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Lads what's the craic with these moany Southern Hemisphere cúnts?

They destroy their game by throwing away all tradition and playing each other 50 times a season and it's our problem?

Mullet 2 wrote:Lads what's the craic with these moany Southern Hemisphere cúnts?

They destroy their game by throwing away all tradition and playing each other 50 times a season and it's our problem?

They look at the financial success of the 6N and think by folding it into some sort of bastardised world league, they will be able to get their hands on some of that money. It's that simple. They justify this by saying it would be fairer for Tier 2 countries, ignoring the fact that they refuse to play them, and it is in fact 6N countries that already play Tier 2 countries regularly. But underneath all their bullshit and bluster their eyes are firmly on the money the 6N makes, and their tiny minds on how they can get their grubby paws on it.

2nd XV rugby is were it is really at. A well matched fixture is usually the best rugby you'll see all season. While there is still structure to the game there are always a couple of talent boys who are too big a liability to play in the AIL because they think are the second coming of Campo!

camroc1 wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:Lads what's the craic with these moany Southern Hemisphere cúnts?

They destroy their game by throwing away all tradition and playing each other 50 times a season and it's our problem?

They look at the financial success of the 6N and think by folding it into some sort of bastardised world league, they will be able to get their hands on some of that money. It's that simple. They justify this by saying it would be fairer for Tier 2 countries, ignoring the fact that they refuse to play them, and it is in fact 6N countries that already play Tier 2 countries regularly. But underneath all their bullshit and bluster their eyes are firmly on the money the 6N makes, and their tiny minds on how they can get their grubby paws on it.

South Africa are doing reasonably well.

NZ is just a poor country.

Australia are the real villains, they've just made a complete balls of the sport entirely. Aussie fans are also extremely fickle and don't like watching their boys lose.

anonymous_joe wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:Lads what's the craic with these moany Southern Hemisphere cúnts?

They destroy their game by throwing away all tradition and playing each other 50 times a season and it's our problem?

They look at the financial success of the 6N and think by folding it into some sort of bastardised world league, they will be able to get their hands on some of that money. It's that simple. They justify this by saying it would be fairer for Tier 2 countries, ignoring the fact that they refuse to play them, and it is in fact 6N countries that already play Tier 2 countries regularly. But underneath all their bullshit and bluster their eyes are firmly on the money the 6N makes, and their tiny minds on how they can get their grubby paws on it.

South Africa are doing reasonably well.

NZ is just a poor country.

Australia are the real villains, they've just made a complete balls of the sport entirely. Aussie fans are also extremely fickle and don't like watching their boys lose.

Eh ?

As soon as you go pro and the game is ALL about the numbers, then the weight of those numbers bears down heavily.

RSA, FR, EN all have decent numbers playing the game, decent numbers following the game, and moreso for EN/FR, sizeable decent economies/markets which can be tapped for funding.

The rest of us better fecking pray we are geographically close to EN, FR or RSA.

Pro rugby lads. We've been halfarsing it for years. It's not viable without massive changes of the sort whihc will render the game unrecognisable from where we started out.

Covid-19 provides the chance to bin it. Go back to primacy of amateur game; the club game and participation, not spectating.

Alternative is running national teams as pro outfits in a global league system; squads isolated from level beneath unless they need to give a player gametime to rehab.

Perhaps the level beneath featuring 'Super Clubs' of some sort. Which in Irish terms means Leinster, let's face it. Rest of the provinces will be faffing about at a lower level.

That's INEVITABLE or it will all go tits up.

I'd sooner see us reverse the fecking ship and get back to grassroots and when rugby was about fun, friendship, exercise etc. A distraction from work. Bah feckin' humbug.

Conspicuous wrote:

anonymous_joe wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:Lads what's the craic with these moany Southern Hemisphere cúnts?

They destroy their game by throwing away all tradition and playing each other 50 times a season and it's our problem?

They look at the financial success of the 6N and think by folding it into some sort of bastardised world league, they will be able to get their hands on some of that money. It's that simple. They justify this by saying it would be fairer for Tier 2 countries, ignoring the fact that they refuse to play them, and it is in fact 6N countries that already play Tier 2 countries regularly. But underneath all their bullshit and bluster their eyes are firmly on the money the 6N makes, and their tiny minds on how they can get their grubby paws on it.

