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There were a couple of notable Irish drop goals from distance in that period which might have given some the impression that we were trying them all the time but apart from Kearney trying to replicate his over the years, it wasn't really something that was attempted much.


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I got the impression Kearney was a great man to drop a long range goal in training. He could hardly ever pull it off in a game.


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I got the impression Kearney was a great man to drop a long range goal in training. He could hardly ever pull it off in a game.


He did pull it off in a game early in his career. That's why he kept on thinking he could do it.

https://youtu.be/mNae0BKHW3c

Actually he did get another decent one

https://youtu.be/YrcE46eMK0g


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That was also the era of Francois Steyn
Famous for never taking a drop goal.


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CM11 wrote:
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I got the impression Kearney was a great man to drop a long range goal in training. He could hardly ever pull it off in a game.


He did pull it off in a game early in his career. That's why he kept on thinking he could do it.

https://youtu.be/mNae0BKHW3c

Actually he did get another decent one

https://youtu.be/YrcE46eMK0g


Sextons two were better:

The 2009 HEC final

And that other one well never forget that doesn't need to be named


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iarmhiman wrote:
CM11 wrote:
YOYO wrote:
I got the impression Kearney was a great man to drop a long range goal in training. He could hardly ever pull it off in a game.


He did pull it off in a game early in his career. That's why he kept on thinking he could do it.

https://youtu.be/mNae0BKHW3c

Actually he did get another decent one

https://youtu.be/YrcE46eMK0g


Sextons two were better:

The 2009 HEC final

And that other one well never forget that doesn't need to be named


There’s a photo of the Sexton drop goal. I’m in the background


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iarmhiman wrote:
CM11 wrote:
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I got the impression Kearney was a great man to drop a long range goal in training. He could hardly ever pull it off in a game.


He did pull it off in a game early in his career. That's why he kept on thinking he could do it.

https://youtu.be/mNae0BKHW3c

Actually he did get another decent one

https://youtu.be/YrcE46eMK0g


Sextons two were better:

The 2009 HEC final

And that other one well never forget that doesn't need to be named

Didn't Sexy also get one against Cardiff in the Christmas HEC fixture at LR one year ? The same match that BOD scored the try without a hand being laid on him after Fitz came off his wing at a lineout.


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Wasn't that the QF? Bath was the Christmas game.


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Wasn't that the QF? Bath was the Christmas game.


It was the Bath game at Christmas he did that drop goal


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iarmhiman wrote:
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Wasn't that the QF? Bath was the Christmas game.


It was the Bath game at Christmas he did that drop goal

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iarmhiman wrote:
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Wasn't that the QF? Bath was the Christmas game.


It was the Bath game at Christmas he did that drop goal

:thumbup:


I love that try BOD scored against Cardiff, peak Joe movez https://youtu.be/PT35orm5-SE
Leinster played some incredible rugby on the way to their 2012 win, often overshadowed by the success of the previous year when people look back through history. That try, Luke’s v Bath and Healy’s against Clermont are a few that stand out from the 2011/12 campaign


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Bad miss tackle here from Jennings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoB3WLCBI_s


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Bad miss tackle here from Jennings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoB3WLCBI_s


Niall Ronan at 6? x(

Neither flanker covered themselves in glory there ...

Chris Henry was 8 in that game too IIRC ..... where were Heaslip, Ferris, SOB, Wallace, Leamy et al during that trip down under?


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Conspicuous wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Wasn't that the QF? Bath was the Christmas game.


It was the Bath game at Christmas he did that drop goal

:thumbup:


I love that try BOD scored against Cardiff, peak Joe movez https://youtu.be/PT35orm5-SE
Leinster played some incredible rugby on the way to their 2012 win, often overshadowed by the success of the previous year when people look back through history. That try, Luke’s v Bath and Healy’s against Clermont are a few that stand out from the 2011/12 campaign

So many/most of the peak Joe movez involved BOD though, when you look back at the video of Leinsters greatest tries it really highlights how he was such a phenomenal player he was.


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Willie Falloon wrote:
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Nolanator wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Wasn't that the QF? Bath was the Christmas game.


It was the Bath game at Christmas he did that drop goal

:thumbup:


I love that try BOD scored against Cardiff, peak Joe movez https://youtu.be/PT35orm5-SE
Leinster played some incredible rugby on the way to their 2012 win, often overshadowed by the success of the previous year when people look back through history. That try, Luke’s v Bath and Healy’s against Clermont are a few that stand out from the 2011/12 campaign

So many/most of the peak Joe movez involved BOD though, when you look back at the video of Leinsters greatest tries it really highlights how he was such a phenomenal player he was.


Maybe you picked the wrong example?
That’s the very definition of a team try.


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rfurlong wrote:
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Bad miss tackle here from Jennings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoB3WLCBI_s


Niall Ronan at 6? x(

Neither flanker covered themselves in glory there ...

Chris Henry was 8 in that game too IIRC ..... where were Heaslip, Ferris, SOB, Wallace, Leamy et al during that trip down under?


