The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Salanya · Post by **Salanya** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm

Disappointing - just didn't turn up in the first half. Saracens played well, but we only played one half. And we left plenty of points on the field.

Some lessons learned about some of our players.

Selections need to be made on form, experience is not enough.
Leo has always trusted the young lads, but he made a few conservative choices today.

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm

franch fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm All of that is just dressing though.

You won't win shit with your scrum taking a beating like that.
Leinster scrum is actually pretty good and probably one of the best in the competition.
It's just that Sarries front row is exceptional

Furlong was injured

nardol · Post by **nardol** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm

What does Larmour bring these days?

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm

Brad Barritt is a proper captain. Humble in victory. Well spoken. A real gentleman of the game.

IBWT · Post by **IBWT** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm

Basics so important. Late scrums. Saracens milked pens from them. Two late restarts. Saracens won both giving them field position.

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm

I honestly dont know sometimes with modern pros though. .

Any metro player could see it. All they needed was one penalty and we consistently played in an area where one slip was goodnight.

Truly brainless

iarmhiman · Post by **iarmhiman** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
danthefan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:58 pm Didn't see any of the second half, from the score it looks like Leinster at least threw a punch but you can't get f**ked like that in the first half and have a chance of winning. Ah well, better Saracens clearly still better and Leinster with a bit to go
We had more than a chance. We should have won really.

Can't win with a scrum getting destroyed like that.

Other than that brilliant try. Sarries didn't have to play any rugby

Flametop · Post by **Flametop** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm

Kelleher should be the Ireland hooker.
Made a big difference when he came on.
Baird looked to the manor born.

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm

nardol wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm What does Larmour bring these days?

You can’t have a fullback playing like that. He was targeted mercilessly.

franch fan · Post by **franch fan** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
franch fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm All of that is just dressing though.

You won't win shit with your scrum taking a beating like that.
Leinster scrum is actually pretty good and probably one of the best in the competition.
It's just that Sarries front row is exceptional
Furlong was injured

Leinster and Ireland scrum have been destroyed last year by Sarries and England scrum even with Furlong so not sure it would have changed anything

Jumper · Post by **Jumper** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm

Unlike Munster, Saracens had the power to reap rewards from the boxkicks to Leinster's backthree.

On the bright side, at least it's clear for Cullen where improvements need to be made. Leinster won the Pro14 despite their poor fielding and sepiece due to their power in the pack. Unfortunately, they can't carry those weaknesses against the likes of Saracens.

Flametop · Post by **Flametop** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm

nardol wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm What does Larmour bring these days?

7 points?

paddyor · Post by **paddyor** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm All of that is just dressing though.

You won't win shit with your scrum taking a beating like that.

Yeah. I think they were able to slow more because he was slow but it really goes back to the scrum. It was 9 or 12 points.

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
franch fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm All of that is just dressing though.

You won't win shit with your scrum taking a beating like that.
Leinster scrum is actually pretty good and probably one of the best in the competition.
It's just that Sarries front row is exceptional
Furlong was injured

He's good an all but even he would struggle to stop a guy on the other side of the scrum.

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm

Flametop wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm Kelleher should be the Ireland hooker.
Made a big difference when he came on.
Baird looked to the manor born.

Big questions to be answered as to why they didn’t start. JGP, Kelleher and Baird looked twice the players they replaced

nardol · Post by **nardol** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm

Flametop wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
nardol wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm What does Larmour bring these days?
7 points?

vs 12 conceded

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
franch fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm All of that is just dressing though.

You won't win shit with your scrum taking a beating like that.
Leinster scrum is actually pretty good and probably one of the best in the competition.
It's just that Sarries front row is exceptional
Furlong was injured
He's good an all but even he would struggle to stop a guy on the other side of the scrum.

Try reading what he posted Kid

Flametop · Post by **Flametop** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm

nardol wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Flametop wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
nardol wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm What does Larmour bring these days?
7 points?
vs 12 conceded

Come again?

Nolanator · Post by **Nolanator** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm I honestly dont know sometimes with modern pros though. .

Any metro player could see it. All they needed was one penalty and we consistently played in an area where one slip was goodnight.

Truly brainless

I don't get it either. Force play down the other end in that last 15 minutes. Don't invite pressure on yourself.

nardol · Post by **nardol** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm

Leo and co actually deserve the biggest criticism for the team they presented.

Best team was on the pitch at 60min

And to coach a team to scrum like that.....

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm

franch fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
franch fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm All of that is just dressing though.

You won't win shit with your scrum taking a beating like that.
Leinster scrum is actually pretty good and probably one of the best in the competition.
It's just that Sarries front row is exceptional
Furlong was injured
Leinster and Ireland scrum have been destroyed last year by Sarries and England scrum even with Furlong so not sure it would have changed anything

Some of the penalties were given up by his replacement, he would have helped a bit

Leinsterbloke · Post by **Leinsterbloke** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm

franch fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm
Leinsterbloke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:56 pm Why was McCall not talked about for Irish coach?
I don't think him becoming the Irish coach will make players like Itoje or the Vunipola brothers naturalizing Irish.

But maybe he would coach the players he has to win, like he does at his current job. It's not a new idea to get the best coach in

franch fan · Post by **franch fan** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:07 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Flametop wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm Kelleher should be the Ireland hooker.
Made a big difference when he came on.
Baird looked to the manor born.
Big questions to be answered as to why they didn’t start. JGP, Kelleher and Baird looked twice the players they replaced

Leinster scrum were equally destroyed in second half than during the first half.
It's just that there have been less scrums in second half and especially less scrums with Sarries introducing (even when your scrum is superior, it's obviously harder to get penalties when the other team is introducing)

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:07 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
franch fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm All of that is just dressing though.

