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Uncle Fester wrote:
DOB wrote:Me, I think he's Eddie mk II, who got a little more luck in the 09 6N, and has been riding it ever since.
Nonsense. You'd be defending him to the hilt like you did with Eddie all the way up to the RWC07 fiasco.
That's a slight misrepresentation of my position on EOS, but it's become the accepted version of events on the bored, so I'm not surprised to see it repeated.
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
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Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Or D'Arcy on Rougerie or Philips.
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You'll find Kidney will bring on ROG, Reddan, and McFadden together.

ROG woill be made to look good by the quicker pass, and outside tackling; and hey presto, guess who's starting at 10 next match.

TBH, I'm more depressed than angry about it these days - it's like Groundhog Day all over again.
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Boxcar Ira wrote:Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, Soy. We'll see how Sexton gets on on Sunday before encloswing the pass
It's about as premature as a German porn star....
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eweeg wrote:DOC starting is beyond a joke. There is a very real case for him not to be in the 22. After two years of defending him, I may be reaching the tipping point with Deccie. I just don't understand how you can skip the queue like that?

New forum... the book is still out - The lack of a proper quote function sticks out like a mile but I imagine I am late to the party with the complaints...
I am not too worried as Ryan is on the bench and will have a chance to make an impact Kiss prefers O'Callaghan in defence, he is secure in the line-out and is reckoned to be the better scrummager.
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Negs:

Predictably, players picked to starting lineup when better options available.
DOC is the most obvious. Darce and Earls is not a good combo. Either of the two with McF would arguably be better. McFaddens place kicking backup would have eased the pressure on Sexton that the hook would come or after 20mins if he missed a few sitters (when otherwise playing well)

Pros: best bench for some time while giving a couple of new guys a chance amongst regulars. Most on the bench arguably could have deserved a starting spot, TC and ROG and depending on how you feel, ER. We have impact subs rather than just replacements
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TexasPaddy wrote:
eweeg wrote:DOC starting is beyond a joke. There is a very real case for him not to be in the 22. After two years of defending him, I may be reaching the tipping point with Deccie. I just don't understand how you can skip the queue like that?

New forum... the book is still out - The lack of a proper quote function sticks out like a mile but I imagine I am late to the party with the complaints...
I am not too worried as Ryan is on the bench and will have a chance to make an impact Kiss prefers O'Callaghan in defence, he is secure in the line-out and is reckoned to be the better scrummager.

Compare the scrum against Tampon in TP and the scrum in MK.
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Lenny wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Or D'Arcy on Rougerie or Philips.
Please point out where I stated I was happy to see D'arcy starting at 12?
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Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Wasn't really clear whose defence you were referring to, McF or Earls.

I know people are ragging on DOC's selection and it is a poor selection but the real Achilles of this team is D'Arcy at 12 and it has been for some time. Have a quick look down the teamsheet. If you're an opposition coach, which player are you going to go "aha he's the guy we're going to target this weekend!". He's now got to the point that he's such a weakness that replacing him with anybody, anybody at all, is preferable to offering the opposition such an easy target.
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when oh when will Sexton be allowed to start outside Reddan?

the common denominator in Ireland's only 2 decent performances under Kidney in the last 3 years has been the Reddan/Sexton partnership orchestrating the demolition of England and Australia last year.

it is deja vu time .....

Kidney has to decide between hurting ROG's feelings and damaging Sextons confidence.... he is paid to make decisions, not postpone them. The reason why Sexton plays better in a blue shirt than in a green one is because Schmidt has total confidence in him and entrusts him to run the game..... Kidney on the other hand is damaging his confidence in order to appease ROG and this is to the detriment of the Irish team.

Jo Hart wasnt doing anything particularly better than Shay Given at Man City, but in fairness to Mancini, he came out and said Hart was his first choice goalkeeper (youth and potential upside being tyhe deciding factors, not experience)...... Kiddinme needs to bite the f**king bullet too and if he pulls Sexton off after 60 mins for no good reason, he deserves to be sacked.
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Hellraiser wrote:
TexasPaddy wrote:
eweeg wrote:DOC starting is beyond a joke. There is a very real case for him not to be in the 22. After two years of defending him, I may be reaching the tipping point with Deccie. I just don't understand how you can skip the queue like that?

New forum... the book is still out - The lack of a proper quote function sticks out like a mile but I imagine I am late to the party with the complaints...
I am not too worried as Ryan is on the bench and will have a chance to make an impact Kiss prefers O'Callaghan in defence, he is secure in the line-out and is reckoned to be the better scrummager.

