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What's Munsters first choice team for the coming season looking like?

Haley/Gallagher
Conway
Farrell
De Allende
Daly/Earls
Carbery (if he's ever fit)
Murray (although should be Casey)
Killer
Scannell?
Ryan (or will one of the younger lads take over?)
Beirne
RG
POM
JOD (although should be Hodnett with JOD a cover-all on the bench)
Stander

something like that?
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hermie wrote:What's Munsters first choice team for the coming season looking like?

Haley/Gallagher
Conway
Farrell
De Allende

Daly/Earls
Carbery (if he's ever fit)
Murray (although should be Casey)
Killer
Scannell?
Ryan (or will one of the younger lads take over?)
Beirne
RG

POM
JOD (although should be Hodnett with JOD a cover-all on the bench)
Stander

something like that?
More like this.
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hermie wrote:What's Munsters first choice team for the coming season looking like?

Haley/Gallagher
Conway
Farrell
De Allende
Daly/Earls
Carbery (if he's ever fit)
Murray (although should be Casey)
Killer
Scannell?
Ryan (or will one of the younger lads take over?)
Beirne
RG
POM
JOD (although should be Hodnett with JOD a cover-all on the bench)
Stander

something like that?
I don’t think hodnett has done remotely enough to be in that conversation. Granted he looked good at u20s but he’s only had one game. He looked v sharp On debut v the kings but my god that was a glorified training session. Would like to see more of him but I think he’s a bit down the pecking order. I think jod is Well suited to 7, fast good ability but he needs to be played there repeatedly. He’s chopped at changed a lot over the years. He’s just not big enough for 8.
Think kob will overtake scannell

If Ryan stays healthy he’s our starting th. I think knox is very much the coming player

Johaan is a saffer so bigger is better. Suspect beirne at 6 with kleyn at 4 for the big games. Pom at 7......hmmm.



Backs are about right I’d say. Carbery won’t ever be permanently fit so him or JJ
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Lazy Couch potato wrote:
hermie wrote:What's Munsters first choice team for the coming season looking like?

Haley/Gallagher
Conway
Farrell
De Allende
Daly/Earls
Carbery (if he's ever fit)
Murray (although should be Casey)
Killer
Scannell?
Ryan (or will one of the younger lads take over?)
Beirne
RG
POM
JOD (although should be Hodnett with JOD a cover-all on the bench)
Stander

something like that?
I don’t think hodnett has done remotely enough to be in that conversation. Granted he looked good at u20s but he’s only had one game. He looked v sharp On debut v the kings but my god that was a glorified training session. Would like to see more of him but I think he’s a bit down the pecking order. I think jod is Well suited to 7, fast good ability but he needs to be played there repeatedly. He’s chopped at changed a lot over the years. He’s just not big enough for 8.
Think kob will overtake scannell

If Ryan stays healthy he’s our starting th. I think knox is very much the coming player

Johaan is a saffer so bigger is better. Suspect beirne at 6 with kleyn at 4 for the big games. Pom at 7......hmmm.



Backs are about right I’d say. Carbery won’t ever be permanently fit so him or JJ
Hodnett was the best forward in an absolutely brilliant U20 pack to my eyes. In the little he's played for Munster he's looked great as well. It's quite frankly damning of the organisation that he hasn't played more senior rugby, particularly when you guys are crying out for a ball-carrying 7.
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hermie wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:
hermie wrote:What's Munsters first choice team for the coming season looking like?

Haley/Gallagher
Conway
Farrell
De Allende
Daly/Earls
Carbery (if he's ever fit)
Murray (although should be Casey)
Killer
Scannell?
Ryan (or will one of the younger lads take over?)
Beirne
RG
POM
JOD (although should be Hodnett with JOD a cover-all on the bench)
Stander

something like that?
I don’t think hodnett has done remotely enough to be in that conversation. Granted he looked good at u20s but he’s only had one game. He looked v sharp On debut v the kings but my god that was a glorified training session. Would like to see more of him but I think he’s a bit down the pecking order. I think jod is Well suited to 7, fast good ability but he needs to be played there repeatedly. He’s chopped at changed a lot over the years. He’s just not big enough for 8.
Think kob will overtake scannell

If Ryan stays healthy he’s our starting th. I think knox is very much the coming player

Johaan is a saffer so bigger is better. Suspect beirne at 6 with kleyn at 4 for the big games. Pom at 7......hmmm.



