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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:31 pm
by Jim Lahey
jezzer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:24 pm This thing of Harry being the anointed one, who needs to be fast tracked regardless into Ireland Test 10 is more wishful thinking than anything.

When he was with the U21s, he was sometimes good sometimes not so much. I saw him first hand at the Junior RWC in France and he was fairly meh, though you could see his promise.

For Leinster in Pro14 games so far he's been generally good. Far fewer flashes of insane talent than legend seems to paint, but -again - signs here and there of an attacking OH with a skillset.

I know everyone wants a new 10 like yesterday, but I don't think it's doing the cause (or H Byrne) much help by building him up as some great white hope at this stage in his career. Say what you like, he hasn't shown near enough and hasn't even played in a big game in blue yet.

I'd be much more in favour of playing sexton for at least another year while we transition in Cooney and another SH out of JGP/Casey/Blade and experiment with playmaking 12 options (Ringrose/Frawley/reprioritised Henshaw) to help take pressure off whoever wins the 10 shirt in 2022/3.

Murray is the real roadblock as of today. He actually has proven talent behind him with a skillset that suits 2021 Ireland team.
There is a fair amount of sense in that.

I don’t profess to have seen too much of H Byrne but he has mixed the excellent with the average any time I have, with a bit more weight on the excellent side. Playing behind a monster Leinster pack manshaming shite Welsh/Italian sides isn’t ideal preparation for playing against the English orcs tbf so I get the idea that he might not be ready, which is why it was beggar’s belief that we wasted the makey-upy-cup in November by not letting him have a crack then.

But my concern is that if management go along with your theory about keeping Sexton in, is that they will be reluctant to phase out Murray given he’s on a big money central contract. Plus there’s no way Farrell is dropping boshers like Henshaw/Aki at 12 for a baller. Neither will happen, although both should happen for at least the purposes of experimentation.

It will be play Sexton and Murray until they both retire/move abroad. Be under no illusions that this won’t be the case. So probably 2024 Six Nations then.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:35 pm
by hermie
jezzer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:24 pm This thing of Harry being the anointed one, who needs to be fast tracked regardless into Ireland Test 10 is more wishful thinking than anything.

When he was with the U21s, he was sometimes good sometimes not so much. I saw him first hand at the Junior RWC in France and he was fairly meh, though you could see his promise.

For Leinster in Pro14 games so far he's been generally good. Far fewer flashes of insane talent than legend seems to paint, but -again - signs here and there of an attacking OH with a skillset.

I know everyone wants a new 10 like yesterday, but I don't think it's doing the cause (or H Byrne) much help by building him up as some great white hope at this stage in his career. Say what you like, he hasn't shown near enough and hasn't even played in a big game in blue yet.

I'd be much more in favour of playing sexton for at least another year while we transition in Cooney and another SH out of JGP/Casey/Blade and experiment with playmaking 12 options (Ringrose/Frawley/reprioritised Henshaw) to help take pressure off whoever wins the 10 shirt in 2022/3.

Murray is the real roadblock as of today. He actually has proven talent behind him with a skillset that suits 2021 Ireland team.
You seem to imply that people are calling for him to be starting 10 for Ireland. I've seen nobody suggest that. Merely that he should be in the squad. I'd disagree with you that he wasn't an outstanding underage player. He was starting OH for the 20s as an u19 and was commanding a season later when winning a GS. The JWC in between he was pretty young and it wasn't a great side. For Leinster he's showed a lot of promise. Not saying he's the 2nd coming but what more would you expect of a young lad? How good was Sexton at his age?

Agreed on Murray but not going to happen. They didn't drop him when he was stinking up the place they're not going to now that he's back in decent form.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:37 pm
by Ulsters Red Hand
jezzer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:24 pm This thing of Harry being the anointed one, who needs to be fast tracked regardless into Ireland Test 10 is more wishful thinking than anything.

When he was with the U21s, he was sometimes good sometimes not so much. I saw him first hand at the Junior RWC in France and he was fairly meh, though you could see his promise.

For Leinster in Pro14 games so far he's been generally good. Far fewer flashes of insane talent than legend seems to paint, but -again - signs here and there of an attacking OH with a skillset.

