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nardol wrote:
We are taking the complete piss if we start with these short terms loans to other provinces.


The other pro14 will should and will be justified in complaining.

It will kill all rivalry between the teams if the revolving door approach is started. By all means transfer them out carbs style but do not start with sharing players. Who would buy a ticket to a game that are training matches in a league?

Couldn't disagree more. Player loans are not a new thing. Everyone does it occasionally. Here in Ireland it makes even more sense when the wages all come from the same pot anyway and the national side takes precedence. From a Leinster perspective it's far preferable to losing the player altogether a la Carbery if it can be at all helped. The loan deal can then become more permanent if it suits the player e.g. Quin Roux.


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If JvG wanted a joker, the IRFU were always going to find it difficult to have a valid reason to say no. Munster are only in this spot because Schmidt consciously chose to damage Carberry's long term fitness so he would have him available for the RWC.

Edit: I see it's Cummisky in the times. He'd make Conor George look like an impartial and balanced sports journalist. Might as well strike it off as trolling nonsense in search of rage clicks.

If hysterical Jinny Anne’s like yourself had not got their pitchforks sharpened then Jackson would be back in Ulster and Ireland and thus joey wouldn’t have been needed in Japan
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Extend Mathewson contract for the season. Let Murray and Scannell be back up 10.


after Bleedinhells performance especially in last 5 minutes it's not the back up I'm worried about. turns out letting Bill Johnston go to Ulster wasn't such a great idea....on a side note, it was kinda priceless seeing Marty Moore as the old school retro prop ; none of this lean mean prop lark for him


Don’t agree on Johnston fwiw ticket. He’s had too long already in a queue esp with injuries. He’s at the stage where he needs games. Similar with Conor fitz at ulster. Indefinitely having a lad at that level is bad for him bad for squad etc. make the cut etc. Still hope he makes it and in 2/4 years we’re offering him a way back if he wants it

Bleedingballs is a no 3 oh to be phased out with Healy coming thro. Ideal of international no 1. Local decent lad no2 academy no 3 I suppose


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Can't see Byrne happening. He's in our European squad. We'd have to waste a change to the squad to put Frawley in.

And yes, 3 month contract required.

A loan up until Christmas could make sense (back before the Munster game on the 28th). But as you say if he's in the European squad already it probably won't happen. Wonder why the rumour is Byrne and not Frawley in that case? Also interesting that Byrne made the squad while Baird and Penny didn't. Shows how highly he's rated.


Penney will more than likely go in for Leavy and Baird might go in for Conan. Apparently the rules this season allow for more injury reversals so they've named the injured players in the squad. They then swap them out and if either return they can swap them back in again more easily than if they weren't initially named.

Oh yeah that's right. Once I saw Leavy there I remembered something about this. What exactly is the stipulation. You can name up to x amount of long term injured players and have temporary (named) replacements?


Don't think the system was designed to be gamed the way we are doing it but either way, I think it's up to 5 players can be 'temporarily' replaced and come back in when they're fit.

Logic had something to do with not knowing fitness of players due to WC/possibly higher chance of injury to key players. I think.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:57 pm 
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hermie wrote:
nardol wrote:
We are taking the complete piss if we start with these short terms loans to other provinces.


The other pro14 will should and will be justified in complaining.

It will kill all rivalry between the teams if the revolving door approach is started. By all means transfer them out carbs style but do not start with sharing players. Who would buy a ticket to a game that are training matches in a league?

Couldn't disagree more. Player loans are not a new thing. Everyone does it occasionally. Here in Ireland it makes even more sense when the wages all come from the same pot anyway and the national side takes precedence. From a Leinster perspective it's far preferable to losing the player altogether a la Carbery if it can be at all helped. The loan deal can then become more permanent if it suits the player e.g. Quin Roux.



Only central contracts are funded by the IRFU.
The provinces pay their own wage bills.

Players crossing the provincial border in terms of who they represent will cause damage to the integrity to the irish rivalry. It already has.