Backs are about right I’d say. Carbery won’t ever be permanently fit so him or JJ
Hodnett was the best forward in an absolutely brilliant U20 pack to my eyes. In the little he's played for Munster he's looked great as well. It's quite frankly damning of the organisation that he hasn't played more senior rugby, particularly when you guys are crying out for a ball-carrying 7.
It's completely nuts. Really can't understand it. There must be something else going on, he has looked excellent at every level he has played at so far...and Munster are crying out for a decent 7. Just makes no sense at all.
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No I’m saying I’ll get on the hype train when I see him play against decent opposition

I’ve said multiple times I don’t rate Cloete and while I always like Tod his days are numbered. He’s probably at the elder statesmen stage now.
I think jod could be a good seven but shipping him from 8 to 6 to 7 to 6 repeatedly doesn’t help his career progression

I like hodnett but all I’m saying is if he’s good enough the doesn’t to get past a lot.

Fwiw Penney was the standout forward last year imho
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Lazy Couch potato wrote:No I’m saying I’ll get on the hype train when I see him play against decent opposition

I’ve said multiple times I don’t rate Cloete and while I always like Tod his days are numbered. He’s probably at the elder statesmen stage now.
I think jod could be a good seven but shipping him from 8 to 6 to 7 to 6 repeatedly doesn’t help his career progression

I like hodnett but all I’m saying is if he’s good enough the doesn’t to get past a lot.

Fwiw Penney was the standout forward last year imho
I'm not really on the hype train either and agree we need to see him consistently against good oppo. What I find mad is that he doesn't appear to be getting the chance to do it. Just not getting the game time he should be, especially given Munsters issues at 7.
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shabadoo wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:No I’m saying I’ll get on the hype train when I see him play against decent opposition

I’ve said multiple times I don’t rate Cloete and while I always like Tod his days are numbered. He’s probably at the elder statesmen stage now.
I think jod could be a good seven but shipping him from 8 to 6 to 7 to 6 repeatedly doesn’t help his career progression

I like hodnett but all I’m saying is if he’s good enough the doesn’t to get past a lot.

Fwiw Penney was the standout forward last year imho
I'm not really on the hype train either and agree we need to see him consistently against good oppo. What I find mad is that he doesn't appear to be getting the chance to do it. Just not getting the game time he should be, especially given Munsters issues at 7.
Pretty sure jvg had namechecked him as someone due to start in one of the the two Treviso games that were Covid cancelled. He’s first year academy prior to this he was just club/Ucc sub academy. Not sure but if he’s studying in Ucc he’s unlikely at training every day. Now whether that’s an issue or not I don’t know. Spoke once to a guy who would know him prior to the u20s 6 nations and I was having a nose. His comment was quiet sensible lad.
Ah he’s got ability whether he’s been given time to finish out studies etc or something who knows. A quick google search says he come back from u20s jwc injured With a knee injury. Those lads miss the first 4/5 games that’s often the time they need to get gametime. Then interpros then European games then Xmas interpros then finish Europe. Then he makes his debut. Mightn’t be anything to it at all.

If he’s good enough he’ll break through. There’s not 4 macaws ahead of him.





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hermie wrote:
Leinsterman wrote:Dooley out for a few weeks as well.
Crazy to have so many injuries due to pre-season although it sounds like Abdeladze's back has flared up previously.
Also, the Ryan announcement sounded strange, almost as if the shoulder injury was already there and they've only now decided to operate on it.
It's like one of MOC's pre-seasons!
Nah, definitely Cullen's :nod:
James Ryan could be back wearing the Leinster blue in time for the Heineken Cup showdown against Saracens on September 19.

The big second row dislocated his shoulder in training and it seemed as though it would lead to a long absence for his province and for Ireland.

However Leinster coach Leo Cullen revealed yesterday that the injury happened five weeks ago and that Ryan is well down the road to recovery.

"James had an operation within a day of the injury occurring and he is on the way back, doing running and working away. Obviously the first rounds of the resuming Pro 14 are going to come much too soon for him, but James will be back in mid-September we hope," he said.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 26581.html
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Great news on Ryan. Less good on Vakh and Adam Byrne unfortunately. Leavy he was also pretty cautious on.
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Vakh's sounds career threatening.. not good considering we lost two other TH's this summer.
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Lazy Couch potato wrote:
shabadoo wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:No I’m saying I’ll get on the hype train when I see him play against decent opposition

I’ve said multiple times I don’t rate Cloete and while I always like Tod his days are numbered. He’s probably at the elder statesmen stage now.
I think jod could be a good seven but shipping him from 8 to 6 to 7 to 6 repeatedly doesn’t help his career progression

I like hodnett but all I’m saying is if he’s good enough the doesn’t to get past a lot.