I know everyone wants a new 10 like yesterday, but I don't think it's doing the cause (or H Byrne) much help by building him up as some great white hope at this stage in his career. Say what you like, he hasn't shown near enough and hasn't even played in a big game in blue yet.

I'd be much more in favour of playing sexton for at least another year while we transition in Cooney and another SH out of JGP/Casey/Blade and experiment with playmaking 12 options (Ringrose/Frawley/reprioritised Henshaw) to help take pressure off whoever wins the 10 shirt in 2022/3.

Murray is the real roadblock as of today. He actually has proven talent behind him with a skillset that suits 2021 Ireland team.
Leinster overhyping a young 10? No, never!

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:55 pm
by CM11
What 10 have we hyped who hasn't double digits in Irish caps?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:01 pm
by Flametop
It’s behind the paywall but this headline and picture...

:roll:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/ ... 3?mode=amp

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:12 pm
by Luckycharmer
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:35 pm
jezzer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:24 pm This thing of Harry being the anointed one, who needs to be fast tracked regardless into Ireland Test 10 is more wishful thinking than anything.

When he was with the U21s, he was sometimes good sometimes not so much. I saw him first hand at the Junior RWC in France and he was fairly meh, though you could see his promise.

For Leinster in Pro14 games so far he's been generally good. Far fewer flashes of insane talent than legend seems to paint, but -again - signs here and there of an attacking OH with a skillset.

I know everyone wants a new 10 like yesterday, but I don't think it's doing the cause (or H Byrne) much help by building him up as some great white hope at this stage in his career. Say what you like, he hasn't shown near enough and hasn't even played in a big game in blue yet.

I'd be much more in favour of playing sexton for at least another year while we transition in Cooney and another SH out of JGP/Casey/Blade and experiment with playmaking 12 options (Ringrose/Frawley/reprioritised Henshaw) to help take pressure off whoever wins the 10 shirt in 2022/3.

Murray is the real roadblock as of today. He actually has proven talent behind him with a skillset that suits 2021 Ireland team.
You seem to imply that people are calling for him to be starting 10 for Ireland. I've seen nobody suggest that. Merely that he should be in the squad. I'd disagree with you that he wasn't an outstanding underage player. He was starting OH for the 20s as an u19 and was commanding a season later when winning a GS. The JWC in between he was pretty young and it wasn't a great side. For Leinster he's showed a lot of promise. Not saying he's the 2nd coming but what more would you expect of a young lad? How good was Sexton at his age?

Agreed on Murray but not going to happen. They didn't drop him when he was stinking up the place they're not going to now that he's back in decent form.
Sexton wasn't a starter for the under 20s and late enough joining Leinster, he was playing AIL for Marys at 18.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:21 pm
by DOB
CM11 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:55 pm What 10 have we hyped who hasn't double digits in Irish caps?
It’s a disgrace how the selectors treated Alan McGowan.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:25 pm
by Gavin Duffy
Flametop wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:01 pm It’s behind the paywall but this headline and picture...

:roll:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/ ... 3?mode=amp
Can somebody through this article up[?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:36 pm
by hermie
Gavin Duffy wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:25 pm
Flametop wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:01 pm It’s behind the paywall but this headline and picture...

:roll:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/ ... 3?mode=amp
Can somebody through this article up[?
Don't have an account but read the paper this morning. He basically says that the IRFU don't have a lot of outstanding debt and should not be afraid of taking a bit on to pay the players what they're worth. He reckons we could get a jump on other unions this way. Also predicted that Furlong and CJ would be able to command the most wages but those a little older will be asked to take large enough pay cuts.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:38 pm
by Luckycharmer
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:36 pm
Gavin Duffy wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:25 pm
Flametop wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:01 pm It’s behind the paywall but this headline and picture...

:roll:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/ ... 3?mode=amp
Can somebody through this article up[?
Don't have an account but read the paper this morning. He basically says that the IRFU don't have a lot of outstanding debt and should not be afraid of taking a bit on to pay the players what they're worth. He reckons we could get a jump on other unions this way. Also predicted that Furlong and CJ would be able to command the most wages but those a little older will be asked to take large enough pay cuts.
Furlong definetly CJ not as much, good consistent player but could argue could be overtaken by others alot sooner than Furlong.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:39 pm
by Gavin Duffy
Is furlong still crocked?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:51 pm
by lorcanoworms
Gavin Duffy wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:39 pm Is furlong still crocked?
Very nearly ready.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:05 pm
by hermie
Luckycharmer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:38 pm
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:36 pm
Gavin Duffy wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:25 pm
Flametop wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:01 pm It’s behind the paywall but this headline and picture...

