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redrebel wrote:

piaras wrote:Live feed has kicked in.

15. Kearney
14. Gilroy
13. O'Driscoll
12. D'Arcy
11. Zebo
10. Sexton
9. Murray
1. Healy
2. Best
3. Ross
4. McCarthy
5. Ryan
6. O'Mahony
7. O'Brien
8. Heaslip

16. Cronin
17. Kilcoyne
18. Fitzpatrick
19. DOC
20. Henry
21. Reddan
22. Rodge
23. Earls

In fairness to Decy Rodge aside thats quite a good bench...Reddan,DOC,Henry for the bit of impact and to change things up a bit..Cronin if you want a bit of free running in the loose..Killer is Healy-lite..Fitzpatrick is not Bent so thats a plus and Earls to cover centre and wing.

DOC isn't an impact player. Reddan will make an impact if Murray plays as slow as he has at times, as anyone would look quick compared to that. Henry isn't an impact player - he should either start and give his all at the breakdown for 60-70 mins, or don't bother picking him. Killer is worthwhile trying, Deccie Fitz is there by default and Keet is jack of all trades, master of none so ok on the bench.

Will Ireland finish the game with Rodge at 10, Sexton at 12 and Keet at 13?

What with Sexton fecking off to france and Kearney putting whispers in the wind about leaving is it not time to re-evaluate that infamous team get together in Xmas 08 where Munster players loyality to the Irish jersey over the Munster jersey was called into question?With the passing of time is it not clearer now that the Leinster boys do not in fact give a flying fudge about the Blue Magic and are only in it for the quick buck while the plain folk of Munster reamin here loyal and steadfast with pride and passion.















f**king Martyrs we are!!!

camroc1 wrote:Lads, the IRFU dropped Fitz from his Irish contract when he was injured; and it was Leinster who gave him a contract through his rehab.


Can you all give yourselves uppercuts.

Camroc you do realise its down to the IRFU if a player gets a contract or not,all players in the provinces are on IRFU contracts,it may be a contarct to play in Leinster or Munster but it's still an IRFU contract.

redrebel wrote:

piaras wrote:Live feed has kicked in.

15. Kearney
14. Gilroy
13. O'Driscoll
12. D'Arcy
11. Zebo
10. Sexton
9. Murray
1. Healy
2. Best
3. Ross
4. McCarthy
5. Ryan
6. O'Mahony
7. O'Brien
8. Heaslip

16. Cronin
17. Kilcoyne
18. Fitzpatrick
19. DOC
20. Henry
21. Reddan
22. Rodge
23. Earls

In fairness to Decy Rodge aside thats quite a good bench...Reddan,DOC,Henry for the bit of impact and to change things up a bit..Cronin if you want a bit of free running in the loose..Killer is Healy-lite..Fitzpatrick is not Bent so thats a plus and Earls to cover centre and wing.

Henderson really ought to be ahead of doc.

And "Radge aside" is still a big "aside."

And "Radgicide" would be a much better idea.

mikerob wrote:

redrebel wrote:

piaras wrote:Live feed has kicked in.

15. Kearney
14. Gilroy
13. O'Driscoll
12. D'Arcy
11. Zebo
10. Sexton
9. Murray
1. Healy
2. Best
3. Ross
4. McCarthy
5. Ryan
6. O'Mahony
7. O'Brien
8. Heaslip

16. Cronin
17. Kilcoyne
18. Fitzpatrick
19. DOC
20. Henry
21. Reddan
22. Rodge
23. Earls

In fairness to Decy Rodge aside thats quite a good bench...Reddan,DOC,Henry for the bit of impact and to change things up a bit..Cronin if you want a bit of free running in the loose..Killer is Healy-lite..Fitzpatrick is not Bent so thats a plus and Earls to cover centre and wing.

DOC isn't an impact player. Reddan will make an impact if Murray plays as slow as he has at times, as anyone would look quick compared to that. Henry isn't an impact player - he should either start and give his all at the breakdown for 60-70 mins, or don't bother picking him. Killer is worthwhile trying, Deccie Fitz is there by default and Keet is jack of all trades, master of none so ok on the bench.

