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Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:39 pm**

Should be said that the “untouchable” ethos probably isn’t helped when you have lads like Heaslip on co-comms not willing to say a bad word about Sexton

How bad does it need to get until we see it?

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:40 pm**

TheBouncer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:33 pm I'm fine with Murray starting, JGP bench. He was exactly what was needed for that last 20.

His passing hit more open spaces than the Wicklow mountains

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:41 pm**

We would have slammed it apart from POM.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:41 pm**

has anyone seen furlong out sprinting lowe to tackle rees zammit? for the welsh try?

lowe was covering the man on the outside and furlong the man on the inside but it was furling making the tackle.... jesus

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:41 pm**

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:37 pm
iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:36 pm Lads Harry won't be brought in. They're not going to rush him
Look who is starting for France next weekend

Who’s probably been first choice for Bordeaux for 3 seasons. All for getting young Byrne in but you cannot compare the 2

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:42 pm**

ZuLu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:37 pm
iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:36 pm Lads Harry won't be brought in. They're not going to rush him
Yep, we don't have the balls for that.

Nope, they'll use POM being out as an excuse to keep all the 'experienced' heads in.

Even all the pundits are in on the game, singing Sexton's praises without any criticism.

Yes, it's up to the other 10s in the country to outplay Sexton, but they need a bloody chance to do so. With Sexton playing as he is, and knowing that Burns and Ross aren't the answer, we need to get bolder with selections.

We won't though.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:42 pm**

It's not enough but Sexton is still incredible in defence. He's not a completely empty jersey but yeah, he's a problem.

I think you could ruin Harry if you put him into the current Irish team though. Not firing enough and he could end up getting a confidence knock. Really need to have him playing more for Leinster.

Is Carty playing shite or what?

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:43 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:39 pm
TheBouncer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:37 pm
camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:32 pm Keenan
Lowe
Ringrose
Henshaw
Larmour
H Byrne
G-P/Cooney/McGrath
Healy
Herring
Furlong
Ryan
Henderson
Beirne
VdF
Stander/Ruddock

On what planet are you dropping Porter
It's hardly left field to suggest it but I think Porter did enough to fight off Furlong for another week.

It's insane to suggest Furlong is now fit enough to start a test game of rugby let alone displace a standout performer.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:45 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:42 pm It's not enough but Sexton is still incredible in defence. He's not a completely empty jersey but yeah, he's a problem.

I think you could ruin Harry if you put him into the current Irish team though. Not firing enough and he could end up getting a confidence knock. Really need to have him playing more for Leinster.

Is Carty playing shite or what?

Too many mistakes.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:46 pm**

What is this confidence knock shit.

It's so Irish. Lads is fúcking baller. Maybe lads maybe it goes well?!? That Redpath lad is a year younger ffs

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:46 pm**

f**king Cammy dropping Porter, our best forward.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:47 pm**

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:46 pm What is this confidence knock shit.

It's so Irish. Lads is fúcking baller. Maybe lads maybe it goes well?!? That Redpath lad is a year younger ffs

Ntamack and Jailbait are grizzled veterans sure.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:47 pm**

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:46 pm What is this confidence knock shit.

It's so Irish. Lads is fúcking baller. Maybe lads maybe it goes well?!? That Redpath lad is a year younger ffs

It's built into the Irish mentality. Confidence knock

fudge me. We deserve nothing

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:48 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:42 pm It's not enough but Sexton is still incredible in defence. He's not a completely empty jersey but yeah, he's a problem.

I think you could ruin Harry if you put him into the current Irish team though. Not firing enough and he could end up getting a confidence knock. Really need to have him playing more for Leinster.

Is Carty playing shite or what?

Carty’s been in very good form. But sometimes your face doesn’t fit. Still being scapegoated for the World Cup and the Japan loss despite creating the 2 tries, and when Rome was burning in the second half, not one experienced player stood up. But let’s blame it on the new fly half.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:48 pm**

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:32 pm Keenan
Lowe
Ringrose
Henshaw
Larmour
H Byrne
G-P/Cooney/McGrath
Healy
Herring
Furlong
Ryan
Henderson
Beirne
VdF
Stander/Ruddock

JGP? You lunatic.
And Ruddock is not an 8.
taking the form 2nd row and shifting him to 6????

