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Mullet 2 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
franch fan wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm All of that is just dressing though.

You won't win shit with your scrum taking a beating like that.
Leinster scrum is actually pretty good and probably one of the best in the competition.
It's just that Sarries front row is exceptional
Furlong was injured
He's good an all but even he would struggle to stop a guy on the other side of the scrum.
Try reading what he posted Kid
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nardol wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
nardol wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm What does Larmour bring these days?
7 points?
vs 12 conceded
Come again?
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Mullet 2 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm I honestly dont know sometimes with modern pros though. .

Any metro player could see it. All they needed was one penalty and we consistently played in an area where one slip was goodnight.

Truly brainless
I don't get it either. Force play down the other end in that last 15 minutes. Don't invite pressure on yourself.
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Leo and co actually deserve the biggest criticism for the team they presented.

Best team was on the pitch at 60min

And to coach a team to scrum like that.....
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franch fan wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
franch fan wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm All of that is just dressing though.

You won't win shit with your scrum taking a beating like that.
Leinster scrum is actually pretty good and probably one of the best in the competition.
It's just that Sarries front row is exceptional
Furlong was injured
Leinster and Ireland scrum have been destroyed last year by Sarries and England scrum even with Furlong so not sure it would have changed anything
Some of the penalties were given up by his replacement, he would have helped a bit
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franch fan wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm
Leinsterbloke wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:56 pm Why was McCall not talked about for Irish coach?
I don't think him becoming the Irish coach will make players like Itoje or the Vunipola brothers naturalizing Irish.
But maybe he would coach the players he has to win, like he does at his current job. It's not a new idea to get the best coach in
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Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm Kelleher should be the Ireland hooker.
Made a big difference when he came on.
Baird looked to the manor born.
Big questions to be answered as to why they didn’t start. JGP, Kelleher and Baird looked twice the players they replaced
Leinster scrum were equally destroyed in second half than during the first half.
It's just that there have been less scrums in second half and especially less scrums with Sarries introducing (even when your scrum is superior, it's obviously harder to get penalties when the other team is introducing)
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Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
franch fan wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm All of that is just dressing though.

You won't win shit with your scrum taking a beating like that.
Leinster scrum is actually pretty good and probably one of the best in the competition.
It's just that Sarries front row is exceptional
Furlong was injured
He's good an all but even he would struggle to stop a guy on the other side of the scrum.
Try reading what he posted Kid
Yeah I did and your reply tells me you know as much about the scrum as you do about Covid
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Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm
nardol wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
nardol wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm What does Larmour bring these days?
7 points?
vs 12 conceded
Come again?
Nardol is talking out of his Irish arse.
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iarmhiman wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm
CM11 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
danthefan wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:58 pm Didn't see any of the second half, from the score it looks like Leinster at least threw a punch but you can't get f**ked like that in the first half and have a chance of winning. Ah well, better Saracens clearly still better and Leinster with a bit to go
We had more than a chance. We should have won really.
Can't win with a scrum getting destroyed like that.

Other than that brilliant try. Sarries didn't have to play any rugby
And why was there so many scrums? We had opportunities to put that game away but screwed up.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm Kelleher should be the Ireland hooker.
Made a big difference when he came on.
Baird looked to the manor born.
Big questions to be answered as to why they didn’t start. JGP, Kelleher and Baird looked twice the players they replaced
Every one of Kelleher's lineouts went to the front. He's great but obviously not trusted there (with good reason on recent showings)
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Mullet 2 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:07 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
franch fan wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 pm

Leinster scrum is actually pretty good and probably one of the best in the competition.
It's just that Sarries front row is exceptional
Furlong was injured
He's good an all but even he would struggle to stop a guy on the other side of the scrum.
Try reading what he posted Kid
Yeah I did and your reply tells me you know as much about the scrum as you do about Covid
Healy wasn’t the only one getting ponged - did you miss the penalties for being on the knee before the ball was put in? Furlong don’t do that
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Further analysis is useless really.

No team that throughly dicked in the scrum is winning shit. Instead of springing Jack McGrath we brought on Ed Byrne.
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Leinsterbloke wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm
franch fan wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm
Leinsterbloke wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:56 pm Why was McCall not talked about for Irish coach?
I don't think him becoming the Irish coach will make players like Itoje or the Vunipola brothers naturalizing Irish.
But maybe he would coach the players he has to win, like he does at his current job. It's not a new idea to get the best coach in
Actually the most impressive thing about Saracens is the way the entire squad is so well drilled. Even guys that they pick up from championship sides are coached to fit in to their system and deliver. Whether it's McCall or the rest of his staff, they clearly know their stuff.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm Kelleher should be the Ireland hooker.
Made a big difference when he came on.
Baird looked to the manor born.
Big questions to be answered as to why they didn’t start. JGP, Kelleher and Baird looked twice the players they replaced
Kelleher - the lineout had been an issue for the previous few match, leo obviously thought it was down to him.

JGP - not sure, mcgrath probably looked good against munster/ulster sides that are many many levels below sarries, he reverted to type with the pressure they applied.

Baird - he looks good
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nardol wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
nardol wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm What does Larmour bring these days?
7 points?
vs 12 conceded
He plays front row now?

