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:lol:

Liginds one and all.
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Liginds. :lol:
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danthefan wrote:
Teenage_hooker wrote:
danthefan wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Flametop wrote:Other than Toner the tight five got parity.
The back row got eaten alive.
Stick to cribbing about refs.
"VdF is an ESF"

Stick to the NAMA thread.

Oh, wait...
Just a SF then, he was absolutely useless today and you'd have to go back a while to find the last time he had a big game in green.

Furlong made zero metres, herring didn't carry in the first half, Healy was looking past it before hobbling off and Toner showed why we trust in Joe. Only when we had killer, Porter and Ultan on did the scrum stabilise and even then Kelleher couldn't hit a barn door in the line out. But apparently that's parity.
All the Munster lads were class. Let down by their teammates really.
Ryan helped a bit, bit he's not the baby eating second row we need
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Ryan was a hair away from getting a card today which is exactly what you want from your second row.
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Ryan did well, another international standard second row first given a senior cap by Munster.
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There a touch of the Kerryman pub quiz champion about anyone trying to score provincial points today.

Murray, Sexton and Stockdale were in equal measure the worst players on the (or any) pitch this afternoon. Aki wasn't a million miles behind.
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diarm wrote:There a touch of the Kerryman pub quiz champion about anyone trying to score provincial points today.

Murray, Sexton and Stockdale were in equal measure the worst players on the (or any) pitch this afternoon. Aki wasn't a million miles behind.
Aki made a few yards with the ball at one point which puts him ahead of most players I reckon.

The whole system is broken right now.
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Flametop wrote:In the first half England dropped their own scrum when it was going backwards and it was play on from the 8’s feet. Only later after the subs came on that the scrum penalties went against us.

Itoje was causing havoc all day and nobody did anything about it.
Genge spent every scrum with his arse at 45 deg to the scrum.

Before their third try Peyper blew up two collapses caused by this, and specifically told Genge to scrum straight. Third time around he did the same and England got the penalty ! Turnover ball, and they scored from it.

I'd love for all refs to play TH so that they could realise how restricted a THs movement is caught between the oppos LH and hooker. If a scrum is collapsing in on itself, or even doing the lateral two step, 8/10 times the cause is a LH scrumming sideways.
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crouchy wrote:
diarm wrote:There a touch of the Kerryman pub quiz champion about anyone trying to score provincial points today.

Murray, Sexton and Stockdale were in equal measure the worst players on the (or any) pitch this afternoon. Aki wasn't a million miles behind.
Aki made a few yards with the ball at one point which puts him ahead of most players I reckon.

The whole system is broken right now.
Would you ever feck off with that kind of shite. England weren't great today, and it still needed two defensive fúck ups by us to let them win the match. We're neither as good as the smoke being blown up the teams hole last week, nor as poor as is being made out here. We'll beat Italy easily enough, and hopefully Farrell will pick the right team against France.

We're back to 6N as it should be, with no team really dominant, and results, consequently all over the place.
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RADGE
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camroc1 wrote:
crouchy wrote:
diarm wrote:There a touch of the Kerryman pub quiz champion about anyone trying to score provincial points today.

Murray, Sexton and Stockdale were in equal measure the worst players on the (or any) pitch this afternoon. Aki wasn't a million miles behind.
Aki made a few yards with the ball at one point which puts him ahead of most players I reckon.

The whole system is broken right now.
Would you ever feck off with that kind of shite. England weren't great today, and it still needed two defensive fúck ups by us to let them win the match. We're neither as good as the smoke being blown up the teams hole last week, nor as poor as is being made out here. We'll beat Italy easily enough, and hopefully Farrell will pick the right team against France.

We're back to 6N as it should be, with no team really dominant, and results, consequently all over the place.
:lol:

England weren't great but they were miles better than Ireland and had the game won by half time. Would you ever stop with this nonsense of trying to make a purse out of a sows ear.
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camroc1 wrote:
Flametop wrote:In the first half England dropped their own scrum when it was going backwards and it was play on from the 8’s feet. Only later after the subs came on that the scrum penalties went against us.

Itoje was causing havoc all day and nobody did anything about it.
Genge spent every scrum with his arse at 45 deg to the scrum.