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Only central contracts are funded by the IRFU.
The provinces pay their own wage bills.


And the provinces get their wage budgets from the IRFU, no?


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nardol wrote:
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We are taking the complete piss if we start with these short terms loans to other provinces.


The other pro14 will should and will be justified in complaining.

It will kill all rivalry between the teams if the revolving door approach is started. By all means transfer them out carbs style but do not start with sharing players. Who would buy a ticket to a game that are training matches in a league?

Couldn't disagree more. Player loans are not a new thing. Everyone does it occasionally. Here in Ireland it makes even more sense when the wages all come from the same pot anyway and the national side takes precedence. From a Leinster perspective it's far preferable to losing the player altogether a la Carbery if it can be at all helped. The loan deal can then become more permanent if it suits the player e.g. Quin Roux.



Only central contracts are funded by the IRFU.
The provinces pay their own wage bills.

Players crossing the provincial border in terms of who they represent will cause damage to the integrity to the irish rivalry. It already has.

One contract is directly with the IRFU, the other is with the province but the money all comes from the IRFU at the end of the day.

Perhaps it already has, loan deals are still the lesser of two evils imho.


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All contracts are with the IRFU. The provinces then pay the IRFU an agreed amount each season.


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Can someone tell me what has happened to Stockdale? Form has just dropped off a cliff recently.


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Can someone tell me what has happened to Stockdale? Form has just dropped off a cliff recently.


He was so poor on Friday night. His defensive basics aren't good enough for Pro14 level right now, nevermind test rugby


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Also, has Lowe put on a few pounds recently? Looks more 'solid' than usual.


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Can't see Byrne happening. He's in our European squad. We'd have to waste a change to the squad to put Frawley in.

And yes, 3 month contract required.

A loan up until Christmas could make sense (back before the Munster game on the 28th). But as you say if he's in the European squad already it probably won't happen. Wonder why the rumour is Byrne and not Frawley in that case? Also interesting that Byrne made the squad while Baird and Penny didn't. Shows how highly he's rated.


Penney will more than likely go in for Leavy and Baird might go in for Conan. Apparently the rules this season allow for more injury reversals so they've named the injured players in the squad. They then swap them out and if either return they can swap them back in again more easily than if they weren't initially named.


Baird for Conan
Penny for Leavy
JOB for Daly
Frawley for McFadden
Bryan Byrne for Cronin

Something like that?


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nardol wrote:
Is Munster over 50% non Munster yet?


Nah it's roughly 60-40 which is still poor.

We should be using this injury crisis as an opportunity to blood Healy and if we're serious about bringing the Wycherleys, the Coombes, Cronin, Healy, Flannery, Hodnett, O'Sullivan, French and Daly through, we should be starting next season with the squad looking more than 70% Munster bred.

That would require Parker, Holloway, Botha, Oliver, Matthewson, Bleyendaal, Arnold and Wooton all moving on.


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diarm wrote:
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Is Munster over 50% non Munster yet?


Nah it's roughly 60-40 which is still poor.

We should be using this injury crisis as an opportunity to blood Healy and if we're serious about bringing the Wycherleys, Coombes, Cronin, Healy, Flannery, Hodnett, O'Sullivan, French and Daly through, we should be starting next season with the squad looking more than 70% Munster bred.

That would require Parker, Holloway, Botha, Oliver, Matthewson, Bleyendaal, Arnold and Wooton all moving on.


Botha and Bleyendaal are both average NIQ's and should have been moved on already

The difference in quality when JJ went off for Tyler on Friday was noticeable


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Tyler B does not inspire confidence, he had a bad enough game last weekend and looks shot. The Ospreys look even more shot and you'd hope Racing have bigger fish to fry so fingers crossed we can navigate our way through the opening fortnight and get JJ fit for Sarries.

