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10s is good craic.
Best of both worlds.
It pays to not be a fat f**k mind.
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Floppykid wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:05 pm
Leinster in London wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:57 pm https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 28701.html
Tadhg Furlong remains a doubt for Leinster's Heineken Champions Cup quarter-final meeting with Saracens on Saturday.

The Lions prop suffered a back injury in the lead-up to his side's win over Munster and missed all four matches of the restart to date as Leinster claimed the Guinness PRO14 title against Ulster on Saturday.

Andrew Porter has been excellent in Furlong's absence, while Michael Bent has come in and done well off the bench.

However, with Mako Vunipola set to return for the European champions this weekend, Leinster will be keen to have their top man available for at least a run off the bench.

Dan Leavy is also being monitored, but looks less likely to be involved given the form and fitness of his rivals for the No 7 jersey, Will Connors and Josh van der Flier.

Van der Flier won the man of the match award on Saturday, but looks set to lose out to tough-tackling Connors for the start against the English giants.

Leinster can call on new signing, Ciaran Parker who trains with his new team-mates for the first time today after undergoing his covid-19 quarantine period.

The former Munster tighthead has been drafted in on a loan basis from English Championship side Jersey Reds.




Retiring winger Fergus McFadden, who lifted the PRO14 trophy on Saturday along with Rob Kearney, is fit again and available for selection. However, the Kildare native will find it tough to break into a winning team for the biggest match of the season, with Hugo Keenan likely to continue on the right wing.

James Ryan suffered no ill-effects on his return from a shoulder injury against Ulster, but highly-rated hooker Dan Sheehan faces between four and six weeks on the sidelines after suffering a cheekbone injury.
Porter's earned his shot to start a big one.
Nervous for him, but even if he has a tough day it'll be a good learning experience.

If BOTH our scrum and lineout turn to shit, Leinster are in serious trouble though.
Mako isn't known for his scrummaging, reckon porter will be fine there. We need to sort out our lineout especially against Itoje.
Will connors in to chop Billy/Mako.
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Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:14 pm 10s is good craic.
Best of both worlds.
It pays to not be a fat f**k mind.
You have spotted the theme in all the lads who hate 7's :P
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Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:14 pm 10s is good craic.
Best of both worlds.
It pays to not be a fat f**k mind.
I'd pay money to see a fat lads only 7s match. dropped passes everywhere and everybody gassed after 2 minutes
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Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:14 pm 10s is good craic.
Best of both worlds.
It pays to not be a fat f**k mind.
Yup. Tens is decent. Highfield used to run an annual u-20 tens tournament as a season-starter many moons ago, and it was properly good craic.
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Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:18 pm
Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:14 pm 10s is good craic.
Best of both worlds.
It pays to not be a fat f**k mind.
You have spotted the theme in all the lads who hate 7's :P
that they are real men, not quinoa salad eating, skinny jean wearing benders
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Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:18 pm
Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:14 pm 10s is good craic.
Best of both worlds.
It pays to not be a fat f**k mind.
You have spotted the theme in all the lads who hate 7's :P
I spent every one of my playing days desperately trying to put on some bulk, and by and large (no pun intended) failing. Within three years of injury finishing me off, the bulk just wouldn't fcuk off.

Lack of pace and the ball in hand game of a one-armed rock climber, did for me.
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Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:17 pm
Floppykid wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:05 pm
Leinster in London wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:57 pm https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 28701.html
Tadhg Furlong remains a doubt for Leinster's Heineken Champions Cup quarter-final meeting with Saracens on Saturday.

The Lions prop suffered a back injury in the lead-up to his side's win over Munster and missed all four matches of the restart to date as Leinster claimed the Guinness PRO14 title against Ulster on Saturday.

Andrew Porter has been excellent in Furlong's absence, while Michael Bent has come in and done well off the bench.

However, with Mako Vunipola set to return for the European champions this weekend, Leinster will be keen to have their top man available for at least a run off the bench.

Dan Leavy is also being monitored, but looks less likely to be involved given the form and fitness of his rivals for the No 7 jersey, Will Connors and Josh van der Flier.

Van der Flier won the man of the match award on Saturday, but looks set to lose out to tough-tackling Connors for the start against the English giants.

Leinster can call on new signing, Ciaran Parker who trains with his new team-mates for the first time today after undergoing his covid-19 quarantine period.

The former Munster tighthead has been drafted in on a loan basis from English Championship side Jersey Reds.




Retiring winger Fergus McFadden, who lifted the PRO14 trophy on Saturday along with Rob Kearney, is fit again and available for selection. However, the Kildare native will find it tough to break into a winning team for the biggest match of the season, with Hugo Keenan likely to continue on the right wing.

