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Bullettyme wrote:

earl the beaver wrote: How far can they go? Can they demand access to every player's text, WhatsApp and Facebook messenger? Emails? Confidential discussions with agents?

If you're discussing work via a certain messaging app (which Gilroy, Olding and Jackson may have done), your employer is entitled to any conversations or something like that. There was an EU ruling on it a few years ago I believe.

What's happening with Gilroy is a bit unbelievable. It's a bit mad.

Not really.

If UR are considering disciplinary action for Jackson and Olding for their WhatsApp witterings, they have to do the same for Gilroy. However it could be just to get all of them together to explain what exactly they meant by some of the comments. If Gilroy has any sense he'll lawyer up.

A protest at Ravenhill surely won't last long

Outside the gate at Mt Merrion there is enough police presence there on match days and if they get in the stewards won't hesitate to remove them. I suspect both the PSNI and Eventsec will have been put on alert for potential protests etc

Ulsters Red Hand wrote:A protest at Ravenhill surely won't last long

Outside the gate at Mt Merrion there is enough police presence there on match days and if they get in the stewards won't hesitate to remove them. I suspect both the PSNI and Eventsec will have been put on alert for potential protests etc

Just looking at Google Maps there. When I was last in Ravenhill I got a taxi out to the Mount Merrion side and the taxi left us off to walk to the stadium. Had no idea that was the Cregagh estate I was walking by. Good old Georgie Best.

DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:

Ulsters Red Hand wrote:A protest at Ravenhill surely won't last long

Outside the gate at Mt Merrion there is enough police presence there on match days and if they get in the stewards won't hesitate to remove them. I suspect both the PSNI and Eventsec will have been put on alert for potential protests etc

Police batoning wimmin is never a good look.

Nor is throwing slurry bombs at them, Willie.

Getting to Ravenhill can be a pure ballache and the coppers don't take kindly to any taxis blocking traffic. So there's that to contend with, even before the traditional Friday night monsoon starts. Having a protest would be one miserable experience. Going for a night of rugby can be shite enough.

Willie Falloon wrote:

Van Rooj wrote:There's going to be a protest at Ravenhill on the thirteenth apparently.
Be nice to them fellas. As nice as you can be.

Extend them every courtesy because we love them.

Good luck to them. A bunch of protestors, mostly from Belfast west and Dublin walking into East/South Belfast waving their shite.

Brave people indeed, someone tell them not to bring tricolours with #IBeleiveHer on it.

I can tell you now, if they are standing in front of me on the footpath, shouting their dung, invading my space and waving a tricolour, they will be heading, headfirst into the nearest hedge.

Seek professional help

Duff Paddy wrote: Seek professional help

You might need to spell out exactly what that means to Willie in case he thinks you reckon he should get some paramilitaries to give him a hand.

JoeMangled wrote:Getting to Ravenhill can be a pure ballache and the coppers don't take kindly to any taxis blocking traffic. So there's that to contend with, even before the traditional Friday night monsoon starts. Having a protest would be one miserable experience. Going for a night of rugby can be shite enough.

And that’s just the performance on the pitch

You gotta love Willie promoting violence while trying to take the moral high ground defending the players because they've been found innocent of a violent crime.

Bullettyme wrote:

earl the beaver wrote: How far can they go? Can they demand access to every player's text, WhatsApp and Facebook messenger? Emails? Confidential discussions with agents?

If you're discussing work via a certain messaging app (which Gilroy, Olding and Jackson may have done), your employer is entitled to any conversations or something like that. There was an EU ruling on it a few years ago I believe.

What's happening with Gilroy is a bit unbelievable. It's a bit mad.

I don't think that can possibly be true outside of work time? How could players discuss their contract situation with their agent?

Gilroy was unlucky. How could he possibly know that the only way that what he texted privately could be made public was for a criminal investigation being given access to private phone messages?

I still maintain none of the messages though crass and derogatory had any bearing on the issue of consent. They were only used to preducically smear the characters of the defendants.
Gilroy is collateral damage.

