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danthefan wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:40 pm
Conn wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:35 pm Leinster and Munster types. How many HEC games have Healy, Casey, Harry Byrne and Frawley played ?
Harry Byrne - none
Frawley - probably none, maybe the odd appearance
Didn't Frawley play against Saints last season?
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DeDoc wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:01 pm
danthefan wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:40 pm
Conn wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:35 pm Leinster and Munster types. How many HEC games have Healy, Casey, Harry Byrne and Frawley played ?
Harry Byrne - none
Frawley - probably none, maybe the odd appearance
Didn't Frawley play against Saints last season?
He did indeed
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Can we not create a fake U23 team in some culchie den like Athlone where all the promising young players that can’t already get a regular start for their province aged 21, and go it alone like Super Rugby Aoteroa with 5 teams? Playing 2 x rounds (8 matches), then 6-9 in Europe, then play touring international sides/create some wank cup comp with the Saffers to pad out the rest of the year.

Each year the 4 main provinces get 2 or 3 draft picks each from the U23 team.

The lads that don’t get picked and become too old get carted off to England/France.

I’d only take half of Nucifora’s salary to implement that grand plan, and a hefty expense account.
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No, all we need is a russian style state sponsored doping programme to get bigger.

Im also ook with bringing over a few chinese lads to do that gene splicing thing to genetically modify our size. If you cant beat them join them.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:05 pm
SFBB wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:28 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:24 pm The other thing is that the ruck change across the bored seem to have made it very hard to retain possession after a line break.
Definitive difference between how they are reffing in NZ/Oz and how the NH refs are interpreting it. A lot of those England turnovers would have been penalties the other way.
Maro's new trick of supporting his body weight on the ball before pulling it away and falling forward is particularly interesting.

I'm not sure of is or isn't legal
That’s a classic in fairness. Gets pinged flat out down here. Definitely illegal.
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Forget about NH v SH - its Spiv v the rest leagues that have a total different interpretation.


The understanding I was given in my coaching course updates on this is that the increased protection given to the jackler came with additional responsibilities around the requirement to remain clean. The poacher has to latch directly on to the ball with elbows remaining off the floor and a genuine effort to retract the ball (ie not just latch and seal).

This appears to have gone out the window while the poacher does continue to receive extra protection.

The breakdown is a complete and utter lottery these days.
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I could be wrong but I get the impression Zebo is moving on from Racing92

https://twitter.com/simonzebo/status/13 ... 36576?s=21
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If somebody was to tell me that the whole Ireland squad were doping I’d find it hard to argue with.
They must be getting some seriously good skunk brought in.

https://www.the42.ie/ireland-england-co ... 3-Nov2020/
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The POM detractors can’t deny this is serious elite support forward play from him. You can’t teach the little extras he brings to the teams he plays in. Like him or loath him.

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YOYO wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:22 pm The POM detractors can’t deny this is serious elite support forward play from him. You can’t teach the little extras he brings to the trans he plays in.

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A yard or so off the required pace, literally.
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YOYO wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:22 pm The POM detractors can’t deny this is serious elite support forward play from him. You can’t teach the little extras he brings to the trans he plays in.

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Criminal by Chris Farrell, Aki, Earls and James Lowe (for not tracking back or corner flagging at all)
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nardol wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:25 pm
YOYO wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:22 pm The POM detractors can’t deny this is serious elite support forward play from him. You can’t teach the little extras he brings to the trans he plays in.

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A yard or so off the required pace, literally.
If he was a yard off the pace there what does that say about the other 14 on the field?
I admire his heart and will to win.. even if he might not be our best 7 these days.
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Flametop wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:26 pm
YOYO wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:22 pm The POM detractors can’t deny this is serious elite support forward play from him. You can’t teach the little extras he brings to the trans he plays in.

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Criminal by Chris Farrell, Aki, Earls and James Lowe (for not tracking back or corner flagging at all)
Where the fudge is Lowe in all that?
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A lot better than Lowe on that play anyway.