Before their third try Peyper blew up two collapses caused by this, and specifically told Genge to scrum straight. Third time around he did the same and England got the penalty ! Turnover ball, and they scored from it.

I'd love for all refs to play TH so that they could realise how restricted a THs movement is caught between the oppos LH and hooker. If a scrum is collapsing in on itself, or even doing the lateral two step, 8/10 times the cause is a LH scrumming sideways.
Peyper is a clown and somebody rightfully said that he’s going to be responsible for somebody getting seriously injured. Ryan was the only one who responded to how he was “officiating” and if he had torpedoed any harder he might have been under suspicion for the Lusitania going down.
England were up to all sorts of shenanigans (are any refs policing maul offsides/collapses any more?) but we didn’t deal with it.
With Peyper, if you lose the gainline you lose the match.
Turnovers only are awarded after about 10 seconds of isolation.
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Still no way to watch the U20s?
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Floppykid wrote:Still no way to watch the U20s?
A DeLorean car and a flux capacitor looks like your best bet. If you find a copy let us know.
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YOYO wrote:
Floppykid wrote:Still no way to watch the U20s?
A DeLorean car and a flux capacitor looks like your best bet. If you find a copy let us know.
Maybe it's somewhere on ATT but I don't know on which subforum.
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Let's not lose sight of things.

Horgan might have been dumb enough to suggest that we just; ignore the two colossal fuckups, that gifted two tries to England; but the rest of us shouldn't be !

To concede one such try would be bad; but two, is just extraordinary !

Bad, an all as we were; we still gifted England their winning margin.
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Standers ball and chain. Farrell Jr is lucky he has a head left on that neck.

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Teenage_hooker wrote:
danthefan wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Flametop wrote:Other than Toner the tight five got parity.
The back row got eaten alive.
Stick to cribbing about refs.
"VdF is an ESF"

Stick to the NAMA thread.

Oh, wait...
Just a SF then, he was absolutely useless today and you'd have to go back a while to find the last time he had a big game in green.

Furlong made zero metres, herring didn't carry in the first half, Healy was looking past it before hobbling off and Toner showed why we trust in Joe. Only when we had killer, Porter and Ultan on did the scrum stabilise and even then Kelleher couldn't hit a barn door in the line out. But apparently that's parity.
That's just not true.
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Sexton's fudge up looks worse on replay.
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fishfoodie wrote:Let's not lose sight of things.

Horgan might have been dumb enough to suggest that we just; ignore the two colossal fuckups, that gifted two tries to England; but the rest of us shouldn't be !

To concede one such try would be bad; but two, is just extraordinary !

Bad, an all as we were; we still gifted England their winning margin.
They got those scores because we were bad, not a separate issue.
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YOYO wrote:Standers ball and chain. Farrell Jr is lucky he has a head left on that neck.

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If the old-fashioned rucking rules were in place, he wouldn't have been hanging on .....
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That’s for sure. :nod:
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YOYO wrote:Standers ball and chain. Farrell Jr is lucky he has a head left on that neck.

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Despite looking right at it, Peyper wasn't going to blow for a penalty there only for the fact the touch judge started screaming in his ear.
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Floppykid wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:Let's not lose sight of things.

Horgan might have been dumb enough to suggest that we just; ignore the two colossal fuckups, that gifted two tries to England; but the rest of us shouldn't be !

To concede one such try would be bad; but two, is just extraordinary !

Bad, an all as we were; we still gifted England their winning margin.
They got those scores because we were bad, not a separate issue.
Perhaps. For Sexton's, he shouldn't have been the one collecting the ball; Carbury was running in, & checked because Sexton was there; Carbury should have claimed it, & then Sexton could have protected it.

Stockdales was just unforgivable; sorry; he could have collected it, or blocked the attacking player; or just kicked the fecking ball into row z .... he didn't make a decent job of any of these; & the only thing he achieved, was to provide material for a dozen coaching videos ... :((
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They weren't good enough to handle those kicks.
That's it.
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Why would Stockdale care, he’s just been handed his cushy central contract
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The international game has gotten too fast for Sexton and Stockdale now has a litany of mistakes at international level, that being a bad capstone.
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YOYO wrote:Standers ball and chain. Farrell Jr is lucky he has a head left on that neck.

