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I hope ross goes well.

Given our centres I can see the logic of the pack. This is going to be a stand up knock down brawl.

I don't think we can live with them in that game but given the lack of options I don't see a choice.

Luckycharmer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:59 pm About as good a team as could be picked from what was available, POM played well don't mind him so much with Doris and stander, hopefully he has a stormer.

His whole problem is his inconsistency - he’ll have one big game in 5

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:03 pm I hope ross goes well.

Given our centres I can see the logic of the pack. This is going to be a stand up knock down brawl.

I don't think we can live with them in that game but given the lack of options I don't see a choice.

Doris and POM aren’t the men for a brawl. You want the likes of Ruddock

Interesting to see at least two sub academy players at leinster senior training today: u21 LH Prop Marcus Hanan(Clane) and u20 outside back Jamie Osborne(Naas)

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:27 pm

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:03 pm I hope ross goes well.

Given our centres I can see the logic of the pack. This is going to be a stand up knock down brawl.

I don't think we can live with them in that game but given the lack of options I don't see a choice.

Doris and POM aren’t the men for a brawl. You want the likes of Ruddock

Need to find a few enforcers in the West and South West

Team is fine, given what we do and don't have available. I wouldn't have started POM but he played well against Wales. Murray not starting is genuinely one of the most surprising Irish selections in years imo.

double post

The day was always gonna come when this number of project players were involved. Some on here were calling it over a decade ago when it started creeping in. Five years is a bit better mind you. When does that come into effect?

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:27 pm

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:03 pm I hope ross goes well.

Given our centres I can see the logic of the pack. This is going to be a stand up knock down brawl.

I don't think we can live with them in that game but given the lack of options I don't see a choice.

Doris and POM aren’t the men for a brawl. You want the likes of Ruddock

Tis what it is

DOB wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:11 pm

PornDog wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:03 pm

DOB wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:37 pm

Mr. Very Popular wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:32 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:08 pm A third of the team project players.

6 of the 23 are projects with Bealham as well, must be one of the most foreign heavy teams we've put out in a long time.

Bealham is Granny-qualified. Not technically a project.

Was about to say - Bealham, Herring and Burns are qualified from birth.

We can't even have 5 furreners in the provincial sides, but we can at international level. Thank fudge residency has gone to 5 years. Tis a feckin disgrace.

They're all a good bunch of lads, have loads of time for all of them, but they shouldn't be wearing green (well except for Bundi and Roux!)

CJ could wear green too, tbf.

Do you mean SA or has he been spotted picking up a hurley?

This may run counter to the narrative, but I have to say, I'm pleased for Quinn Roux. He put in a cracking shift last week he fully deserves to start again, if we keep things based on merit. I like a forward whose only contemplation of a backward step is as something to crack heads on. Helps Porter too.

Never underestimate the power of stubborn cnutdom.

redderneck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:15 pm This may run counter to the narrative, but I have to say, I'm pleased for Quinn Roux. He put in a cracking shift last week he fully deserves to start again, if we keep things based on merit. I like a forward whose only contemplation of a backward step is as something to crack heads on. Helps Porter too.

Never underestimate the power of stubborn cnutdom.

+1

In truth I also don't mind a lad who has been over for the majority of his career and improved enough to legitimately merit a place. Think that's a bit of a different scenario than someone who's clearly been told to arrive and will get capped the first game he's eligible. That may have been what Roux was originally signed to do, I just remember him being duff for Leinster. Fair dues to him

redderneck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:15 pm This may run counter to the narrative, but I have to say, I'm pleased for Quinn Roux. He put in a cracking shift last week he fully deserves to start again, if we keep things based on merit. I like a forward whose only contemplation of a backward step is as something to crack heads on. Helps Porter too.

Never underestimate the power of stubborn cnutdom.

I said this after the Wales game, I'd keep him in for next week. He's a great big lump and he uses his bulk well. I don't think it's totally a coincidence our scrum went so well either.

He was never a duffer for Leinster. He was always a big lump of a TH lock. He's obviously improved over the years, but he wasn't starting from a low base.

He's played most of his career here and has taken Irish citizenship. He's one of those residency poaches who really earns their Irish caps retrospectively. Capped pretty much as soon as was possible, which is a bit stinky, but hung around. Rickard Strauss was the same. The opposite to Riki Flutey.


Roux also has an absolute tinker's haircut, which helps in his role as pack meathead.

Yep his mullet is great.
We need a few more thugs like that or lads with skinheads.

Like Keet and Conway?

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:56 pm It's still 8/23 that didn't come through the system from underage. Poor showing.

Bealham was in the Ulster academy.

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:41 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:56 pm It's still 8/23 that didn't come through the system from underage. Poor showing.