:roll:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/ ... 3?mode=amp
Can somebody through this article up[?
Don't have an account but read the paper this morning. He basically says that the IRFU don't have a lot of outstanding debt and should not be afraid of taking a bit on to pay the players what they're worth. He reckons we could get a jump on other unions this way. Also predicted that Furlong and CJ would be able to command the most wages but those a little older will be asked to take large enough pay cuts.
Furlong definetly CJ not as much, good consistent player but could argue could be overtaken by others alot sooner than Furlong.
He made the point, not unreasonably, that CJ is particularly durable. A bit of a Heaslip in that regard nearly

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:13 pm
by feckwanker
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:05 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:38 pm
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:36 pm
Gavin Duffy wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:25 pm
Flametop wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:01 pm It’s behind the paywall but this headline and picture...

:roll:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/ ... 3?mode=amp
Can somebody through this article up[?
Don't have an account but read the paper this morning. He basically says that the IRFU don't have a lot of outstanding debt and should not be afraid of taking a bit on to pay the players what they're worth. He reckons we could get a jump on other unions this way. Also predicted that Furlong and CJ would be able to command the most wages but those a little older will be asked to take large enough pay cuts.
Furlong definetly CJ not as much, good consistent player but could argue could be overtaken by others alot sooner than Furlong.
He made the point, not unreasonably, that CJ is particularly durable. A bit of a Heaslip in that regard nearly
And ironically Furlong appears not to be.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:18 pm
by CM11
Luckycharmer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:12 pm
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:35 pm
jezzer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:24 pm This thing of Harry being the anointed one, who needs to be fast tracked regardless into Ireland Test 10 is more wishful thinking than anything.

When he was with the U21s, he was sometimes good sometimes not so much. I saw him first hand at the Junior RWC in France and he was fairly meh, though you could see his promise.

For Leinster in Pro14 games so far he's been generally good. Far fewer flashes of insane talent than legend seems to paint, but -again - signs here and there of an attacking OH with a skillset.

I know everyone wants a new 10 like yesterday, but I don't think it's doing the cause (or H Byrne) much help by building him up as some great white hope at this stage in his career. Say what you like, he hasn't shown near enough and hasn't even played in a big game in blue yet.

I'd be much more in favour of playing sexton for at least another year while we transition in Cooney and another SH out of JGP/Casey/Blade and experiment with playmaking 12 options (Ringrose/Frawley/reprioritised Henshaw) to help take pressure off whoever wins the 10 shirt in 2022/3.

Murray is the real roadblock as of today. He actually has proven talent behind him with a skillset that suits 2021 Ireland team.
You seem to imply that people are calling for him to be starting 10 for Ireland. I've seen nobody suggest that. Merely that he should be in the squad. I'd disagree with you that he wasn't an outstanding underage player. He was starting OH for the 20s as an u19 and was commanding a season later when winning a GS. The JWC in between he was pretty young and it wasn't a great side. For Leinster he's showed a lot of promise. Not saying he's the 2nd coming but what more would you expect of a young lad? How good was Sexton at his age?

Agreed on Murray but not going to happen. They didn't drop him when he was stinking up the place they're not going to now that he's back in decent form.
Sexton wasn't a starter for the under 20s and late enough joining Leinster, he was playing AIL for Marys at 18.
Sexton did start for the u21s although can't remember how many and if he was first choice for those games.