James Ryan suffered no ill-effects on his return from a shoulder injury against Ulster, but highly-rated hooker Dan Sheehan faces between four and six weeks on the sidelines after suffering a cheekbone injury.
Porter's earned his shot to start a big one.
Nervous for him, but even if he has a tough day it'll be a good learning experience.

If BOTH our scrum and lineout turn to shit, Leinster are in serious trouble though.
Mako isn't known for his scrummaging, reckon porter will be fine there. We need to sort out our lineout especially against Itoje.
Will connors in to chop Billy/Mako.
Agreed, it'll be interesting to see if Fardy or Toner is started with Ryan.
Get more grunt around the pitch with Fardy but Toner may give more security at the lineout.

I would have said start Ruddock for his leadership and work from 6 but Doris seems to be suited to both.
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Didn't realise Mako was back. Shite.
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Floppykid wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:30 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:17 pm
Floppykid wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:05 pm
Leinster in London wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:57 pm https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 28701.html
Tadhg Furlong remains a doubt for Leinster's Heineken Champions Cup quarter-final meeting with Saracens on Saturday.

The Lions prop suffered a back injury in the lead-up to his side's win over Munster and missed all four matches of the restart to date as Leinster claimed the Guinness PRO14 title against Ulster on Saturday.

Andrew Porter has been excellent in Furlong's absence, while Michael Bent has come in and done well off the bench.

However, with Mako Vunipola set to return for the European champions this weekend, Leinster will be keen to have their top man available for at least a run off the bench.

Dan Leavy is also being monitored, but looks less likely to be involved given the form and fitness of his rivals for the No 7 jersey, Will Connors and Josh van der Flier.

Van der Flier won the man of the match award on Saturday, but looks set to lose out to tough-tackling Connors for the start against the English giants.

Leinster can call on new signing, Ciaran Parker who trains with his new team-mates for the first time today after undergoing his covid-19 quarantine period.

The former Munster tighthead has been drafted in on a loan basis from English Championship side Jersey Reds.




Retiring winger Fergus McFadden, who lifted the PRO14 trophy on Saturday along with Rob Kearney, is fit again and available for selection. However, the Kildare native will find it tough to break into a winning team for the biggest match of the season, with Hugo Keenan likely to continue on the right wing.

James Ryan suffered no ill-effects on his return from a shoulder injury against Ulster, but highly-rated hooker Dan Sheehan faces between four and six weeks on the sidelines after suffering a cheekbone injury.
Porter's earned his shot to start a big one.
Nervous for him, but even if he has a tough day it'll be a good learning experience.

If BOTH our scrum and lineout turn to shit, Leinster are in serious trouble though.
Mako isn't known for his scrummaging, reckon porter will be fine there. We need to sort out our lineout especially against Itoje.
Will connors in to chop Billy/Mako.
Agreed, it'll be interesting to see if Fardy or Toner is started with Ryan.
Get more grunt around the pitch with Fardy but Toner may give more security at the lineout.

I would have said start Ruddock for his leadership and work from 6 but Doris seems to be suited to both.
Ruddock doesn't seem to be in the reckoning at all these days, wonder will he look to move next season if stays the same. Reckon it will be Toner for the Lineout with Fardy on the bench, how long more is he contracted for?
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Munster have announced that the club's head of athletic performance Denis Logan will depart the province at the end of October.
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Toner has to start for me. Conan was a mixed bag at the weekend. Got through a mountain of work but with a few errors and penos thrown in there. Now he might quibble with some of the calls that went against him but he'll need to tighten that up for Sarries. Hard to see him not start though, he does give you a lot in terms of dominant hits, in the carry and has also gone well in the lineout. Otherwise the options would be Deegan or Ruddock. Or you could move Fardy to 6 like last year's final and introduce Baird on the bench. Definitely wouldn't start Conan and Fardy together though as they seem to be struggling with the interpretations a little more than most.
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Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:51 pm
Ruddock doesn't seem to be in the reckoning at all these days, wonder will he look to move next season if stays the same. Reckon it will be Toner for the Lineout with Fardy on the bench, how long more is he contracted for?
wouldnt be surprised if he moved on as he is out of contract in june 2021, turns 30 in november and has fallen down the pecking order.
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Seems like Zebo may be released by Racing 92 at the end of the season.
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HighKingLeinster wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:18 pm
Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:14 pm 10s is good craic.
Best of both worlds.
It pays to not be a fat f**k mind.
I'd pay money to see a fat lads only 7s match. dropped passes everywhere and everybody gassed after 2 minutes
There's a Tight 5 7s in San Francisco every year. There's a weigh-in in the morning and teams start each game with points advantage for players being over 220lbs/35 years old. If it was better organized, it might be more fun, but it tends to be run by lads that get as drunk as you'd expect over the course of the day and devolves into a bit of a shitshow.
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HighKingLeinster wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:18 pm
Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:14 pm 10s is good craic.
Best of both worlds.
It pays to not be a fat f**k mind.
I'd pay money to see a fat lads only 7s match. dropped passes everywhere and everybody gassed after 2 minutes
Ha, I've been there. Our charity new year's game one year got fewer attendees than anticipated and descended into a game of 7s. Mostly fatsos or at least seriously unfit barring one or two exceptions. We enlisted some of the ladies team who showed up to watch to pad out the numbers after half time (only girls could tackle girls).
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irishrugbyua wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:57 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:51 pm
Ruddock doesn't seem to be in the reckoning at all these days, wonder will he look to move next season if stays the same. Reckon it will be Toner for the Lineout with Fardy on the bench, how long more is he contracted for?
wouldnt be surprised if he moved on as he is out of contract in june 2021, turns 30 in november and has fallen down the pecking order.
Ruddock's been very good for us any time I've seen him in the last 12-18 months. It'd be harsh to let him go, but there's suddenly a rake of lads coming through in his position.