Fwiw Penney was the standout forward last year imho
I'm not really on the hype train either and agree we need to see him consistently against good oppo. What I find mad is that he doesn't appear to be getting the chance to do it. Just not getting the game time he should be, especially given Munsters issues at 7.
Pretty sure jvg had namechecked him as someone due to start in one of the the two Treviso games that were Covid cancelled. He’s first year academy prior to this he was just club/Ucc sub academy. Not sure but if he’s studying in Ucc he’s unlikely at training every day. Now whether that’s an issue or not I don’t know. Spoke once to a guy who would know him prior to the u20s 6 nations and I was having a nose. His comment was quiet sensible lad.
Ah he’s got ability whether he’s been given time to finish out studies etc or something who knows. A quick google search says he come back from u20s jwc injured With a knee injury. Those lads miss the first 4/5 games that’s often the time they need to get gametime. Then interpros then European games then Xmas interpros then finish Europe. Then he makes his debut. Mightn’t be anything to it at all.

If he’s good enough he’ll break through. There’s not 4 macaws ahead of him.
Hope that it is just that, mix of injury+study etc. Can't help shake the feeling that if he were a Leinsters player in the same circumstances we'd have seen more of him...but who knows I guess.

Anyway, looking forward to seeing more of him this season hopefully, see if he can keep the upward trajectory going.
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irishrugbyua wrote:Vakh's sounds career threatening.. not good considering we lost two other TH's this summer.
Shit, thats awful for the guy, didn't realise it was that bad.
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I take all injury rumours with a pinch of salt

Leavy is back on the pitch like
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irishrugbyua wrote:Vakh's sounds career threatening.. not good considering we lost two other TH's this summer.
Shit, that's rough.

Good to have an old warhorse like Bent still around anyway and Clarkson should see a lot of gametime. Who's next of the rank after that? Hopefully not Milne back to TH
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hermie wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:Vakh's sounds career threatening.. not good considering we lost two other TH's this summer.
Shit, that's rough.

Good to have an old warhorse like Bent still around anyway and Clarkson should see a lot of gametime. Who's next of the rank after that? Hopefully not Milne back to TH
pretty unclear who'd be the next player to be called upon.. quite possibly Milne shifting back over
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That's a huge problem for Leinster. Down three THs vs last season.
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danthefan wrote:That's a huge problem for Leinster. Down three THs vs last season.
The IRFU's attempts to sabotage Leinster are disgraceful. (Well, their indifference to it happening.)
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Lazy Couch potato wrote:No I’m saying I’ll get on the hype train when I see him play against decent opposition

I’ve said multiple times I don’t rate Cloete and while I always like Tod his days are numbered. He’s probably at the elder statesmen stage now.
I think jod could be a good seven but shipping him from 8 to 6 to 7 to 6 repeatedly doesn’t help his career progression

I like hodnett but all I’m saying is if he’s good enough the doesn’t to get past a lot.

Fwiw Penney was the standout forward last year imho
Whats the story with Wren who I was impressed with at under 20's level will he get any Senior gametime this season? French as well, is his defence still poor is he now playing wing?
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Hopefully Vakh makes a return eventually. Obviously with the back you'd worry but he looked like a really good player in the making.
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anonymous_joe wrote:
danthefan wrote:That's a huge problem for Leinster. Down three THs vs last season.
The IRFU's attempts to sabotage Leinster are disgraceful. (Well, their indifference to it happening.)
It seems to go in cycles, a different province gets a dig out every once in a while. Leinster got it about 12 years ago. Connact got it in the run up to their league title. Ulster had it with Anscombe but blew it (a dodgy red card didn't help). Munster seem to have been the fair haired (inbred) child for some time now though.
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danthefan wrote:That's a huge problem for Leinster. Down three THs vs last season.
be interesting to see if they bring in a club TH for cover.

no one comes to mind immediately as an obvious addition.
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irishrugbyua wrote:
danthefan wrote:That's a huge problem for Leinster. Down three THs vs last season.
be interesting to see if they bring in a club TH for cover.