That was 2010 wasn’t it ? It was the last match of the season and we’d suffered a spate of injuries along with Heaslip being suspended. Rhys Ruddock made his debut in that match as a 19 year old having been drafted in from the u-20 squad


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Did we mention Bo'D'S dg against England and was it a manky scrape over the bar.


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Did we mention Bo'D'S dg against England and was it a manky scrape over the bar.


BOD was great that Grand Slam. Possibly the best rugby he played.
He had a hell of a task making up for ROG stinking up the place, drop goal aside.


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Did we mention Bo'D'S dg against England and was it a manky scrape over the bar.


BOD was great that Grand Slam. Possibly the best rugby he played.
He had a hell of a task making up for ROG stinking up the place, drop goal aside.


Best? No. Most important contributions over the course of a competition? Yep. He had already started to become a shadow of his former self in terms of running ability but made up for it with clinical precision.


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rfurlong wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Bad miss tackle here from Jennings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoB3WLCBI_s


Niall Ronan at 6? x(

Neither flanker covered themselves in glory there ...

Chris Henry was 8 in that game too IIRC ..... where were Heaslip, Ferris, SOB, Wallace, Leamy et al during that trip down under?


Two weeks earlier we played the Knee-slip game against BNZ (lost 28-66). That team was:
Healy, Cronin, Buckley, DOC, MOD, Muldoon, Wallace, Heaslip,
TOL, ROG, Trimble, D'Arcy, BOD, Bowe, Kearney,
subs: Foragty, Court, Tuohy, Jennings, Reddan, Sexton, G Murphy


One week before, we played the Maoris (lost 28-31) with:

Horan, Fogarty, Court, O'Donaghue, Tuohy, Ruddock, Ronan, Henry,
Reddan, Sexton, J Murphy, Wallace, Duffy, Horgan, G Murphy,
subs: Varley, Hayes, DOC, Wallace, Stringer, ROG, Kearney


Then it was Australia (lost 15-22) with what was left:

Healy, Cronin, Buckley, DOC, MOD, Ronan, Jennings, Henry,
TOL, Sexton, Trimble, Wallace, BOD, Bowe, Kearney,
subs: Varley, Court, Tuohy, Ruddock, Reddan, ROG, G Murphy



Some horrific combinations there...


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Was that Australia game the one where BOD scored after a break by Bowe up the left? Big Wallace skip pass out to Kearney who put Bowe free.

Edit, no. 2008. The width on the ball from those two passes from Reddan and Wallace is glorious.

https://youtu.be/n9jltodVhAU

He ruined his hammie making that run.


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Yer Man wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Bad miss tackle here from Jennings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoB3WLCBI_s


Niall Ronan at 6? x(

Neither flanker covered themselves in glory there ...

Chris Henry was 8 in that game too IIRC ..... where were Heaslip, Ferris, SOB, Wallace, Leamy et al during that trip down under?


Two weeks earlier we played the Knee-slip game against BNZ (lost 28-66). That team was:
Healy, Cronin, Buckley, DOC, MOD, Muldoon, Wallace, Heaslip,
TOL, ROG, Trimble, D'Arcy, BOD, Bowe, Kearney,
subs: Foragty, Court, Tuohy, Jennings, Reddan, Sexton, G Murphy


One week before, we played the Maoris (lost 28-31) with:

Horan, Fogarty, Court, O'Donaghue, Tuohy, Ruddock, Ronan, Henry,
Reddan, Sexton, J Murphy, Wallace, Duffy, Horgan, G Murphy,
subs: Varley, Hayes, DOC, Wallace, Stringer, ROG, Kearney


Then it was Australia (lost 15-22) with what was left:

Healy, Cronin, Buckley, DOC, MOD, Ronan, Jennings, Henry,
TOL, Sexton, Trimble, Wallace, BOD, Bowe, Kearney,
subs: Varley, Court, Tuohy, Ruddock, Reddan, ROG, G Murphy



Some horrific combinations there...


The first game is a semi-respectable lineup if you take out Buckle (I know he actually played really well that game but on paper he is a bad pick) and MOD, but the other two were car crashes.


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Buckle was OK in that game because every time we dropped the ball, NZ picked it up and made massive gains or scored, so it was never brought back for a scrum.

It was miserable weather, but there were very few scrums.


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Horan, Fogarty, Court, O'Donaghue, Tuohy,

That front 5 must be one of the all time worst.

Edit: I see not a capped game but still.


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So Ulsters European cup* win on BBC 2 tomorrow night.


Trailblazers.

No-one remembers the second man on the moon....

Iirc I walked past Gerry or Martin on way to game. Could have been a figment of my imagination as was very,.....very.... etc


Set up the modern Irish rugby era TBF


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Achtung IRUA - I will probably get the names on the Leinster u18s schools remote training squad thing later if you want it?


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Floppykid wrote:
Bad miss tackle here from Jennings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoB3WLCBI_s

Bit of a system error there. If you look at it both players outside Jenno commit to the man outside Cooper. Pretty explosive player, not too much shame in losing a one on one.