The try seemed to be connors fault but would need to watch back. Also the peno from Henshaw is all on Mcgrath for his allyup pass from the base of the ruck.
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Conservative Eddie wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:11 pm
Leinsterbloke wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm
franch fan wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm
Leinsterbloke wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:56 pm Why was McCall not talked about for Irish coach?
I don't think him becoming the Irish coach will make players like Itoje or the Vunipola brothers naturalizing Irish.
But maybe he would coach the players he has to win, like he does at his current job. It's not a new idea to get the best coach in
Actually the most impressive thing about Saracens is the way the entire squad is so well drilled. Even guys that they pick up from championship sides are coached to fit in to their system and deliver. Whether it's McCall or the rest of his staff, they clearly know their stuff.
They are an awesome team. No other team would have lived with Leinster in the second half today.
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JGP has been better than Mc grath for past year

Mc Grath always has a brain fart or two

Baird and Fardy would have been better today from the off. I love healy but he got hammered by Koch last year. And today. But no real option there.

JGP and Marmion - my two first choice for Ireland.
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We need a 9.

Tell Nucifora to give us Casey.

Only fair like.
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Are BT trying to change MOM to the "star of the match" ?
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Get Cooney home before Ulster ruin him.
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Is Healy close to the end now?

Or is it just Vincent Koch who is unplayable?
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Vincent Koch was the difference at the end of the day. Healy has been conspicuously awful in the loose for the past few weeks, and was taken to the cleaners today also. In fairness, three or four of the pens seemed to come from 8 man shoves rather than Koch V Healy?

Leinster did well to get back into it, but horrible to lose to Sarries (again).
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I take solace from the emergence of the new lads and the Larmour try. But at the end of the day we lost at home to a greatly depleted Sarries team. Not a good day.
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Well done Sarries. Ground Leinster out and got big moments when it mattered in the second.

Healy isn't able to do the tight stuff/fundamentals as well as he used to at European level.
Sexton isn't doing a Brady and there are other obvious older players who aren't doing it.

It was encouraging how good Baird et. All were.

Henshaw should come under pressure for his place hopefully.
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MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:11 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm Kelleher should be the Ireland hooker.
Made a big difference when he came on.
Baird looked to the manor born.
Big questions to be answered as to why they didn’t start. JGP, Kelleher and Baird looked twice the players they replaced
Kelleher - the lineout had been an issue for the previous few match, leo obviously thought it was down to him.

JGP - not sure, mcgrath probably looked good against munster/ulster sides that are many many levels below sarries, he reverted to type with the pressure they applied.

Baird - he looks good
McGrath was poor. I thought JGP sped things up and they got over the gainline much more as a result.

Larmour was very poor. I like him, and because he's still young, I'd persist with him, but they really need to work on his aerial skills because he shows very little conviction or confidence on high balls. He also didn't need to try the offload near the end. They had made good ground and just needed to retain it. Relatively conservative phase play would have been the better option as Saracens were out on their feet - they obviously were reluctant to use their bench even with their front liners gassing hard.
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MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:14 pm Are BT trying to change MOM to the "star of the match" ?
They gave it to the wrong man
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Have to say I thought that the ref just didn’t want to punish Saracens with a deserved cards every time Leinster got into their 22. Cynical play went unpunished.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:15 pm I take solace from the emergence of the new lads and the Larmour try. But at the end of the day we lost at home to a greatly depleted Sarries team. Not a good day.
The old guard aren't doing it anymore at all.
Hopefully central contracts don't impede things with getting new players in, want to see H Byrne and R Byrne move past an aged Sexton.
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Conservative Eddie wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:11 pm
Leinsterbloke wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm
franch fan wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm
Leinsterbloke wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:56 pm Why was McCall not talked about for Irish coach?
I don't think him becoming the Irish coach will make players like Itoje or the Vunipola brothers naturalizing Irish.
But maybe he would coach the players he has to win, like he does at his current job. It's not a new idea to get the best coach in
Actually the most impressive thing about Saracens is the way the entire squad is so well drilled. Even guys that they pick up from championship sides are coached to fit in to their system and deliver. Whether it's McCall or the rest of his staff, they clearly know their stuff.
Agree 100%, they just do the basics with power and aggression
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Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:17 pm Have to say I thought that the ref just didn’t want to punish Saracens with a deserved cards every time Leinster got into their 22. Cynical play went unpunished.
Ah stop that will ya we’re better than that
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Frawley deserves a shot at 10.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:13 pm We need a 9.

Tell Nucifora to give us Casey.

Only fair like.
Leo already tried, but he didn't want to move to Dublin.
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Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:17 pm Have to say I thought that the ref just didn’t want to punish Saracens with a deserved cards every time Leinster got into their 22. Cynical play went unpunished.
That happens with winners.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:18 pm
Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:17 pm Have to say I thought that the ref just didn’t want to punish Saracens with a deserved cards every time Leinster got into their 22. Cynical play went unpunished.
Ah stop that will ya we’re better than that
Look, we got dicked in the scrums bit the point stands.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:15 pm I take solace from the emergence of the new lads and the Larmour try. But at the end of the day we lost at home to a greatly depleted Sarries team. Not a good day.
It was the main Sarries pack though.
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Jumper wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:18 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:13 pm We need a 9.

Tell Nucifora to give us Casey.

Only fair like.
Leo already tried, but he didn't want to move to Dublin.
Of course not. He’ll take Murray this season.
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Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:17 pm Have to say I thought that the ref just didn’t want to punish Saracens with a deserved cards every time Leinster got into their 22. Cynical play went unpunished.
It''s a lot harder to win when Brace isn't handing you the win every week alright.
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Floppykid wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:18 pm
Flametop wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:17 pm Have to say I thought that the ref just didn’t want to punish Saracens with a deserved cards every time Leinster got into their 22. Cynical play went unpunished.
That happens with winners.
It’s a self fulfilling prophecy then.
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Warburton says it like it is
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