Bealham was in the Ulster academy.

A comment which doesn't dispute my point.

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:53 pm

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:41 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:56 pm It's still 8/23 that didn't come through the system from underage. Poor showing.

Bealham was in the Ulster academy.

A comment which doesn't dispute my point.

He's been in Ireland since he was 18, and he certainly didn't learn to scrummage in the Brumbies underage ranks in the 00's. He's a slightly different situation to the other foreign-born players in the squad.

DOB wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:51 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:53 pm

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:41 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:56 pm It's still 8/23 that didn't come through the system from underage. Poor showing.

Bealham was in the Ulster academy.

A comment which doesn't dispute my point.

He's been in Ireland since he was 18, and he certainly didn't learn to scrummage in the Brumbies underage ranks in the 00's. He's a slightly different situation to the other foreign-born players in the squad.

Bealham grew up in Canberra. He attended St Edmund's College in the city. He played rugby league at a young age before concentrating solely on union from the age of 16.[1] Despite being selected for the Australian schools side and representing their 'A' side, Bealham was not given a spot in the Brumbies academy and instead moved to Ireland to start his professional career

He is definitely the best but still not someone who came through the underage system.

capped internationals in their 20's from provinces other than leinster are light on the ground...

Ulster
Luke Marshall(29/Wallace) - 11
Craig Gilroy(29/Methody) - 10
Iain Henderson(28/BRA) - 55
Paddy Jackson(28/Methody) - 25
Stuart McCloskey(28/Bangor) - 3
Chris Farrell(27/Campbell) - 11
Stuart Olding(27/BRA) - 4
Jacob Stockdale(24/Wallace) - 30

Munster
James Cronin(29/Highfield) - 3
Niall Scannell(28/PBC) - 20
Darren Sweetnam(27/Bandon) - 3
Jack O'Donoghue(26/Waterpark RFC) - 2
Rory Scannell(26/PBC) - 3
Ultan Dillane(26/Tralee RFC) - 17

Connacht
Tiernan O'Halloran(29/Roscrea) - 6
Dave Heffernan(29/Blackrock) - 4
Jack Carty(28/Marist) - 10
Robbie Henshaw(27/Marist) - 46

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:43 am Aren't Leinster just great.

Thanks for that.

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:49 am

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:43 am Aren't Leinster just great.

Thanks for that.

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:49 am

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:43 am Aren't Leinster just great.

Thanks for that.

You’re welcome

Leinster

Jordi Murphy(29/Blackrock) - 30
Martin Moore(29/Castleknock) - 10
Andrew Conway(29/Blackrock) - 24
James Tracy(29/Newbridge) - 6
Tadhg Beirne(28/Clongowes) - 16
Jack Conan(28/St. Gerards) - 17
Tadhg Furlong(28/New Ross RFC) - 44
Ed Byrne(27/Clongowes) - 3
Josh van der Flier(27/Wesley) - 27
Luke McGrath(27/Michaels) - 19
Rory O'Loughlin(26/Michaels) - 1
Adam Byrne(26/Naas RFC) - 1
Dan Leavy(26/Michaels) - 11
Ross Byrne(25/Michaels) - 8
Joey Carbery(25/Athy RFC-Blackrock) -22
Garry Ringrose(25/Blackrock) - 30
Will Connors(24/Clongowes) - 3
Max Deegan(24/Michaels) - 1
Andrew Porter(24/Andrews) - 29
James Ryan(24/Michaels) - 29
Hugo Keenan(24/Blackrock) - 3
Jordan Larmour(23/Andrews) - 24
Caelan Doris(22/Blackrock) - 5
Rónan Kelleher(22/Michaels) - 4

Watchin that Argie game last week it was great to see some old school fire.

I think for years we discounted that because our fitness gave out in the 90s but now our lads are every bit as fit. I think we have gone a little too far down the headphones in "just another job" and need a bit more of the mad bastard.

Even seeing their squad members animated and not talking shite among themselves and half watching was great.

Blare out the Wolfe Tones in the dressing room on Saturday say I (headphones with the Sash for Jacob and big Iain)

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:13 am Watchin that Argie game last week it was great to see some old school fire.

I think for years we discounted that because our fitness gave out in the 90s but now our lads are every bit as fit. I think we have gone a little too far down the headphones in "just another job" and need a bit more of the mad bastard.

Even seeing their squad members animated and not talking shite among themselves and half watching was great.

Blare out the Wolfe Tones in the dressing room on Saturday say I (headphones with the Sash for Jacob and big Iain)

And the kiwi lads can do the Haka in the corridor while the Saffa lads belt out the national anthem of the apartheid era

Conspicuous wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:20 am

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:13 am Watchin that Argie game last week it was great to see some old school fire.