I'd be very pissed off if Munster are contemplating a request for Byrne to come down. He has 130 minutes of pro rugby under his belt, if we are stuck with having to punt for an inexperienced 20 year old option I'd rather it was Healy getting the minutes and exposure.


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nardol wrote:
Is Munster over 50% non Munster yet?


Nah it's roughly 60-40 which is still poor.

We should be using this injury crisis as an opportunity to blood Healy and if we're serious about bringing the Wycherleys, Coombes, Cronin, Healy, Flannery, Hodnett, O'Sullivan, French and Daly through, we should be starting next season with the squad looking more than 70% Munster bred.

That would require Parker, Holloway, Botha, Oliver, Matthewson, Bleyendaal, Arnold and Wooton all moving on.


Botha and Bleyendaal are both average NIQ's and should have been moved on already

The difference in quality when JJ went off for Tyler on Friday was noticeable


Agreed. I had high hopes for Oliver and Wooton as well, but neither have kicked on and the opportunities should now be (and seemingly are being) given to guys like Hodnett and Daly or Coombes instead.


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In fairness, from the wording of that article Cummiskey appears to be pulling the idea from his arse rather than suggesting he has any inside information as to such a move.


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In fairness, from the wording of that article Cummiskey appears to be pulling the idea from his arse rather than suggesting he has any inside information as to such a move.


Thought the same.


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hermie wrote:
nardol wrote:
We are taking the complete piss if we start with these short terms loans to other provinces.


The other pro14 will should and will be justified in complaining.

It will kill all rivalry between the teams if the revolving door approach is started. By all means transfer them out carbs style but do not start with sharing players. Who would buy a ticket to a game that are training matches in a league?

Couldn't disagree more. Player loans are not a new thing. Everyone does it occasionally. Here in Ireland it makes even more sense when the wages all come from the same pot anyway and the national side takes precedence. From a Leinster perspective it's far preferable to losing the player altogether a la Carbery if it can be at all helped. The loan deal can then become more permanent if it suits the player e.g. Quin Roux.


Yeah, it's hardly like the time Ireland turned up in Cardiff in 1884 two players short and had to get some Welsh guys to play for them.


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In fairness, from the wording of that article Cummiskey appears to be pulling the idea from his arse rather than suggesting he has any inside information as to such a move.

He's such a fcuking tool


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hermie wrote:
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In fairness, from the wording of that article Cummiskey appears to be pulling the idea from his arse rather than suggesting he has any inside information as to such a move.

He's such a fcuking tool


100% this.


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Munster Squad for 2020/21 if Diarm was in charge:

Props - Killer, Cronin, Loughman, Ryan, Archer with O'Connor, Scott and Wycherley as back up. Release Parker.
Hookers - Marshall, O'Byrne and Scannell.
Locks - Syman, Wycherley and Beirne with O'Connor and O'Shea as back up. Release Holloway and allow Holland retire.
If he's interested, bring Dillane home from Connacht and send them Kleyn in his place.
Back row - O'Mahony, Coombes, O'Donnell, Cloete, Hodnett, Stander, O'Sullivan and O'Donoghue with Daly as back up. Release Botha and Oliver.
Scrum Half - Murray, Casey and one of Cronin or McCarthy. Release Matthewson and the other of Cronin or McCarthy.
Out Half - Carberry, Hanrahan and Healy. Release Bleyendaal.
Centres - De Allende, Scannell, Farrell and Goggin with French as back up. Release Arnold.
Wings - Conway, Earls, Daly and Sweetnam with Coombes and Nash as back up. Release Wooton.
Full Back - Haley with Wren as back up. If he's interested, bring Zebo home from Racing.

That's a 45 man squad. 34 of them from Munster, another 5 from other provinces, 4 imports who are or will be IQ and 2 world class imports who are non-IQ.


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diarm wrote:
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nardol wrote:
Is Munster over 50% non Munster yet?


Nah it's roughly 60-40 which is still poor.

