ease.

In terms of personnel it's a hard one because the only player capable of reorganising the defence isn't available. But Ryan has to start (even though I don't think DOC had a poor game) and I think we have to attempt to shore up midfield by bringing one of the big wingers in. I wouldn't actually mind if it was Trimble. McFadden will go fine at 12. Persist with Murray and Sexton but those two need a serious chat about how they want each other to play. Other than that there's not a lot we can do. Oh, maybe use the f**king bench more!!
I don't think Kidney has the stones to drop D'Arcy and move Fergus at the same time. I think he will probably just swap Earls in for McFadden.
this and Ryan coming in are the only changes I see happening, will make fudge all difference against the frogs,
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Uncle Fester wrote:
etherman wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
etherman wrote:Chris Henry. Just saying. *ducks and covers*
I was waiting (in the long grass) for Earl or Willie to bring this up but since you're a reasonable poster I'll be nice.

He's a no 8 without the athleticism to play 8, filling in at 7. That's all he is.
SOB is a 6 without the defensively qualities to play 6, filling in at 7. That's all he is.

This is a fun game.
He's also European player of the year at 6.
The last award Henry won was the clanger intercept try of the decade when he narrowly pipped Eoin Reddan and Tomas O'Leary to the prize.
So was O'Gara in 2010. Didn't stop him from getting dropped.
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No Fitz this weekend anyway. No changes to the squad. Hurley and Jennings have been released back to their provinces. Team won't be announced till Thursday.

Same team again I reckon with maybe Earls back in. I think DOC played well enough (for Kidney) to be retained.
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etherman wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
etherman wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
etherman wrote:Chris Henry. Just saying. *ducks and covers*
I was waiting (in the long grass) for Earl or Willie to bring this up but since you're a reasonable poster I'll be nice.

He's a no 8 without the athleticism to play 8, filling in at 7. That's all he is.
SOB is a 6 without the defensively qualities to play 6, filling in at 7. That's all he is.

This is a fun game.
He's also European player of the year at 6.
The last award Henry won was the clanger intercept try of the decade when he narrowly pipped Eoin Reddan and Tomas O'Leary to the prize.
So was O'Gara in 2010. Didn't stop him from getting dropped.
I believe the award in 2010 was based on more than just that year to mark the 15 years of the comp.

Either way, saying SOB was player of the year to argue for his selection is as silly as arguing against it saying he doesn't have the defensive qualities for a 6. But I think you know that.
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It would be very unfair on Welsh Rugby I have too say if Gatland got the job and was told day goodbye to Wales for a year! Just for a few weeks in Oz. That can't be the case, the Lions have got to cop on there. If they insist on that then they'll get a club coach or some former test coach (Johnson :shock: ) and it would be a disaster imho.
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Ireland's Call wrote:It would be very unfair on Welsh Rugby I have too say if Gatland got the job and was told day goodbye to Wales for a year! Just for a few weeks in Oz. That can't be the case, the Lions have got to cop on there. If they insist on that then they'll get a club coach or some former test coach (Johnson :shock: ) and it would be a disaster imho.
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Willie Falloon wrote:
Ireland's Call wrote:It would be very unfair on Welsh Rugby I have too say if Gatland got the job and was told day goodbye to Wales for a year! Just for a few weeks in Oz. That can't be the case, the Lions have got to cop on there. If they insist on that then they'll get a club coach or some former test coach (Johnson :shock: ) and it would be a disaster imho.
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Willie Falloon wrote:
Ireland's Call wrote:It would be very unfair on Welsh Rugby I have too say if Gatland got the job and was told day goodbye to Wales for a year! Just for a few weeks in Oz. That can't be the case, the Lions have got to cop on there. If they insist on that then they'll get a club coach or some former test coach (Johnson :shock: ) and it would be a disaster imho.
Kidney. :thumbup:
+ A f**king million.
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Just looked at the scrum.com stats there.

Can someone explain to me why our best defensive player only made 8 tackles? Who drugged Ferris? Our player most in form coming into the game and he was nearly anonymous (although sadly not enough in the end!).