He didn't want to join the academy as he didn't want them dictating his gametime for Mary's as opposed to Leinster not wanting him. He was probably one of the last internationals to take the AIL seriously, if only briefly.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:22 pm
by hermie
feckwanker wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:13 pm
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:05 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:38 pm
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:36 pm
Gavin Duffy wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:25 pm

Can somebody through this article up[?
Don't have an account but read the paper this morning. He basically says that the IRFU don't have a lot of outstanding debt and should not be afraid of taking a bit on to pay the players what they're worth. He reckons we could get a jump on other unions this way. Also predicted that Furlong and CJ would be able to command the most wages but those a little older will be asked to take large enough pay cuts.
Furlong definetly CJ not as much, good consistent player but could argue could be overtaken by others alot sooner than Furlong.
He made the point, not unreasonably, that CJ is particularly durable. A bit of a Heaslip in that regard nearly
And ironically Furlong appears not to be.
Yeah, well hopefully all ends well with that. But he is certainly of an age and profile where he could demand high wages abroad, even if there were clauses around his fitness. He'll be pricey enough to hold onto.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:22 pm
by Floppykid
D.AC is back. x(

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:28 pm
by earl the beaver
A welsh fan that actually gives a shit about one of the regions is welcome

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:21 pm
by Gavin Duffy
earl the beaver wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:28 pm A welsh fan that actually gives a shit about one of the regions is welcome
Wash your mouth out!

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:34 pm
by earl the beaver
DAC is a lunatic but we've got loads of those here. I view him a nice counterfoil to Cammy.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:36 pm
by Luckycharmer
CM11 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:18 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:12 pm
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:35 pm
jezzer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:24 pm This thing of Harry being the anointed one, who needs to be fast tracked regardless into Ireland Test 10 is more wishful thinking than anything.

When he was with the U21s, he was sometimes good sometimes not so much. I saw him first hand at the Junior RWC in France and he was fairly meh, though you could see his promise.

For Leinster in Pro14 games so far he's been generally good. Far fewer flashes of insane talent than legend seems to paint, but -again - signs here and there of an attacking OH with a skillset.

I know everyone wants a new 10 like yesterday, but I don't think it's doing the cause (or H Byrne) much help by building him up as some great white hope at this stage in his career. Say what you like, he hasn't shown near enough and hasn't even played in a big game in blue yet.

I'd be much more in favour of playing sexton for at least another year while we transition in Cooney and another SH out of JGP/Casey/Blade and experiment with playmaking 12 options (Ringrose/Frawley/reprioritised Henshaw) to help take pressure off whoever wins the 10 shirt in 2022/3.

Murray is the real roadblock as of today. He actually has proven talent behind him with a skillset that suits 2021 Ireland team.
You seem to imply that people are calling for him to be starting 10 for Ireland. I've seen nobody suggest that. Merely that he should be in the squad. I'd disagree with you that he wasn't an outstanding underage player. He was starting OH for the 20s as an u19 and was commanding a season later when winning a GS. The JWC in between he was pretty young and it wasn't a great side. For Leinster he's showed a lot of promise. Not saying he's the 2nd coming but what more would you expect of a young lad? How good was Sexton at his age?

Agreed on Murray but not going to happen. They didn't drop him when he was stinking up the place they're not going to now that he's back in decent form.
Sexton wasn't a starter for the under 20s and late enough joining Leinster, he was playing AIL for Marys at 18.
Sexton did start for the u21s although can't remember how many and if he was first choice for those games.

He didn't want to join the academy as he didn't want them dictating his gametime for Mary's as opposed to Leinster not wanting him. He was probably one of the last internationals to take the AIL seriously, if only briefly.
Don't think he was a certain starter for under 21s can't remember who he was up against.
AIL was much bigger than now and know he learnt alot playing in it. As an 18 year old remember him playing Ballynahinch and Andy Ward just targeted him all game but it gave it back just as good as he got it.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:42 pm
by Luckycharmer
Sexton was actually behind Kieran Hallet (never heard of him) at the 2006 under 21 RWC who ironically is back working for leinster as a developement office and was the womens defence coach.

https://www.the42.ie/kieran-hallett-ire ... 9-Feb2020/

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:22 pm
by jezzer
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:35 pm
jezzer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:24 pm This thing of Harry being the anointed one, who needs to be fast tracked regardless into Ireland Test 10 is more wishful thinking than anything.

When he was with the U21s, he was sometimes good sometimes not so much. I saw him first hand at the Junior RWC in France and he was fairly meh, though you could see his promise.

For Leinster in Pro14 games so far he's been generally good. Far fewer flashes of insane talent than legend seems to paint, but -again - signs here and there of an attacking OH with a skillset.