You won't win shit with your scrum taking a beating like that.
Leinster scrum is actually pretty good and probably one of the best in the competition.
It's just that Sarries front row is exceptional
Furlong was injured
He's good an all but even he would struggle to stop a guy on the other side of the scrum.
Try reading what he posted Kid

Yeah I did and your reply tells me you know as much about the scrum as you do about Covid

Salanya · Post by **Salanya** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:07 pm

Flametop wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm
nardol wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Flametop wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
nardol wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm What does Larmour bring these days?
7 points?
vs 12 conceded
Come again?

Nardol is talking out of his Irish arse.

CM11 · Post by **CM11** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:08 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
danthefan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:58 pm Didn't see any of the second half, from the score it looks like Leinster at least threw a punch but you can't get f**ked like that in the first half and have a chance of winning. Ah well, better Saracens clearly still better and Leinster with a bit to go
We had more than a chance. We should have won really.
Can't win with a scrum getting destroyed like that.

Other than that brilliant try. Sarries didn't have to play any rugby

And why was there so many scrums? We had opportunities to put that game away but screwed up.

de_Selby · Post by **de_Selby** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:09 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Flametop wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm Kelleher should be the Ireland hooker.
Made a big difference when he came on.
Baird looked to the manor born.
Big questions to be answered as to why they didn’t start. JGP, Kelleher and Baird looked twice the players they replaced

Every one of Kelleher's lineouts went to the front. He's great but obviously not trusted there (with good reason on recent showings)

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:09 pm

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:07 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm
franch fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:00 pm

Leinster scrum is actually pretty good and probably one of the best in the competition.
It's just that Sarries front row is exceptional
Furlong was injured
He's good an all but even he would struggle to stop a guy on the other side of the scrum.
Try reading what he posted Kid
Yeah I did and your reply tells me you know as much about the scrum as you do about Covid

Healy wasn’t the only one getting ponged - did you miss the penalties for being on the knee before the ball was put in? Furlong don’t do that

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:10 pm

Further analysis is useless really.

No team that throughly dicked in the scrum is winning shit. Instead of springing Jack McGrath we brought on Ed Byrne.

Conservative Eddie · Post by **Conservative Eddie** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:11 pm

Leinsterbloke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm
franch fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm
Leinsterbloke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:56 pm Why was McCall not talked about for Irish coach?
I don't think him becoming the Irish coach will make players like Itoje or the Vunipola brothers naturalizing Irish.
But maybe he would coach the players he has to win, like he does at his current job. It's not a new idea to get the best coach in

Actually the most impressive thing about Saracens is the way the entire squad is so well drilled. Even guys that they pick up from championship sides are coached to fit in to their system and deliver. Whether it's McCall or the rest of his staff, they clearly know their stuff.

MunsterMan!!!!! · Post by **MunsterMan!!!!!** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:11 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Flametop wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm Kelleher should be the Ireland hooker.
Made a big difference when he came on.
Baird looked to the manor born.
Big questions to be answered as to why they didn’t start. JGP, Kelleher and Baird looked twice the players they replaced

Kelleher - the lineout had been an issue for the previous few match, leo obviously thought it was down to him.

JGP - not sure, mcgrath probably looked good against munster/ulster sides that are many many levels below sarries, he reverted to type with the pressure they applied.

Baird - he looks good

paddyor · Post by **paddyor** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:12 pm

nardol wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Flametop wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 pm
nardol wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:02 pm What does Larmour bring these days?
7 points?
vs 12 conceded

He plays front row now?

The try seemed to be connors fault but would need to watch back. Also the peno from Henshaw is all on Mcgrath for his allyup pass from the base of the ruck.

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:12 pm

Conservative Eddie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:11 pm
Leinsterbloke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm
franch fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:59 pm
Leinsterbloke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:56 pm Why was McCall not talked about for Irish coach?
I don't think him becoming the Irish coach will make players like Itoje or the Vunipola brothers naturalizing Irish.
But maybe he would coach the players he has to win, like he does at his current job. It's not a new idea to get the best coach in
Actually the most impressive thing about Saracens is the way the entire squad is so well drilled. Even guys that they pick up from championship sides are coached to fit in to their system and deliver. Whether it's McCall or the rest of his staff, they clearly know their stuff.

They are an awesome team. No other team would have lived with Leinster in the second half today.

Irish · Post by **Irish** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:13 pm

JGP has been better than Mc grath for past year

Mc Grath always has a brain fart or two

Baird and Fardy would have been better today from the off. I love healy but he got hammered by Koch last year. And today. But no real option there.

JGP and Marmion - my two first choice for Ireland.

EverReady · Post by **EverReady** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:13 pm

JGP is criminally underrated. It's inexplicable

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:13 pm

We need a 9.

Tell Nucifora to give us Casey.

Only fair like.

MunsterMan!!!!! · Post by **MunsterMan!!!!!** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:14 pm

Are BT trying to change MOM to the "star of the match" ?

Flametop · Post by **Flametop** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:14 pm

Get Cooney home before Ulster ruin him.

iarmhiman · Post by **iarmhiman** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:15 pm

Is Healy close to the end now?

Or is it just Vincent Koch who is unplayable?

RWC2015 · Post by **RWC2015** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:15 pm

Vincent Koch was the difference at the end of the day. Healy has been conspicuously awful in the loose for the past few weeks, and was taken to the cleaners today also. In fairness, three or four of the pens seemed to come from 8 man shoves rather than Koch V Healy?

Leinster did well to get back into it, but horrible to lose to Sarries (again).