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Casey, c'mon. He's played a few minutes since the restart.
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Congrats Ladies. Too good for us. Definitely a whiff of NZ about Leinster. Teams can have a good first half and build up some hope thinking they are beatable, but if you don’t take every single opportunity you are going to get punched in the mouth.

Back to drawing board for Ulster imo. We are definitely moving forward under McFarland but still have a lot of work to do. The pack is too soft. We aren’t going to win anything with Herring or Andrew, and McBurney is a liability. Get that lad Stewart into the mix asap.
Our locks are also too soft. We need a proper baby eater to go with Hendy. Carter is not that player.
We need some real quality in the back row. If this lad McCann is the real deal then he needs to play ahead of Rea who is too often a passenger in big games.
In the backline things are a bit more promising. The Dawg had a much better outing than Burns. McCloskey is great against poorer teams but tends to get found out against top sides. Hume, Moore and Marshall are all decent options at centre so we are alright there. Our back 3 stocks are fairly decent.
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Unfortunately Burns was the massive difference. Hard when it gets heaped on one players shoulders but he was that big a difference. Byrne grew into it and was always defending well
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By all accounts no slab of beer for the players last night. Different times
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Another weekend, another Leinster win.
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Jim Lahey wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:45 am Congrats Ladies. Too good for us. Definitely a whiff of NZ about Leinster. Teams can have a good first half and build up some hope thinking they are beatable, but if you don’t take every single opportunity you are going to get punched in the mouth.

Back to drawing board for Ulster imo. We are definitely moving forward under McFarland but still have a lot of work to do. The pack is too soft. We aren’t going to win anything with Herring or Andrew, and McBurney is a liability. Get that lad Stewart into the mix asap.
Our locks are also too soft. We need a proper baby eater to go with Hendy. Carter is not that player.
We need some real quality in the back row. If this lad McCann is the real deal then he needs to play ahead of Rea who is too often a passenger in big games.
In the backline things are a bit more promising. The Dawg had a much better outing than Burns. McCloskey is great against poorer teams but tends to get found out against top sides. Hume, Moore and Marshall are all decent options at centre so we are alright there. Our back 3 stocks are fairly decent.
I’ve been impressed by Carter if i’m honest, I think he would work well with Hendy who he hasnt really had a chance to play with yet

I agree in general that our pack is too soft, apart from Coetzee ans Hendy there’s no one who would strike fear in to someone if they came down their channel. Murphy, Reidy, Rea and Timoney are good players in their own right, especially when the opposition have the ball, but they ain’t the best players with the ball in hand
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EverReady wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:07 am By all accounts no slab of beer for the players last night. Different times
Presumably not allowed socialise together. After being in close contact for hours and hugging after the game.
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I found our first up tackling was super. Driving players back which in advance of Sarries you like to see. Ryan was a bit anonymous and we don't have much scope for passengers. Porter is the real deal these days
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CM11 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:42 am
EverReady wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:07 am By all accounts no slab of beer for the players last night. Different times
Presumably not allowed socialise together. After being in close contact for hours and hugging after the game.
Optics for the Karen's as well is my understanding.
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EverReady wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:44 am
CM11 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:42 am
EverReady wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:07 am By all accounts no slab of beer for the players last night. Different times
Presumably not allowed socialise together. After being in close contact for hours and hugging after the game.
Optics for the Karen's as well is my understanding.
Absolutely. No option or it'd be front page news today and they'd all have to retire.
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So a White Tailed Eagle goes into a Munster bar and the barman says what's your poison.
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What the f**k was with Leinster’s lineout yesterday in the first half?
A lot of the errors appeared to be unforced as well which is concerning given that Sarries will apply a hell of a lot more pressure there than Ulster did.
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Sarries will make shit of that lineout
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Jim Lahey wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:10 am What the f**k was with Leinster’s lineout yesterday in the first half?
A lot of the errors appeared to be unforced as well which is concerning given that Sarries will apply a hell of a lot more pressure there than Ulster did.
Especially a concern given Toner was playing. The whole thing was crap.
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They managed to fix it at halftime with a 100% record in the second half so it's not terminal. 4/16 lost overall.
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CM11 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:07 pm They managed to fix it at halftime with a 100% record in the second half so it's not terminal. 4/16 lost overall.
One of the four should have been caught by Doris, one Leinster didn't get a man in the air at all, I can't remember the other two specifically. It's good it got fixed obviously but need to improve big time for next week. On the other hand you'd forget just how few games senior Kelleher has actually played.
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danthefan wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:20 pm
CM11 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:07 pm They managed to fix it at halftime with a 100% record in the second half so it's not terminal. 4/16 lost overall.
One of the four should have been caught by Doris, one Leinster didn't get a man in the air at all, I can't remember the other two specifically. It's good it got fixed obviously but need to improve big time for next week. On the other hand you'd forget just how few games senior Kelleher has actually played.
Yep.