Bullettyme wrote:

earl the beaver wrote: How far can they go? Can they demand access to every player's text, WhatsApp and Facebook messenger? Emails? Confidential discussions with agents?

If you're discussing work via a certain messaging app (which Gilroy, Olding and Jackson may have done), your employer is entitled to any conversations or something like that. There was an EU ruling on it a few years ago I believe.

What's happening with Gilroy is a bit unbelievable. It's a bit mad.

We could be talking about completely different things... but does that ruling relate to a Romanian who was fired for sending personal emails during his work time? If so I thought that ruling could be interpreted as it being "legal" for your employer to check messages sent during working hours and on work provided equipment. If using a personal mobile during work time, they can't look at it. That said the original ruling was over turned and they were found to be in breach of the person's privacy. (I only know this, as I have a work phone and a private one and did some reading on it).

boringperson12 wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:

earl the beaver wrote: How far can they go? Can they demand access to every player's text, WhatsApp and Facebook messenger? Emails? Confidential discussions with agents?

If you're discussing work via a certain messaging app (which Gilroy, Olding and Jackson may have done), your employer is entitled to any conversations or something like that. There was an EU ruling on it a few years ago I believe.

What's happening with Gilroy is a bit unbelievable. It's a bit mad.

We could be talking about completely different things... but does that ruling relate to a Romanian who was fired for sending personal emails during his work time? If so I thought that ruling could be interpreted as it being "legal" for your employer to check messages sent during working hours and on work provided equipment. If using a personal mobile during work time, they can't look at it. That said the original ruling was over turned and they were found to be in breach of the person's privacy. (I only know this, as I have a work phone and a private one and did some reading on it).

I wouldn’t be doing any eh reading on your work phone.

Willie Falloon wrote:

unseenwork wrote:Oh wow, the u19s smashed France 46-17. Azur Allison scored two tries.

http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixtures ... /41750.php

Wasn't expecting that at all. 4 or 5 Ulster boys starting as well.

Also, 4 out of the 5 tries scored by Ulster prospects.

This fella Allison is hopefully good.

He is very good, could make World Cup depending on injuries.

CM11 wrote:You gotta love Willie promoting violence while trying to take the moral high ground defending the players because they've been found innocent of a violent crime.

Advocating violence against a group of protesters that i'd guess are 90% female too. Classy

fishooks15 wrote:

CM11 wrote:You gotta love Willie promoting violence while trying to take the moral high ground defending the players because they've been found innocent of a violent crime.

Advocating violence against a group of protesters that i'd guess are 90% female too. Classy

The 200/300 Protesters in Belfast were not anywhere near 90% woman.

Who was advocating violance?

Indo reporting Carbery to Ulster

Willie Falloon wrote:

fishooks15 wrote:

CM11 wrote:You gotta love Willie promoting violence while trying to take the moral high ground defending the players because they've been found innocent of a violent crime.

Advocating violence against a group of protesters that i'd guess are 90% female too. Classy

The 200/300 Protesters in Belfast were not anywhere near 90% woman.

Who was advocating violance?

If you're going to act the hard internet man at least back it up

You, literally four inches above:

"v can tell you now, if they are standing in front of me on the footpath, shouting their dung, invading my space and waving a tricolour, they will be heading, headfirst into the nearest hedge."

Yer Man wrote:

boringperson12 wrote:Maybe the officials, players and fans who ran McCall out of Ulster are gone now...

You'd think if McCall wanted to move on it would be to an International Job.
Or a French giant.

He'd have to take quite a status drop to come back into Irish Rugby and start working towards the Ireland job (post-post-Schmidt)

He has been in France Before ...

(not from a moneybag club though, just Castres With Davidson)

Duff Paddy wrote:Indo reporting Carbery to Ulster

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 72653.html

irishrugbyua wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:Indo reporting Carbery to Ulster

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 72653.html

Lord would i love to see him in Munster

I will be f**king sickened if he leaves Leinster.

