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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:25 am 
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I love the Lions.
It's something totally different, but the stakes are as high as anything really.
Dgaf if it tires players out for a season, it's their job and I'm sure they're delighted with the honour.



I've progressively fallen out of love with the Lions and I reckon it's almost entirely because of Gatland.


Nah f**k that.
Gatland was a winner. He was what the Lions needed/need.
Sticking two fingers up at the Kiwis in 2017 reignited my love for the Lions.

Absolutely though it's a bit strange appointing him for the upcoming tour when he'll have coached the Chiefs for two seasons...


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Hogg might do it, he'll only be 32 next time we tour Aus.

Could Hogg make 4 tours and never actually play a Test?

Unless someone springs up rapidly in 20/21 at 15 he's a shoe in for the test side, and was extremely unlucky not to get there last tour.


While I agree mostly with you, I'd hardly go so far as to say he's a shoe-in. Williams would be ahead of him, but luckily for Hogg, Williams is also an excellent winger. So as long as someone doesn't spring up rapidly at either 15 or 14, then sure, he's got a great chance.


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Agree Conspi - Lions tours are great - pinnacle of the game for me.

There's no trophy - just 12 years of bragging rights.

There's no return fixture later in the season, there's no revenge game in the play-offs or knockout stages.
There's no "we'll get you back next season".

It's the last remaining 'win and bask in the glory forever' or 'lose and regret it for the rest of your life' moment.




Very, very, few players get to play a series twice - off the top of my head I can only think of Os Du Randt (97 & 09).
Obviously the Lions can play 2 or 3 series - but the attrition in the game means a re-match is all but impossible.



Du Randt retired after the RWC in 07. How could you not remember what Beast did to Vickery in the first test in 09?


I reckon he's thinking of du Randt's two world cup wins 12 years apart - '95 and '07.


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Hogg might do it, he'll only be 32 next time we tour Aus.

Could Hogg make 4 tours and never actually play a Test?

Unless someone springs up rapidly in 20/21 at 15 he's a shoe in for the test side, and was extremely unlucky not to get there last tour.


While I agree mostly with you, I'd hardly go so far as to say he's a shoe-in. Williams would be ahead of him, but luckily for Hogg, Williams is also an excellent winger. So as long as someone doesn't spring up rapidly at either 15 or 14, then sure, he's got a great chance.

Both are great players and if Williams playing on the wing means both get on the pitch then so be it. Hard to judge on current season form since Williams barely played but you would imagine a back three of May-Williams-Hogg would be what Gatland is looking at.


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Ulsters Red Hand wrote:
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Hogg might do it, he'll only be 32 next time we tour Aus.

Could Hogg make 4 tours and never actually play a Test?

Unless someone springs up rapidly in 20/21 at 15 he's a shoe in for the test side, and was extremely unlucky not to get there last tour.


While I agree mostly with you, I'd hardly go so far as to say he's a shoe-in. Williams would be ahead of him, but luckily for Hogg, Williams is also an excellent winger. So as long as someone doesn't spring up rapidly at either 15 or 14, then sure, he's got a great chance.

Both are great players and if Williams playing on the wing means both get on the pitch then so be it. Hard to judge on current season form since Williams barely played but you would imagine a back three of May-Williams-Hogg would be what Gatland is looking at.


That would certainly be my back three as things stand. Larmour on the bench then and we have ourselves a proper Lions backfield.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:12 am 
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Hellraiser wrote:
How could you not remember what Beast did to Vickery in the first test in 09?

uugghh!

That pack selection...
A ball-boy at Hooker, a deck chair at TH (when we had two great scrummaging THs in the squad) and no TH Lock in the second row.

I know that AWJ was actually playing better than POC in the warmup games but POC was Captain and always going to play.
Hines or Shaw had to start alongside him.



edit: Sorry, I got Du Randt confused - he was a double World Cup winner, not a double Lion.
I'm going to hand in my statto card and retire to a lonely life of train-spotting :blush: :blush:


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the42.ie is cutting back coverage due to loss of ad revenue. Not sure exactly what it entails but Murray K works for them obviously, wonder if he'll be gone from there.


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the42.ie is cutting back coverage due to loss of ad revenue. Not sure exactly what it entails but Murray K works for them obviously, wonder if he'll be gone from there.

Hope not, he's the best rugby journalist in the country by a mile.


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The thing with Murray is his best format is online articles so the good thing is I can't see big print media coming for him from England to cover rugby beyond Ireland so hopefully he's good to stay. However, if the Athletic chooses to go for rugby I can see him being a target in that expansion.