Will Ireland finish the game with Rodge at 10, Sexton at 12 and Keet at 13?

For which team?

IBWT wrote:Looking over on Gwlad they seem pretty confident again after seeing the Ireland team. Feel the Irish backline lacks the size and physicality to cope with Roberts, North, Cuthbert, etc.

But we were never going to conjure up a couple of monsters into the backline. We are what we are.

grimoald wrote:On the Earls passing front, he's the only one of Ireland's back three players who actually attempts to pass.

I cant find it, but I'm sure there is a picture of Comic Book Guy somewhere with the tagline "Worst Defence Ever!"

And yes, that is a layered criticism.

redrebel wrote:What with Sexton fecking off to france and Kearney putting whispers in the wind about leaving is it not time to re-evaluate that infamous team get together in Xmas 08 where Munster players loyality to the Irish jersey over the Munster jersey was called into question?With the passing of time is it not clearer now that the Leinster boys do not in fact give a flying fudge about the Blue Magic and are only in it for the quick buck while the plain folk of Munster reamin here loyal and steadfast with pride and passion.















f**king Martyrs we are!!!

You haven't given any evidence that the Munster lads care more about the green jersey than the red. It's very clear that the Leinster lads pick green over blue; BOD had 50 caps for Ireland before Leinster. Sexton has made concessions in his new contract to be allowed play for Ireland. There's no questioning the lads' loyalty to their country.

The Sun God wrote:

IBWT wrote:Looking over on Gwlad they seem pretty confident again after seeing the Ireland team. Feel the Irish backline lacks the size and physicality to cope with Roberts, North, Cuthbert, etc.

But we were never going to conjure up a couple of monsters into the backline. We are what we are.

Trimble is more than big and strong enough to handle North and Cuthbert if we wanted to pick him, but even at that, Zebo and Gilroy and Kearney aren't exactly small lads. It's the centers where the size difference really shows up; our halfbacks are bigger than our 12 and 13.

Mr. Very Popular wrote:

camroc1 wrote:Lads, the IRFU dropped Fitz from his Irish contract when he was injured; and it was Leinster who gave him a contract through his rehab.


Can you all give yourselves uppercuts.

Camroc you do realise its down to the IRFU if a player gets a contract or not,all players in the provinces are on IRFU contracts,it may be a contarct to play in Leinster or Munster but it's still an IRFU contract.

That is pathetic!

Especially in the context of the discussion we're having.

The provinces also have more autonomy than that. You're saying every single contract from SOB down to the cleaners has to be ratified by an IRFU, as opposed to Leinster, committee?

Why do we bother distinguishing between Leinster money and IRFU money then?

binge90 wrote:Wingers aren't picked for their defence.

So far we have wingers aren't picked for their defense or for scoring tries - what exactly do people expect from their wingers?

is this a Devin Toner is being picked because of his excellent lifting abilities thing?

overthehillprop wrote:

binge90 wrote:Wingers aren't picked for their defence.

So far we have wingers aren't picked for their defense or for scoring tries - what exactly do people expect from their wingers?

is this a Devin Toner is being picked because of his excellent lifting abilities thing?

According to Leinster fans outhalves don't have to kick either.....

apurelegend wrote:

overthehillprop wrote:

binge90 wrote:Wingers aren't picked for their defence.

So far we have wingers aren't picked for their defense or for scoring tries - what exactly do people expect from their wingers?

is this a Devin Toner is being picked because of his excellent lifting abilities thing?

According to Leinster fans outhalves don't have to kick either.....

That is correct, they don't have to be able to kick goals.

What they do have to be able to do though, is stand on the gainline and make the right decision.

DOB wrote:Henderson really ought to be ahead of doc.

The worrying thing is that you might actually believe that.

camroc1 wrote:

apurelegend wrote:

overthehillprop wrote:

binge90 wrote:Wingers aren't picked for their defence.

So far we have wingers aren't picked for their defense or for scoring tries - what exactly do people expect from their wingers?

is this a Devin Toner is being picked because of his excellent lifting abilities thing?

According to Leinster fans outhalves don't have to kick either.....