SOB is marked down for 18 tackles, none missed. POC 17, 1 missed. Bowe 1, 2 missed :blush:

Also, Sexton nearly kicked as much as a he passed (15 to 18). And only carried once. Completely bizarre set of stats.
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Off topic slightly as not in reference to Ireland game.
But the Mafi to Perpigian deal is apparently signed.
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Armchair_Superstar wrote:To be fair to Earl its not unreasonable to suggest that D'Arcy is past it and we should try our other centrally-contracted specialist 12. It was one of the English guys that said anybody dropping Ferris instead of SOB has probably never been in a ruck. We'd be daft to drop either but we should definitely be looking at how they are used because they are making yard but very few linebreaks.
Dare I say it, but if any of the backrow ought to be dropped, it should be Heaslip. I think SOB would make an awesome 8 and Ferris and O'Mahony (on current form) would make pretty good flankers.
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CambridgeFergal wrote:
Armchair_Superstar wrote:To be fair to Earl its not unreasonable to suggest that D'Arcy is past it and we should try our other centrally-contracted specialist 12. It was one of the English guys that said anybody dropping Ferris instead of SOB has probably never been in a ruck. We'd be daft to drop either but we should definitely be looking at how they are used because they are making yard but very few linebreaks.
Dare I say it, but if any of the backrow ought to be dropped, it should be Heaslip. I think SOB would make an awesome 8 and Ferris and O'Mahony (on current form) would make pretty good flankers.
Missed tackle apart Heaslip was the pick of the backrow. Only player to constantly make ground and put us on the front foot.
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Are you high? Thought Heaslip was our best backrow by a distance yesterday.
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CM11 wrote:
CambridgeFergal wrote:
Armchair_Superstar wrote:To be fair to Earl its not unreasonable to suggest that D'Arcy is past it and we should try our other centrally-contracted specialist 12. It was one of the English guys that said anybody dropping Ferris instead of SOB has probably never been in a ruck. We'd be daft to drop either but we should definitely be looking at how they are used because they are making yard but very few linebreaks.
Dare I say it, but if any of the backrow ought to be dropped, it should be Heaslip. I think SOB would make an awesome 8 and Ferris and O'Mahony (on current form) would make pretty good flankers.
Missed tackle apart Heaslip was the pick of the backrow. Only player to constantly make ground and put us on the front foot.
Dropping one of the the current trio really is a horrible decision.
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CM11 wrote:Just looked at the scrum.com stats there.

Can someone explain to me why our best defensive player only made 8 tackles? Who drugged Ferris? Our player most in form coming into the game and he was nearly anonymous (although sadly not enough in the end!).

SOB is marked down for 18 tackles, none missed. POC 17, 1 missed. Bowe 1, 2 missed :blush:

Also, Sexton nearly kicked as much as a he passed (15 to 18). And only carried once. Completely bizarre set of stats.
Ferris should be dropped.
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waguser wrote:
CM11 wrote:Just looked at the scrum.com stats there.

Can someone explain to me why our best defensive player only made 8 tackles? Who drugged Ferris? Our player most in form coming into the game and he was nearly anonymous (although sadly not enough in the end!).

SOB is marked down for 18 tackles, none missed. POC 17, 1 missed. Bowe 1, 2 missed :blush:

Also, Sexton nearly kicked as much as a he passed (15 to 18). And only carried once. Completely bizarre set of stats.
Ferris should be dropped.
Well no. But I had high hopes he'd carry our backrow as opposed to be carried. Don't know what was up with him.
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waguser wrote:
CM11 wrote:Just looked at the scrum.com stats there.

Can someone explain to me why our best defensive player only made 8 tackles? Who drugged Ferris? Our player most in form coming into the game and he was nearly anonymous (although sadly not enough in the end!).