Lowe seemed to be getting involved in unnecessary stuff, he was dragging out of someone at one stage during the first half long after the ball had gone. Just wasting energy he could have been using to chase that.
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feckwanker wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:28 pm
Flametop wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:26 pm
YOYO wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:22 pm The POM detractors can’t deny this is serious elite support forward play from him. You can’t teach the little extras he brings to the trans he plays in.

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Criminal by Chris Farrell, Aki, Earls and James Lowe (for not tracking back or corner flagging at all)
Where the fudge is Lowe in all that?
Precisely.
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Lowe was jogging back
He might be a flat track bully who looked great at Pro14 level but doesnt have the ability to step it up into International level
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Winnie wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:31 pm Lowe was jogging back
He might be a flat track bully who looked great at Pro14 level but doesnt have the ability to step it up into International level
Don’t be a dick, that’s an easy fix. He needs a kick in the arse, not fielding practice.
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Winnie wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:31 pm Lowe was jogging back
He might be a flat track bully who looked great at Pro14 level but doesnt have the ability to step it up into International level
:lol:

After two games, one of which he was excellent in.
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de_Selby wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:28 pm A lot better than Lowe on that play anyway.

Lowe seemed to be getting involved in unnecessary stuff, he was dragging out of someone at one stage during the first half long after the ball had gone. Just wasting energy he could have been using to chase that.
I hive it two posts before another poster gives it the "we arent nasty enough holding Lads off the balls etc"
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Winnie it seems after getting slapped around and embarrassing himself all last week has decided to go full troll.

The bored needs more Jumper/Winnie/Derwyn types. They are both original and intensely funny.
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feckwanker wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:28 pm
Flametop wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:26 pm
YOYO wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:22 pm The POM detractors can’t deny this is serious elite support forward play from him. You can’t teach the little extras he brings to the trans he plays in.

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Criminal by Chris Farrell, Aki, Earls and James Lowe (for not tracking back or corner flagging at all)
Where the fudge is Lowe in all that?
he's unfit .... or more accurately, he has traded speed/stamina for power
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Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:10 pm Winnie it seems after getting slapped around and embarrassing himself all last week has decided to go full troll.

The bored needs more Jumper/Winnie/Derwyn types. They are both original and intensely funny.
Did mummy tell her special little soldier how good he was at the weekend to embolden you after you made an arse of yourself on here last week?
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CM11 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:51 pm
Winnie wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:31 pm Lowe was jogging back
He might be a flat track bully who looked great at Pro14 level but doesnt have the ability to step it up into International level
:lol:

After two games, one of which he was excellent in.
That Welsh game was no step up from Pro 14 level
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And we are back to thinking Private school Lads in Dublin are hung up about their privilege. :lol:

Wanna swap stories about the first boat our Dads gave us?
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As an aside if Leinster and Lowe are the bullies I suppose that makes Jacob and the lads the flat track?
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Winnie wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:17 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:51 pm
Winnie wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:31 pm Lowe was jogging back
He might be a flat track bully who looked great at Pro14 level but doesnt have the ability to step it up into International level
:lol:

After two games, one of which he was excellent in.
That Welsh game was no step up from Pro 14 level
meanwhile pro14 form has you anointing Lions contenders and berating the IRFU for not including enough Ulster men?
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rfurlong wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:20 pm
Winnie wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:17 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:51 pm
Winnie wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:31 pm Lowe was jogging back
He might be a flat track bully who looked great at Pro14 level but doesnt have the ability to step it up into International level
:lol:

After two games, one of which he was excellent in.
That Welsh game was no step up from Pro 14 level
meanwhile pro14 form has you anointing Lions contenders and berating the IRFU for not including enough Ulster men?
The sure fire mark of the lad going full Derwyn/Jumper
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If anyone doesn’t think that when we demand Mike Lowry and Stewart Moore to be playing for Ireland and the Lions we are being sarcastic. . . .