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Leinster canceling season tickets for next season, issuing refunds for the three remaining games and also for any extra tickets bought for Saracens/Munster etc. Seat kept for following season and they're offering a membership scheme which will give priority access for tickets to any games that can be held with supporters next season.


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Achtung IRUA - I will probably get the names on the Leinster u18s schools remote training squad thing later if you want it?


ah yeah, be interesting to see. Thanks. :thumbup:


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hermie wrote:
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Bad miss tackle here from Jennings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoB3WLCBI_s

Bit of a system error there. If you look at it both players outside Jenno commit to the man outside Cooper. Pretty explosive player, not too much shame in losing a one on one.

Maybe, I just think it's more a step above Jennings' level.


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Floppykid wrote:
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Bad miss tackle here from Jennings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoB3WLCBI_s

Bit of a system error there. If you look at it both players outside Jenno commit to the man outside Cooper. Pretty explosive player, not too much shame in losing a one on one.

Maybe, I just think it's more a step above Jennings' level.

Ah but look at the team he was playing in there. I don't think there were too many deficiencies in Jenno's game really to be honest. He just wasn't David Wallace or Sean O'Brien.


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His main deficiency was size for international level. Could probably carry him if the rest of your back row were peak Ferris/Leamy/SOB/Heaslip and there were no other comparable 7s. Plus sufficient biff and beef in the tight 5, no Toners etc.
He had the goods everywhere else, hard as nails, technically excellent, a leader, skillful, etc. But at that level, lack of raw physicality gets exposed.


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Rewatched the Chicago game earlier. Forgot how close it had become before we put them away with the Henshaw try. Was on an all nighter so wasn't in the best shape the first time.

Know they had no proper locks but was a joy to see a functioning maul. It stopping being a weapon was a huge part in our decline.

What happened? Was it teams found a way to stop it and/or refs finding a way to stop us.


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Was listening to the42's podcast on Tyler's retirement.
He really, really must be the second coming of Schmidt for all the fluffling his rugby intelligence gets.


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Rewatched the Chicago game earlier. Forgot how close it had become before we put them away with the Henshaw try. Was on an all nighter so wasn't in the best shape the first time.

Know they had no proper locks but was a joy to see a functioning maul. It stopping being a weapon was a huge part in our decline.

What happened? Was it teams found a way to stop it and/or refs finding a way to stop us.

I think a lot of it is personnel. Toner was obviously a fixture in the team back then much more than he is now. The set-piece side of the game obviously suited him a lot more than the keep-ball team that Ireland became. Also Jamie Heaslip was always a fantastic forward in the maul whatever his role, very smart player in that regard. To a lesser extent, Jack McGrath before he lost a bit of form was another who seemed to really excel in that aspect of the game. Always got his detail right.

Although you are correct, in that you don't see teams being completely devastated through the maul the way you did a number of years ago. World Rugby don't want the maul to be some unstoppable weapon so I think you are seeing referees police it quite strictly, especially around the formation. And teams are figuring out ways around it. Saracens for example have become really good at stopping it at source.


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Rewatched the Chicago game earlier. Forgot how close it had become before we put them away with the Henshaw try. Was on an all nighter so wasn't in the best shape the first time.

Know they had no proper locks but was a joy to see a functioning maul. It stopping being a weapon was a huge part in our decline.

What happened? Was it teams found a way to stop it and/or refs finding a way to stop us.

I think a lot of it is personnel. Toner was obviously a fixture in the team back then much more than he is now. The set-piece side of the game obviously suited him a lot more than the keep-ball team that Ireland became. Also Jamie Heaslip was always a fantastic forward in the maul whatever his role, very smart player in that regard. To a lesser extent, Jack McGrath before he lost a bit of form was another who seemed to really excel in that aspect of the game. Always got his detail right.

Although you are correct, in that you don't see teams being completely devastated through the maul the way you did a number of years ago. World Rugby don't want the maul to be some unstoppable weapon so I think you are seeing referees police it quite strictly, especially around the formation. And teams are figuring out ways around it. Saracens for example have become really good at stopping it at source.

Refs started to allow players to 'swim' up the side and then get at the ball carrier.


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Its not so much that they allowed 'swimming', but they just stopped telling guys to get out of there, so long as they didn't break their bind, if the maul rolled around. So you ended up with opposition players clogging up your side of the maul.


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quarter2four wrote:
Rewatched the Chicago game earlier. Forgot how close it had become before we put them away with the Henshaw try. Was on an all nighter so wasn't in the best shape the first time.

Know they had no proper locks but was a joy to see a functioning maul. It stopping being a weapon was a huge part in our decline.

What happened? Was it teams found a way to stop it and/or refs finding a way to stop us.


Another thing that's very clear on a rewatch is this bored "fact" that Kearney was brilliant in this game and somehow re cemented himself in the team. Being there on the day and reading all the hyperbole on his performance since never made much sense. When you watch the game again this becomes even clearer.


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You saw it even if Joe didn't.

Fair balls to you kid.


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How likely will it be for the other provinces to do something similar to the Leinster ST/Membership option for next year?


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