SOB is marked down for 18 tackles, none missed. POC 17, 1 missed. Bowe 1, 2 missed :blush:

Also, Sexton nearly kicked as much as a he passed (15 to 18). And only carried once. Completely bizarre set of stats.
Ferris should be dropped.
In my view, Ferris was the best of the backrowers yesterday, in terms of hitting rucks and competing where we were losing the game - at the breakdown. We lost the game because we couldn't get the ball back for minutes at a time, after turning over possession. Heaslip looked good making one or 2 nice breaks, but his opposite number, Faletau, was far more influential on the game; SOB was probably the most disappointing of the 3, given the heights his form reached last season.
Ferris is a top class 6; SOB can play 6 but I'd like to see him at 8 - I don't see him as a good 7, it's shoehorning our "best backrowers" into the team at the expense of a groundhog; Heaslip is a very good 8 but is no 7 either.

In the absence of a latter day Nigel Carr, I think we need to find a 7 who can at least try to play the McCaw/Pocock role, and we then need to make a hard choice between SOB and Heaslip at 8.
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CambridgeFergal wrote:
waguser wrote:
CM11 wrote:Just looked at the scrum.com stats there.

Can someone explain to me why our best defensive player only made 8 tackles? Who drugged Ferris? Our player most in form coming into the game and he was nearly anonymous (although sadly not enough in the end!).

SOB is marked down for 18 tackles, none missed. POC 17, 1 missed. Bowe 1, 2 missed :blush:

Also, Sexton nearly kicked as much as a he passed (15 to 18). And only carried once. Completely bizarre set of stats.
Ferris should be dropped.
In my view, Ferris was the best of the backrowers yesterday, in terms of hitting rucks and competing where we were losing the game - at the breakdown. We lost the game because we couldn't get the ball back for minutes at a time, after turning over possession. Heaslip looked good making one or 2 nice breaks, but his opposite number, Faletau, was far more influential on the game; SOB was probably the most disappointing of the 3, given the heights his form reached last season.
Ferris is a top class 6; SOB can play 6 but I'd like to see him at 8 - I don't see him as a good 7, it's shoehorning our "best backrowers" into the team at the expense of a groundhog; Heaslip is a very good 8 but is no 7 either.

In the absence of a latter day Nigel Carr, I think we need to find a 7 who can at least try to play the McCaw/Pocock role, and we then need to make a hard choice between SOB and Heaslip at 8.
We lost the game in contact not at the breakdown. As our best offensive tackler Ferris has to take some blame for not making the hits he normally makes. If it was tactical that he would hit rucks while SOB tackled then Kidney deserves even more criticism.
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CM11 wrote:Just looked at the scrum.com stats there.

Can someone explain to me why our best defensive player only made 8 tackles? Who drugged Ferris? Our player most in form coming into the game and he was nearly anonymous (although sadly not enough in the end!).

SOB is marked down for 18 tackles, none missed. POC 17, 1 missed. Bowe 1, 2 missed :blush:

Also, Sexton nearly kicked as much as a he passed (15 to 18). And only carried once. Completely bizarre set of stats.
Bowe got isolated against big lads and missed tackles. It was worrying how badly exposed we were.
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anonymous_joe wrote:
CM11 wrote:Just looked at the scrum.com stats there.

Can someone explain to me why our best defensive player only made 8 tackles? Who drugged Ferris? Our player most in form coming into the game and he was nearly anonymous (although sadly not enough in the end!).

SOB is marked down for 18 tackles, none missed. POC 17, 1 missed. Bowe 1, 2 missed :blush:

Also, Sexton nearly kicked as much as a he passed (15 to 18). And only carried once. Completely bizarre set of stats.
Bowe got isolated against big lads and missed tackles. It was worrying how badly exposed we were.
He's not a small lad himself.

I thought he was poor. Maybe it was just by his own standards but he seemed to be playing like it was still 09 and everything he touched turned to gold.
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CM11 wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
CM11 wrote:Just looked at the scrum.com stats there.

Can someone explain to me why our best defensive player only made 8 tackles? Who drugged Ferris? Our player most in form coming into the game and he was nearly anonymous (although sadly not enough in the end!).

SOB is marked down for 18 tackles, none missed. POC 17, 1 missed. Bowe 1, 2 missed :blush:

Also, Sexton nearly kicked as much as a he passed (15 to 18). And only carried once. Completely bizarre set of stats.
Bowe got isolated against big lads and missed tackles. It was worrying how badly exposed we were.
He's not a small lad himself.