Then they’d be 100% right
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It's the Coombes scored three tries against Ospreys, Lowry tore Glasgow apart, but Leinster were only playing Cardiff brigade that get me. At least be consistent in your metric. All we have is Pro 14 for form of current non internationals, and that works for Leinster as much as the other 3 provinces.
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Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:23 pm If anyone doesn’t think that when we demand Mike Lowry and Stewart Moore to be playing for Ireland and the Lions we are being sarcastic. . . .


Then they’d be 100% right

I like Moore a lot ...... but calling for him to be capped is like Leinster fans calling for Tommy O'Brien, Jimmy O'Brien, Scott Penny, or even Dan Sheahan to be capped ..... theres a fair bit of development required before any of them gets an Irish cap (if any of them ever do), yet they've all done as much (or in Penny's case more) in the pro14 than Moore has done.

edit - I'm saying the same thing as cammy more or less
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No one is seriously calling for Stewart Moore to be capped right now ffs you idiot.


And it is a when with him btw, not an if.



Lowry on the other hand has played 30 odd games and has started in high HEC and knock out games for us and if you want some invention in the backline then why the hell not but he's going to be too small at international level even though he's bloody brilliant.
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Winnie wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:17 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:51 pm
Winnie wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:31 pm Lowe was jogging back
He might be a flat track bully who looked great at Pro14 level but doesnt have the ability to step it up into International level
:lol:

After two games, one of which he was excellent in.
That Welsh game was no step up from Pro 14 level
So after his first proper test?
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I think we should all take a moment to appreciate how far we have come since those dark and scary lockdown/summer months of silence on this thread.

Ulster/Leinster/CFs all getting into a shitfights about how gash each other’s players are, and how their own players should get picked ahead of them.

Its f**king great to be back :thumbup:
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Shit news on Marshall I'll always love him for giving me the opportunity to strut around Capetown like a boss.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:04 pm Shit news on Marshall I'll always love him for giving me the opportunity to strut around Capetown like a boss.
What's this now?
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Mr. Very Popular wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:11 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:04 pm Shit news on Marshall I'll always love him for giving me the opportunity to strut around Capetown like a boss.
What's this now?
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YOYO wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:22 pm The POM detractors can’t deny this is serious elite support forward play from him. You can’t teach the little extras he brings to the teams he plays in. Like him or loath him.

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Lowe would have stopped that try if he wasn't so lazy. There should be no room in the team for guys who can't be arsed. He had a 5m headstart on POM and was beaten back in the chase by like 20m.
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rfurlong wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:20 pm
Winnie wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:17 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:51 pm
Winnie wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:31 pm Lowe was jogging back
He might be a flat track bully who looked great at Pro14 level but doesnt have the ability to step it up into International level
:lol:

After two games, one of which he was excellent in.
That Welsh game was no step up from Pro 14 level
meanwhile pro14 form has you anointing Lions contenders and berating the IRFU for not including enough Ulster men?
Please tell me you didnt think I was serious that Aaron Sexton should be lions captain?!
Thats Mullet levels of putting 2 & 2 together and getting 9
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POC on the Brian Moore podcast very critical of Ryan for twice not even realising, let alone telling the ref, that England had an extra man in the lineout.

Suggests it's symptomatic of a mental malaise and lack of clear thinking.
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MrDominator wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:53 pm POC on the Brian Moore podcast very critical of Ryan for twice not even realising, let alone telling the ref, that England had an extra man in the lineout.

Suggests it's symptomatic of a mental malaise and lack of clear thinking.
Good point DD
Are we asking too much from him:
Captain
Calling the lineout
Expecting his high levels of performance

Maybe captaincy is not the right move for the lad
Then again he might turn into one of the greatest captains we have if he grows into it

Lad has a lot of credit in the bank and POC should cut him some slack
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