no one comes to mind immediately as an obvious addition.
Would be foolish not to really.
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hermie wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
danthefan wrote:That's a huge problem for Leinster. Down three THs vs last season.
be interesting to see if they bring in a club TH for cover.

no one comes to mind immediately as an obvious addition.
Would be foolish not to really.
agreed, maybe JP Phelan from Tarf.
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Anyone else a bit miffed by all the Munster optimism in the media? The problem since Foley took over from Penney has always been trying to play a one out runner game, when at most one of our tight 5 who'd start for the top 3 teams in Europe. For all the love in for the Saffers, I don't think Snyman is better than Ryan/Fardy/Toner or Itoje/Kruis/Skelton. That leaves our front row which is still military medium with the exception of Kilcoyne.

I think 6-15 we are as good as anyone. So for me the real pressure has to be on Larkham to deliver an attacking gameplan that can compensate for our relative weak tight 5. He got a lot of great media last season but we didn't see huge strides either. The signings are great and everything but if we don't have a way to compensate for our front row getting overpowered in the knock out stages, then we're not going to progress and win some silverware.
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Bwen wrote:Anyone else a bit miffed by all the Munster optimism in the media? The problem since Foley took over from Penney has always been trying to play a one out runner game, when at most one of our tight 5 who'd start for the top 3 teams in Europe. For all the love in for the Saffers, I don't think Snyman is better than Ryan/Fardy/Toner or Itoje/Kruis/Skelton. That leaves our front row which is still military medium with the exception of Kilcoyne.

I think 6-15 we are as good as anyone. So for me the real pressure has to be on Larkham to deliver an attacking gameplan that can compensate for our relative weak tight 5. He got a lot of great media last season but we didn't see huge strides either. The signings are great and everything but if we don't have a way to compensate for our front row getting overpowered in the knock out stages, then we're not going to progress and win some silverware.
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irishrugbyua wrote:
hermie wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
danthefan wrote:That's a huge problem for Leinster. Down three THs vs last season.
be interesting to see if they bring in a club TH for cover.

no one comes to mind immediately as an obvious addition.
Would be foolish not to really.

agreed, maybe JP Phelan from Tarf.
He’s the lad that was with Munster for a bit before going back to do med?
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Lazy Couch potato wrote: He’s the lad that was with Munster for a bit before going back to do med?
Yeah, didn't make leinster academy, joined munster academy... before leaving to return to college in dublin and AIL rugby.

most obvious candidate to come in as cover off the top of my head.
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hermie wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
danthefan wrote:That's a huge problem for Leinster. Down three THs vs last season.
The IRFU's attempts to sabotage Leinster are disgraceful. (Well, their indifference to it happening.)
It seems to go in cycles, a different province gets a dig out every once in a while. Leinster got it about 12 years ago. Connact got it in the run up to their league title. Ulster had it with Anscombe but blew it (a dodgy red card didn't help). Munster seem to have been the fair haired (inbred) child for some time now though.
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Bwen wrote:Anyone else a bit miffed by all the Munster optimism in the media? The problem since Foley took over from Penney has always been trying to play a one out runner game, when at most one of our tight 5 who'd start for the top 3 teams in Europe. For all the love in for the Saffers, I don't think Snyman is better than Ryan/Fardy/Toner or Itoje/Kruis/Skelton. That leaves our front row which is still military medium with the exception of Kilcoyne.

I think 6-15 we are as good as anyone. So for me the real pressure has to be on Larkham to deliver an attacking gameplan that can compensate for our relative weak tight 5. He got a lot of great media last season but we didn't see huge strides either. The signings are great and everything but if we don't have a way to compensate for our front row getting overpowered in the knock out stages, then we're not going to progress and win some silverware.
Your backrow is your biggest weakness. Aside from Stander its very under powered and lacking in ball carriers. Hopefully the younger lads coming through will help evolve that, but it remains a massive concern.

10-12 was also a big weakness, but hopefully a clear run of injuries/good form and De Allende will help address that.