We should be using this injury crisis as an opportunity to blood Healy and if we're serious about bringing the Wycherleys, Coombes, Cronin, Healy, Flannery, Hodnett, O'Sullivan, French and Daly through, we should be starting next season with the squad looking more than 70% Munster bred.

That would require Parker, Holloway, Botha, Oliver, Matthewson, Bleyendaal, Arnold and Wooton all moving on.


Botha and Bleyendaal are both average NIQ's and should have been moved on already

The difference in quality when JJ went off for Tyler on Friday was noticeable


Agreed. I had high hopes for Oliver and Wooton as well, but neither have kicked on and the opportunities should now be (and seemingly are being) given to guys like Hodnett and Daly or Coombes instead.


I think even if he had a mare I’d prefer Healy tbh.

Parker wooton Arnold n Oliver are all pre Van graan. I’d be shocked if they’re still there in a year.


If as bman suggested Coombes is lacking in the game iq it’s be better to give a local with all the physical attributes gametime to see if he can grow into it. Don’t see Oliver making it tbh


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diarm wrote:
Munster Squad for 2020/21 if Diarm was in charge:

Props - Killer, Cronin, Loughman, Ryan, Archer with O'Connor, Scott and Wycherley as back up. Release Parker.
Hookers - Marshall, O'Byrne and Scannell.
Locks - Syman, Wycherley and Beirne with O'Connor and O'Shea as back up. Release Holloway and allow Holland retire.
If he's interested, bring Dillane home from Connacht and send them Kleyn in his place.
Back row - O'Mahony, Coombes, O'Donnell, Cloete, Hodnett, Stander, O'Sullivan and O'Donoghue with Daly as back up. Release Botha and Oliver.
Scrum Half - Murray, Casey and one of Cronin or McCarthy. Release Matthewson and the other of Cronin or McCarthy.
Out Half - Carberry, Hanrahan and Healy. Release Bleyendaal.
Centres - De Allende, Scannell, Farrell and Goggin with French as back up. Release Arnold.
Wings - Conway, Earls, Daly and Sweetnam with Coombes and Nash as back up. Release Wooton.
Full Back - Haley with Wren as back up. If he's interested, bring Zebo home from Racing.

That's a 45 man squad. 34 of them from Munster, another 5 from other provinces, 4 imports who are or will be IQ and 2 world class imports who are non-IQ.



All fine agree totally. Actually think that won’t be far off it tbh. except the zebedee. Can’t see the wage space tbh. He’d be on decent cash n there’s no hope of irfu help. Also jake flannery at fb. Wonder is Gavin Coombes more suited to 4?

I think Mccarthy will get there over Cronin.


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Lazy Couch potato wrote:
diarm wrote:
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diarm wrote:
nardol wrote:
Is Munster over 50% non Munster yet?


Nah it's roughly 60-40 which is still poor.

We should be using this injury crisis as an opportunity to blood Healy and if we're serious about bringing the Wycherleys, Coombes, Cronin, Healy, Flannery, Hodnett, O'Sullivan, French and Daly through, we should be starting next season with the squad looking more than 70% Munster bred.

That would require Parker, Holloway, Botha, Oliver, Matthewson, Bleyendaal, Arnold and Wooton all moving on.


Botha and Bleyendaal are both average NIQ's and should have been moved on already

The difference in quality when JJ went off for Tyler on Friday was noticeable


Agreed. I had high hopes for Oliver and Wooton as well, but neither have kicked on and the opportunities should now be (and seemingly are being) given to guys like Hodnett and Daly or Coombes instead.


I think even if he had a mare I’d prefer Healy tbh.

Parker wooton Arnold n Oliver are all pre Van graan. I’d be shocked if they’re still there in a year.


If as bman suggested Coombes is lacking in the game iq it’s be better to give a local with all the physical attributes gametime to see if he can grow into it. Don’t see Oliver making it tbh


I really like Oliver but we haven't played a game plan to suit his style and even the new Larkham/Rowntree approach might not quite fit his skillset. Squad is still a bit bloated in terms of first team guys who are at this stage just a block to streaming a couple of academy lads.

