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Willie Falloon wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:Lots of clutch players in the Irish 15. Pom Murray Sexton Henderson best Healy furlong etc have always delivered for their provinces and international team when the need is most. I expect us to produce a decent performance. We might miss kearneys security but the upside is larmour is a weapon going forward.


Sow it into them lads
For me Henderson and Furlong are the big ones there. When both are on song and fired up they are as good as any prop or lock (aside from Retallick) in world rugby. Freakish power.
Henderson and Ryan, if they can improve as a lineout unit as time goes on, will be freakish.
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Negativity towards Larmour's aerial ability is bizarre. He's not Kearney but few are.
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Floppykid wrote:I'm listening to too many podcasts, got me incredibly worried about our back three and lineout. :lol:
Hogg isn't exactly someone who's going to bully Larmour in the air, but still, Maitland and Seymour are great in the air.
Delighted Laidlaw is starting though.
We've 3 lads who have all played 15. We should be ok.
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Larmour is small, which is my worry for him as a 15.
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CM11 wrote:Negativity towards Larmour's aerial ability is bizarre. He's not Kearney but few are.
I don't think it's bizarre, I guarantee you instantly knew where it's coming from.
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CM11 wrote:Negativity towards Larmour's aerial ability is bizarre. He's not Kearney but few are.
Rob Kearney’s last decent performance in the air
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Spoilers please ffs.
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Lads if what jake posted on the howley thread are true it’s f**king going to go nuclear - and imagine it’s unlikely to be confined to just Wales
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Floppykid wrote:Larmour is small, which is my worry for him as a 15.
He is small, but then we have become so used to excellence in the air from 15 over the last decade plus that we don't realise how well we have been served. We have had Kearney since 2006 winning 92 caps and he was preceded by the Prince of full backs Girvan Dempsey who won 82 caps in his 10 year international career. Other players drifted in and out over that 20 plus year period but they were the big 2. I can't think of any other country who have been as well served at 15 as we have.
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Liathroidigloine wrote:
Floppykid wrote:Larmour is small, which is my worry for him as a 15.
He is small, but then we have become so used to excellence in the air from 15 over the last decade plus that we don't realise how well we have been served. We have had Kearney since 2006 winning 92 caps and he was preceded by the Prince of full backs Girvan Dempsey who won 82 caps in his 10 year international career. Other players drifted in and out over that 20 plus year period but they were the big 2. I can't think of any other country who have been as well served at 15 as we have.
Meanwhile other teams counterattack.
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NZ had Ben Smith, so uhh, them?
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Australia and Folau.

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The Oracle, Neil Francis, described the bench as weak. Frankly, is it just me or is he f**king clueless. I think it is a terrific bench.
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Also, as has been pointed out, we'll probably play with both Larmour and Conway at the back so it's more in attack or through the hands defence where the number on the back is relevant.
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Adetroy wrote:The Oracle, Neil Francis, described the bench as weak. Frankly, is it just me or is he f**king clueless. I think it is a terrific bench.
I'm guessing he doesn't rate Beirne or Scannell nor McGrath and Carty.

I think it's a good bench that will keep the pressure on but not sure I'd go as far as terrific.
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Adetroy wrote:The Oracle, Neil Francis, described the bench as weak. Frankly, is it just me or is he f**king clueless. I think it is a terrific bench.
It's definitely a lot weaker given the injuries and the decision to omit Cronin. Still got some cracking options though in Killer, Beirne and Conan.
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The Oracle, Neil Francis, described the bench as weak. Frankly, is it just me or is he f**king clueless. I think it is a terrific bench.
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Forwards replacements are very good, excellent even. Especially considering the approach that the team is likely to take in the game. There'll be no letup from the physicality.
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Flametop wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
Floppykid wrote:Larmour is small, which is my worry for him as a 15.
He is small, but then we have become so used to excellence in the air from 15 over the last decade plus that we don't realise how well we have been served. We have had Kearney since 2006 winning 92 caps and he was preceded by the Prince of full backs Girvan Dempsey who won 82 caps in his 10 year international career. Other players drifted in and out over that 20 plus year period but they were the big 2. I can't think of any other country who have been as well served at 15 as we have.
Meanwhile other teams counterattack.
I always picked the solid lad ahead of the flash lad at 15. You always want the lad who makes least mistakes and covers the best. That's why I regard Girve as the best full back we ever had. His 19 tries were an added bonus.
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An injury to wing ,9 or 10 and things get a bit hairy.
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Nolanator wrote:Forwards replacements are very good, excellent even. Especially considering the approach that the team is likely to take in the game. There'll be no letup from the physicality.
Beirne will be a step down from Ryan or Hendo from a physical perspective but it wouldn't surprise me if both of them played 80 with Beirne coming on for POM.

Kilcoyne is the standout from an impact perspective. Everyone else will do better holding onto a lead rather than chasing the game.
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Flametop wrote:An injury to wing ,9 or 10 and things get a bit hairy.
All three would be terrible, yes. One would be fine as would 2 if one was wing.
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CM11 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Forwards replacements are very good, excellent even. Especially considering the approach that the team is likely to take in the game. There'll be no letup from the physicality.
Beirne will be a step down from Ryan or Hendo from a physical perspective but it wouldn't surprise me if both of them played 80 with Beirne coming on for POM.