I know everyone wants a new 10 like yesterday, but I don't think it's doing the cause (or H Byrne) much help by building him up as some great white hope at this stage in his career. Say what you like, he hasn't shown near enough and hasn't even played in a big game in blue yet.

I'd be much more in favour of playing sexton for at least another year while we transition in Cooney and another SH out of JGP/Casey/Blade and experiment with playmaking 12 options (Ringrose/Frawley/reprioritised Henshaw) to help take pressure off whoever wins the 10 shirt in 2022/3.

Murray is the real roadblock as of today. He actually has proven talent behind him with a skillset that suits 2021 Ireland team.
You seem to imply that people are calling for him to be starting 10 for Ireland. I've seen nobody suggest that. Merely that he should be in the squad. I'd disagree with you that he wasn't an outstanding underage player. He was starting OH for the 20s as an u19 and was commanding a season later when winning a GS. The JWC in between he was pretty young and it wasn't a great side. For Leinster he's showed a lot of promise. Not saying he's the 2nd coming but what more would you expect of a young lad? How good was Sexton at his age?

Agreed on Murray but not going to happen. They didn't drop him when he was stinking up the place they're not going to now that he's back in decent form.
But it's Murray that's killing us. It doesn't matter that he's upped his game (which he has), his style is compounding all the other issues we have in the squad. And with Murray we have alternatives that don't do that. With Sexton, there's nobody realistic in the short term, so no point in forcing it. And playing a SH with a break who knows how to set plays up several phases ahead and brings tempo and dynamism to the forwards and backs will help hide a declining Sexton who's being asked to take it flat with 4 defenders arrowing for him and work some kind of magic.

Drop Harry Byrne into the mess and you'll get nothing beneficial for him or Ireland. Look at Ross - he wasn't having any of it, was so deep he practically played second-full-back.

To fix the OH problem you first have to fix the SH problem and that's play Cooney in the ST and one of the others down the line.

Leave Harry to figure it out in blue for a while more.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:26 pm
by camroc1
earl the beaver wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:34 pm DAC is a lunatic but we've got loads of those here. I view him a nice counterfoil to Cammy.
Ooooh,...why I aughter......!

I view him as a right wing Brit supporter of the DUP.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:31 pm
by jezzer
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:22 pm
feckwanker wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:13 pm
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:05 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:38 pm
hermie wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:36 pm
Don't have an account but read the paper this morning. He basically says that the IRFU don't have a lot of outstanding debt and should not be afraid of taking a bit on to pay the players what they're worth. He reckons we could get a jump on other unions this way. Also predicted that Furlong and CJ would be able to command the most wages but those a little older will be asked to take large enough pay cuts.
Furlong definetly CJ not as much, good consistent player but could argue could be overtaken by others alot sooner than Furlong.
He made the point, not unreasonably, that CJ is particularly durable. A bit of a Heaslip in that regard nearly
And ironically Furlong appears not to be.
Yeah, well hopefully all ends well with that. But he is certainly of an age and profile where he could demand high wages abroad, even if there were clauses around his fitness. He'll be pricey enough to hold onto.
I think the Lions tour focked him up. Too much rugby without a break. Even in the GS season 2018, there were times he looked banjaxed and didn't have the same power he had the year before.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:41 pm
by Ulsters Red Hand
camroc1 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:26 pm
earl the beaver wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:34 pm DAC is a lunatic but we've got loads of those here. I view him a nice counterfoil to Cammy.
Ooooh,...why I aughter......!

I hate him
Fixed

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:42 pm
by Leinsterman
So how does D'Arcy think the IRFU will be able to borrow money and against what assets?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:31 pm
by Bogbunny
DAC is fine and actually has supported the Dargons when they played in Ireland.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:32 pm
by anonymous_joe
Remember that weird time when the Dragons were good? What was with that?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:38 am
by irishrugbyua
Neil Francis on academy changes
The whole academy system is now being reviewed and it will be streamlined – significantly.

Peter Malone is no longer the director of the Munster Academy and Peter Smyth, the head of elite player development, is currently seconded to the Munster Academy. Nobody knows how long he'll be there or what the next step will be.

The plan currently being proposed is for a national academy based, say, in Athlone or even Blanchardstown. All the provincial academies would be discontinued and all the talent would be schooled in the national academy.