I thought he was poor. Maybe it was just by his own standards but he seemed to be playing like it was still 09 and everything he touched turned to gold.
He didn't impress me in defence at all, I'll agree on that, but he was definitely left in positions that sucked balls.
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I think we should be dropping at least one of Ferris Heaslip or SOB

they seem to be far too comfortable as a unit with their collectively sub standard performance.

I'm worried that as a whole there just wasn't enough brain power on the pitch yesterday.
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Scrum.com stats have proven wildly inaccurate in the past.

I thought Heaslip was probably our best backrower in that match with Ferris the worst and SOB in between. We have had games where Ferris is the best and others where SOB has been top dog. Dropping one of the trio would be difficult but at this stage I'd be tempted to do it and fudge POM in at 7 to see how he does.

To be honest I couldn't care less about the difference between coming second in the 6N and coming last, we've spent most of the last f**king decade coming second. We need to change the course we are on because it is clear to everyone it's the wrong one.
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I don't see who we'd drop one of that triumvirate for tbh.
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Apposite wrote:Scrum.com stats have proven wildly inaccurate in the past.

I thought Heaslip was probably our best backrower in that match with Ferris the worst and SOB in between. We have had games where Ferris is the best and others where SOB has been top dog. Dropping one of the trio would be difficult but at this stage I'd be tempted to do it and fudge POM in at 7 to see how he does.

To be honest I couldn't care less about the difference between coming second in the 6N and coming last, we've spent most of the last f**king decade coming second. We need to change the course we are on because it is clear to everyone it's the wrong one.

Isn't it world ranking seeding year?
so it might make a difference
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waguser wrote:I think we should be dropping at least one of Ferris Heaslip or SOB

they seem to be far too comfortable as a unit with their collectively sub standard performance.

I'm worried that as a whole there just wasn't enough brain power on the pitch yesterday.
The issue in defence was no big hits. That's a systems failure/tactical error. Or they're just not good enough.

The issue in attack was an incoherent gameplan going forward. It was only when we went direct that we looked cohesive and this didn't happen often enough. For some reason we thought we could get round Wales and take them on in the outside channels. That was never going to happen.

The personnel are by and large the right people to have on the pitch. A player like Ryan should be starting but he would only be able to influence play so much with such a poorly conceived gameplan. Kidney view of rugby is too simplified these days, he doesn't have the ability to be creative and Ireland aren't good enough nor big enough to win against top sides without being creative.
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Apposite wrote:Scrum.com stats have proven wildly inaccurate in the past.

I thought Heaslip was probably our best backrower in that match with Ferris the worst and SOB in between. We have had games where Ferris is the best and others where SOB has been top dog. Dropping one of the trio would be difficult but at this stage I'd be tempted to do it and fudge POM in at 7 to see how he does.

To be honest I couldn't care less about the difference between coming second in the 6N and coming last, we've spent most of the last f**king decade coming second. We need to change the course we are on because it is clear to everyone it's the wrong one.
scrum.com stats have been proven to not be totally accurate but hardly wildly inaccurate. To use the exact figures would be wrong but if they say one player made 8 tackles and the other 18 then that's roughly the ratio.

The figures for Sexton look right. To be honest I can't even remember his one carry into contact. I thought it was very strange he didn't take the Welsh defence on more. It's certainly a pointer towards not being allowed play his own game.
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Bowe, i suspect, saw what was coming early on when the Welsh started stacking the short side and no one seemed to be interested in covering in any hurry. He was waving his arms about like a windmill. Shortly after, Wales were in for a fully deserved first try. If I were Bowe I would have spent the rest of the game not trusting the defence inside me. This, of course, plays havoc with the decision making process.
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CM11 wrote:
Apposite wrote:Scrum.com stats have proven wildly inaccurate in the past.

I thought Heaslip was probably our best backrower in that match with Ferris the worst and SOB in between. We have had games where Ferris is the best and others where SOB has been top dog. Dropping one of the trio would be difficult but at this stage I'd be tempted to do it and fudge POM in at 7 to see how he does.