Diarm- I like the squad but would probably keep Kleyn, a few big lumps are still absolutely mandatory. In fairness, Dillane is a Connacht product in so far as they gave him a better deal than we were prepared to offer when he was a young lad and that sort of thing matters to players, birthplace notwithstanding. Not sure he'd want to come down. Not sure about O'Shea and O'Connor, they might be local lads but nothing suggests they can make the step up to HEC level; Kleyn might not be a top tier Test player but he has shown he is a reliable performer at Euro level.


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Lazy Couch potato wrote:
diarm wrote:
Munster Squad for 2020/21 if Diarm was in charge:

Props - Killer, Cronin, Loughman, Ryan, Archer with O'Connor, Scott and Wycherley as back up. Release Parker.
Hookers - Marshall, O'Byrne and Scannell.
Locks - Syman, Wycherley and Beirne with O'Connor and O'Shea as back up. Release Holloway and allow Holland retire.
If he's interested, bring Dillane home from Connacht and send them Kleyn in his place.
Back row - O'Mahony, Coombes, O'Donnell, Cloete, Hodnett, Stander, O'Sullivan and O'Donoghue with Daly as back up. Release Botha and Oliver.
Scrum Half - Murray, Casey and one of Cronin or McCarthy. Release Matthewson and the other of Cronin or McCarthy.
Out Half - Carberry, Hanrahan and Healy. Release Bleyendaal.
Centres - De Allende, Scannell, Farrell and Goggin with French as back up. Release Arnold.
Wings - Conway, Earls, Daly and Sweetnam with Coombes and Nash as back up. Release Wooton.
Full Back - Haley with Wren as back up. If he's interested, bring Zebo home from Racing.

That's a 45 man squad. 34 of them from Munster, another 5 from other provinces, 4 imports who are or will be IQ and 2 world class imports who are non-IQ.



All fine agree totally. except the zebedee. Can’t see the wage space tbh. He’d be on decent cash n there’s no hope of irfu help.

I think Mccarthy will get there over Cronin.


That's a fair point on Zebo. I don't imagine Syman and De Allende are coming cheap and the time is approaching that we'll have to start thinking about paying for guys like O'Mahony and Earls as they come to the end of their central contracts.


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diarm wrote:
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Nah it's roughly 60-40 which is still poor.

We should be using this injury crisis as an opportunity to blood Healy and if we're serious about bringing the Wycherleys, Coombes, Cronin, Healy, Flannery, Hodnett, O'Sullivan, French and Daly through, we should be starting next season with the squad looking more than 70% Munster bred.

That would require Parker, Holloway, Botha, Oliver, Matthewson, Bleyendaal, Arnold and Wooton all moving on.


Botha and Bleyendaal are both average NIQ's and should have been moved on already

The difference in quality when JJ went off for Tyler on Friday was noticeable


Agreed. I had high hopes for Oliver and Wooton as well, but neither have kicked on and the opportunities should now be (and seemingly are being) given to guys like Hodnett and Daly or Coombes instead.


I think even if he had a mare I’d prefer Healy tbh.

Parker wooton Arnold n Oliver are all pre Van graan. I’d be shocked if they’re still there in a year.


If as bman suggested Coombes is lacking in the game iq it’s be better to give a local with all the physical attributes gametime to see if he can grow into it. Don’t see Oliver making it tbh


I really like Oliver but we haven't played a game plan to suit his style and even the new Larkham/Rowntree approach might not quite fit his skillset. Squad is still a bit bloated in terms of first team guys who are at this stage just a block to streaming a couple of academy lads.

Diarm- I like the squad but would probably keep Kleyn, a few big lumps are still absolutely mandatory. In fairness, Dillane is a Connacht product in so far as they gave him a better deal than we were prepared to offer when he was a young lad and that sort of thing matters to players, birthplace notwithstanding. Not sure he'd want to come down.