That is correct, they don't have to be able to kick goals.What they do have to be able to do though, is stand on the gainline and make the right decision.

apurelegend wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

apurelegend wrote:

overthehillprop wrote:

binge90 wrote:Wingers aren't picked for their defence.

So far we have wingers aren't picked for their defense or for scoring tries - what exactly do people expect from their wingers?

is this a Devin Toner is being picked because of his excellent lifting abilities thing?

According to Leinster fans outhalves don't have to kick either.....

That is correct, they don't have to be able to kick goals.What they do have to be able to do though, is stand on the gainline and make the right decision.

Uncle Fester wrote:

DOB wrote:Henderson really ought to be ahead of doc.

The worrying thing is that you might actually believe that.

I'm not even remotely surprised or worried that you might not.

Kicking goals, and having the skills to be a good OH are different skillsets. It is perfectly normal to be able to do one, without being very good at the other.

Can any Munster players kick who aren't out-halves?

Ulster have Pienaar and Wallace, Leinster have McFadden. Most OHs do kick, but it's not a necessity if you've got other good footballers.

camroc1 wrote:Kicking goals, and having the skills to be a good OH are different skillsets. It is perfectly normal to be able to do one, without being very good at the other.

Game Set and Match Cammy.

Just post this.
I couldnt give a flute if the Loosehead Prop was the kicker provided he was the best at it.

fudge off Kidney you f**king wankstain.

Justice for Henry.

Bernie lurks on PR. "Wot the fack is that purenobend idiot on about now?"

anonymous_joe wrote:Can any Munster players kick who aren't out-halves?

Ulster have Pienaar and Wallace, Leinster have McFadden. Most OHs do kick, but it's not a necessity if you've got other good footballers.

Murray is a decent goal kicker, as is Brian Haugh a scrum half in the academy.

Don't know why any of you are giving APL oxygen.

Banana Man wrote:

anonymous_joe wrote:Can any Munster players kick who aren't out-halves?

Ulster have Pienaar and Wallace, Leinster have McFadden. Most OHs do kick, but it's not a necessity if you've got other good footballers.

Murray is a decent goal kicker, as is Brian Haugh a scrum half in the academy.

Hopefully that'll lead to a shift in attitude.

Banana Man wrote:

anonymous_joe wrote:Can any Munster players kick who aren't out-halves?

Ulster have Pienaar and Wallace, Leinster have McFadden. Most OHs do kick, but it's not a necessity if you've got other good footballers.

Murray is a decent goal kicker, as is Brian Haugh a scrum half in the academy.

I saw TOL take over kicking duties once or twice. He was very good at jobs he didn't have to hurry up at.

anonymous_joe wrote:

Banana Man wrote:

anonymous_joe wrote:Can any Munster players kick who aren't out-halves?

Ulster have Pienaar and Wallace, Leinster have McFadden. Most OHs do kick, but it's not a necessity if you've got other good footballers.

Murray is a decent goal kicker, as is Brian Haugh a scrum half in the academy.

Hopefully that'll lead to a shift in attitude.

Fingers crossed, bar the Metro game Keatleys kicking stats have been pretty good this season.

And JJ is well able to kick.
Both of whom are also able to run with the ball and dont have to stand 15m behind the gainline.

camroc1 wrote:Kicking goals, and having the skills to be a good OH are different skillsets. It is perfectly normal to be able to do one, without being very good at the other.

Just to clarify, I mean in a situation where the out half is your primary goal kicker.

CM11 wrote:Don't know why any of you are giving APL oxygen.

Yawn. Here comes the boreds saddest man.

DOB wrote:

Banana Man wrote:

anonymous_joe wrote:Can any Munster players kick who aren't out-halves?

Ulster have Pienaar and Wallace, Leinster have McFadden. Most OHs do kick, but it's not a necessity if you've got other good footballers.

Murray is a decent goal kicker, as is Brian Haugh a scrum half in the academy.

I saw TOL take over kicking duties once or twice. He was very good at jobs he didn't have to hurry up at.

Twas against the Ospreys in 09 in Ospreyland.

Warwick went off injured and his replacment was Conan Doyle, who also went off.
TOL finished the game at 10 and had 2 penalties and a conversion or something like that.