Tbf, I expect issues anyway against Sarries.
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CM11 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:07 pm They managed to fix it at halftime with a 100% record in the second half so it's not terminal. 4/16 lost overall.
Lost a lineout when a maul collapsed second half.
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lorcanoworms wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:34 pm
CM11 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:07 pm They managed to fix it at halftime with a 100% record in the second half so it's not terminal. 4/16 lost overall.
Lost a lineout when a maul collapsed second half.
That's not a lost lineout.
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CM11 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:48 pm
lorcanoworms wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:34 pm
CM11 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:07 pm They managed to fix it at halftime with a 100% record in the second half so it's not terminal. 4/16 lost overall.
Lost a lineout when a maul collapsed second half.
That's not a lost lineout.
It's the same lack of precision.
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Obviously there are several factors involved but the throwing wasn't great at times. I think Toner handled it well, calling a couple on himself and a couple to Conan at the front and Kelleher settled after a few of those.
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What was it in the first half? five lost and a misdirected tap down.
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4 lost.
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I only had half an eye on the game Saturday night but did either side ship any injuries that could rule them out of this weekend?
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Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:45 pm I only had half an eye on the game Saturday night but did either side ship any injuries that could rule them out of this weekend?
Dont think so, Andrew maybe a bit sore, but not sure youd lose anything with having McBurney on the bench anyway
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Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:45 pm I only had half an eye on the game Saturday night but did either side ship any injuries that could rule them out of this weekend?
Nothing for Leinster anyway, Ryan came through fine.
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Gauss wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:30 am He’s not good enough for international rugby but there’s something I like about Keenan. He’s like one of those random French wings from the 00s. Neat and tidy.
People on here give out about the 7's but think it has been the making of some players especially defensively if you can't tackle in 7's you get very badly exposed. Balacounne also played a year of 7's and look a the difference defensively between himself and Stockdale.
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7s makes lads Iron tough alright :lol:
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It's not toughness, it's accuracy in the tackle in high speed situations in open field.

Keenan cut down absolutely evrerything that came his way, including some one on ones with a lot of space around. I've been very impressed.
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You fairies need to stop putting it down to glorified hopscotch
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Nolanator wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:23 pm It's not toughness, it's accuracy in the tackle in high speed situations in open field.

Keenan cut down absolutely evrerything that came his way, including some one on ones with a lot of space around. I've been very impressed.
He made one great head on tackle on Stockdale stopped him Dead.

Mullet we know 7's is not for you given you barely run 7ms in a game :P
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7 metres is for pushing not running
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Fan of Keenan's. Unfussy. Makes good decisions. Good defender.

All the same lads, bit much to single out a solid front on hit on Stockdale as an exemplar. Stockdale, once he's picked his line, runs on rails. He's not a hard fecker to miss, head-on.

Jacob is the anti-Larmour.

You'd like to see both Larmour and Stockdale taking a few pages out of one another's books in terms of ball-in-hand...
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redderneck wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:54 pm Fan of Keenan's. Unfussy. Makes good decisions. Good defender.

All the same lads, bit much to single out a solid front on hit on Stockdale as an exemplar. Stockdale, once he's picked his line, runs on rails. He's not a hard fecker to miss, head-on.

Jacob is the anti-Larmour.

You'd like to see both Larmour and Stockdale taking a few pages out of one another's books in terms of ball-in-hand...
Fair points.
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Larmour is fairly good at running straight when he puts his mind to it but he does need to approach contact with more footwork than Stockdale because he does tend to find it hard to present the ball cleanly if he doesn't take contact on his own terms.

Stockdale used to beat defenders for fun, no idea what's happened.
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https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 28701.html
Tadhg Furlong remains a doubt for Leinster's Heineken Champions Cup quarter-final meeting with Saracens on Saturday.

The Lions prop suffered a back injury in the lead-up to his side's win over Munster and missed all four matches of the restart to date as Leinster claimed the Guinness PRO14 title against Ulster on Saturday.