I think Snyman is going to be a big enough lump for any two squads!


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I think it’s unlikely o Shea and Sean o Connor both make it also diarm. More likely one of the two of them but Ahern and Eoin o Connor?(name escapes me ....Waterford lad already in academy) are considered prospects. Both v young though


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nardol wrote:
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We are taking the complete piss if we start with these short terms loans to other provinces.


The other pro14 will should and will be justified in complaining.

It will kill all rivalry between the teams if the revolving door approach is started. By all means transfer them out carbs style but do not start with sharing players. Who would buy a ticket to a game that are training matches in a league?

Couldn't disagree more. Player loans are not a new thing. Everyone does it occasionally. Here in Ireland it makes even more sense when the wages all come from the same pot anyway and the national side takes precedence. From a Leinster perspective it's far preferable to losing the player altogether a la Carbery if it can be at all helped. The loan deal can then become more permanent if it suits the player e.g. Quin Roux.



Only central contracts are funded by the IRFU.
The provinces pay their own wage bills.

Players crossing the provincial border in terms of who they represent will cause damage to the integrity to the irish rivalry. It already has.

Integrity nah, anyone I talked to doesn't care so long as you put on a red jersey that's it.


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I think it’s unlikely o Shea and Sean o Connor both make it also diarm. More likely one of the two of them but Ahern and Eoin o Connor?(name escapes me ....Waterford lad already in academy) are considered prospects. Both v young though


I feel the same but I reckon the lads coming through are a ways off yet. O'Shea and O'Connor can do a job as squad fillers for another year until they are ready and with Snyman, Beirne, Wycherley and one of Kleyn or Dillane we'd be well enough stocked. That and the fact that Holland would probably tell me to stick my idea of him retiring anyway! The fecker seems intent on going on til he's 40.


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I’d actually be very keen to keep kleyn tbh. It’s one thing that I feel toner is better but at euro level he’s more that decent...Realistically if he’s happy to stay it’s likely he’d spend his entire pro career (bar a bit of Currie cup) here. I suppose I’m a lot happier with a poach situation when it’s a guy coming,setting up roots etc. nice to see bj Botha for example living in limerick,kids hurling etc. a lot of the saffers are very keen to get citizenship etc as an option. I suppose like many I understood the want for an Irish (and better) player I’m toner at the rwc. But there was a distasteful element of abuse I felt. Until of course you’ve a good local lad to replace him etc but Continuity of the squad is important. Dillane might be from Tralee but the westies have put the hard yards into him. Different if he wants to play in red of course


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:52 pm 
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Strongly suspect holland will keep playing in the micko/chucken role until phased into the coaching staff. Even watching him you can see his lineout intelligence is very good.

Have heard similar things re Tyler and coaching


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:58 pm 
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Lazy Couch potato wrote:
I’d actually be very keen to keep kleyn tbh. It’s one thing that I feel toner is better but at euro level he’s more that decent...Realistically if he’s happy to stay it’s likely he’d spend his entire pro career (bar a bit of Currie cup) here. I suppose I’m a lot happier with a poach situation when it’s a guy coming,setting up roots etc. nice to see bj Botha for example living in limerick,kids hurling etc. a lot of the saffers are very keen to get citizenship etc as an option. I suppose like many I understood the want for an Irish (and better) player I’m toner at the rwc. But there was a distasteful element of abuse I felt. Until of course you’ve a good local lad to replace him etc but Continuity of the squad is important. Dillane might be from Tralee but the westies have put the hard yards into him. Different if he wants to play in red of course


Good post.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:17 pm 
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diarm wrote:
Munster Squad for 2020/21 if Diarm was in charge:

Props - Killer, Cronin, Loughman, Ryan, Archer with O'Connor, Scott and Wycherley as back up. Release Parker.
Hookers - Marshall, O'Byrne and Scannell.
Locks - Syman, Wycherley and Beirne with O'Connor and O'Shea as back up. Release Holloway and allow Holland retire.
If he's interested, bring Dillane home from Connacht and send them Kleyn in his place.
Back row - O'Mahony, Coombes, O'Donnell, Cloete, Hodnett, Stander, O'Sullivan and O'Donoghue with Daly as back up. Release Botha and Oliver.
Scrum Half - Murray, Casey and one of Cronin or McCarthy. Release Matthewson and the other of Cronin or McCarthy.
Out Half - Carberry, Hanrahan and Healy. Release Bleyendaal.
Centres - De Allende, Scannell, Farrell and Goggin with French as back up. Release Arnold.
Wings - Conway, Earls, Daly and Sweetnam with Coombes and Nash as back up. Release Wooton.
Full Back - Haley with Wren as back up. If he's interested, bring Zebo home from Racing.

That's a 45 man squad. 34 of them from Munster, another 5 from other provinces, 4 imports who are or will be IQ and 2 world class imports who are non-IQ.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:25 pm 
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Liathroidigloine wrote:
diarm wrote:
Munster Squad for 2020/21 if Diarm was in charge:

Props - Killer, Cronin, Loughman, Ryan, Archer with O'Connor, Scott and Wycherley as back up. Release Parker.
Hookers - Marshall, O'Byrne and Scannell.
Locks - Syman, Wycherley and Beirne with O'Connor and O'Shea as back up. Release Holloway and allow Holland retire.
If he's interested, bring Dillane home from Connacht and send them Kleyn in his place.
Back row - O'Mahony, Coombes, O'Donnell, Cloete, Hodnett, Stander, O'Sullivan and O'Donoghue with Daly as back up. Release Botha and Oliver.
Scrum Half - Murray, Casey and one of Cronin or McCarthy. Release Matthewson and the other of Cronin or McCarthy.
Out Half - Carberry, Hanrahan and Healy. Release Bleyendaal.
Centres - De Allende, Scannell, Farrell and Goggin with French as back up. Release Arnold.
Wings - Conway, Earls, Daly and Sweetnam with Coombes and Nash as back up. Release Wooton.
Full Back - Haley with Wren as back up. If he's interested, bring Zebo home from Racing.

That's a 45 man squad. 34 of them from Munster, another 5 from other provinces, 4 imports who are or will be IQ and 2 world class imports who are non-IQ.


You might want to reassess your life choices if you feel the need to painstakingly go through a post on internet forum to bold the names of non-local players in a hypothetical squad for a province you don't support.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:35 pm 
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feckwanker wrote:
Can someone tell me what has happened to Stockdale? Form has just dropped off a cliff recently.

He certainly looks like his confidence is shot to ribbons
We have to remember he’s still a relatively young guy and came from nowhere to be propelled as one of the great Irish wingers in the last twelve months
Hopefully he can get his confidence back
Perhaps a little break from rugby might do him some good


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ruckinhell wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
diarm wrote:
Munster Squad for 2020/21 if Diarm was in charge:

Props - Killer, Cronin, Loughman, Ryan, Archer with O'Connor, Scott and Wycherley as back up. Release Parker.
Hookers - Marshall, O'Byrne and Scannell.
Locks - Syman, Wycherley and Beirne with O'Connor and O'Shea as back up. Release Holloway and allow Holland retire.
If he's interested, bring Dillane home from Connacht and send them Kleyn in his place.
Back row - O'Mahony, Coombes, O'Donnell, Cloete, Hodnett, Stander, O'Sullivan and O'Donoghue with Daly as back up. Release Botha and Oliver.
Scrum Half - Murray, Casey and one of Cronin or McCarthy. Release Matthewson and the other of Cronin or McCarthy.
Out Half - Carberry, Hanrahan and Healy. Release Bleyendaal.
Centres - De Allende, Scannell, Farrell and Goggin with French as back up. Release Arnold.
Wings - Conway, Earls, Daly and Sweetnam with Coombes and Nash as back up. Release Wooton.
Full Back - Haley with Wren as back up. If he's interested, bring Zebo home from Racing.