Compare the scrum against Tampon in TP and the scrum in MK.
You can't blame DOC entirely, those battles were won and lost in the front row.
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nothing to see hear move on


actually, ryan or chewy might be a slight improvement on DOC, but it's marginal
the centre combo was going to be a bit of a horlicks whatever 2 he permed from 3
i'm just glad our best players in the majority of positions have been selected in the right places.
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Wasn't really clear whose defence you were referring to, McF or Earls.

I know people are ragging on DOC's selection and it is a poor selection but the real Achilles of this team is D'Arcy at 12 and it has been for some time. Have a quick look down the teamsheet. If you're an opposition coach, which player are you going to go "aha he's the guy we're going to target this weekend!". He's now got to the point that he's such a weakness that replacing him with anybody, anybody at all, is preferable to offering the opposition such an easy target.

I would have preferred McF, but Joe S always goes with D'Arcy as well when he has options- the Irish options at 12 are in effect the same as Leinsters, bar Paddy W- so you wonder what do the coaches see that we dont? I know Joe plays him at 13 now, but even pre BODs injury there was never any real suggestion of a change at Leinster either.

Dissapointed the DOC/Ryan numbers arent reversed.
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rfurlong wrote:when oh when will Sexton be allowed to start outside Reddan?

the common denominator in Ireland's only 2 decent performances under Kidney in the last 3 years has been the Reddan/Sexton partnership orchestrating the demolition of England and Australia last year.

it is deja vu time .....

Kidney has to decide between hurting ROG's feelings and damaging Sextons confidence.... he is paid to make decisions, not postpone them. The reason why Sexton plays better in a blue shirt than in a green one is because Schmidt has total confidence in him and entrusts him to run the game..... Kidney on the other hand is damaging his confidence in order to appease ROG and this is to the detriment of the Irish team.

Jo Hart wasnt doing anything particularly better than Shay Given at Man City, but in fairness to Mancini, he came out and said Hart was his first choice goalkeeper (youth and potential upside being tyhe deciding factors, not experience)...... Kiddinme needs to bite the f**king bullet too and if he pulls Sexton off after 60 mins for no good reason, he deserves to be sacked.
I agree, Kidney needs to think less about his own neck and more about what is good for Irish rugby. Sexton needs a good run and to be allowed to settle in ROG should be there for injury cover only
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Wasn't really clear whose defence you were referring to, McF or Earls.

I know people are ragging on DOC's selection and it is a poor selection but the real Achilles of this team is D'Arcy at 12 and it has been for some time. Have a quick look down the teamsheet. If you're an opposition coach, which player are you going to go "aha he's the guy we're going to target this weekend!". He's now got to the point that he's such a weakness that replacing him with anybody, anybody at all, is preferable to offering the opposition such an easy target.
Well given there was no Mention of D'arcy in the thread why would I be talking about him? Also when was the last time Earls played at 12 or why would I be talking about him?
I wouldn't have D'arcy anywhere near the team either but at least we now only have 2 shite defenders instead of the 3 when ROG is there. So why is Kidney picking D'arcy there - you are probally his biggest defender on here.
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Wasn't really clear whose defence you were referring to, McF or Earls.

I know people are ragging on DOC's selection and it is a poor selection but the real Achilles of this team is D'Arcy at 12 and it has been for some time. Have a quick look down the teamsheet. If you're an opposition coach, which player are you going to go "aha he's the guy we're going to target this weekend!". He's now got to the point that he's such a weakness that replacing him with anybody, anybody at all, is preferable to offering the opposition such an easy target.
no objective analysis backs that assertion up.

my preference would have been McFadden at 12 but if i was the oppo coach I would be looking at other areas than Darcy to exploit.....such as Murray dawdling at the base of rucks/scrums, or Earls being positionally indecisive in defence for example.
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TexasPaddy wrote:
Hellraiser wrote:
TexasPaddy wrote:
eweeg wrote:DOC starting is beyond a joke. There is a very real case for him not to be in the 22. After two years of defending him, I may be reaching the tipping point with Deccie. I just don't understand how you can skip the queue like that?

New forum... the book is still out - The lack of a proper quote function sticks out like a mile but I imagine I am late to the party with the complaints...
I am not too worried as Ryan is on the bench and will have a chance to make an impact Kiss prefers O'Callaghan in defence, he is secure in the line-out and is reckoned to be the better scrummager.