At the end of the season the talent would be farmed out.

If Munster need a prop or Ulster need a centre they are picked out of the national academy, irrespective of where they live or were brought up or whether they always dreamed of playing in blue, red etc.

Some of the provinces have had slim pickings from their academies in recent years – others (like Leinster) have been spectacularly successful in sustained excellence in the quality of players that they have produced.

Go through the Leinster team when it is announced on Friday and see how many in the squad are academy graduates.

This, in theory, is an efficient way of distributing talent throughout the four provinces – but it will do serious damage to Leinster who have already provided too much talent for everyone else.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:55 am
by Willie Falloon
That is surely bullshit :?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:14 am
by Mullet 2
We had that system before and abandoned it. A simply terrible idea.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:36 am
by Duff Paddy
Great idea - a bit like the draft system in the states. It would need to be attached to a university though.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:39 am
by Duff Paddy
:nod:
Leinsterman wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:42 pm So how does D'Arcy think the IRFU will be able to borrow money and against what assets?
Borrowing money to pay the likes of De Allende :thumbdown:

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:46 am
by Mr. Very Popular
irishrugbyua wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:38 am Neil Francis on academy changes
The whole academy system is now being reviewed and it will be streamlined – significantly.

Peter Malone is no longer the director of the Munster Academy and Peter Smyth, the head of elite player development, is currently seconded to the Munster Academy. Nobody knows how long he'll be there or what the next step will be.

The plan currently being proposed is for a national academy based, say, in Athlone or even Blanchardstown. All the provincial academies would be discontinued and all the talent would be schooled in the national academy.

At the end of the season the talent would be farmed out.

If Munster need a prop or Ulster need a centre they are picked out of the national academy, irrespective of where they live or were brought up or whether they always dreamed of playing in blue, red etc.

Some of the provinces have had slim pickings from their academies in recent years – others (like Leinster) have been spectacularly successful in sustained excellence in the quality of players that they have produced.

Go through the Leinster team when it is announced on Friday and see how many in the squad are academy graduates.

This, in theory, is an efficient way of distributing talent throughout the four provinces – but it will do serious damage to Leinster who have already provided too much talent for everyone else.
Load of bollox.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:46 am
by Mr. Very Popular
Duff Paddy wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:39 am :nod:
Leinsterman wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:42 pm So how does D'Arcy think the IRFU will be able to borrow money and against what assets?
Borrowing money to pay the likes of De Allende :thumbdown:
:thumbup: :smug:

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:48 am
by jezzer
irishrugbyua wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:38 am Neil Francis on academy changes
The whole academy system is now being reviewed and it will be streamlined – significantly.

Peter Malone is no longer the director of the Munster Academy and Peter Smyth, the head of elite player development, is currently seconded to the Munster Academy. Nobody knows how long he'll be there or what the next step will be.

The plan currently being proposed is for a national academy based, say, in Athlone or even Blanchardstown. All the provincial academies would be discontinued and all the talent would be schooled in the national academy.

At the end of the season the talent would be farmed out.

If Munster need a prop or Ulster need a centre they are picked out of the national academy, irrespective of where they live or were brought up or whether they always dreamed of playing in blue, red etc.

Some of the provinces have had slim pickings from their academies in recent years – others (like Leinster) have been spectacularly successful in sustained excellence in the quality of players that they have produced.

Go through the Leinster team when it is announced on Friday and see how many in the squad are academy graduates.

This, in theory, is an efficient way of distributing talent throughout the four provinces – but it will do serious damage to Leinster who have already provided too much talent for everyone else.
Dear god.

Hopefully a kite being flown to gauge reaction while financial impact of Covid is a hot topic.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:54 am
by DOB
Leinsterman wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:42 pm So how does D'Arcy think the IRFU will be able to borrow money and against what assets?
Welsh tv money futures.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:57 am
by CM11
Looks like the IRFU aren't wasting a good crisis and bringing this in when Leinster are weakest.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:57 am
by irishrugbyua
Garry Ringrose has been named the Guinness Rugby Writers of Ireland Men’s Player of The Year in recognition of excellent form throughout the 2019-20 season, thus completing a clean sweep after winning both the Irish and Leinster Players’ Player of the Year awards.