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iarmhiman wrote:
Nolanator wrote:I think I've watched League live once in my life. Found Super League on sky sports and watched half a game.

It's not great.
NRL is good and State of Origin is brilliant.
The intensity of State of Origin is amazing to watch, and that is about as positive as I can get about league - though I used to watch a hell of a lot of Super League 20 years ago.
The one out "big guy runs into 3 tacklers" bosh fest is dull as fudge (and for fans that constantly give out about kick and clap there's a huge amount of kicking), but when it does open up it can be brilliant.

Was in Brisbane for Game 3 of SOO in 2005 (Andrew Johns' last game), couldn't get tickets unfortunately but watched it on the South Bank. Was f**king great.
The effect of 13 men - no sweepers, so once you break the line it should be a try by either stepping, or passing the FB.
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sewa wrote:
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Mullet 2 wrote:All joking aside (and I hate the modern = better) its Healy
It's not even close.
You two guys are mid thirties if I am correct, you would barely have seen Popplewell play or at least you were very young kids at the time
Popplewell was very good, but Ray McLoughlin was better. He changed the way props play. And I know he was a Connachtman, but he played his rugby for UCD, and Blackrock. And he could legitimately play both sides.
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camroc1 wrote:
PornDog wrote:
boringperson12 wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Nolanator wrote:I think I've watched League live once in my life. Found Super League on sky sports and watched half a game.

It's not great.
NRL is good and State of Origin is brilliant.
The intensity of State of Origin is amazing to watch, and that is about as positive as I can get about league - though I used to watch a hell of a lot of Super League 20 years ago.
The one out "big guy runs into 3 tacklers" bosh fest is dull as fudge (and for fans that constantly give out about kick and clap there's a huge amount of kicking), but when it does open up it can be brilliant.

Was in Brisbane for Game 3 of SOO in 2005 (Andrew Johns' last game), couldn't get tickets unfortunately but watched it on the South Bank. Was f**king great.
The effect of 13 men - no sweepers, so once you break the line it should be a try by either stepping, or passing the FB.
Except league doesn't actually have 13 men in a line with no sweepers
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sewa wrote:
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Mullet 2 wrote:All joking aside (and I hate the modern = better) its Healy
It's not even close.
You two guys are mid thirties if I am correct, you would barely have seen Popplewell play or at least you were very young kids at the time
And?
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camroc1 wrote:I see G&T giving it 100 on 'poor Munster' in this mornings IT.
Post it if you can
I beg pardon, it was Cummisky.
Munster braced for worst of financial crisis due to Thomond Park debt
Province can’t pay off oustanding €6.9m loan from IRFU with no supporters at the match
about 5 hours ago Updated: about 4 hours ago

Gavin Cummiskey



Munster face the worst of the financial crisis caused by provinces being forced to cancel season tickets for 2020/21.

An outstanding IRFU loan of €6.9 million, to cover Thomond Park’s redevelopment in 2008, cannot be paid off without supporters attending games. How this impacts Johann van Graan’s playing squad has yet to be revealed.

Following Leinster’s announcement on Monday that “it was not feasible to accommodate over 12,800 season ticket holders” in the RDS next season, Munster confirmed renewals for their 7,400 season ticket holders have been “paused.” Ulster (8,500 tickets) and Connacht (4,000) are in similar positions.

People crammed into stands and terraces, as Leinster stated, will be denied by social distancing rules becoming “a part of sporting and other spectator events for some time to come.”

However, as IRFU chief executive Philip Browne noted last week, the current business model operated by Irish rugby will see cash reserves “exhausted within a matter of months.”

The IRFU financial report states €41 million was spent on “players and management” last season while national match costs amounted to €3.6 million.

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This brings into sharp focus Munster struggles to pay off the Thomond Park debt.

The province was given a new schedule of loan repayments - reduced from €500,000 annually to €100,000 - in 2018. As part of the deal Lansdowne Road accountants insisted on receiving 50 per cent of any additional multi-year ticket sales, 50 per cent of any multi-year corporate box sales and 50 per cent of net Thomond Park naming rights income on an annual basis.