Compare the scrum against Tampon in TP and the scrum in MK.
You can't blame DOC entirely, those battles were won and lost in the front row.

I'm not but we weren't conceding penalty tries in TP.
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Luckycharmer wrote:
Lenny wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Or D'Arcy on Rougerie or Philips.
Please point out where I stated I was happy to see D'arcy starting at 12?
I was just surprised that when you were suggesting McF at 12 you chose to justify it by raising mistakes made by Earls, who is selected at 13, rather than the far more expensive mistakes of D'Arcy, who is the incumbent 12.
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rfurlong wrote:when oh when will Sexton be allowed to start outside Reddan?
Just so you know but Reddan hasn't actually been playing that well that he demands selection.
If he was picked, I wouldn't have a huge issue with it though. Centres are a much bigger issue.
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Despot wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Wasn't really clear whose defence you were referring to, McF or Earls.

I know people are ragging on DOC's selection and it is a poor selection but the real Achilles of this team is D'Arcy at 12 and it has been for some time. Have a quick look down the teamsheet. If you're an opposition coach, which player are you going to go "aha he's the guy we're going to target this weekend!". He's now got to the point that he's such a weakness that replacing him with anybody, anybody at all, is preferable to offering the opposition such an easy target.

I would have preferred McF, but Joe S always goes with D'Arcy as well when he has options- the Irish options at 12 are in effect the same as Leinsters, bar Paddy W- so you wonder what do the coaches see that we dont? I know Joe plays him at 13 now, but even pre BODs injury there was never any real suggestion of a change at Leinster either.

Dissapointed the DOC/Ryan numbers arent reversed.
Indeed. Have been disappointed that McF hasn't been able to get ahead of D'Arcy at Leinster and have a good shot at nailing down the 12 position but Schmidt seems to be seeing McFadden as more of a 13.

A big question is, will BOD do the right thing for his teams and move into 12 when he gets back from the surgery?
All we need is 2 seasons out of him and hope for the best that one of the two Ulster lads comes through there to replace him.
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Uncle Fester wrote:
rfurlong wrote:when oh when will Sexton be allowed to start outside Reddan?
Just so you know but Reddan hasn't actually been playing that well that he demands selection.
If he was picked, I wouldn't have a huge issue with it though. Centres are a much bigger issue.
Yeah, it's not a TOL/Reddan situation. I still have worries that Murray isn't quite up to the pace yet but the only way to get up to speed is starts and he otherwise has all the skills. Looking forward to seeing him mature over the 6N. It's a pity his run for the Munster jersey didn't take place earlier last season so he could have another 6N under his belt.
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fudge off Kidney. Just fudge off
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rfurlong wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Wasn't really clear whose defence you were referring to, McF or Earls.

I know people are ragging on DOC's selection and it is a poor selection but the real Achilles of this team is D'Arcy at 12 and it has been for some time. Have a quick look down the teamsheet. If you're an opposition coach, which player are you going to go "aha he's the guy we're going to target this weekend!". He's now got to the point that he's such a weakness that replacing him with anybody, anybody at all, is preferable to offering the opposition such an easy target.
no objective analysis backs that assertion up.

my preference would have been McFadden at 12 but if i was the oppo coach I would be looking at other areas than Darcy to exploit.....such as Murray dawdling at the base of rucks/scrums, or Earls being positionally indecisive in defence for example.
Oh please. Teams have been targeting D'Arcy for years now. The French have made at artform out of unleashing a big runner at his soft shoulders and we've conceded two clangers in the last year as a result. Even as far back as 2009, Scotland took us totally by surprise when they consistently ran big Graeme Morrison at D'Arcy instead of ROG. It's even happening at club level. Ospreys won the 2010 ML by targeting him in the final in the RDS.

He contributes nothing going forward anymore and doesn't have the hands to adapt his game to extend his utility to the team. His break against Italy in the RWC was all the more notable because it was the first break he's made for Ireland in years and we looked more surprised by it than the Italians.
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anyone read DOCs booky wooky recently

didnt know he wasnt making munster 15

is he almost done then ?

seems only a few months ago (pre WC) we were contantly hearing about all that unseen work / brilliant partnership with POC
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They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.[/quote]
Wasn't really clear whose defence you were referring to, McF or Earls.