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He shoulda taken over kicking duty from Sexto
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Floppykid wrote:The international game has gotten too fast for Sexton and Stockdale now has a litany of mistakes at international level, that being a bad capstone.
There's a difference between just being caught out by the bounce of the ball, & running onto a ball, & not having a bloody clue what to do.

That's what I mean by the Stockdales; second offense being unforgivable; he should have seen the first fuckup, & immediately set his defensive response to; 'safety first'; instead he was distinctly average in his defense.

That's not to say that he get's thrown aside; just that he needs to pick up his game before he gets picked again.
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crouchy wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
crouchy wrote:
diarm wrote:There a touch of the Kerryman pub quiz champion about anyone trying to score provincial points today.

Murray, Sexton and Stockdale were in equal measure the worst players on the (or any) pitch this afternoon. Aki wasn't a million miles behind.
Aki made a few yards with the ball at one point which puts him ahead of most players I reckon.

The whole system is broken right now.
Would you ever feck off with that kind of shite. England weren't great today, and it still needed two defensive fúck ups by us to let them win the match. We're neither as good as the smoke being blown up the teams hole last week, nor as poor as is being made out here. We'll beat Italy easily enough, and hopefully Farrell will pick the right team against France.

We're back to 6N as it should be, with no team really dominant, and results, consequently all over the place.
:lol:

England weren't great but they were miles better than Ireland and had the game won by half time. Would you ever stop with this nonsense of trying to make a purse out of a sows ear.
Camroc has a point that for all their domination of the collisions and contact area, England still only got 2 tries off lucky bounces in the first half. So if you were a defensive coach with England coming up, you wouldn’t be too worried providing you have a competent back 3.

But England were excellent in defence, and the worry for Ireland has to be the complete inability to create anything close in, or out wide, or in the air to cause them any trouble.
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Whatever about 10, where the cupboard is bare with Joey injured, having Cooney on the bench behind a dreadful Murray is criminal.

Turns out the know nothing armchair pundits are better at picking international scrum halves than Andy Farrell.

Irish rugby needs a good kick up the arse. Start by putting POM and Murray out to pasture.
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DOB wrote: But England were excellent in defence, and the worry for Ireland has to be the complete inability to create anything close in, or out wide, or in the air to cause them any trouble.
and this comes back to the old chestnut for every team; except NZ; that professional teams seem unable to look at what's in front of them, & what the officials are picking up, & adjusting !

Just look at the difference with Ireland after half-time today.

If we were looking for one magic player for the next season; it wouldn't be because of their physical prowess; it would be for their ability to analyse the opponent, & adjust the focus of the guys on the pitch.
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Jumper is another steadfast in his belief that the key to success is more fellas from a mid table pro 14 side.
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Mullet 2 wrote:Jumper is another steadfast in his belief that the key to success is more fellas from a mid table pro 14 side.
For the avoidance of doubt, is this the same team who failed miserably at getting to the spiv Cup knockouts this season? That mid table pro14 side? Just need to make sure we're all on the same page.
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Ouch.

“ Selecting Conor Murray for his kicking is like voting Fine Gael for their housing policy”

https://independent.ie/sport/rugby/six- ... 83652.html

Anybody behind the paywall want to post this please?
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RWC2015 wrote:
Turns out the know nothing armchair pundits are better at picking international scrum halves than Johnny Sexton.
Fixed that for you.
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Flametop wrote:Ouch.

“ Selecting Conor Murray for his kicking is like voting Fine Gael for their housing policy”

https://independent.ie/sport/rugby/six- ... 83652.html

Anybody behind the paywall want to post this please?
Memo to Andy Farrell: The 2019 World Cup actually happened. Just because people called it a nightmare didn't mean it was a figment of their imagination.

The Irish head coach has put an intriguing new twist on an old adage. Instead of 'if ain't broke, don't fix it,' he's gone for, 'it if is broke, pretend it ain't broke and maybe it might fix itself.'

This attitude might have been appropriate at the time of Farrell's appointment, soon after Ireland followed a Grand Slam with a win over the All Blacks, but things have changed since then.