South Africa are doing reasonably well.

NZ is just a poor country.

Australia are the real villains, they've just made a complete balls of the sport entirely. Aussie fans are also extremely fickle and don't like watching their boys lose.

Eh ?

Compared to the "tier 1" rugby nations, NZ has the least amount of resources. GNI per capita has us on $60k a year and them on $40k. Australia is $53k. South Africa is miserably poor, but that ignores the fact that there's a huge social divide and a reasonably well-off and large middle and upper-class there.

NZ is nearly the same GNI per capita as the UK and France and higher than Italy, but the small market means it's got fúck all earning power from TV, etc.

camroc1 wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:Lads what's the craic with these moany Southern Hemisphere cúnts?

They destroy their game by throwing away all tradition and playing each other 50 times a season and it's our problem?

They look at the financial success of the 6N and think by folding it into some sort of bastardised world league, they will be able to get their hands on some of that money. It's that simple. They justify this by saying it would be fairer for Tier 2 countries, ignoring the fact that they refuse to play them, and it is in fact 6N countries that already play Tier 2 countries regularly. But underneath all their bullshit and bluster their eyes are firmly on the money the 6N makes, and their tiny minds on how they can get their grubby paws on it.

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redderneck wrote:As soon as you go pro and the game is ALL about the numbers, then the weight of those numbers bears down heavily.

RSA, FR, EN all have decent numbers playing the game, decent numbers following the game, and moreso for EN/FR, sizeable decent economies/markets which can be tapped for funding.

The rest of us better fecking pray we are geographically close to EN, FR or RSA.

Pro rugby lads. We've been halfarsing it for years. It's not viable without massive changes of the sort whihc will render the game unrecognisable from where we started out.

Covid-19 provides the chance to bin it. Go back to primacy of amateur game; the club game and participation, not spectating.

Alternative is running national teams as pro outfits in a global league system; squads isolated from level beneath unless they need to give a player gametime to rehab.

Perhaps the level beneath featuring 'Super Clubs' of some sort. Which in Irish terms means Leinster, let's face it. Rest of the provinces will be faffing about at a lower level.

That's INEVITABLE or it will all go tits up.

I'd sooner see us reverse the fecking ship and get back to grassroots and when rugby was about fun, friendship, exercise etc. A distraction from work. Bah feckin' humbug.

Ireland's model isn't too bad. We can sustain four provinces. Leinster, Munster and Ulster all get comfortably north of 10k to an average game in the Pro 14. The sport isn't going to die here any time soon.

anonymous_joe wrote:

Conspicuous wrote:

anonymous_joe wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:Lads what's the craic with these moany Southern Hemisphere cúnts?

They destroy their game by throwing away all tradition and playing each other 50 times a season and it's our problem?

They look at the financial success of the 6N and think by folding it into some sort of bastardised world league, they will be able to get their hands on some of that money. It's that simple. They justify this by saying it would be fairer for Tier 2 countries, ignoring the fact that they refuse to play them, and it is in fact 6N countries that already play Tier 2 countries regularly. But underneath all their bullshit and bluster their eyes are firmly on the money the 6N makes, and their tiny minds on how they can get their grubby paws on it.

South Africa are doing reasonably well.

NZ is just a poor country.

Australia are the real villains, they've just made a complete balls of the sport entirely. Aussie fans are also extremely fickle and don't like watching their boys lose.

Eh ?

Compared to the "tier 1" rugby nations, NZ has the least amount of resources. GNI per capita has us on $60k a year and them on $40k. Australia is $53k. South Africa is miserably poor, but that ignores the fact that there's a huge social divide and a reasonably well-off and large middle and upper-class there.

NZ is nearly the same GNI per capita as the UK and France and higher than Italy, but the small market means it's got fúck all earning power from TV, etc.

It's really the last point. We've a bit more money here but we wouldn't be close to where we are without the UK and France.

camroc1 wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:Lads what's the craic with these moany Southern Hemisphere cúnts?

They destroy their game by throwing away all tradition and playing each other 50 times a season and it's our problem?

