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earl the beaver wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:24 pm
danthefan wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:09 pm
earl the beaver wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:08 pm Feel our replacement frontrow is a weakness tbh.
None of them are really must win game in Paris quality alright. They're all third choice at least really.
I know we're light at TH with Furlong, Ryan and TOT out so I can understand Bealham

I can also see that with Kelleher out, Scannell regressing and injured and Cronin not in favour why Heffernen is on the bench.

But, and I know I'm repeating myself here, Byrne is meh, don't see why he's ahead of EOS or McGrath, EOS is 4 years younger and has scope to improve while McGrath is older and is an established test player. Just don't get it.
I know why they're all picked, there aren't a whole pile of options, they just don't make up a very good bench. EOS vs Byrne doesn't matter a fig.
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danthefan wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:04 pm
earl the beaver wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:24 pm
danthefan wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:09 pm
earl the beaver wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:08 pm Feel our replacement frontrow is a weakness tbh.
None of them are really must win game in Paris quality alright. They're all third choice at least really.
I know we're light at TH with Furlong, Ryan and TOT out so I can understand Bealham

I can also see that with Kelleher out, Scannell regressing and injured and Cronin not in favour why Heffernen is on the bench.

But, and I know I'm repeating myself here, Byrne is meh, don't see why he's ahead of EOS or McGrath, EOS is 4 years younger and has scope to improve while McGrath is older and is an established test player. Just don't get it.
I know why they're all picked, there aren't a whole pile of options, they just don't make up a very good bench. EOS vs Byrne doesn't matter a fig.
Don't think there is much between them neither top class, they are both pretty mobile. Has EOS been starting LH all season?
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Floppykid wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:04 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:32 pm
Floppykid wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:27 pm McGrath at peak form was challenging for a Lions spot.

He was a bit better than solid.
He's not at peak form though, he was seemingly dropped for EOS recently. Regardless, even if he's playing well without being a standout both Earl and myself would have him ahead of Bryne.
I was more responding to the faint praise:
"McGrath was never a destructive scrummager or carrier. Solid, makes very few errors, good team player, well regarded by his peers."
“Challenging for a Lions spot” undersells it a bit; he came off the bench in 3 tests in a drawn series in NZ. Jake Ball was “challenging” for a spot; Jack was in the 23.
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Conspicuous wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:13 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:37 am Lads we are winning this

Maybe not the whole shabang but the game
What’s your optimism based on horse ?
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SFBB wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:31 pm Byrne definitely isn't good enough. I'd drop him for not getting up in the line for the try in the last phase of play. He was directly responsible for that dogleg and subsequent linebreak.
Yeah, that was really obvious on replay.

Look, Byrne is reward for form. He's come on massively for Leinster. He may never quite cut the mustard at international level, but at this stage I'm happy to see guys get a fair go. I'd be perfectly happy if it was EOS on the bench, either.
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rialtoblue wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:56 pm
earl the beaver wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:43 pm
Mr. Very Popular wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:35 pm I reckon we'll see the following in the QF's, no idea how the seedings will go though.

Wasps,
Leinster
Toulon
Bath.

Exeter
Racing
Munster
Ulster.
I think we'll beat Gloucester home and away but we'll be well beaten by Toulouse, would much rather have been in Pool A
I had it in my head that there was no home and away

Why did they fudge with the pools if there are still 6 pool matches to be played?
Only 4 matches to play. Think there's still going to be 6 match days though, which is a load of shïte for the team's sitting out weekends.
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8 match days.
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Jack Dunne won't have hair in his eyes going forward

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Hang on - what are you two on about?

URH - you mean 8 match days including the 1/4s semi and final right? In which case yeah fair enough.

MVP - you mean 6 match weekends for just the pool stages? ie, fully one third of teams are going to be sitting on their backsides doing nothing while other Euro games are being played? When there is no need for it? What is this nonsense?
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PornDog wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:41 pm Hang on - what are you two on about?

URH - you mean 8 match days including the 1/4s semi and final right? In which case yeah fair enough.

MVP - you mean 6 match weekends for just the pool stages? ie, fully one third of teams are going to be sitting on their backsides doing nothing while other Euro games are being played? When there is no need for it? What is this nonsense?
Maybe the idea is for non playing teams to play league matches on those weekends?
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PornDog wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:41 pm Hang on - what are you two on about?

URH - you mean 8 match days including the 1/4s semi and final right? In which case yeah fair enough.

MVP - you mean 6 match weekends for just the pool stages? ie, fully one third of teams are going to be sitting on their backsides doing nothing while other Euro games are being played? When there is no need for it? What is this nonsense?
Yep
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DOB wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:11 pm
Floppykid wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:04 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:32 pm
Floppykid wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:27 pm McGrath at peak form was challenging for a Lions spot.

