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Has Ireland's 31 World Cup bid been done? Shared with the UK

Ulsters Red Hand wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:24 pm Has Ireland's 31 World Cup bid been done? Shared with the UK

Nope, the court is yours

Conspicuous wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:29 pm

Ulsters Red Hand wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:24 pm Has Ireland's 31 World Cup bid been done? Shared with the UK

Nope, the court is yours

Not much more to say, taken from the Irish Times. Four nations are discussing a shared bid for 2031 since the bidding process opened recently

I’ve hear the IRFU will only back it if Murray and Sexton are still getting picked to start.

EverReady wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:28 pm

Ulsters Red Hand wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:24 pm Has Ireland's 31 World Cup bid been done? Shared with the UK

By then Winnie will be in my attic

Bad news mate, he already is.

Conspicuous wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:21 pm It’s 3 games , regardless of how you choose to spin it .

I know. It's not an emergency. But it's something that is going to be repeated again and again during the 2023 6N, if we don't win this year.

Obviously I would hope this year's team are focused on the game at hand on the day, and not stupid comparisons with Wayne Barnes and the offside law as enforced in 2015 or whatever cost us any of those other games.

HighKingLeinster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:48 pm

danthefan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:45 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:43 pm Harry Byrne is getting a lot of hype.

Seems to have caught some attention outside of just Ireland.

Would be great if he got a cap before the end of the tournament. May as well give him a lash then persist with plodders like his brother or billy burns

His running style and ability to get right up in the line is night and day to his brother.
Granted Harry hasn't been tested too much yet.

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

No.

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

Don't think so, but an interesting thought,

Would it be worth it for Paddy himself?
His life may just be finally returning to a degree of normalcy, would he consider it worth it re-starting that shitshow? I don't know if I would.

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

We've fallen into this "he's playing great in England" trap before (Murphy, G; O'Connor, J) and it's never worked out well. Basically, 1, he'd have to come back to Ulster and 2, it's not clear if he'll ever be allowed back to Ulster.

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

Can't see it, unfortunately.

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

It's shite English rugby.

By how much, do you reckon, Leinster with Ross Byrne at 10, would beat LI by ? 15 - 20 points ?

camroc1 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:48 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

It's shite English rugby.

By how much, do you reckon, Leinster with Ross Byrne at 10, would beat LI by ? 15 - 20 points ?

More.

The premiership is laughably overrated by BT, watched some of Bath against Bristol.

Exeter are quality though.

Floppykid wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

Don't think so, but an interesting thought,

Would it be worth it for Paddy himself?
His life may just be finally returning to a degree of normalcy, would he consider it worth it re-starting that shitshow? I don't know if I would.

Normality you prick

Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:52 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

Don't think so, but an interesting thought,

Would it be worth it for Paddy himself?
His life may just be finally returning to a degree of normalcy, would he consider it worth it re-starting that shitshow? I don't know if I would.

Normality you prick

Ordinariness*

Jackson is and always has been a great player. No chance he'll play for Ireland again though.

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:49 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:48 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

It's shite English rugby.

By how much, do you reckon, Leinster with Ross Byrne at 10, would beat LI by ? 15 - 20 points ?

More.

The premiership is laughably overrated by BT, watched some of Bath against Bristol.

Exeter are quality though.

That's awful logic

Presumably Leinster with Ross Byrne would beat Leicester with George Ford too, who's probably the best 10 in Europe for my money, and the Lions test starter. Does that make Byrne better?

Whoooooooosh.

The old "I'll pretend I wasn't being serious" gambit, I like it

Ulsters Red Hand wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:38 pm

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:49 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:48 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

It's shite English rugby.

By how much, do you reckon, Leinster with Ross Byrne at 10, would beat LI by ? 15 - 20 points ?

More.

The premiership is laughably overrated by BT, watched some of Bath against Bristol.

Exeter are quality though.

That's awful logic

Presumably Leinster with Ross Byrne would beat Leicester with George Ford too, who's probably the best 10 in Europe for my money, and the Lions test starter. Does that make Byrne better?

What?

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:52 pm

DOB wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:46 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

We've fallen into this "he's playing great in England" trap before (Murphy, G; O'Connor, J) and it's never worked out well. Basically, 1, he'd have to come back to Ulster and 2, it's not clear if he'll ever be allowed back to Ulster.

There may be a bit of that but tbh, he has been class this season.
That said a 19 year old Welsh kid looked the dogs bollocks for Bristol at 10 at the weekend and he can't make the Wales squad.

I suspect Jackson is too toxic and the IRFU would not want the adverse publicity

Far too toxic
The IRFU much prefer to throw their lot in with the guys behind Grenfell

Ulsters Red Hand wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:42 pm The old "I'll pretend I wasn't being serious" gambit, I like it

More the Jackson looking an absolute world beater in the English league shouldn't be a surprise given its weakness.

camroc1 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:03 pm

Ulsters Red Hand wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:42 pm The old "I'll pretend I wasn't being serious" gambit, I like it

More the Jackson looking an absolute world beater in the English league shouldn't be a surprise given its weakness.

