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Outrageous pickup from Kendellan
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irishrugbyua wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:37 pm McCormack is impressive.
How bad was his injury
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Ireland just lacking in brute size up against a big driving English pack. Pleased to see Crothers come on as an u19 and not look out of place. Thought the Irish backline lacked a bit of creativity to unlock a huge English side.
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Porterbelly1 wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:34 am
irishrugbyua wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:37 pm McCormack is impressive.
How bad was his injury
Bad head knock/neck but not stretchered off or anything - hopefully nothing serious obviously but imagine that his is tournament done.
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Willie Falloon wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:32 am Ireland just lacking in brute size up against a big driving English pack. Pleased to see Crothers come on as an u19 and not look out of place. Thought the Irish backline lacked a bit of creativity to unlock a huge English side.
Lack a bit of size and prob ability to be cute at the defesnive maul. Its been an issue all tournament, they did well on a number of them after the first try to be fair.

Not lack of grit there but hamstrung by 10, Corkery is running very basic patterns, alot of over/under screens and Forde is certainly more important at 12 for the side.

Also - I remain to be convinced at all on Cosgrave - threw a dirty pass for their 3rd try and then turned his back. He can obviously play but don't see the same pro ability at all like you have with Osbourne, Doak and even Forde/Jennings.
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Certainly Osborne, Doak and Forde look the pick of the backs. Not sure what Moxham adds either. Every move seems designed to get the ball to Cosgrave on the other wing but there's still little excuse for how quiet Moxham was.

Sheridan might have a future at Ulster but difficult to say beyond that. Kendellan looks excellent and you have to be impressed at the sheer fitness of both our locks. Seems a bit workmanlike beyond that.
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DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:45 am Certainly Osborne, Doak and Forde look the pick of the backs. Not sure what Moxham adds either. Every move seems designed to get the ball to Cosgrave on the other wing but there's still little excuse for how quiet Moxham was.

Sheridan might have a future at Ulster but difficult to say beyond that. Kendellan looks excellent and you have to be impressed at the sheer fitness of both our locks. Seems a bit workmanlike beyond that.
For a lad who is clearly big & strong, and has been involved with Ulster, you would be a bit disappointed in him. He is very raw for sure, but lacks rugby IQ. Carrying the ball over his own line v Wales for example.

Soroka showing aggression too, which is good, as know it has been a stick to beat him with, and Sheridan clearly works his bollox off. We just lack size in the tight 5 and that counts for so much at this level.
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Yeah agree with that. We were just on the back foot all game as their pack was too powerful. Then we started to make stupid mistakes as a result of the pressure. We needed an outhalf who could control a game behind a beaten pack but that’s one hell of an ask especially at this level. I was proud of the lads for hanging in there, even the penalty count against them was insane, but we were well beaten.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:56 am Yeah agree with that. We were just on the back foot all game as their pack was too powerful. Then we started to make stupid mistakes as a result of the pressure. We needed an outhalf who could control a game behind a beaten pack but that’s one hell of an ask especially at this level. I was proud of the lads for hanging in there, even the penalty count against them was insane, but we were well beaten.
The nuts and bolts of this side are excellent, just the 10 options have their issues. Would like to see that side with a Crowley, Harry Byrne or Healy, who would just play a bit smarter and get them in the right places.

No lack of grit as I said, could have easily broken a few times in the first half. The non touch and try 3/4 phases later was a killer, especially when we had just gone to 7-3 and Kendellan had won an excellent penalty.
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That was insane. Was the penalty not over on the far side of the pitch and he went for the touchline further away. Soke absolutely daft moments. The end where we attempted the drop was ridiculous too. Once the shot was called go all out for the BP. England aren't going to lose a game so we are playing for second
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DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:42 am That was insane. Was the penalty not over on the far side of the pitch and he went for the touchline further away. Soke absolutely daft moments. The end where we attempted the drop was ridiculous too. Once the shot was called go all out for the BP. England aren't going to lose a game so we are playing for second
I don't mind the drop goal - it would have forced a restart etc...there is nothing on the line, I would rather they went for the win then play BP percentages and just go out to win final two games too.
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What a shite team for tomorrow. When Carbery inevitably goes off injured we'll be back to JGP/Burns. The thought of that in a summer test in a Lions year is so, so depressing.

And that's before you get to the lack of Coombes, Balacoune etc.

You'd also wonder if Cooney is actually injured or does it just suit them to say so, especially with all the bullshit around Ryan.
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There should be a bored forfeit for mentioning the name C****y. He is Do-Do'd and the best we can hope for is that it's for good reason, and leave it at that. Clearly so many emergencies would need to stack up before they take a hammer to that particular glass.

Unless you fancy petition.ie and organising a match on HQ. By all means...
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redderneck wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:19 am There should be a bored forfeit for mentioning the name C****y. He is Do-Do'd and the best we can hope for is that it's for good reason, and leave it at that. Clearly so many emergencies would need to stack up before they take a hammer to that particular glass.

Unless you fancy petition.ie and organising a match on HQ. By all means...
Nah, I don't think it makes sense to ignore it.

Unless we're told what the reason is, why assume there is one?
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Thought Soroka was outstanding yesterday. Really fronted up and seemed fired up by the plum English antics.

I'd see Doak and Osborne as dead cert future internationals; Doak as an 80 capper (a far better prospect than Casey IMO). Soroka, Kendellen & McCormack very likely pros and maybe internationals. Kendellen could be a bit small for an 8 but could see him as an excellent 7? Soroka looks the prototype 6 - great hands, one turnover, a great offload, smashing into contact, fantastic in the mauls etc.