Kilcoyne is the standout from an impact perspective. Everyone else will do better holding onto a lead rather than chasing the game.
I'd bet on beirne coming on in the backrow. At least to start with. Maybe Conan comes on for Hendie and Beirne and CJ move up one. Keeps the beef on the field.
Cronin would be better for pure impact, but presumably they're worried about setpiece consistency.
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Duff Paddy wrote:Lads if what jake posted on the howley thread are true it’s f**king going to go nuclear - and imagine it’s unlikely to be confined to just Wales
I’d like to think Joe and the lads aren’t as thick as those Welsh/Kiwi/English spackers
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CM11 wrote:
Flametop wrote:An injury to wing ,9 or 10 and things get a bit hairy.
All three would be terrible, yes. One would be fine as would 2 if one was wing.
You’d be happy with Ringrose shifting to wing then?
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CM11 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Forwards replacements are very good, excellent even. Especially considering the approach that the team is likely to take in the game. There'll be no letup from the physicality.
Beirne will be a step down from Ryan or Hendo from a physical perspective but it wouldn't surprise me if both of them played 80 with Beirne coming on for POM.

Kilcoyne is the standout from an impact perspective. Everyone else will do better holding onto a lead rather than chasing the game.
McGrath is very good if you do want to just hold onto a lead it's got to be said, that daft box kick against Sarries notwithstanding.

Think more against the All Blacks where he came on and took all the tempo out of the game. That and being a great defender.
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Jim Lahey wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Lads if what jake posted on the howley thread are true it’s f**king going to go nuclear - and imagine it’s unlikely to be confined to just Wales
I’d like to think Joe and the lads aren’t as thick as those Welsh/Kiwi/English spackers
Just to save anyone having to go look:
1. Gatland and Edwards also involved, partic latter.
2. Money laundering via RH's resturant (Cafe 55 in Brigend- he transferred share holdings a few days ago)
3. Bet on Rhys Webb NOT to go to RWC.
4. Julie Paterson, Team PA has gone 'missing' and is believed to be doing some form of internal investigation pending arrival of Martyn Phillips
5. McBryde not implicated.
6. They would bet on the type of first score then engineer moves to make that happen (not sure how)
7. They bet 6K on England to win at Twickers in warm ups
Note McBryde not involved, only the right sort for Leinster.

If they bet on Rhys Webb to not go to the RWC and then in fact didn't select him for the RWC that has to be a crime of some sort surely. I find that hard to believe.
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I dunno, Jake has contacts and works for this website as a journo, he was risking a lot posting that and it definitely didn't come from nowhere.
We'll see I guess but I at least believe there's more to it that just one stupid bet from a gambling addict.
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Well fúck me.
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Where’s the original Howley thread which has some hints in it from the points he raised? If it came out of the blue I wouldnt buy it, but given what else has come on it’s maybe slightly more believable
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I knew that twickenham result was dodgy as fudge
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Flametop wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Flametop wrote:An injury to wing ,9 or 10 and things get a bit hairy.
All three would be terrible, yes. One would be fine as would 2 if one was wing.
You’d be happy with Ringrose shifting to wing then?
I'd prefer it didn't have to happen but yes, I think we could survive.
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Ulsters Red Hand wrote:Where’s the original Howley thread which has some hints in it from the points he raised? If it came out of the blue I wouldnt buy it, but given what else has come on it’s maybe slightly more believable
Maybe Jake is playing a prank on all of us, it'd be a dumb prank to play though given his career.
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There is no bookie taking a stake large enough on the Rhys Webb thing to make it worthwhile.
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TheBouncer wrote:There is no bookie taking a stake large enough on the Rhys Webb thing to make it worthwhile.
I mean he hasn’t played in a couple of years.
Would be like Joe placing a bet on Ferg not being in the squad.
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TheBouncer wrote:There is no bookie taking a stake large enough on the Rhys Webb thing to make it worthwhile.
Do you believe anything Jake said?
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Jim Lahey wrote:
TheBouncer wrote:There is no bookie taking a stake large enough on the Rhys Webb thing to make it worthwhile.
I mean he hasn’t played in a couple of years.
Would be like Joe placing a bet on Ferg not being in the squad.
Dave would have been worth a punt.
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I read that about Webb as a suggestion from Jake. I’d, “you can bet Rhys Webb won’t be going...” with the implication that Webb was somehow involved.

I may have been completely wrong, though.

I’m sure there are ways around these things, but I would think in this day and age that no bookie would even take the bets from someone they suspected was on the inside. Especially when it relates to things like a 2nd minute drop goal, or who will be the 28th name in the RWC squad etc.
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Flametop wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:
TheBouncer wrote:There is no bookie taking a stake large enough on the Rhys Webb thing to make it worthwhile.
I mean he hasn’t played in a couple of years.
Would be like Joe placing a bet on Ferg not being in the squad.
Dave would have been worth a punt.
He’d have probably dropped it though
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TheBouncer wrote:There is no bookie taking a stake large enough on the Rhys Webb thing to make it worthwhile.
They wouldn’t be placing large bets unless they were completely stupid - or if the Chinese were involved
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