They look at the financial success of the 6N and think by folding it into some sort of bastardised world league, they will be able to get their hands on some of that money. It's that simple. They justify this by saying it would be fairer for Tier 2 countries, ignoring the fact that they refuse to play them, and it is in fact 6N countries that already play Tier 2 countries regularly. But underneath all their bullshit and bluster their eyes are firmly on the money the 6N makes, and their tiny minds on how they can get their grubby paws on it.

In their defence both Aus and NZ are struggling financially and playing Tier 2 countries won’t bring much in in regards to gate receipts etc, hence why they’re looking to play in the States etc more often. The cynical side of me thinks they want the game grown in Tier 2 nations (Fiji, Tonga) so they can just poach their best players.

At least NZ have the AB brand to be able to attract big name sponsors and keep them afloat but Aus are just a basket case from the top down. Seems to be less and less interest in rugby over there.

anonymous_joe wrote:

redderneck wrote:As soon as you go pro and the game is ALL about the numbers, then the weight of those numbers bears down heavily.

RSA, FR, EN all have decent numbers playing the game, decent numbers following the game, and moreso for EN/FR, sizeable decent economies/markets which can be tapped for funding.

The rest of us better fecking pray we are geographically close to EN, FR or RSA.

Pro rugby lads. We've been halfarsing it for years. It's not viable without massive changes of the sort whihc will render the game unrecognisable from where we started out.

Covid-19 provides the chance to bin it. Go back to primacy of amateur game; the club game and participation, not spectating.

Alternative is running national teams as pro outfits in a global league system; squads isolated from level beneath unless they need to give a player gametime to rehab.

Perhaps the level beneath featuring 'Super Clubs' of some sort. Which in Irish terms means Leinster, let's face it. Rest of the provinces will be faffing about at a lower level.

That's INEVITABLE or it will all go tits up.

I'd sooner see us reverse the fecking ship and get back to grassroots and when rugby was about fun, friendship, exercise etc. A distraction from work. Bah feckin' humbug.

Ireland's model isn't too bad. We can sustain four provinces. Leinster, Munster and Ulster all get comfortably north of 10k to an average game in the Pro 14. The sport isn't going to die here any time soon.

At the end of the day it is primarily the money that the 6N brings in that funds pro rugby in Ireland (and Scotland, Italy and Wales), and without it we would either revert to amateurism, or else some kind of shamateur talent production line for English and French teams to take their pick.

camroc1 wrote:

anonymous_joe wrote:

redderneck wrote:As soon as you go pro and the game is ALL about the numbers, then the weight of those numbers bears down heavily.

RSA, FR, EN all have decent numbers playing the game, decent numbers following the game, and moreso for EN/FR, sizeable decent economies/markets which can be tapped for funding.

The rest of us better fecking pray we are geographically close to EN, FR or RSA.

Pro rugby lads. We've been halfarsing it for years. It's not viable without massive changes of the sort whihc will render the game unrecognisable from where we started out.

Covid-19 provides the chance to bin it. Go back to primacy of amateur game; the club game and participation, not spectating.

Alternative is running national teams as pro outfits in a global league system; squads isolated from level beneath unless they need to give a player gametime to rehab.

Perhaps the level beneath featuring 'Super Clubs' of some sort. Which in Irish terms means Leinster, let's face it. Rest of the provinces will be faffing about at a lower level.

That's INEVITABLE or it will all go tits up.

I'd sooner see us reverse the fecking ship and get back to grassroots and when rugby was about fun, friendship, exercise etc. A distraction from work. Bah feckin' humbug.

Ireland's model isn't too bad. We can sustain four provinces. Leinster, Munster and Ulster all get comfortably north of 10k to an average game in the Pro 14. The sport isn't going to die here any time soon.

At the end of the day it is primarily the money that the 6N brings in that funds pro rugby in Ireland (and Scotland, Italy and Wales), and without it we would either revert to amateurism, or else some kind of shamateur talent production line for English and French teams to take their pick.

Yup - although as I mentioned Cam, Leinster could more than survive in some form of a Euro (or beyond)Super League...

Tbh, if the English copped on and realised that they're basically bottom half Championship/League One sides, things would make a lot more sense for all.