I lament the fact that most young players jack in goal kicking oce they are in a team with an established kicker. If we had a 9, 12 or 15 who was a proficient goal kicker it would take a lot of pressure off any new 10s that we wanted to blood.

DOB wrote:

Uncle Fester wrote:

DOB wrote:Henderson really ought to be ahead of doc.

The worrying thing is that you might actually believe that.

I'm not even remotely surprised or worried that you might not.

He has played 2 games ever for Ulster at second row.

Anything to support your position other than not liking Munster lads in the team?

etherman wrote:I lament the fact that most young players jack in goal kicking oce they are in a team with an established kicker. If we had a 9, 12 or 15 who was a proficient goal kicker it would take a lot of pressure off any new 10s that we wanted to blood.

I know a No.8/Lock who is a great goal kicker.

CM11 wrote:

Mr. Very Popular wrote:

camroc1 wrote:Lads, the IRFU dropped Fitz from his Irish contract when he was injured; and it was Leinster who gave him a contract through his rehab.


Can you all give yourselves uppercuts.

Camroc you do realise its down to the IRFU if a player gets a contract or not,all players in the provinces are on IRFU contracts,it may be a contarct to play in Leinster or Munster but it's still an IRFU contract.

That is pathetic!

Especially in the context of the discussion we're having.

The provinces also have more autonomy than that. You're saying every single contract from SOB down to the cleaners has to be ratified by an IRFU, as opposed to Leinster, committee?

Why do we bother distinguishing between Leinster money and IRFU money then?

All direct rugby realted employees are on IRFU contracts,simple as that.
If the IRFU wanted too they could tell any employee to work for a different province/team the next week.

etherman wrote:I lament the fact that most young players jack in goal kicking oce they are in a team with an established kicker. If we had a 9, 12 or 15 who was a proficient goal kicker it would take a lot of pressure off any new 10s that we wanted to blood.

Leamy was a cracking kicker and took all the place kicks right up to SCT level with Rockwell.

Mr. Very Popular wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Mr. Very Popular wrote:

camroc1 wrote:Lads, the IRFU dropped Fitz from his Irish contract when he was injured; and it was Leinster who gave him a contract through his rehab.


Can you all give yourselves uppercuts.

Camroc you do realise its down to the IRFU if a player gets a contract or not,all players in the provinces are on IRFU contracts,it may be a contarct to play in Leinster or Munster but it's still an IRFU contract.

That is pathetic!

Especially in the context of the discussion we're having.

The provinces also have more autonomy than that. You're saying every single contract from SOB down to the cleaners has to be ratified by an IRFU, as opposed to Leinster, committee?

Why do we bother distinguishing between Leinster money and IRFU money then?

All direct rugby realted employees are on IRFU contracts,simple as that.
If the IRFU wanted too they could tell any employee to work for a different province/team the next week.

You mean they could try. If they actually attempted to force anyone into a new province who didn't want to go they wouldn't have a hope in hell. As they found out when they tried to force McCormack to stay at Ulster.

gutted for Chad, I genuinely think he deserved to start.
that and POM annoys me with his dickhead antics

I'm hoping that Kilcoyne on the bench is a player development selection, if Healy was injured, would he be starting? TC has responded superbly to being left out in the Autumn, and I think he's better than Kilcoyne right now.

Rog on the bench, not ideal, but then Jacko has been ordinary of late, and Mad dog didn't really do much in the A game, but still, not ideal.

DOC on bench, hmmm... if Kilcoyne is a development selection, then Henderson... no Kilcoyne's not a development selection is he...hmmmm

ok team picked, let's get on and win this fucken thing.

Remember that time Leamy got a central contract and SOB didn't? That was f**king retarded.


Anyway on the team, I'm pretty happy overall. RADGE! is a f**king pathetic call but it was always going to happen.

danthefan wrote:Remember that time Leamy got a central contract and SOB didn't? That was f**king retarded.

And Leamy hadn't played for Ireland for a couple of years previously, and retired due to injury a couple of months later, not having played in the meantime.

bobbyfatfingers wrote:ok team picked, let's get on and win this fucken thing.

Amen to that.