Carbs saying he isn't going anywhere... yet

fishooks15 wrote:

Willie Falloon wrote:

fishooks15 wrote:

CM11 wrote:You gotta love Willie promoting violence while trying to take the moral high ground defending the players because they've been found innocent of a violent crime.

Advocating violence against a group of protesters that i'd guess are 90% female too. Classy

The 200/300 Protesters in Belfast were not anywhere near 90% woman.

Who was advocating violance?

If you're going to act the hard internet man at least back it up

You, literally four inches above:

"v can tell you now, if they are standing in front of me on the footpath, shouting their dung, invading my space and waving a tricolour, they will be heading, headfirst into the nearest hedge."

Indeed, I will. Any male protestor shouting at me and invading my space, will be caught by the neck and f**ked out of the way.


Cancerous people.

danthefan wrote:I will be f**king sickened if he leaves Leinster.

With Ross Byrne looking a bit shakey lately and obviously Sexton getting on I think it would be madness but you'd wonder how much sway Schmidt's opinion could have over him ahead of the WC

Maybe he could go for a year or two and we'll give him bacK?!

danthefan wrote:I will be f**king sickened if he leaves Leinster.

If the IRFU are going to bin Jackson and Olding off despite the not guilty verdict because of a social media storm they will be under pressure to replace them in Ulster's squad given the vacuum at 10.

Willie Falloon wrote:

fishooks15 wrote:

Willie Falloon wrote:

fishooks15 wrote:

CM11 wrote:You gotta love Willie promoting violence while trying to take the moral high ground defending the players because they've been found innocent of a violent crime.

Advocating violence against a group of protesters that i'd guess are 90% female too. Classy

The 200/300 Protesters in Belfast were not anywhere near 90% woman.

Who was advocating violance?

If you're going to act the hard internet man at least back it up

You, literally four inches above:

"v can tell you now, if they are standing in front of me on the footpath, shouting their dung, invading my space and waving a tricolour, they will be heading, headfirst into the nearest hedge."

Indeed, I will. Any male protestor shouting at me and invading my space, will be caught by the neck and f**ked out of the way.


Cancerous people.

He sounds pretty happy to stay at Leinster.

"The coaches have good confidence in me. I'm pretty happy where I am, to be honest.

"I don't see myself moving," he said.

"As far as when the time comes to be number one, whether it be 10 or 15, playing week in, week out for Leinster and Ireland - that is the end goal, the main ambition.

"It is very tough to put a timeline on it. You just don't know what will happen. One injury could change it all.

"I am very ambitious. If I could be number one choice, I would be. Look, I can't be impatient. Otherwise I won't be happy. I'm pretty happy with where I am at the moment.

"People say I need more game-time. (But) the teams are winning. It's not like we're losing or not going well.

"I'm very happy to be where I am and I'm learning every day. I can't really complain with the Grand Slam medal either."

We're getting to the stage now where Leinster are producing so much talent in the academy, they will need to ship some of them to the other provinces otherwise a lot of them won't get to play any rugby. Supply is going to outweigh demand in a year or two.

As much as I want Carberry to stay, he won't be getting in ahead of Sexton for another two years at least and we don't want Byrne on the bench too much either.

If this was New Zealand, Carberry would be sent to another team. It's all about supplying the national team there and should be here as well. Would be hard to stomach though.

irishrugbyua wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:Indo reporting Carbery to Ulster

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 72653.html

The lack of named sources (growing suggestions, feelings in some quarters etc. ) would lead me to believe that this story was concocted in either Indo House, or, more likely in an adjacent public house.

iarmhiman wrote:We're getting to the stage now where Leinster are producing so much talent in the academy, they will need to ship some of them to the other provinces otherwise a lot of them won't get to play any rugby. Supply is going to outweigh demand in a year or two.

As much as I want Carberry to stay, he won't be getting in ahead of Sexton for another two years at least and we don't want Byrne on the bench too much either.

If this was New Zealand, Carberry would be sent to another team. It's all about supplying the national team there and should be here as well. Would be hard to stomach though.