Jim Lahey wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:

Floppykid wrote:

hermie wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:Before defence coaches ruined the world

Same with any sport really when the analysis becomes so scientific. It's all about minimising the need for talent. Because real talent is scarce and mercurial. Formula 1 is a classic example. A formerly thrilling sport that is now as dull as watching paint dry and has been for decades.

TRK, Squidge and a few other of rugby's thought leaders were getting very precious about that point a few weeks ago.

All the classic games are showing lads how much better it was when it was a bit mad.

Rugby is so sterile now.

You just need to listen to the vocabulary of rugby coaches and commentators nowadays to understand how sterile it has all become.

The (over) use of words like “structures” and “systems” f**ks me right off. The game boils down to 30 lads knocking seven shades of shite out of each other, with the 15 lads that are better at channeling their aggression, basic skills and flair coming out on top.

Junior rugby still has the right mindset. Kunts throwing offloads that are 30/70 at best and lads trying things for the craic.

I often watch international/Ulster games with my Dad and brother, both of whom never played the sport despite watching a lot of it. They discuss TMO referrals like lawyers and get annoyed when I tell them that incidents like Aki getting red carded against Samoa are unfortunate as he is going full tilt and can’t adjust in time, but they seem to think that everything is premeditated and he should be hounded for it. Yes its dangerous and under the current laws it was a red, but people that haven’t played the sport have no context. World Rugby has sold our sport’s soul to those types.

Ah here, Aki went for the borderline high dominant hit, that's on him if he had gone to tackle him below shoulder level he could have mullered him and it wouldnt have been red.

It was sloppy and red was incredibly harsh, but as part of a clamp down on high tackles its understandable.

Centre is one of the worst hit positions from the continued league-ification of rugby imo.

earl the beaver wrote: Ah here, Aki went for the borderline high dominant hit, that's on him if he had gone to tackle him below shoulder level he could have mullered him and it wouldnt have been red.

Another abortion of an expression that has crept in over the last year

Leinsterman wrote:

earl the beaver wrote: Ah here, Aki went for the borderline high dominant hit, that's on him if he had gone to tackle him below shoulder level he could have mullered him and it wouldnt have been red.

Another abortion of an expression that has crept in over the last year

Annoying expression alright but I guess we needed some distinction between between a soak tackle and one that stopped an attacker dead in his tracks or sent them backwards. Johnny Gray typically racks up huge numbers for tackles made/completed but a closer analysis usually shows that very few of them are hugely impactful

Leinster v Ulster final from 2013 on TV3 tonight

Liathroidigloine wrote:Leinster v Ulster final from 2013 on TV3 tonight

Got it on record.

Floppykid wrote:Centre is one of the worst hit positions from the continued league-ification of rugby imo.

I'd love to see a comparison of the number of passes per game now versus the end of the amateur era.

Suspect that's the real issue there.

Conspicuous wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:

earl the beaver wrote: Ah here, Aki went for the borderline high dominant hit, that's on him if he had gone to tackle him below shoulder level he could have mullered him and it wouldnt have been red.

Another abortion of an expression that has crept in over the last year

Annoying expression alright but I guess we needed some distinction between between a soak tackle and one that stopped an attacker dead in his tracks or sent them backwards. Johnny Gray typically racks up huge numbers for tackles made/completed but a closer analysis usually shows that very few of them are hugely impactful

As a phrase it's not new, but it's gained a lot more emphasis recently with the increasing focus on physicality and TV stations have included it with their matchday stats.

Liathroidigloine wrote:Leinster v Ulster final from 2013 on TV3 tonight

cant see it myself.

Conspicuous wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:

earl the beaver wrote: Ah here, Aki went for the borderline high dominant hit, that's on him if he had gone to tackle him below shoulder level he could have mullered him and it wouldnt have been red.

Another abortion of an expression that has crept in over the last year

Annoying expression alright but I guess we needed some distinction between between a soak tackle and one that stopped an attacker dead in his tracks or sent them backwards. Johnny Gray typically racks up huge numbers for tackles made/completed but a closer analysis usually shows that very few of them are hugely impactful

Do we really need the distinction at all though? Beaking tackles down into different buckets is what the Yanks do with NFL. Fine for that but just another example of how rugby is becoming stats dominated.