To be honest I couldn't care less about the difference between coming second in the 6N and coming last, we've spent most of the last f**king decade coming second. We need to change the course we are on because it is clear to everyone it's the wrong one.
scrum.com stats have been proven to not be totally accurate but hardly wildly inaccurate. To use the exact figures would be wrong but if they say one player made 8 tackles and the other 18 then that's roughly the ratio.

The figures for Sexton look right. To be honest I can't even remember his one carry into contact. I thought it was very strange he didn't take the Welsh defence on more. It's certainly a pointer towards not being allowed play his own game.
OK wildly inaccurate is probably taking it a bit far but they aren't great AFAIK. Agree on Sexton not carrying, very odd.
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anonymous_joe wrote:I don't see who we'd drop one of that triumvirate for tbh.
This.

It's tactics that need to change.

I'm with CM11, the only change we'll see will be Earls for McF.
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waguser wrote:
Apposite wrote:Scrum.com stats have proven wildly inaccurate in the past.

I thought Heaslip was probably our best backrower in that match with Ferris the worst and SOB in between. We have had games where Ferris is the best and others where SOB has been top dog. Dropping one of the trio would be difficult but at this stage I'd be tempted to do it and fudge POM in at 7 to see how he does.

To be honest I couldn't care less about the difference between coming second in the 6N and coming last, we've spent most of the last f**king decade coming second. We need to change the course we are on because it is clear to everyone it's the wrong one.

Isn't it world ranking seeding year?
so it might make a difference
Couldn't give a fudge to be honest. We were top 8 for this one and didn't do anything with it. There will always be excuses to be conservative. If we keep going as we are we are going to be crap in the next RWC anyway so it doesn't matter where we end up.
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There is no other backrow player to drop one of the three for. Nor should we. What's needed is to utilize the players that ARE there, play to their strengths, not change for changes sake. The backrow is not delivering because of the gameplan, not the personnel.
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Dont think Wallace will be involved. Training with Ulster today, surely they would have called him down to Carton House if he was to be invloved v France

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Keith Earls will rejoin the Ireland squad tomorrow as Ireland continue to lick their wounds after their narrow RBS 6 Nations defeat to Wales on Sunday.

The Munster centre was forced to withdraw from the starting XV on Friday for personal reasons but he is expected to be available again for the looming trip to Paris on Saturday night.

Ireland were beaten 21-23 thanks to a late Leigh Halfpenny penalty which was awarded for a 'tip' tackle by Stephen Ferris on Wales second row Ian Evans.

Ireland have no additional injury worries arising out of the match.

Shane Jennings and Denis Hurley have been released back to their provinces for RaboDirect Pro12 action, leaving Ireland with a 30-man squad from which to select the matchday 22 for Paris on Saturday night.

Earls will come into contention for selection in the centres and could also conceivably be named on the wing, particularly if Ireland decide wing Tommy Bowe is needed to bulk up the defence in the middle ahead of a daunting trip clash France.

Phillipe Saint-Andre's men got their campaign off to a winning start with a 30-12 victory over Italy at the Stade De France on Saturday.

Kidney will name the Ireland team to face France at lunchtime on Thursday.
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CambridgeFergal wrote:
waguser wrote:
CM11 wrote:Just looked at the scrum.com stats there.

Can someone explain to me why our best defensive player only made 8 tackles? Who drugged Ferris? Our player most in form coming into the game and he was nearly anonymous (although sadly not enough in the end!).

SOB is marked down for 18 tackles, none missed. POC 17, 1 missed. Bowe 1, 2 missed :blush:

Also, Sexton nearly kicked as much as a he passed (15 to 18). And only carried once. Completely bizarre set of stats.
Ferris should be dropped.
In my view, Ferris was the best of the backrowers yesterday, in terms of hitting rucks and competing where we were losing the game - at the breakdown. We lost the game because we couldn't get the ball back for minutes at a time, after turning over possession. Heaslip looked good making one or 2 nice breaks, but his opposite number, Faletau, was far more influential on the game; SOB was probably the most disappointing of the 3, given the heights his form reached last season.
Ferris is a top class 6; SOB can play 6 but I'd like to see him at 8 - I don't see him as a good 7, it's shoehorning our "best backrowers" into the team at the expense of a groundhog; Heaslip is a very good 8 but is no 7 either.