Andrew Porter has been excellent in Furlong's absence, while Michael Bent has come in and done well off the bench.

However, with Mako Vunipola set to return for the European champions this weekend, Leinster will be keen to have their top man available for at least a run off the bench.

Dan Leavy is also being monitored, but looks less likely to be involved given the form and fitness of his rivals for the No 7 jersey, Will Connors and Josh van der Flier.

Van der Flier won the man of the match award on Saturday, but looks set to lose out to tough-tackling Connors for the start against the English giants.

Leinster can call on new signing, Ciaran Parker who trains with his new team-mates for the first time today after undergoing his covid-19 quarantine period.

The former Munster tighthead has been drafted in on a loan basis from English Championship side Jersey Reds.




Retiring winger Fergus McFadden, who lifted the PRO14 trophy on Saturday along with Rob Kearney, is fit again and available for selection. However, the Kildare native will find it tough to break into a winning team for the biggest match of the season, with Hugo Keenan likely to continue on the right wing.

James Ryan suffered no ill-effects on his return from a shoulder injury against Ulster, but highly-rated hooker Dan Sheehan faces between four and six weeks on the sidelines after suffering a cheekbone injury.
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Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:41 pm
Nolanator wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:23 pm It's not toughness, it's accuracy in the tackle in high speed situations in open field.

Keenan cut down absolutely evrerything that came his way, including some one on ones with a lot of space around. I've been very impressed.
He made one great head on tackle on Stockdale stopped him Dead.

Mullet we know 7's is not for you given you barely run 7ms in a game :P
i hate 7s. All stems from the one time i played it where I (as a prop) broke from my own 22 and somehow made it all the way down field only to be hauled down 1 fúcking meter short. was then too fúcked/gassed to do anymore.

Shit game meant for pansy backs or backrows who think they are wingers
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Leinster in London wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:57 pm https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 28701.html
Tadhg Furlong remains a doubt for Leinster's Heineken Champions Cup quarter-final meeting with Saracens on Saturday.

The Lions prop suffered a back injury in the lead-up to his side's win over Munster and missed all four matches of the restart to date as Leinster claimed the Guinness PRO14 title against Ulster on Saturday.

Andrew Porter has been excellent in Furlong's absence, while Michael Bent has come in and done well off the bench.

However, with Mako Vunipola set to return for the European champions this weekend, Leinster will be keen to have their top man available for at least a run off the bench.

Dan Leavy is also being monitored, but looks less likely to be involved given the form and fitness of his rivals for the No 7 jersey, Will Connors and Josh van der Flier.

Van der Flier won the man of the match award on Saturday, but looks set to lose out to tough-tackling Connors for the start against the English giants.

Leinster can call on new signing, Ciaran Parker who trains with his new team-mates for the first time today after undergoing his covid-19 quarantine period.

The former Munster tighthead has been drafted in on a loan basis from English Championship side Jersey Reds.




Retiring winger Fergus McFadden, who lifted the PRO14 trophy on Saturday along with Rob Kearney, is fit again and available for selection. However, the Kildare native will find it tough to break into a winning team for the biggest match of the season, with Hugo Keenan likely to continue on the right wing.

James Ryan suffered no ill-effects on his return from a shoulder injury against Ulster, but highly-rated hooker Dan Sheehan faces between four and six weeks on the sidelines after suffering a cheekbone injury.
Porter's earned his shot to start a big one.
Nervous for him, but even if he has a tough day it'll be a good learning experience.

If BOTH our scrum and lineout turn to shit, Leinster are in serious trouble though.
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HighKingLeinster wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:59 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:41 pm
Nolanator wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:23 pm It's not toughness, it's accuracy in the tackle in high speed situations in open field.

Keenan cut down absolutely evrerything that came his way, including some one on ones with a lot of space around. I've been very impressed.
He made one great head on tackle on Stockdale stopped him Dead.

Mullet we know 7's is not for you given you barely run 7ms in a game :P
i hate 7s. All stems from the one time i played it where I (as a prop) broke from my own 22 and somehow made it all the way down field only to be hauled down 1 fúcking meter short. was then too fúcked/gassed to do anymore.

Shit game meant for pansy backs or backrows who think they are wingers
Amen.

As a player blessed with SFA acceleration and known for being far better off the ball than on, I may as well have blundered into a high end lapdancing club after leaving my wallet in the taxi, as play 7's
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