It would be careless to release Ruddock, and then have Leavy break in his first game of the 2021 season.
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DOB wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:09 pm
Ruddock's been very good for us any time I've seen him in the last 12-18 months. It'd be harsh to let him go, but there's suddenly a rake of lads coming through in his position.

It would be careless to release Ruddock, and then have Leavy break in his first game of the 2021 season.
some BR's are gonna move on eventually, just a matter of who and when.. Ruddock would seem to a prime candidate at the minute.
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irishrugbyua wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:59 pm Seems like Zebo may be released by Racing 92 at the end of the season.
Is he not starting now?
As in a couple of months or has a new T14 season started?
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Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:29 pm
irishrugbyua wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:59 pm Seems like Zebo may be released by Racing 92 at the end of the season.
Is he not starting now?
As in a couple of months or has a new T14 season started?
New season started weekend before last.
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So we can still expect a season of articles about him starting for Ireland and the Lions?
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Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:36 pm So we can still expect a season of articles about him starting for Ireland and the Lions?

Reckon he'll feck off to Japan.
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Mr. Very Popular wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:40 pm
Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:36 pm So we can still expect a season of articles about him starting for Ireland and the Lions?

Reckon he'll feck off to Japan.
I'm sure there's a club in the south of France that will take him.
Is he needed at any of the provinces?
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DOB wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:09 pm
irishrugbyua wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:57 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:51 pm
Ruddock doesn't seem to be in the reckoning at all these days, wonder will he look to move next season if stays the same. Reckon it will be Toner for the Lineout with Fardy on the bench, how long more is he contracted for?
wouldnt be surprised if he moved on as he is out of contract in june 2021, turns 30 in november and has fallen down the pecking order.
Ruddock's been very good for us any time I've seen him in the last 12-18 months. It'd be harsh to let him go, but there's suddenly a rake of lads coming through in his position.

It would be careless to release Ruddock, and then have Leavy break in his first game of the 2021 season.
Part of the problem with Ruddock is that he was great as a tight carrier when we basically had Healy and nobody else offering much in that regard. Now most of the tight 5 are more than capable so he's probably being asked to reinvent himself a little bit. He's got a great engine but unfortunately for him so do most of his competitors. Still an excellent player mind.
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Mr. Very Popular wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:40 pm
Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:36 pm So we can still expect a season of articles about him starting for Ireland and the Lions?

Reckon he'll feck off to Japan.
Dangerous.

He'll need to stay away from the whaling ships.
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Mr. Very Popular wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:40 pm
Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:36 pm So we can still expect a season of articles about him starting for Ireland and the Lions?

Reckon he'll feck off to Japan.
Sumo?
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Mr. Very Popular wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:40 pm
Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:36 pm So we can still expect a season of articles about him starting for Ireland and the Lions?

Reckon he'll feck off to Japan.
USA. Though he could become so massive on their food as to risk collapsing in on himself and destroying the world
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hermie wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:02 pm
DOB wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:09 pm
irishrugbyua wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:57 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:51 pm
Ruddock doesn't seem to be in the reckoning at all these days, wonder will he look to move next season if stays the same. Reckon it will be Toner for the Lineout with Fardy on the bench, how long more is he contracted for?
wouldnt be surprised if he moved on as he is out of contract in june 2021, turns 30 in november and has fallen down the pecking order.
Ruddock's been very good for us any time I've seen him in the last 12-18 months. It'd be harsh to let him go, but there's suddenly a rake of lads coming through in his position.