Several others could make it from this group. Illo really locked out the scrum but wasn't great around the park, Sheridan looked decent, as did Forde & Jennings.

I'd love if Reuben Cruthers made it because he has an great posh cowboy name.
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Hugh O'Sullivan any good (as a squad 9)?

Just signed for LI. Which is a bit weird as it brings us up to 5 senior 9s, but sure there's a reason for it.
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Margin_Walker wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:19 pm Hugh O'Sullivan any good (as a squad 9)?

Just signed for LI. Which is a bit weird as it brings us up to 5 senior 9s, but sure there's a reason for it.
:| :| :|

Eh- will let the Leinster lads talk about it more, but just lets say would be delighted if we saw him starting v us.
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:lol:

Clearly not on my radar and will probably refrain from further research. New start and all that.
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Margin_Walker wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:19 pm Hugh O'Sullivan any good (as a squad 9)?

Just signed for LI. Which is a bit weird as it brings us up to 5 senior 9s, but sure there's a reason for it.
He’s not great tbh , I was expecting him to join a championship side if he was continuing a career in professional rugby
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Cheers, sounds perfect...

His Wiki says he covers wing and FB. Is that something he did in school a few times or something he can actually do?
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He's not very good. Think he had one particularly shocking game against munster when he got his shot earlier this year. You could find the match thread but I recall some saying it was the worst performance for a professional rugby player they could remember. Our pack got smashed to be fair.

Hopefully he covers wing and full back better than he covers SH.
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Ringing endorsement. it's a bit of an odd signing, but I guess we'll see. Cheers
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RWC2015 wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:05 pm Thought Soroka was outstanding yesterday. Really fronted up and seemed fired up by the plum English antics.

I'd see Doak and Osborne as dead cert future internationals; Doak as an 80 capper (a far better prospect than Casey IMO). Soroka, Kendellen & McCormack very likely pros and maybe internationals. Kendellen could be a bit small for an 8 but could see him as an excellent 7? Soroka looks the prototype 6 - great hands, one turnover, a great offload, smashing into contact, fantastic in the mauls etc.

Several others could make it from this group. Illo really locked out the scrum but wasn't great around the park, Sheridan looked decent, as did Forde & Jennings.

I'd love if Reuben Cruthers made it because he has an great posh cowboy name.
Was also impressed with Soroka. He could be Ruddock's long term successor.

Doak is a very exciting prospect but don't see the need some here have to talk Casey down in order to talk him up. Casey, let's not forget, was the best player on a GS side.
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Margin_Walker wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:43 pm Cheers, sounds perfect...

His Wiki says he covers wing and FB. Is that something he did in school a few times or something he can actually do?
He played mostly fullback in school. Maybe forcing him to play SH wasn't the best idea.
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hermie wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:16 am
RWC2015 wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:05 pm Thought Soroka was outstanding yesterday. Really fronted up and seemed fired up by the plum English antics.

I'd see Doak and Osborne as dead cert future internationals; Doak as an 80 capper (a far better prospect than Casey IMO). Soroka, Kendellen & McCormack very likely pros and maybe internationals. Kendellen could be a bit small for an 8 but could see him as an excellent 7? Soroka looks the prototype 6 - great hands, one turnover, a great offload, smashing into contact, fantastic in the mauls etc.

Several others could make it from this group. Illo really locked out the scrum but wasn't great around the park, Sheridan looked decent, as did Forde & Jennings.

I'd love if Reuben Cruthers made it because he has an great posh cowboy name.
Was also impressed with Soroka. He could be Ruddock's long term successor.

Doak is a very exciting prospect but don't see the need some here have to talk Casey down in order to talk him up. Casey, let's not forget, was the best player on a GS side.
Two very talented players with two completely contrasting styles . We’re lucky to have both of them and we’ll need both of them. Just like Murray,being such a big man means Doak may never be the quickest to get the ball. He does look like a very well rounded player and a great athlete though, but there’ll be opportunities for Casey when we need to play to a faster tempo.
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Just flicked a stream on and saw JGP playing.

Are the cupboards really so bare?

And they've raised the Ryan/Lions situation after 2mins. :lol:
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Poor mistake by Ryan hands Japan the lead. Not the start he would have wanted
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Jgp looking a bit glacial so far, needs to up that against this team
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Quick ball :D
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Very good by Farrell. Great break by Doris.
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Jumper wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:07 pm Poor mistake by Ryan hands Japan the lead. Not the start he would have wanted
I’d say you’re raging we scored
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Some very good passing right at the line. Even Killer getting involved.

So poor there tho from Ultan.
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Look rusty as fūck
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:05 pm Just flicked a stream on and saw JGP playing.

Are the cupboards really so bare?

And they've raised the Ryan/Lions situation after 2mins. :lol:
We have two good young scrum halves in Casey and Doak but we will need JGP for another couple of years
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Ah lads, that's a kick up the hole
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That's an eye-opener for the relative pack powers. :shock:
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Really poor defence at the lineout there.

Didn't compete properly to slow and then weren't there to sack.
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Pom was a hindrance in that maul defence
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:13 pm That's an eye-opener for the relative pack powers. :shock:
One very well organised pack and one not very well organised pack
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1. Why r C4 sticking with Nollie?
2. Irleland look patchy
3. Farrell picking 2 giants at centre who can barely offload?
4. Why has the top tier not been used for fans?
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