He was a bit better than solid.
He's not at peak form though, he was seemingly dropped for EOS recently. Regardless, even if he's playing well without being a standout both Earl and myself would have him ahead of Bryne.
I was more responding to the faint praise:
"McGrath was never a destructive scrummager or carrier. Solid, makes very few errors, good team player, well regarded by his peers."
“Challenging for a Lions spot” undersells it a bit; he came off the bench in 3 tests in a drawn series in NZ. Jake Ball was “challenging” for a spot; Jack was in the 23.
I meant for the first team.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:14 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:13 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:37 am Lads we are winning this

Maybe not the whole shabang but the game
What’s your optimism based on horse ?
My famous waters

And they are beyond questioning
Just like the QF against NZ.
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I reckon we’ll see the movez on Saturday.
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irishrugbyua wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:38 pm Jack Dunne won't have hair in his eyes going forward

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Is he a bit of a unit in the flesh? Thought I saw him make good ground in contact last weekend.
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YOYO wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:23 pm
irishrugbyua wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:38 pm Jack Dunne won't have hair in his eyes going forward

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Is he a bit of a unit in the flesh? Thought I saw him make good ground in contact last weekend.
Certainly not small in person.

Still only 21 and following a more traditional development path for a 2nd row in taking his time to fill out etc.
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What is it Dunne studies ? Quantum physics or something? He should be able to call a lineout anyway
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Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:35 pm 8 match days.
There’s no bye weeks

8 match weekends :
4 rounds of group matches
Home and away quarter finals
Semi finals
Final
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SFBB wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:31 pm Byrne definitely isn't good enough. I'd drop him for not getting up in the line for the try in the last phase of play. He was directly responsible for that dogleg and subsequent linebreak.
Disagree with that. Injury time with players out on their feet. All we had to do was soak and not concede a bloody try. Whoever it was rushed up outside him (can't remember off hand) was at fault.

Also Stockdale, not really his fault as such but he should have smashed the ball carrier and not second guessed.
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Floppykid wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:27 pm McGrath at peak form was challenging for a Lions spot.

He was a bit better than solid.
I don't mean to under sell him; very very good player on form. But what I mean is that he's not all that different a player to Ed Byrne. He doesn't offer anything significantly different unless he's on top of his game.
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hermie wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:00 pm
SFBB wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:31 pm Byrne definitely isn't good enough. I'd drop him for not getting up in the line for the try in the last phase of play. He was directly responsible for that dogleg and subsequent linebreak.
Disagree with that. Injury time with players out on their feet. All we had to do was soak and not concede a bloody try. Whoever it was rushed up outside him (can't remember off hand) was at fault.

Also Stockdale, not really his fault as such but he should have smashed the ball carrier and not second guessed.
Also "elite salmon leaper" POM, who went for someone else's ball and dropped it.
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camroc1 wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:12 pm
hermie wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:00 pm
SFBB wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:31 pm Byrne definitely isn't good enough. I'd drop him for not getting up in the line for the try in the last phase of play. He was directly responsible for that dogleg and subsequent linebreak.
Disagree with that. Injury time with players out on their feet. All we had to do was soak and not concede a bloody try. Whoever it was rushed up outside him (can't remember off hand) was at fault.

Also Stockdale, not really his fault as such but he should have smashed the ball carrier and not second guessed.
Also "elite salmon leaper" POM, who went for someone else's ball and dropped it.
It was POM’s ball to go for . Murray Kinsella has a post on that restart, Heffernan was supposed to be lifting POM but he went awol. Apparently you can hear POM shout “fudge sake Heffo” over the mic. Anyway apart from the messed up restart defence should have been able to deal with that final attack . Stander , Byrne and Aki all missed tackles before Stockdale was faced with a two on one
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Conspicuous wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:47 pm
camroc1 wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:12 pm
hermie wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:00 pm
SFBB wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:31 pm Byrne definitely isn't good enough. I'd drop him for not getting up in the line for the try in the last phase of play. He was directly responsible for that dogleg and subsequent linebreak.
Disagree with that. Injury time with players out on their feet. All we had to do was soak and not concede a bloody try. Whoever it was rushed up outside him (can't remember off hand) was at fault.

Also Stockdale, not really his fault as such but he should have smashed the ball carrier and not second guessed.
Also "elite salmon leaper" POM, who went for someone else's ball and dropped it.
It was POM’s ball to go for . Murray Kinsella has a post on that restart, Heffernan was supposed to be lifting POM but he went awol. Apparently you can hear POM shout “fudge sake Heffo” over the mic. Anyway apart from the messed up restart defence should have been able to deal with that final attack . Stander , Byrne and Aki all missed tackles before Stockdale was faced with a two on one
Don't waste your fingers.
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Well Josh Wycherley will be seeing plenty of game time for the next couple of months; Kilcoyne gone for at least 8 weeks after ankle surgery, Loughman out for 6 weeks with a shoulder injury, and O'Connor out with a calf problem.
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Conspicuous wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:32 pm What is it Dunne studies ? Quantum physics or something? He should be able to call a lineout anyway
Theoretical physics. No guarantee on the calling.