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earl the beaver wrote:
The thing with Murray is his best format is online articles so the good thing is I can't see big print media coming for him from England to cover rugby beyond Ireland so hopefully he's good to stay. However, if the Athletic chooses to go for rugby I can see him being a target in that expansion.

I was just thinking that, he is built for the Athletic

On that note, I wonder how Squidge is making his money? Must be tight going for him currently, he's basically out of work (assuming he does that full time).


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Ulsters Red Hand wrote:
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The thing with Murray is his best format is online articles so the good thing is I can't see big print media coming for him from England to cover rugby beyond Ireland so hopefully he's good to stay. However, if the Athletic chooses to go for rugby I can see him being a target in that expansion.

I was just thinking that, he is built for the Athletic

On that note, I wonder how Squidge is making his money? Must be tight going for him currently, he's basically out of work (assuming he does that full time).

He could review old matches?

Some of the classic Bledisloe Cup games, back when it fixture was actually competitive, were f*cking fantastic.


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Ulsters Red Hand wrote:
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The thing with Murray is his best format is online articles so the good thing is I can't see big print media coming for him from England to cover rugby beyond Ireland so hopefully he's good to stay. However, if the Athletic chooses to go for rugby I can see him being a target in that expansion.

I was just thinking that, he is built for the Athletic

On that note, I wonder how Squidge is making his money? Must be tight going for him currently, he's basically out of work (assuming he does that full time).

I thought he had a regular job. Or did he say in the course of one of his vids that he had actually left that to do the channel?


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earl the beaver wrote:
The thing with Murray is his best format is online articles so the good thing is I can't see big print media coming for him from England to cover rugby beyond Ireland so hopefully he's good to stay. However, if the Athletic chooses to go for rugby I can see him being a target in that expansion.

I was just thinking that, he is built for the Athletic

On that note, I wonder how Squidge is making his money? Must be tight going for him currently, he's basically out of work (assuming he does that full time).

I thought he had a regular job. Or did he say in the course of one of his vids that he had actually left that to do the channel?

I had a feeling he did mention in a video that he basically quit his job but I couldn't be sure - was hoping someone would correct/confirm.


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Yer Man wrote:
Ulsters Red Hand wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
The thing with Murray is his best format is online articles so the good thing is I can't see big print media coming for him from England to cover rugby beyond Ireland so hopefully he's good to stay. However, if the Athletic chooses to go for rugby I can see him being a target in that expansion.

I was just thinking that, he is built for the Athletic

On that note, I wonder how Squidge is making his money? Must be tight going for him currently, he's basically out of work (assuming he does that full time).

He could review old matches?

Some of the classic Bledisloe Cup games, back when it fixture was actually competitive, were f*cking fantastic.

It's pretty hard to get hold of old matches though, unless he teamed up with RugbyPass or something.


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Right now Ringrose, Ryan and Furlong are the only Irish players I can see with a chance of making a Lions 15 really.

Cooney would be a brilliant dirt tracker.


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Right now Ringrose, Ryan and Furlong are the only Irish players I can see with a chance of making a Lions 15 really.

Cooney would be a brilliant dirt tracker.

Greenwood's Lions XV had Parkes at 12 x(

Mako, George, Furlong, Ryan, Itoje, Ritchie, Tipuric, Billy V
Davies, Farrell, May, Tuilagi, Ringrose, Williams, Hogg

would be my Lions XV as things stand. Slim pickings of stand out scrummies and back rows.


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I don't think Ringrose will tbf. Tuilagi is a better 13 than a 12 and Jiffy Jnr will be back, who plays 12 though I'm not sure, I can see an argument for Ford/Farrel at 10/12, even Sam Johnson, if you don't shoe horn Tuilagi in there.

My Lions backline:

9. Fúck knows
10. Ford
11. Adams
12. Farrell (c)
13. Tuilagi
14. Williams
15. Hogg


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Ulsters Red Hand wrote:
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Right now Ringrose, Ryan and Furlong are the only Irish players I can see with a chance of making a Lions 15 really.

Cooney would be a brilliant dirt tracker.

Greenwood's Lions XV had Parkes at 12 x(

Mako, George, Furlong, Ryan, Itoje, Ritchie, Tipuric, Billy V
Davies, Farrell, May, Tuilagi, Ringrose, Williams, Hogg

would be my Lions XV as things stand. Slim pickings of stand out scrummies and back rows.


Curry is a guaranteed starter for me if fit, he's phenomenal. I'd have Ford at 10 too.


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earl the beaver wrote:
I don't think Ringrose will tbf. Tuilagi is a better 13 than a 12 and Jiffy Jnr will be back, who plays 12 though I'm not sure, I can see an argument for Ford/Farrel at 10/12, even Sam Johnson, if you don't shoe horn Tuilagi in there.