I also do think there were very positive signs of evolution in the backline last year. Ye actually showed more than simple shovel the ball on on a handful of occasions. I'd be very positive about the effect Larkham could have.
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Toner better than Snyman

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hermie wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
danthefan wrote:That's a huge problem for Leinster. Down three THs vs last season.
The IRFU's attempts to sabotage Leinster are disgraceful. (Well, their indifference to it happening.)
It seems to go in cycles, a different province gets a dig out every once in a while. Leinster got it about 12 years ago. Connact got it in the run up to their league title. Ulster had it with Anscombe but blew it (a dodgy red card didn't help). Munster seem to have been the fair haired (inbred) child for some time now though.
What dig out did Leinster get? Being allowed to sign Isa, Rocky Elsom and CJ Van Der Linde?
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PornDog wrote:
Bwen wrote:Anyone else a bit miffed by all the Munster optimism in the media? The problem since Foley took over from Penney has always been trying to play a one out runner game, when at most one of our tight 5 who'd start for the top 3 teams in Europe. For all the love in for the Saffers, I don't think Snyman is better than Ryan/Fardy/Toner or Itoje/Kruis/Skelton. That leaves our front row which is still military medium with the exception of Kilcoyne.

I think 6-15 we are as good as anyone. So for me the real pressure has to be on Larkham to deliver an attacking gameplan that can compensate for our relative weak tight 5. He got a lot of great media last season but we didn't see huge strides either. The signings are great and everything but if we don't have a way to compensate for our front row getting overpowered in the knock out stages, then we're not going to progress and win some silverware.
Your backrow is your biggest weakness. Aside from Stander its very under powered and lacking in ball carriers. Hopefully the younger lads coming through will help evolve that, but it remains a massive concern.

10-12 was also a big weakness, but hopefully a clear run of injuries/good form and De Allende will help address that.

I also do think there were very positive signs of evolution in the backline last year. Ye actually showed more than simple shovel the ball on on a handful of occasions. I'd be very positive about the effect Larkham could have.
Sygman will help a lot as a carrier but we still need more from pack. Whether knox/salanoa can push through as impact options this soon I’m not sure. Ryan is a solid scrummager but doesn’t do enough round the park. For the times we have sygman I expect beirne at 6 so that’ll add a bit of heft but we Still need a lot of carrying from our seven then. Hoped scannell can regain form as he’s a very reliable scrummager and lineout thrower normally.

Edit would have high hope for gav Coombes being a good impact sub as he progresses. He was finishing the year well pre lockdown.

Ten is a clusterfuck. If JJ could be as consistent as last year it’d be great. Carbery is sublime when in fire but how often will he be fit??
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irishrugbyua wrote:
danthefan wrote:That's a huge problem for Leinster. Down three THs vs last season.
be interesting to see if they bring in a club TH for cover.

no one comes to mind immediately as an obvious addition.
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irishrugbyua wrote:
hermie wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:Vakh's sounds career threatening.. not good considering we lost two other TH's this summer.
Shit, that's rough.

Good to have an old warhorse like Bent still around anyway and Clarkson should see a lot of gametime. Who's next of the rank after that? Hopefully not Milne back to TH

pretty unclear who'd be the next player to be called upon.. quite possibly Milne shifting back over
Would be funny if we got Salanoa back on loan for the year.
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photos of leinster u18 clubs training: https://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/2008037/5000/

Culann Carbery(Athy)*
David Dooley(Tullamore)*
Stefan Bors(Boyne)*
Tadgh Finlay(DLSP)*
Kyle Sheehy(MU Barnhall)
Fionn Luddy(Wicklow)
Cian Lee(Boyne)
Tadgh Walsh(Tullow)
Conal Kervick(Enniscorthy)
Conor Martin(Newbridge)
James Caffery(Coolmine)
Stefan San Augustin(Enniscorthy)
Noah Sheridan(Wicklow)
Lee O'Carrol(Dundalk)
David Drennan(MU Barnhall)

* = played last year.
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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
hermie wrote:
anonymous_joe wrote:
danthefan wrote:That's a huge problem for Leinster. Down three THs vs last season.
The IRFU's attempts to sabotage Leinster are disgraceful. (Well, their indifference to it happening.)
It seems to go in cycles, a different province gets a dig out every once in a while. Leinster got it about 12 years ago. Connact got it in the run up to their league title. Ulster had it with Anscombe but blew it (a dodgy red card didn't help). Munster seem to have been the fair haired (inbred) child for some time now though.
What dig out did Leinster get? Being allowed to sign Isa, Rocky Elsom and CJ Van Der Linde?
We would have had Isa, Rocky, CJ, Whitaker, Ollie & Stan, as well as Contepomi on the books all at the same time (with Strauss on the way). Also it might have taken a few quid to lure Jenno and Leo home.
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