The TPs I shared physics lectures with ranged from the relatively normal, to those who had trouble talking to other humans.
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Conspicuous wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:32 pm What is it Dunne studies ? Quantum physics or something? He should be able to call a lineout anyway
Quantum Lineout calls - it will be both the Hooker's fault and the Jumper's fault at the same time :lol: :lol:
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Yer Man wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:23 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:32 pm What is it Dunne studies ? Quantum physics or something? He should be able to call a lineout anyway
Quantum Lineout calls - it will be both the Hooker's fault and the Jumper's fault at the same time :lol: :lol:
They will either both appear at the same time, or both disappear at the same time depending on what the SH is thinking at the time. The question is, given that Murray thinks is debatable, does that aid or hinder us ?
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Nolanator wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:23 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:32 pm What is it Dunne studies ? Quantum physics or something? He should be able to call a lineout anyway
Theoretical physics. No guarantee on the calling.

The TPs I shared physics lectures with ranged from the relatively normal, to those who had trouble talking to other humans.
Doesn’t Jumper claim to be some sort of physicist? Says it all, tbf
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Looks like Ferg got the chop from house of rugby after his stupidity with the Babas
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Luckycharmer wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:51 pm Looks like Ferg got the chop from house of rugby after his stupidity with the Babas
Probably just took the week off :lol:
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Mullet 2 wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:59 pm https://youtu.be/wUKY08HcYjw

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That lad needs bookmarking. He does great highlights
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Yeah he does a good job.
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Conspicuous wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:42 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:35 pm 8 match days.
There’s no bye weeks

8 match weekends :
4 rounds of group matches
Home and away quarter finals
Semi finals
Final
There will be bye weeks as there's only 3 teams per group,how do they all play every round? that's 6 rounds of group matches, same as it had been all along. Unless I'm missing something very obvious, I can't see how it can be different.
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Mr. Very Popular wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:35 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:42 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:35 pm 8 match days.
There’s no bye weeks

8 match weekends :
4 rounds of group matches
Home and away quarter finals
Semi finals
Final
There will be bye weeks as there's only 3 teams per group,how do they all play every round? that's 6 rounds of group matches, same as it had been all along. Unless I'm missing something very obvious, I can't see how it can be different.
Everyone plays two other teams (home and away)from their group but it’s not four mini groups of three within a group. For example Leinster play Montpellier and Northampton but Montpellier don’t play Northampton, they play Wasps . So every team will be playing every weekend
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Harry Byrne looks the job based on those highlights. I know it's only Zebre but surely he'll be overtaking his brother soon.
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Conspicuous wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:47 pm
Mr. Very Popular wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:35 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:42 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:35 pm 8 match days.
There’s no bye weeks

8 match weekends :
4 rounds of group matches
Home and away quarter finals
Semi finals
Final
There will be bye weeks as there's only 3 teams per group,how do they all play every round? that's 6 rounds of group matches, same as it had been all along. Unless I'm missing something very obvious, I can't see how it can be different.
Everyone plays two other teams (home and away)from their group but it’s not four mini groups of three within a group. For example Leinster play Montpellier and Northampton but Montpellier don’t play Northampton, they play Wasps . So every team will be playing every weekend
What the actual hell? That's fücked up altogether. Going to be some mad equations knocking about the last weekend of it.
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hermie wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:00 pm
SFBB wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:31 pm Byrne definitely isn't good enough. I'd drop him for not getting up in the line for the try in the last phase of play. He was directly responsible for that dogleg and subsequent linebreak.
Disagree with that. Injury time with players out on their feet. All we had to do was soak and not concede a bloody try. Whoever it was rushed up outside him (can't remember off hand) was at fault.

Also Stockdale, not really his fault as such but he should have smashed the ball carrier and not second guessed.
A sub who came on for 25mins should not be out on their feet.
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Floppykid wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:27 pm McGrath at peak form was challenging for a Lions spot.

He was a bit better than solid.
Why are you talking about McGrath?

O'Sullivan is better than him for the past year.
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Floppykid wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:04 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:32 pm
Floppykid wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:27 pm McGrath at peak form was challenging for a Lions spot.

He was a bit better than solid.
He's not at peak form though, he was seemingly dropped for EOS recently. Regardless, even if he's playing well without being a standout both Earl and myself would have him ahead of Bryne.
I was more responding to the faint praise:
"McGrath was never a destructive scrummager or carrier. Solid, makes very few errors, good team player, well regarded by his peers."
McGraths workrate, defence, his ability to clear out rucks againest any pack in the world and his maul defence. His sheer bulk is a huge asset to any side!!
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