Could just about stomach a season loan to give him gametime for the greater good. No guarantee he'd definitely come back though once the cord is cut.

iarmhiman wrote:We're getting to the stage now where Leinster are producing so much talent in the academy, they will need to ship some of them to the other provinces otherwise a lot of them won't get to play any rugby. Supply is going to outweigh demand in a year or two.

As much as I want Carberry to stay, he won't be getting in ahead of Sexton for another two years at least and we don't want Byrne on the bench too much either.

If this was New Zealand, Carberry would be sent to another team. It's all about supplying the national team there and should be here as well. Would be hard to stomach though.

That's shipping off the talent that's not the cream. Carbs is very much the cream and if we are shipping off the likes of him that's a line crosses that should not be.

Willie Falloon wrote:

fishooks15 wrote:

Willie Falloon wrote:

fishooks15 wrote:

CM11 wrote:You gotta love Willie promoting violence while trying to take the moral high ground defending the players because they've been found innocent of a violent crime.

Advocating violence against a group of protesters that i'd guess are 90% female too. Classy

The 200/300 Protesters in Belfast were not anywhere near 90% woman.

Who was advocating violance?

If you're going to act the hard internet man at least back it up

You, literally four inches above:

"v can tell you now, if they are standing in front of me on the footpath, shouting their dung, invading my space and waving a tricolour, they will be heading, headfirst into the nearest hedge."

Indeed, I will. Any male protestor shouting at me and invading my space, will be caught by the neck and f**ked out of the way.


Cancerous people.

Not one for the auld equality, I see.

iarmhiman wrote:We're getting to the stage now where Leinster are producing so much talent in the academy, they will need to ship some of them to the other provinces otherwise a lot of them won't get to play any rugby. Supply is going to outweigh demand in a year or two.

As much as I want Carberry to stay, he won't be getting in ahead of Sexton for another two years at least and we don't want Byrne on the bench too much either.

If this was New Zealand, Carberry would be sent to another team. It's all about supplying the national team there and should be here as well. Would be hard to stomach though.

Eh no. System seems to be working quite well at the moment.

iarmhiman wrote:We're getting to the stage now where Leinster are producing so much talent in the academy, they will need to ship some of them to the other provinces otherwise a lot of them won't get to play any rugby. Supply is going to outweigh demand in a year or two.

As much as I want Carberry to stay, he won't be getting in ahead of Sexton for another two years at least and we don't want Byrne on the bench too much either.

If this was New Zealand, Carberry would be sent to another team. It's all about supplying the national team there and should be here as well. Would be hard to stomach though.

I put it to you, keep him, the recent 18/19/20 sides haven't been as dominated by Leinster kids as they used too.

Ulster have a lot of players off their books as well. We're struggling for it, who knew 3 seasons go we'd be short in the backs!!!

Yeah like if Carbery came to Leo and said I'm moving for gametime at ten I honestly think Byrne would be packing his bags up north before he let Joey go

He's got a huge ceiling. Would be madness

Willie Falloon wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:We're getting to the stage now where Leinster are producing so much talent in the academy, they will need to ship some of them to the other provinces otherwise a lot of them won't get to play any rugby. Supply is going to outweigh demand in a year or two.

As much as I want Carberry to stay, he won't be getting in ahead of Sexton for another two years at least and we don't want Byrne on the bench too much either.

If this was New Zealand, Carberry would be sent to another team. It's all about supplying the national team there and should be here as well. Would be hard to stomach though.

I put it to you, keep him, the recent 18/19/20 sides haven't been as dominated by Leinster kids as they used too.

Thankfully, Leinster still producing talent just other provinces stepping their game up too.

Ulster should really just invest in a veteran NIQ outhalf as mentor to Lowry and probably Bruce Houston. Not Lilo, a player who actually is an out half.

Carbery or Byrne to Connacht and ship Carty or Ronaldson to Ulster.
Carty and ronaldson have previously played with Cooney so it should make sense in terms of continuity.