It would be careless to release Ruddock, and then have Leavy break in his first game of the 2021 season.
Part of the problem with Ruddock is that he was great as a tight carrier when we basically had Healy and nobody else offering much in that regard. Now most of the tight 5 are more than capable so he's probably being asked to reinvent himself a little bit. He's got a great engine but unfortunately for him so do most of his competitors. Still an excellent player mind.
They tried Deegan in his place and it was not good, against Treviso I believe.

I still maintain he was left in the cold for no reason that seemed fair by both Schmidt and Farrell in the 2018-2019 seasons.
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Floppykid wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:28 pm
hermie wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:02 pm
DOB wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:09 pm
irishrugbyua wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:57 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:51 pm
Ruddock doesn't seem to be in the reckoning at all these days, wonder will he look to move next season if stays the same. Reckon it will be Toner for the Lineout with Fardy on the bench, how long more is he contracted for?
wouldnt be surprised if he moved on as he is out of contract in june 2021, turns 30 in november and has fallen down the pecking order.
Ruddock's been very good for us any time I've seen him in the last 12-18 months. It'd be harsh to let him go, but there's suddenly a rake of lads coming through in his position.

It would be careless to release Ruddock, and then have Leavy break in his first game of the 2021 season.
Part of the problem with Ruddock is that he was great as a tight carrier when we basically had Healy and nobody else offering much in that regard. Now most of the tight 5 are more than capable so he's probably being asked to reinvent himself a little bit. He's got a great engine but unfortunately for him so do most of his competitors. Still an excellent player mind.
They tried Deegan in his place and it was not good, against Treviso I believe.

I still maintain he was left in the cold for no reason that seemed fair by both Schmidt and Farrell in the 2018-2019 seasons.
because you know better than both of them :thumbup:
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irishrugbyua wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:59 pm Seems like Zebo may be released by Racing 92 at the end of the season.
Any reasons?

He's done very well there I thought?
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anonymous_joe wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:31 pm
irishrugbyua wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:59 pm Seems like Zebo may be released by Racing 92 at the end of the season.
Any reasons?

He's done very well there I thought?
I'm going to hazard a guess and say given his tendency even when at his peak, to return from a regular off-season looking more like something well-lagged you'd find in a hot press, rather than an elite athlete, coupled with a C-19 extended off-season might be contributory factors.

He's getting on for a winger in any case. Hope he's not angling for a return to Cork. That cruise ship has sailed and is currently anchored offshore, quietly quarantining.
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Leinster are short at TH.
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anonymous_joe wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:31 pm
irishrugbyua wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:59 pm Seems like Zebo may be released by Racing 92 at the end of the season.
Any reasons?

He's done very well there I thought?
probably noticed he has no interest in defending or staying fit.
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Would like to see ruddock at 6 and Doris at 8
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rialtoblue wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:30 pm Would like to see ruddock at 6 and Doris at 8
Conan gave away 3 penalties for not rolling but other than that he was excellent and has been since the return. No way he should drop out for Ruddock who hasn't played at all imo.
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rialtoblue wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:30 pm Would like to see ruddock at 6 and Doris at 8
dont see it happening.. and would be very reluctant to move doris from 6
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Sorry, didn't mean for Saturday, but more in general I like the balance they bring in those positions. I think Doris is a more rounded footballer than Conan
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danthefan wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:36 pm
rialtoblue wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:30 pm Would like to see ruddock at 6 and Doris at 8
Conan gave away 3 penalties for not rolling but other than that he was excellent and has been since the return. No way he should drop out for Ruddock who hasn't played at all imo.
Conan top (Leinster) tackler 20/0. VDF only 10/0. Doris in the middle 15/0.
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rialtoblue wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:40 pm Sorry, didn't mean for Saturday, but more in general I like the balance they bring in those positions. I think Doris is a more rounded footballer than Conan
Ah right, I'm sure we'll see it next season at some point. Getting more and more clear that it's going to be Doris+2 though imo.
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danthefan wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:26 pm
rialtoblue wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:40 pm Sorry, didn't mean for Saturday, but more in general I like the balance they bring in those positions. I think Doris is a more rounded footballer than Conan
Ah right, I'm sure we'll see it next season at some point. Getting more and more clear that it's going to be Doris+2 though imo.
He’s pushed on a good bit since the restart alright . If he keeps on this trajectory he’ll be close to James Ryan levels of influence and importance soon
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