He contributes nothing going forward anymore and doesn't have the hands to adapt his game to extend his utility to the team. His break against Italy in the RWC was all the more notable because it was the first break he's made for Ireland in years and we looked more surprised by it than the Italians.[/quote]


agreed Fester

however re French - they are experts at finding the weak link

without darcy, would be some other sap
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DOC starting is a joke FFS, I would also have gone with McF at 13. Murray starting & POM on the bench is nice though.
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Porterbelly1 wrote:fudge off Kidney. Just fudge off
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clifton cowboy wrote:anyone read DOCs booky wooky recently

didnt know he wasnt making munster 15

is he almost done then ?

seems only a few months ago (pre WC) we were contantly hearing about all that unseen work / brilliant partnership with POC
DOC's reputation got blown out of the water in the 2010 (?) autumn games when POC wasn't around to hold his hand and we couldn't win a restart for love nor money. A player of his experience should have been a leader in the team and instead we had the godawful prospect of a Cullen-DOC pairing in the 6N if POC didn't regain fitness.
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Wasn't really clear whose defence you were referring to, McF or Earls.

I know people are ragging on DOC's selection and it is a poor selection but the real Achilles of this team is D'Arcy at 12 and it has been for some time. Have a quick look down the teamsheet. If you're an opposition coach, which player are you going to go "aha he's the guy we're going to target this weekend!". He's now got to the point that he's such a weakness that replacing him with anybody, anybody at all, is preferable to offering the opposition such an easy target.
no objective analysis backs that assertion up.

my preference would have been McFadden at 12 but if i was the oppo coach I would be looking at other areas than Darcy to exploit.....such as Murray dawdling at the base of rucks/scrums, or Earls being positionally indecisive in defence for example.
Oh please. Teams have been targeting D'Arcy for years now. The French have made at artform out of unleashing a big runner at his soft shoulders and we've conceded two clangers in the last year as a result. Even as far back as 2009, Scotland took us totally by surprise when they consistently ran big Graeme Morrison at D'Arcy instead of ROG. It's even happening at club level. Ospreys won the 2010 ML by targeting him in the final in the RDS.

He contributes nothing going forward anymore and doesn't have the hands to adapt his game to extend his utility to the team. His break against Italy in the RWC was all the more notable because it was the first break he's made for Ireland in years and we looked more surprised by it than the Italians.[/quote]

So Fester I will ask you again why does Deccie keep picking him then? We would lose nothing really with Mcf playing 12
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Luckycharmer wrote:So Fester I will ask you again why does Deccie keep picking him then? We would lose nothing really with Mcf playing 12
As Despot also pointed out above.
It would help if McF got a decent run at 12 for Leinster but instead Schmidt seems to prefer D'Arcy there as first choice 12 for the big games and McF has been moved around the place for Leinster. One of the young Ulster 12's could also be an option for Ireland but we'll never find out until Ulster actually start picking them.

Your second sentence I agree with.
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:So Fester I will ask you again why does Deccie keep picking him then? We would lose nothing really with Mcf playing 12
As Despot also pointed out above.
It would help if McF got a decent run at 12 for Leinster but instead Schmidt seems to prefer D'Arcy there as first choice 12 for the big games and McF has been moved around the place for Leinster. One of the young Ulster 12's could also be an option for Ireland but we'll never find out until Ulster actually start picking them.

Your second sentence I agree with.
Yet Deccie played Earls at 13 when he wasn't playing their regularly for Munster :roll:
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Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:So Fester I will ask you again why does Deccie keep picking him then? We would lose nothing really with Mcf playing 12
As Despot also pointed out above.
It would help if McF got a decent run at 12 for Leinster but instead Schmidt seems to prefer D'Arcy there as first choice 12 for the big games and McF has been moved around the place for Leinster. One of the young Ulster 12's could also be an option for Ireland but we'll never find out until Ulster actually start picking them.

Your second sentence I agree with.
Yet Deccie played Earls at 13 when he wasn't playing their regularly for Munster :roll:
The options at 13 were not the same. Why do you think Joe S goes with darcy rather than McFadden as well? I dont know, but he does and he, like Deccie are closer to the situation/player.
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Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Well it's not all about channel defence. D'Arcy's big clanger last year was on Rougerie in a fairly wide position. International centres need to be able to make all kinds of tackles.
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Despot wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:So Fester I will ask you again why does Deccie keep picking him then? We would lose nothing really with Mcf playing 12
As Despot also pointed out above.
It would help if McF got a decent run at 12 for Leinster but instead Schmidt seems to prefer D'Arcy there as first choice 12 for the big games and McF has been moved around the place for Leinster. One of the young Ulster 12's could also be an option for Ireland but we'll never find out until Ulster actually start picking them.