In the absence of a latter day Nigel Carr, I think we need to find a 7 who can at least try to play the McCaw/Pocock role, and we then need to make a hard choice between SOB and Heaslip at 8.

You need to stop listening to hook, we don't have an international 7, Jennings can't cop it at that level. All others are converts. Listen to him yesterday was pathetic, I just wanted to smash to telly against the wall, listening to that plum after a lose like that is the last thing that is needed, christ I'd love to smash his fat f**king face against the wall never mind the telly. Rant over. So we are left with the 3 guys, they need to be used correctly is all. SOB reminds me alot like Wally, who wasn't/still isn't a natural 7 but he does a pretty good job. The problem isn't personnel, its the tactics. We are too predictable, I can't for the life of me remember remember a single chip over the on rushing welsh defense, mix it up for ffs.
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MunsterMan!!!!! wrote:
CambridgeFergal wrote:
waguser wrote:
CM11 wrote:Just looked at the scrum.com stats there.

Can someone explain to me why our best defensive player only made 8 tackles? Who drugged Ferris? Our player most in form coming into the game and he was nearly anonymous (although sadly not enough in the end!).

SOB is marked down for 18 tackles, none missed. POC 17, 1 missed. Bowe 1, 2 missed :blush:

Also, Sexton nearly kicked as much as a he passed (15 to 18). And only carried once. Completely bizarre set of stats.
Ferris should be dropped.
In my view, Ferris was the best of the backrowers yesterday, in terms of hitting rucks and competing where we were losing the game - at the breakdown. We lost the game because we couldn't get the ball back for minutes at a time, after turning over possession. Heaslip looked good making one or 2 nice breaks, but his opposite number, Faletau, was far more influential on the game; SOB was probably the most disappointing of the 3, given the heights his form reached last season.
Ferris is a top class 6; SOB can play 6 but I'd like to see him at 8 - I don't see him as a good 7, it's shoehorning our "best backrowers" into the team at the expense of a groundhog; Heaslip is a very good 8 but is no 7 either.

In the absence of a latter day Nigel Carr, I think we need to find a 7 who can at least try to play the McCaw/Pocock role, and we then need to make a hard choice between SOB and Heaslip at 8.

You need to stop listening to hook, we don't have an international 7, Jennings can't cop it at that level. All others are converts. Listen to him yesterday was pathetic, I just wanted to smash to telly against the wall, listening to that plum after a lose like that is the last thing that is needed, christ I'd love to smash his fat f**king face against the wall never mind the telly. Rant over. So we are left with the 3 guys, they need to be used correctly is all. SOB reminds me alot like Wally, who wasn't/still isn't a natural 7 but he does a pretty good job. The problem isn't personnel, its the tactics. We are too predictable, I can't for the life of me remember remember a single chip over the on rushing welsh defense, mix it up for ffs.
I think there was one chip but it was too long if memory serves.

Attack is easier to fix than defence and there were a few positives in that regard IMO. We'll get there.

In defence we just look weak in contact, Rougerie's going to have a field day.
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MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: You need to stop listening to hook, we don't have an international 7, Jennings can't cop it at that level. All others are converts.

So we are left with the 3 guys, they need to be used correctly is all. SOB reminds me alot like Wally, who wasn't/still isn't a natural 7 but he does a pretty good job. The problem isn't personnel, its the tactics. We are too predictable, I can't for the life of me remember remember a single chip over the on rushing welsh defense, mix it up for ffs.
This, every word of this. (I took out the bits about you-know-who because even the memory of him makes me angry).
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CM11 wrote:Just looked at the scrum.com stats there.

Can someone explain to me why our best defensive player only made 8 tackles? Who drugged Ferris? Our player most in form coming into the game and he was nearly anonymous (although sadly not enough in the end!).

SOB is marked down for 18 tackles, none missed. POC 17, 1 missed. Bowe 1, 2 missed :blush:

Also, Sexton nearly kicked as much as a he passed (15 to 18). And only carried once. Completely bizarre set of stats.
I thought tackle counts was missing the point?
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