Munster are in the process of engaging with five-year and 10-year ticket holders who have been at capacity since the new scheme was introduced in 2018. With no plans to access the stadium even when games initially return to Limerick, the price for premium 10-year tickets of €4,950 down to five-year tickets for Category A seats at €1,885 no longer appears to be a workable arrangement.

Professional sport - like many global industries - is growing increasingly desperate to start selling its product again to tens of thousands of willing customers. In the meantime the lack of cash flow is crippling Irish rugby.


Smooth transition into the new normal seemingly requires sports administrators to bookend every answer with “if government guidance permits such action.”

On May 2nd Cillian de Gascun, the virologist on the National Public Health Emergency Team, stated that gatherings of people in large numbers can only be recommended when a “seroprevalence” study is completed in June. This requires blood testing of a sample of society to calculate the percentage of the population that has been infected by coronavirus.

“If we do that study and find out 30 per cent of the population has actually been infected but just very mildly infected that actually gives you a bit of confidence,” Dr de Gascun explained, “as only 70 per cent are susceptible, so we can release things more quickly, and still focus on vulnerable groups.

“Mass gatherings are really difficult to see coming on stream any time soon,” he added.

Empty venues
There will be no supporters at the Aviva stadium when rugby returns for a string of fixtures starting with Leinster versus Munster on August 22nd before running into a unique Six Nations in November. World Rugby’s suggested capacity of essential workers for otherwise empty venues has increased to 174.

Come August a precedent will have been set for Irish rugby teams to travel abroad for matches without having to quarantine for 14 days. On July 1st Spain is set to open its borders to tourism with safe corridors to beaches and other social areas. Similar plans are being hatched for direct travel from chartered airplanes to stadiums.


But the notion of crowds in stadiums this summer has been branded “absurd and dangerous” by the president of the Australian Medical Association Tony Bartone, after Rugby League chiefs suggested as much ahead of their June 11th return to action.

“The NRL should be satisfied that it has its competition back in action, but it is unfair and unwise to put the health of the game’s fans at risk,” said Bartone.

The Aviva Stadium could be hosting rugby matches again in August. Photograph: Dan Sheridan/Inpho
The Aviva Stadium could be hosting rugby matches again in August. Photograph: Dan Sheridan/Inpho
“Now is not the time for sporting codes to be considering having crowds at games. They must wait until the medical experts advise that it is absolutely safe to do so - and that will not be as early as July.”

The NRL are still aiming to put 30,000 social distancing spectators into the 100,000 capacity Melbourne Cricket Ground for their grand final on October 24th - that’s also the date the ‘autumn Six Nations’ would kick off.

Speaking to Aviva stadium director Martin Murphy, social distancing measures to reduce capacity by half the usual 50,000 at internationals in Dublin will not be a sustainable financial model.

“It comes back to what we learn from testing [IN JUNE],” said De Gascun. “Every time we take a step we will be waiting to see what the impact of that will be. If we go to 500 people gatherings and the virus kicks off again then we step back.

“We will look to see what other people and countries are doing and we will try to learn from that.”

World Rugby’s executive committee - which currently has no Irish representative as no-one was nominated at the recent elections - are meeting this week to consider the implementation of law changes to make players and their families safe when full contact resumes.


“There will be no sweeping necessary amendments,” a WR spokesman stated rather cryptically, despite a leaked medical document suggesting no set scrums, mauls, upright tackles, huddles or spitting will help players avoid contracting the virus.

The amateur game is almost certainly going to need some of the “potential law amendments” earmarked in the document to provide a pathway for the All-Ireland League and schools rugby to return next season. If this is even possible.

The executive committee will also discuss the logistics around supporters eventually returning to stadiums.

“Our decision will be dependent on many different government guidelines.”


It does make me laugh when the holier than though brigade pipe up to slate the "unsustainable english system" yet munster pay 100k back a year on a 7m loan, are barely able to operate, yet sign two south African workd cup winners.