That's a 45 man squad. 34 of them from Munster, another 5 from other provinces, 4 imports who are or will be IQ and 2 world class imports who are non-IQ.


You might want to reassess your life choices if you feel the need to painstakingly go through a post on internet forum to bold the names of non-local players in a hypothetical squad for a province you don't support.


Especially considering I'd already counted out the players who weren't Munster bred in that post!


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diarm wrote:
ruckinhell wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
diarm wrote:
Munster Squad for 2020/21 if Diarm was in charge:

Props - Killer, Cronin, Loughman, Ryan, Archer with O'Connor, Scott and Wycherley as back up. Release Parker.
Hookers - Marshall, O'Byrne and Scannell.
Locks - Syman, Wycherley and Beirne with O'Connor and O'Shea as back up. Release Holloway and allow Holland retire.
If he's interested, bring Dillane home from Connacht and send them Kleyn in his place.
Back row - O'Mahony, Coombes, O'Donnell, Cloete, Hodnett, Stander, O'Sullivan and O'Donoghue with Daly as back up. Release Botha and Oliver.
Scrum Half - Murray, Casey and one of Cronin or McCarthy. Release Matthewson and the other of Cronin or McCarthy.
Out Half - Carberry, Hanrahan and Healy. Release Bleyendaal.
Centres - De Allende, Scannell, Farrell and Goggin with French as back up. Release Arnold.
Wings - Conway, Earls, Daly and Sweetnam with Coombes and Nash as back up. Release Wooton.
Full Back - Haley with Wren as back up. If he's interested, bring Zebo home from Racing.

That's a 45 man squad. 34 of them from Munster, another 5 from other provinces, 4 imports who are or will be IQ and 2 world class imports who are non-IQ.


You might want to reassess your life choices if you feel the need to painstakingly go through a post on internet forum to bold the names of non-local players in a hypothetical squad for a province you don't support.


Especially considering I'd already counted out the players who weren't Munster bred in that post!


Incorrectly.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:39 pm 
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Couldn't face this thread after Friday until now

That Leinster pack, jaysus

And our front 5 depth is non existent. SOB 2.0 dislocated shoulder . Not good


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Liathroidigloine wrote:
diarm wrote:
ruckinhell wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
diarm wrote:
Munster Squad for 2020/21 if Diarm was in charge:

Props - Killer, Cronin, Loughman, Ryan, Archer with O'Connor, Scott and Wycherley as back up. Release Parker.
Hookers - Marshall, O'Byrne and Scannell.
Locks - Syman, Wycherley and Beirne with O'Connor and O'Shea as back up. Release Holloway and allow Holland retire.
If he's interested, bring Dillane home from Connacht and send them Kleyn in his place.
Back row - O'Mahony, Coombes, O'Donnell, Cloete, Hodnett, Stander, O'Sullivan and O'Donoghue with Daly as back up. Release Botha and Oliver.
Scrum Half - Murray, Casey and one of Cronin or McCarthy. Release Matthewson and the other of Cronin or McCarthy.
Out Half - Carberry, Hanrahan and Healy. Release Bleyendaal.
Centres - De Allende, Scannell, Farrell and Goggin with French as back up. Release Arnold.
Wings - Conway, Earls, Daly and Sweetnam with Coombes and Nash as back up. Release Wooton.
Full Back - Haley with Wren as back up. If he's interested, bring Zebo home from Racing.

That's a 45 man squad. 34 of them from Munster, another 5 from other provinces, 4 imports who are or will be IQ and 2 world class imports who are non-IQ.


You might want to reassess your life choices if you feel the need to painstakingly go through a post on internet forum to bold the names of non-local players in a hypothetical squad for a province you don't support.


Especially considering I'd already counted out the players who weren't Munster bred in that post!


Incorrectly.


:lol: :lol: :lol: What a sad sack.


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