Jackson did look really good but Bryan Byrne is probably more of a loss.

Would Byrne have improved his throwing in Ireland? Nope.

Winnie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:02 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:52 pm

DOB wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:46 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

We've fallen into this "he's playing great in England" trap before (Murphy, G; O'Connor, J) and it's never worked out well. Basically, 1, he'd have to come back to Ulster and 2, it's not clear if he'll ever be allowed back to Ulster.

There may be a bit of that but tbh, he has been class this season.
That said a 19 year old Welsh kid looked the dogs bollocks for Bristol at 10 at the weekend and he can't make the Wales squad.

I suspect Jackson is too toxic and the IRFU would not want the adverse publicity

Far too toxic
The IRFU much prefer to throw their lot in with the guys behind Grenfell

That was the IRFU's doing, was it?

Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:16 pm

Winnie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:02 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:52 pm

DOB wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:46 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:42 pm Big push on BT Sport for Paddy Jackson to be included in the Irish squad.
He has had a great season and as Ugo points out he is the best Irish team by form this season.
Is there any way back?

We've fallen into this "he's playing great in England" trap before (Murphy, G; O'Connor, J) and it's never worked out well. Basically, 1, he'd have to come back to Ulster and 2, it's not clear if he'll ever be allowed back to Ulster.

There may be a bit of that but tbh, he has been class this season.
That said a 19 year old Welsh kid looked the dogs bollocks for Bristol at 10 at the weekend and he can't make the Wales squad.

I suspect Jackson is too toxic and the IRFU would not want the adverse publicity

Far too toxic
The IRFU much prefer to throw their lot in with the guys behind Grenfell

That was the IRFU's doing, was it?

Well they were quick to rip up contracts of others

I see everyone has been working on their positivity.

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:24 pm I see everyone has been working on their positivity.

I’ve been using you quote
I’m behind your campaign all the way

camroc1 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:03 pm

Ulsters Red Hand wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:42 pm The old "I'll pretend I wasn't being serious" gambit, I like it

More the Jackson looking an absolute world beater in the English league shouldn't be a surprise given its weakness.

Doesn't mean you can discredit his performances. Lots of top players may look world beaters in that league, probably because they are very good

What cünt brought up Jackson?

Ulsters Red Hand wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:46 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:03 pm

Ulsters Red Hand wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:42 pm The old "I'll pretend I wasn't being serious" gambit, I like it

More the Jackson looking an absolute world beater in the English league shouldn't be a surprise given its weakness.

Doesn't mean you can discredit his performances. Lots of top players may look world beaters in that league, probably because they are very good

It's not discrediting his LI performances to say that those performances, on their own, should not be taken as evidence that he is Ireland's best form 10. We'd be saying the same if the English press was calling B Byrne or Zebo the best in their position in Europe. We've said the same in the past when Geordan Murphy was the bees knees for Tiggers. Eoin Reddan won the Heineken Cup with Wasps, but had to move to Leinster to get a shot for Ireland.

When was Jackson's last game for Ulster? Did he (or Olding) play at all in the 2017/18 season after charges were brought?

Mr. Very Popular wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:04 am What cünt brought up Jackson?

The Welsh.

Mr. Very Popular wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:04 am What cünt brought up Jackson?

Agent provocateur

redderneck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:33 pm

paddyor wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:44 pm MacCarthy back to Leinster? Bit of a disaster for the ""we need to spread the Leinster talent around" agenda you'd have to say. It's hugely underaprreciated how much of the risk is on the player

Leaving aside the inevitable Cooney is the real disaster which has already been knee-jerked I see, steady on a bit with the hyperbole. Where Nick MacCarthy plays his rugby, or not, is not in any shape manner or form, a disaster. Accept fully the nature of your argument and the last point especially (personal risk). But can we tone shit down or we've nowhere left to go with the melodrama!!!

I don't mean Ireland chances, I mean just a career. It's not hyperbole, it's a just a fact of life. Not everyone who moved/moves will find it works for them and this is another reminder of that in the face of what seems boundless optimism in the media about that project. More than 1 reason it didn't work for MacCarthy or was doomed to failure. The big reason I suppose is Casey(who just made an Ireland squad).

paddyor wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:18 am

redderneck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:33 pm

paddyor wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:44 pm MacCarthy back to Leinster? Bit of a disaster for the ""we need to spread the Leinster talent around" agenda you'd have to say. It's hugely underaprreciated how much of the risk is on the player

Leaving aside the inevitable Cooney is the real disaster which has already been knee-jerked I see, steady on a bit with the hyperbole. Where Nick MacCarthy plays his rugby, or not, is not in any shape manner or form, a disaster. Accept fully the nature of your argument and the last point especially (personal risk). But can we tone shit down or we've nowhere left to go with the melodrama!!!