Munster, purveyors of both financial doping and actual doping.
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Niyi :(
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Diabhal wrote:Niyi :(
Any idea where he is off to?
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93 Lions showed Popplewell at his best and what he could do with a few more decent forwards about him. fudge, he was great.
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Diabhal wrote:Niyi :(
That got me too. Surely has more to offer. And only 4 back 3 players signed for next year. A squad of 34 at the moment.
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I need more information please
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boringperson12 wrote:93 Lions showed Popplewell at his best and what he could do with a few more decent forwards about him. fudge, he was great.
His showing in the 2nd Test - the outstanding forward on the pitch - is still the best performance I've ever seen from an Irish prop :nod:
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Mullet 2 wrote:I need more information please
https://www.connachtrugby.ie/connacht-r ... players-2/

Connacht Rugby can confirm the following players will depart the club next month at the end of their respective contracts.

Tom McCartney has announced his retirement from rugby and has returned to New Zealand after six years with Connacht. The hooker has amassed 112 appearances for the province and started in the 2016 Guinness PRO12 Grand Final.

Fellow centurion and Connacht native Eoin McKeon departs Connacht having played 137 times since his debut in April 2010, and was also a member of the 2016 PRO12 winning team.

Back-three duo Niyi Adeolokun and Darragh Leader depart having also featured in the 2015/16 campaign, with the pair amassing 94 and 91 caps respectively.

Trio Kyle Godwin, David Horwitz and Joe Maksymiw have completed their two-year contracts after joining in the summer of 2018.

As previously announced, Colby Fainga’a and Robin Copeland will join French sides Lyon and Soyaux Angouleme respectively.

Finally front-rowers Rory Burke and Peter McCabe have completed their contracts, while Angus Lloyd departs to pursue a medical career – having passed his medical exams while under contract at Connacht.

Commenting on today’s announcement, Connacht Head Coach Andy Friend says:

“The nature of professional rugby means there will always be comings and goings. I would personally like to wish all our departing players every success in the future and thank them for their contributions to Connacht Rugby, both on and off the field.

We all share in the players’ disappointment that they were unable to get a proper send-off at the Sportsground due to COVID, but they can be always assured of a warm welcome by the club and our supporters at any time in the future.”
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If he's not moving that's very strange
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Mullet 2 wrote:If he's not moving that's very strange
Injury?

He hasn't played as much in the last couple of years?
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Yer Man wrote:Never forget...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHMQC4CmKc8
No such thing as a bad trip to Edinburgh really, but I've enjoyed others more. :lol:

It's quite disappointing to see that Connacht team ending with a whimper rather than a bang.
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Yer Man wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:If he's not moving that's very strange
Injury?

He hasn't played as much in the last couple of years?
Rumour has it he's too busy building extensions
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Ulsters Red Hand wrote:
Yer Man wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:If he's not moving that's very strange
Injury?

He hasn't played as much in the last couple of years?
Rumour has it he's too busy building extensions
More money in patios and sun rooms at the minute.
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Not sure where to begin with this so I’ll just leave it here.

https://independent.ie/sport/rugby/i-de ... 42049.html
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Kid A wrote:It does make me laugh when the holier than though brigade pipe up to slate the "unsustainable english system" yet munster pay 100k back a year on a 7m loan, are barely able to operate, yet sign two south African workd cup winners.

Munster, purveyors of both financial doping and actual doping.
What makes me laugh, is that even when the English clubs and fans have thrown in the towel and admitted it's unsustainable in it's current form, you're still out there dying on that hill.
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Is Adam Byrne at Leinster next year?
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Porterbelly1 wrote:Is Adam Byrne at Leinster next year?
I'll handle this lads.


Maybe.....
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Ah yeah, give ye another player to help ye beat us.
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Lads, I've just had a few pints, like real poured by a barman while I stood there waiting pints of Guinness, had to take them away, but jaysus they were beautiful, the abuse from the barman brought a tear to my eye.
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Mr. Very Popular wrote:Lads, I've just had a few pints, like real poured by a barman while I stood there waiting pints of Guinness, had to take them away, but jaysus they were beautiful, the abuse from the barman brought a tear to my eye.
Pints on wheels or takeaway from pub?
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Takeaway from pub, wasn't even inside the door and the barman was giving me shït, a beautiful day for the parish.