Your second sentence I agree with.
Yet Deccie played Earls at 13 when he wasn't playing their regularly for Munster :roll:
The options at 13 were not the same. Why do you think Joe S goes with darcy rather than McFadden as well? I dont know, but he does and he, like Deccie are closer to the situation/player.
Probably because he rates McFadden's defence at 13 better than EOM's and in general is taking the not so bizarre view that D'Arcy and McFadden, two current Irish internationals, are the two best centres available to him. D'Arcy is being preferred to EOM, McFadden is just being caught in the crossfire and being played out of his best position.

If McFadden developed a better offloading/passing game he'd be a much better 13 than he is. Unfortunately a lot of ball dies with him as he errs on the side of caution and take contact.
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Despot wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:So Fester I will ask you again why does Deccie keep picking him then? We would lose nothing really with Mcf playing 12
As Despot also pointed out above.
It would help if McF got a decent run at 12 for Leinster but instead Schmidt seems to prefer D'Arcy there as first choice 12 for the big games and McF has been moved around the place for Leinster. One of the young Ulster 12's could also be an option for Ireland but we'll never find out until Ulster actually start picking them.

Your second sentence I agree with.
Yet Deccie played Earls at 13 when he wasn't playing their regularly for Munster :roll:
The options at 13 were not the same. Why do you think Joe S goes with darcy rather than McFadden as well? I dont know, but he does and he, like Deccie are closer to the situation/player.
Our options at 13 when are you talking about the RWC warmups?

What was Leinsters best backline display this season and who were our 2 centres?
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etherman wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Well it's not all about channel defence. D'Arcy's big clanger last year was on Rougerie in a fairly wide position. International centres need to be able to make all kinds of tackles.
D'Arcy's clanger was also partly defensive line related. He would never usually be asked to tackle Rougerie on his own off 1st phase nor be asked to cover both sides. Both Sexton and BOD left too big a gap either side of him.

As has been mentioned France are hardly a poor side at finding weak links. We gave them a sniff, they took it. When Leinster do the same it's applauded as good attacking play.
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etherman wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Well it's not all about channel defence. D'Arcy's big clanger last year was on Rougerie in a fairly wide position. International centres need to be able to make all kinds of tackles.
D'arcey had another clanger in defence in the French RWC warmup game which clerc scored off.
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etherman wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:I will Earls another chance at 13 if picked as no one really standing out to play there - I prefer mcfadden at 12. HIs defence better be up to it as Davies is a big boy.
Wouldn't be hugely confident of either in defence tbf. Some of McFadden's clangers last autumn were brutal.
They were at 13 hence would prefer him at 12 - he makes his tackles down his channel - none of his misses were as bad Earls on Manu or Davies.
Well it's not all about channel defence. D'Arcy's big clanger last year was on Rougerie in a fairly wide position. International centres need to be able to make all kinds of tackles.
BOD shot up and left Darcy stranded.
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CM11 wrote:
Despot wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:So Fester I will ask you again why does Deccie keep picking him then? We would lose nothing really with Mcf playing 12
As Despot also pointed out above.
It would help if McF got a decent run at 12 for Leinster but instead Schmidt seems to prefer D'Arcy there as first choice 12 for the big games and McF has been moved around the place for Leinster. One of the young Ulster 12's could also be an option for Ireland but we'll never find out until Ulster actually start picking them.

Your second sentence I agree with.
Yet Deccie played Earls at 13 when he wasn't playing their regularly for Munster :roll:
The options at 13 were not the same. Why do you think Joe S goes with darcy rather than McFadden as well? I dont know, but he does and he, like Deccie are closer to the situation/player.
Probably because he rates McFadden's defence at 13 better than EOM's and in general is taking the not so bizarre view that D'Arcy and McFadden, two current Irish internationals, are the two best centres available to him. D'Arcy is being preferred to EOM, McFadden is just being caught in the crossfire and being played out of his best position.

If McFadden developed a better offloading/passing game he'd be a much better 13 than he is. Unfortunately a lot of ball dies with him as he errs on the side of caution and take contact.
That would be my take on it as well, and as a result McF doesnt get a sufficient run at 12 for an international coach to chance two "risky" centres at the same time. If Earls goes well and gets confidence, and Darcy stays as is then I would hope to see McF in after the French game at 12. Both McF and Earls are suffering from their versatility.
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