I don't mean Ireland chances, I mean just a career. It's not hyperbole, it's a just a fact of life. Not everyone who moved/moves will find it works for them and this is another reminder of that in the face of what seems boundless optimism in the media about that project. More than 1 reason it didn't work for MacCarthy or was doomed to failure. The big reason I suppose is Casey(who just made an Ireland squad).

Someone already said above that at least part of McCarthy's move was for study reasons.

He left Leinster as, at best, 3rd choice 9. He's currently, at best, 3rd choice at Munster. When he gets back to Leinster, he'll be 3rd choice, at best. He's relying on people ahead of him getting injuries/Ireland caps to get games himself, and it'd be no different if he went to Ulster or Connacht. His move doesn't say any more about "spreading the talent around" than James Tracy getting 100 caps for Leinster does.

DOB wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:34 am

paddyor wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:18 am

redderneck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:33 pm

paddyor wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:44 pm MacCarthy back to Leinster? Bit of a disaster for the ""we need to spread the Leinster talent around" agenda you'd have to say. It's hugely underaprreciated how much of the risk is on the player

Leaving aside the inevitable Cooney is the real disaster which has already been knee-jerked I see, steady on a bit with the hyperbole. Where Nick MacCarthy plays his rugby, or not, is not in any shape manner or form, a disaster. Accept fully the nature of your argument and the last point especially (personal risk). But can we tone shit down or we've nowhere left to go with the melodrama!!!

I don't mean Ireland chances, I mean just a career. It's not hyperbole, it's a just a fact of life. Not everyone who moved/moves will find it works for them and this is another reminder of that in the face of what seems boundless optimism in the media about that project. More than 1 reason it didn't work for MacCarthy or was doomed to failure. The big reason I suppose is Casey(who just made an Ireland squad).

Someone already said above that at least part of McCarthy's move was for study reasons.

He left Leinster as, at best, 3rd choice 9. He's currently, at best, 3rd choice at Munster. When he gets back to Leinster, he'll be 3rd choice, at best. He's relying on people ahead of him getting injuries/Ireland caps to get games himself, and it'd be no different if he went to Ulster or Connacht. His move doesn't say any more about "spreading the talent around" than James Tracy getting 100 caps for Leinster does.

Exactly. His prospects haven't improved at all after the move. So he'd have been as well staying put.

paddyor wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:34 am Exactly. His prospects haven't improved at all after the move. So he'd have been as well staying put.

But a) it wasn't just for rugby reasons and b) he might as well have had a go.

It hasn't actively hurt his career, so what's the problem?

paddyor wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:34 am

DOB wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:34 am

paddyor wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:18 am

redderneck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:33 pm

paddyor wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:44 pm MacCarthy back to Leinster? Bit of a disaster for the ""we need to spread the Leinster talent around" agenda you'd have to say. It's hugely underaprreciated how much of the risk is on the player

Leaving aside the inevitable Cooney is the real disaster which has already been knee-jerked I see, steady on a bit with the hyperbole. Where Nick MacCarthy plays his rugby, or not, is not in any shape manner or form, a disaster. Accept fully the nature of your argument and the last point especially (personal risk). But can we tone shit down or we've nowhere left to go with the melodrama!!!

I don't mean Ireland chances, I mean just a career. It's not hyperbole, it's a just a fact of life. Not everyone who moved/moves will find it works for them and this is another reminder of that in the face of what seems boundless optimism in the media about that project. More than 1 reason it didn't work for MacCarthy or was doomed to failure. The big reason I suppose is Casey(who just made an Ireland squad).

Someone already said above that at least part of McCarthy's move was for study reasons.

He left Leinster as, at best, 3rd choice 9. He's currently, at best, 3rd choice at Munster. When he gets back to Leinster, he'll be 3rd choice, at best. He's relying on people ahead of him getting injuries/Ireland caps to get games himself, and it'd be no different if he went to Ulster or Connacht. His move doesn't say any more about "spreading the talent around" than James Tracy getting 100 caps for Leinster does.

Exactly. His prospects haven't improved at all after the move. So he'd have been as well staying put.

I’d just like to know what your solution is to the excess of supply over demand at Leinster ? Obviously every player coming through the academy can’t stay long term given current volume. I’m sure even Nucifora knows that every player transfer won’t go perfectly so it’s hardly a “disaster” that McCarthy didn’t break into the matchday squad . It’s not even a good example of the system failing if that’s what you’re trying to do because he was partly down there for academic reasons, and no further down the pecking order than he would have been at Leinster

Possible leinster backline for next game away to Dragons?

9. Luke Mc
10. Harry Byrne
11. Dave Kearney
12. Ciaran Frawley
13. David Hawkshaw
14. Cian Kelleher
15. Jamie Osborne