If they had the pints on wheels thing down here I'd clamp the fücker.
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Mr. Very Popular wrote:Takeaway from pub, wasn't even inside the door and the barman was giving me shït, a beautiful day for the parish.

If they had the pints on wheels thing down here I'd clamp the fücker.
:lol: :thumbup:
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I heard recently that Cian Kelleher's time here was floated as a warning to Leinster academy players that the grass isn't always greener out west and to stay put. Can't blame them tbh as Ruane and Co shat the togs replacing Lam and set us back a couple of years from a nice perch. Until Connacht consistently qualify for Champions Cup rugby we'll have a rough time recruiting lads.
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rialtoblue wrote:Phil orr, for his moustache alone, deserves to be considered
If you're going ng amateur era, it would have to be ray mcloughlin.
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Diabhal wrote:I heard recently that Cian Kelleher's time here was floated as a warning to Leinster academy players that the grass isn't always greener out west and to stay put. Can't blame them tbh as Ruane and Co shat the togs replacing Lam and set us back a couple of years from a nice perch. Until Connacht consistently qualify for Champions Cup rugby we'll have a rough time recruiting lads.
Kelleher was huming nicely early doors this season.
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Diabhal wrote:I heard recently that Cian Kelleher's time here was floated as a warning to Leinster academy players that the grass isn't always greener out west and to stay put. Can't blame them tbh as Ruane and Co shat the togs replacing Lam and set us back a couple of years from a nice perch. Until Connacht consistently qualify for Champions Cup rugby we'll have a rough time recruiting lads.
Kelleher was huming nicely early doors this season.
He'll turn into a tidy player for ye in the next few years. Perfect lad to start Pro14 games/injury cover for CC but his defense needs a bit of work yet.
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He's exciting with the pill alright
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Diabhal wrote:I heard recently that Cian Kelleher's time here was floated as a warning to Leinster academy players that the grass isn't always greener out west and to stay put. Can't blame them tbh as Ruane and Co shat the togs replacing Lam and set us back a couple of years from a nice perch. Until Connacht consistently qualify for Champions Cup rugby we'll have a rough time recruiting lads.
Academy needs to be producing more too, looks like another prospect Diarmuid Kilcommins has committed to hurling.

A lot will depend on what or if any overseas recruits we can bring in between now and the resumption of the season or next season, to get us to that next level. The Wiese deal not getting the go ahead would leave me worry they won't be signed off.

Fainga'a especially, Godwin and McCartney have all been quality players for us, if we're not getting the same or better calibre in then realistically we're only going backwards.
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Porterbelly1 wrote:
Diabhal wrote:I heard recently that Cian Kelleher's time here was floated as a warning to Leinster academy players that the grass isn't always greener out west and to stay put. Can't blame them tbh as Ruane and Co shat the togs replacing Lam and set us back a couple of years from a nice perch. Until Connacht consistently qualify for Champions Cup rugby we'll have a rough time recruiting lads.
Academy needs to be producing more too, looks like another prospect Diarmuid Kilcommins has committed to hurling.

A lot will depend on what or if any overseas recruits we can bring in between now and the resumption of the season or next season, to get us to that next level. The Wiese deal not getting the go ahead would leave me worry they won't be signed off.

Fainga'a especially, Godwin and McCartney have all been quality players for us, if we're not getting the same or better calibre in then realistically we're only going backwards.
Lost out on Kilcommins but managed to keep Jennings and McCormack away From GAA.

Academy has been pretty poor of late tho. Good group of players going into u20 level though.
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irishrugbyua wrote:
Porterbelly1 wrote:
Diabhal wrote:I heard recently that Cian Kelleher's time here was floated as a warning to Leinster academy players that the grass isn't always greener out west and to stay put. Can't blame them tbh as Ruane and Co shat the togs replacing Lam and set us back a couple of years from a nice perch. Until Connacht consistently qualify for Champions Cup rugby we'll have a rough time recruiting lads.
Academy needs to be producing more too, looks like another prospect Diarmuid Kilcommins has committed to hurling.

A lot will depend on what or if any overseas recruits we can bring in between now and the resumption of the season or next season, to get us to that next level. The Wiese deal not getting the go ahead would leave me worry they won't be signed off.