I think for years we discounted that because our fitness gave out in the 90s but now our lads are every bit as fit. I think we have gone a little too far down the headphones in "just another job" and need a bit more of the mad bastard.

Even seeing their squad members animated and not talking shite among themselves and half watching was great.

Blare out the Wolfe Tones in the dressing room on Saturday say I (headphones with the Sash for Jacob and big Iain)

And the kiwi lads can do the Haka in the corridor while the Saffa lads belt out the national anthem of the apartheid era

Modern Ireland - inclusive for everyone

Conspicuous wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:20 am

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:13 am Watchin that Argie game last week it was great to see some old school fire.

I think for years we discounted that because our fitness gave out in the 90s but now our lads are every bit as fit. I think we have gone a little too far down the headphones in "just another job" and need a bit more of the mad bastard.

Even seeing their squad members animated and not talking shite among themselves and half watching was great.

Blare out the Wolfe Tones in the dressing room on Saturday say I (headphones with the Sash for Jacob and big Iain)

And the kiwi lads can do the Haka in the corridor while the Saffa lads belt out the national anthem of the apartheid era

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:55 pm Underhill much bigger, I would have thought.

Not much in it, it appears:

Bath website have Underhill at 1.86 and 103Kg
Leinster website have Penny at 1.83 and 102Kg

DeDoc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:40 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:55 pm Underhill much bigger, I would have thought.

Not much in it, it appears:

Bath website have Underhill at 1.86 and 103Kg
Leinster website have Penny at 1.83 and 102Kg

if you believe listed stats.

DeDoc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:40 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:55 pm Underhill much bigger, I would have thought.

Not much in it, it appears:

Bath website have Underhill at 1.86 and 103Kg
Leinster website have Penny at 1.83 and 102Kg

Fair enough if they're accurate. Penny looks smaller than that, Underhill taller. Could be a shoulder thing.

they're both fairly chunky. Penny looks bigger around the mid-section/thighs and not quite as tall. Underhill a bit bigger in the chest/shoulders area

Sounds like Milne(21) would be moved across if they need more cover at TH Prop, with Marcus Hanan(20) stepping up at loose.

DeDoc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:55 am they're both fairly chunky. Penny looks bigger around the mid-section/thighs and not quite as tall. Underhill a bit bigger in the chest/shoulders area

Yep - Underhill is bigger up top so looks bigger. Id still think he is more than a kilo heavier though. I think Penny's frame will take a few more KG's as he develops.

Have to remember Penny just turned 21...Underhill is over 3 years older than him.

Penny gets himself into the right positions to turn ball over as he is so fast - much like VDF he seems to get blown off the ball a bit once he is there though. Hopefully getting a bit bigger will help with that. He has absolutely everything else you would want your openside to have though.

I think in 2 years Leinsters first choice backrow will be Leavy, Penny, Doris. And it will be beautiful.

Add in Ryan and Baird in the second row and things are looking mighty good...

It'll be interesting to see how much of a difference Roux makes to the Leinster tight five which was brutalised in the scrum against Saracens.

shabadoo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:15 pm

DeDoc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:55 am they're both fairly chunky. Penny looks bigger around the mid-section/thighs and not quite as tall. Underhill a bit bigger in the chest/shoulders area

Yep - Underhill is bigger up top so looks bigger. Id still think he is more than a kilo heavier though. I think Penny's frame will take a few more KG's as he develops.

Have to remember Penny just turned 21...Underhill is over 3 years older than him.

Penny gets himself into the right positions to turn ball over as he is so fast - much like VDF he seems to get blown off the ball a bit once he is there though. Hopefully getting a bit bigger will help with that. He has absolutely everything else you would want your openside to have though.

I think in 2 years Leinsters first choice backrow will be Leavy, Penny, Doris. And it will be beautiful.

Add in Ryan and Baird in the second row and things are looking mighty good...

He's a little bit more squat than VDF though which you would think might give him a slight advantage in that area.

Leaving Ford on the bench with Farrell at 10. Does that make it easier for us?

Unless riding behind a completely dominant pack, I think England look stronger and more inventive with Ford and Farrell together. All the more important for the pack to come racing out of the traps on Saturday

Has this been done?
Just listened to the left Wing podcast and they mentioned it there.
Jesus, so unlucky, playing tag rugby.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb ... bjWgF5TMQY

rialtoblue wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:57 pm Leaving Ford on the bench with Farrell at 10. Does that make it easier for us?

Unless riding behind a completely dominant pack, I think England look stronger and more inventive with Ford and Farrell together. All the more important for the pack to come racing out of the traps on Saturday

Possibly but he's just back from injury so not all that surprising.

Surprised that Willis isn't on the bench. He's capped now so can't poach him anymore