At Twickenham on Sunday, Joe Schmidt was found not guilty. Ireland's moderately encouraging start to the Six Nations led to absurd suggestions that replacing our greatest ever coach with his deputy magically made everything hunky dory.

But this crushing defeat was like the worst of 2019 all over again. Take the half-back problem. Last year's big concern was the loss of form suffered by Conor Murray and Johnny Sexton. We waited patiently for them to bounce back.

Like Diana Ross, we're still waiting. That form has proved more elusive than Lord Lucan. Murray has been on the crest of a slump for over a year and yesterday's disastrous 54 minutes put the tin hat on things.

The umpteenth poor box-kick of the scrum-half's annus horribilis led to England's second try in the 24th minute. Four minutes later, a similar effort enabled Elliot Daly to push Ireland back from halfway to inside their own 22. By half-time, Murray had seen another kick charged down by Maro Itoje, been caught in possession and endured an awful time.

Once more John Cooney improved things when he came in. The pretence that there's a debate to be had over the scrum-half position can only be explained by the traditional deference extended to Irish rugby managers. One player is having the best season of his life, the other his worst.

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Murray should not have started against Scotland, Wales or England. Suggestions he's being picked for his superior kicking game beggar belief. At the moment, selecting Conor Murray for his kicking is like voting Fine Gael for their housing policy.

Sexton has not been as unremittingly dire as his partner over the past 12 months. But his last two outings against world-class opposition have been the two worst of his international career. His performance was bad enough to make you nostalgic for his display against the All Blacks in the World Cup quarter-final.

By the 14th minute, he'd already cost Ireland 10 points. First he repeated the worrying indecision evident in his attempted purchase of a 'Sexton Sandwich' on TV and gifted a try to George Ford. He went on to miss a scoreable penalty and a conversion you'd expect him to make by margins rarely seen at this level.

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A touch kick to the corner was too short to give the Irish maul a chance to go for the line, restarts went down English throats. Joey Carbery's injury means there's no immediate replacement for Sexton. But Ireland need to find one over the next year.

Farrell's decision to make the 34-year-old captain looks ever more ill-advised. This has been a great career but the endgame has begun.

Ireland seemed stale. Same as last year. How can it be any different when the coach is picking the same players? England's starting team contained just seven starters from the side beaten by Ireland two years ago. Ireland's contained 12 from the one hammered by England last year in Dublin.

Contrast our caution with the bravery shown by the team currently leading the Six Nations. France have given youth its fling and been hugely rewarded. Their man of the match against Wales, Romain Ntamack, is just 20 years old. Were he Irish, he'd hardly be capped before the 2023 World Cup. Two other stars of this year's Championship, Gregory Alldritt and Antoine Dupont, are 22 and 23 respectively.

The average age of the starting French team against Wales was 25. It contained just one player over 27. Eight of the Irish starters were 29 or over.

The Irish team seems to be run on civil service lines. It's harder to get out of it than into it. Two years ago the Grand Slam victory owed a lot to Schmidt's gamble on 21-year-olds James Ryan and Jacob Stockdale. Now conservatism rules.

Farrell's partisans told us he would pick on form. He hasn't. They told us Ireland would play a more expansive game. That hasn't happened either. After the game Farrell tried to talk up the effect Ireland's last-minute try might have on the title race. Just call him Comical Andy.

Temptation

Maybe there'll be changes against Italy. But the real test will be whether Farrell has the courage to start the likes of Cooney, Caelan Doris, Max Deegan and Rónan Kelleher in Paris. The temptation will be to pick old dogs for the hard road and hope superior nous might enable them to spoil their way to victory.

That seems unlikely but, even if it did happen, how useful would that be in the long term? France have already gotten a head start for 2023 while this is starting to look like another wasted year for Ireland. The veterans got one lap of honour last year. They don't need another one.

You wonder if Andy Farrell thinks this is about as good as Ireland can be. You wonder if he thinks we should be happy enough with the occasional surprise win and praise for our fighting spirit. You wonder if he thinks of us as a second division England.

Maybe not. But he's got a big decision to make. He can either be the senior players' pal or he can be the man who drives Ireland on to the next World Cup.

He can't be both.
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Anyone at the game and see how Sexton was kicking during the warm up?
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Whats the news with Healy's injury?
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