My Lions backline:

9. Fúck knows
10. Ford
11. Adams
12. Farrell (c)
13. Tuilagi
14. Williams
15. Hogg


Nathan Doak at 9.
Here. First.


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Jim Lahey wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
I don't think Ringrose will tbf. Tuilagi is a better 13 than a 12 and Jiffy Jnr will be back, who plays 12 though I'm not sure, I can see an argument for Ford/Farrel at 10/12, even Sam Johnson, if you don't shoe horn Tuilagi in there.

My Lions backline:

9. Fúck knows
10. Ford
11. Adams
12. Farrell (c)
13. Tuilagi
14. Williams
15. Hogg


Nathan Doak at 9.
Here. First.

Will he captain?

Curry is a fair shout but my thinking would be put him on the bench to cover 6-8. Think May is a better winger than Adams too.


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I'd have Daly ahead of Hogg.


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Daly's poor enough at FB, though.


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Shift Williams to 15, Daly on the wing.


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Shift Williams to 15, Daly on the wing.

Williams is better on the wing.


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The Scottish props are both progressing nicely and I expect them to be there or thereabouts by next summer. Zander was always good around the park and seems to be getting his scrummaging together now (he’s only 23). Our pack should be pretty decent, biggest concern is scrum half


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Uncle Fester wrote:
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Shift Williams to 15, Daly on the wing.

Williams is better on the wing.

Williams is a class full back and Daly is too classy a player to leave out.
Hogg would be good bench cover.


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The Scottish props are both progressing nicely and I expect them to be there or thereabouts by next summer. Zander was always good around the park and seems to be getting his scrummaging together now (he’s only 23). Our pack should be pretty decent, biggest concern is scrum half

We need a major spring clean of the team.
Old players aren't going to be any better by next season.


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Floppykid wrote:
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The Scottish props are both progressing nicely and I expect them to be there or thereabouts by next summer. Zander was always good around the park and seems to be getting his scrummaging together now (he’s only 23). Our pack should be pretty decent, biggest concern is scrum half

We need a major spring clean of the team.
Old players aren't going to be any better by next season.

Sexton, Murray, and Kearney, no problem.

Both Aki and Stander will be under pressure from younger players anyway - as will Earls.

Who else 'old' am I missing in this major spring clean ?


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Anger Man.


VDF isn't old by any means, but he will come under pressure next season given his uninspiring performances.


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Anger Man.


VDF isn't old by any means, but he will come under pressure next season given his uninspiring performances.

Conan and Leavy will be back, so the Leinster BR will be under pressure never mind Irish incumbents.

(And I know I am not the fish you are trawling for.)


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The Scottish props are both progressing nicely and I expect them to be there or thereabouts by next summer. Zander was always good around the park and seems to be getting his scrummaging together now (he’s only 23). Our pack should be pretty decent, biggest concern is scrum half

We need a major spring clean of the team.
Old players aren't going to be any better by next season.

Sexton, Murray, and Kearney, no problem.

Both Aki and Stander will be under pressure from younger players anyway - as will Earls.

Who else 'old' am I missing in this major spring clean ?


I was referring to the Lions in my comments above. Regarding Ireland I’d say you can add Toner to your list while I’ll be happy if we can get another year out of Cian Healy. Stander will still have a big part to
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GT saying ringer signed a 2 year central deal fwiw


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Newcastle promoted to the prem. Jones has signed a new England deal too


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Rugby's funniest moments is one Sky One - it's sh*t but hey ho.


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Watching the 2001 Bled games, the amount of high/in the air/borderline spear tackles that are just considered good hard play in those days is funny compared to today.


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The 3 2001 B&I Lions Test matches being shown on Sky Sports today. Watching the 2nd Test. That Lions starter team was so good. Having watched highlights of the ‘97 tour and these matches it makes you realise how good Keith Wood was. My god it’s terrifying how good he was. Compare his style of play to Best’s and Wood was a good step above. He was motm in the 1st 2001 test.
(I missed the BOD godly try in the first Test)

There were so many class players in the 2001 tour. Scott Quinnell, Martin Johnson, BOD, Wilkinson, Rob Howley, Hill etc.

Edit: Robinson


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BOD and Robinson near the peak of their attacking abilities.


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Scott Quinnell and Howley were superb too. Both world class but Quinnell like Wood is a joy to watch.


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Wish I had Sky to watch those Lions games in decent quality.


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I was supposed to be back in Dublin, preparing to cheer on @leinsterrugby
; not stuck at home in Belgium.

But don’t feel bad for me. Some rugby fans have it far worse.

Spare a thought for all those Munster fans, whose day is unfolding just as it would have anyway.

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