Liathroidigloine wrote:Leinster v Ulster final from 2013 on TV3 tonight

I dont see it. On virgin 1?

HighKingLeinster wrote:

Liathroidigloine wrote:Leinster v Ulster final from 2013 on TV3 tonight

I dont see it. On virgin 1?

yeah cant see it there either.

Offensive tackles have always been a part of the game and generally an indicator of dominance. Yeah, they've put a name and stat on it but it's not exactly a new concept. Was Leinster's issue in the early 00s with most tackles being too passive.

Sorry lads it’s Eir. Don’t know how I screwed that up.

Liathroidigloine wrote:Sorry lads it’s Eir. Don’t know how I screwed that up.

I thought booing was a recent Ulster phenomenon. Clearly not.

Floppykid wrote:

DOB wrote:Even the off-the-cuff stuff has been scripted for a while now. There was a line from the early 00’s when the AB backline with Howlett, Umaga, Spencer, Rokocoko were running riot about how it took A LOT of time on the training paddock to play as loose and free as they did. And that was before the real influx of League coaching brought in the pressure defenses.

Rugby is still great to watch, but I miss the days of having centres under 6 ft who weren't glorified 7s as a rule.

7s have been smaller than centres for a long time now. Not all of them, but it's been a not-uncommon thing since George Smith was in the same Wallaby team as Daniel Herbert at least. See also, Neil Back with Greenwood and Tindall.

Leinsterman wrote:

Conspicuous wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:

earl the beaver wrote: Ah here, Aki went for the borderline high dominant hit, that's on him if he had gone to tackle him below shoulder level he could have mullered him and it wouldnt have been red.

Another abortion of an expression that has crept in over the last year

Annoying expression alright but I guess we needed some distinction between between a soak tackle and one that stopped an attacker dead in his tracks or sent them backwards. Johnny Gray typically racks up huge numbers for tackles made/completed but a closer analysis usually shows that very few of them are hugely impactful

Do we really need the distinction at all though? Beaking tackles down into different buckets is what the Yanks do with NFL. Fine for that but just another example of how rugby is becoming stats dominated.

Ah we don’t need them but if we’re going to immerse ourselves in stats we might as well give them some context

Kevin McLoughlin was a really good player.

Liathroidigloine wrote:Kevin McLoughlin was a really good player.

Yep.

The sort the fans love and the oppo hate.

2013. Is that the famous try from a certain international standard back row that never happened?

The Ulster fans forum is saying Ulster are seriously struggling financially and were relying on gate receipts to get through this season. Anyone heard anything on this?

Ulsters Red Hand wrote:The Ulster fans forum is saying Ulster are seriously struggling financially and were relying on gate receipts to get through this season. Anyone heard anything on this?

Not yet, but you would have to think that most clubs/teams with multi £m wage bills, TV money and gate receipts removed are finding it very tight.

Bogbunny wrote:

Ulsters Red Hand wrote:The Ulster fans forum is saying Ulster are seriously struggling financially and were relying on gate receipts to get through this season. Anyone heard anything on this?

Not yet, but you would have to think that most clubs/teams with multi £m wage bills, TV money and gate receipts removed are finding it very tight.

IRFU will backstop the provinces. If clubs have been flúirseach with the readies, I suspect they will be left to deal with it themselves.

camroc1 wrote:

Liathroidigloine wrote:Kevin McLoughlin was a really good player.

Yep.

The sort the fans love and the oppo hate.

If only he had an angrier face, he might've captained the Lions in a first test.

camroc1 wrote:

Bogbunny wrote:

Ulsters Red Hand wrote:The Ulster fans forum is saying Ulster are seriously struggling financially and were relying on gate receipts to get through this season. Anyone heard anything on this?

Not yet, but you would have to think that most clubs/teams with multi £m wage bills, TV money and gate receipts removed are finding it very tight.

IRFU will backstop the provinces. If clubs have been flúirseach with the readies, I suspect they will be left to deal with it themselves.

You bogdweller, I had to Google that.

Reasonable premise though.