Fainga'a especially, Godwin and McCartney have all been quality players for us, if we're not getting the same or better calibre in then realistically we're only going backwards.
Lost out on Kilcommins but managed to keep Jennings and McCormack away From GAA.

Academy has been pretty poor of late tho. Good group of players going into u20 level though.
Hopefully see a bit of Dylan Tierney Martin next year, Niall Murray will kick on and possibly see Oran McNulty in the back 3 with Colm De Buitlear.
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Porterbelly1 wrote:
Diabhal wrote:I heard recently that Cian Kelleher's time here was floated as a warning to Leinster academy players that the grass isn't always greener out west and to stay put. Can't blame them tbh as Ruane and Co shat the togs replacing Lam and set us back a couple of years from a nice perch. Until Connacht consistently qualify for Champions Cup rugby we'll have a rough time recruiting lads.
Academy needs to be producing more too, looks like another prospect Diarmuid Kilcommins has committed to hurling.
Yeah, Galway got him on the senior hurling squad fairly sharpish early this year. I had heard he hasn't made his mind up fully yet but we'll see I guess. Even at his young age he would need to concentrate on one sport from now on.
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Porterbelly1 wrote:
Diabhal wrote:I heard recently that Cian Kelleher's time here was floated as a warning to Leinster academy players that the grass isn't always greener out west and to stay put. Can't blame them tbh as Ruane and Co shat the togs replacing Lam and set us back a couple of years from a nice perch. Until Connacht consistently qualify for Champions Cup rugby we'll have a rough time recruiting lads.
Academy needs to be producing more too, looks like another prospect Diarmuid Kilcommins has committed to hurling.

A lot will depend on what or if any overseas recruits we can bring in between now and the resumption of the season or next season, to get us to that next level. The Wiese deal not getting the go ahead would leave me worry they won't be signed off.

Fainga'a especially, Godwin and McCartney have all been quality players for us, if we're not getting the same or better calibre in then realistically we're only going backwards.
Going to be a very difficult year ahead for Connacht I fear. They needed strengthening even before the pandemic but instead have lost 11 players and not just cast offs either. Two or three very good players in that bunch along with some solid experienced squad players. 4 players in but can't see much being spent so will probably have to make up the rest with academy lads and a couple more cast offs from elsewhere. Hard to see much ahead apart from a downward trajectory.

I sense the IRFU focus was on beefing up Ulster and Munster the past couple seasons and I think that will begin to show.
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IBWT wrote:
Porterbelly1 wrote:
Diabhal wrote:I heard recently that Cian Kelleher's time here was floated as a warning to Leinster academy players that the grass isn't always greener out west and to stay put. Can't blame them tbh as Ruane and Co shat the togs replacing Lam and set us back a couple of years from a nice perch. Until Connacht consistently qualify for Champions Cup rugby we'll have a rough time recruiting lads.
Academy needs to be producing more too, looks like another prospect Diarmuid Kilcommins has committed to hurling.

A lot will depend on what or if any overseas recruits we can bring in between now and the resumption of the season or next season, to get us to that next level. The Wiese deal not getting the go ahead would leave me worry they won't be signed off.

Fainga'a especially, Godwin and McCartney have all been quality players for us, if we're not getting the same or better calibre in then realistically we're only going backwards.
Going to be a very difficult year ahead for Connacht I fear. They needed strengthening even before the pandemic but instead have lost 11 players and not just cast offs either. Two or three very good players in that bunch along with some solid experienced squad players. 4 players in but can't see much being spent so will probably have to make up the rest with academy lads and a couple more cast offs from elsewhere. Hard to see much ahead apart from a downward trajectory.

I sense the IRFU focus was on beefing up Ulster and Munster the past couple seasons and I think that will begin to show.
How have the IRFU beefed up Ulster, apart from McGrath moving (appeared to be player led), the rest of our signing have been paid with by Ulster rugby.
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They have made players emigrate to an actual different country full of Shinners and weirdos. It's actually abuse
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EverReady wrote:They have made players emigrate to an actual different country full of Shinners and weirdos. It's actually abuse
Yeah but the proper Tayto makes up for it
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