Healy
Herring
Porter
Beirne
Hendo
Ruddock
Connors
Stander
Murray
Sexton ( would like to see H Byrne there )

Conway
Henshaw
Ringrose
Larmour
Keenan.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:50 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:42 pm It's not enough but Sexton is still incredible in defence. He's not a completely empty jersey but yeah, he's a problem.

I think you could ruin Harry if you put him into the current Irish team though. Not firing enough and he could end up getting a confidence knock. Really need to have him playing more for Leinster.

Is Carty playing shite or what?

The usual mixed bag. Emergency use only at international level.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:50 pm**

10 Frawley
12 Henshaw
13 Ringer

Smash lads says I!!!

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:50 pm**

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:35 pm
camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:32 pm Keenan
Lowe
Ringrose
Henshaw
Larmour
H Byrne
G-P/Cooney/McGrath
Healy
Herring
Furlong
Ryan
Henderson
Beirne
VdF
Stander/Ruddock
Furlong won’t be fit enough to start in a week
Ryan may be injured did anyone hear how he is?

The lads will have heavy legs after that, just what you need when facing a young confident French team

Ryan went off with head injury, doubt he’ll pass return to play protocols within a week. Lock wasn’t.

POM, Sexton and earls are done. Burns never had it. Big selections coming up for Farrell

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:51 pm**

TheBouncer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:45 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:42 pm It's not enough but Sexton is still incredible in defence. He's not a completely empty jersey but yeah, he's a problem.

I think you could ruin Harry if you put him into the current Irish team though. Not firing enough and he could end up getting a confidence knock. Really need to have him playing more for Leinster.

Is Carty playing shite or what?
He’ll stand on the gainline and play, which is what Sexton can’t and Ross Byrne won’t do. He’s creative and his kicking from hand is outstanding. For me there’s much more upside to playing than any of the other options at the moment. Unless they throw in Harry Byrne
Too many mistakes.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:51 pm**

Mr. Very Popular wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:48 pm
camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:32 pm Keenan
Lowe
Ringrose
Henshaw
Larmour
H Byrne
G-P/Cooney/McGrath
Healy
Herring
Furlong
Ryan
Henderson
Beirne
VdF
Stander/Ruddock
JGP? You lunatic.
And Ruddock is not an 8.
taking the form 2nd row and shifting him to 6????

Healy
Herring
Porter
Beirne
Hendo
Ruddock
Connors
Stander
Murray
Sexton ( would like to see H Byrne there )

Conway
Henshaw
Ringrose
Larmour
Keenan.

That won’t be a million miles away from the team

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:51 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:42 pm It's not enough but Sexton is still incredible in defence. He's not a completely empty jersey but yeah, he's a problem.

I think you could ruin Harry if you put him into the current Irish team though. Not firing enough and he could end up getting a confidence knock. Really need to have him playing more for Leinster.

Is Carty playing shite or what?

He's the form out half in the country. He really should be called up, I'd be happy for him to start against France. He won't set the world alight but he'll put in a reliable shift.

To be fair most of the players put in a good shift. A man down for 66 minutes and almost nicked it at the end, away to Wales. The intensity and aggression was excellent and apart from Sexton, POM and Earls, everyone put in a good shift.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:52 pm**

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:49 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:39 pm Should be said that the “untouchable” ethos probably isn’t helped when you have lads like Heaslip on co-comms not willing to say a bad word about Sexton

How bad does it need to get until we see it?
Heaslip interviewed Sexton in his home podcasting studio as part of the BBC’s game buildup! Heaslip has a very nice studio! They’re probably decent buddies - interview was buddies chatting. Would be difficult to tell home truths / retire your old buddy on live TV.

Too many good mates in the Irish rugby media.
Never thought I'd miss George Hook to just stick the boot in tbh.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:52 pm**

Lost that on nous, so much dumb play went on. As bad as Sexton is ball in hand, his kicking has been very poor for a long time now. This really felt like O'Gara in Edinburgh. Murray was no better, gave Sexton an absolute hospital pass for his concussion. The penalty Murray gave away for blocking an aerial contest is a penalty he's been giving away his whole career, he is just incapable of learning. Also don't get me started on the two 'bombs' into the 22.

The two tries were so poor. The first daft from Ringrose, then Murray had an absolute brainfart to offload a clearly knocked on ball, sadly passing is not his forte and the 5 yard pass went to ground. Then Hendo never got his bearings after he made his initial tackle and left a gaping hole.

Second try Lowe's defensive alignment would have drawn criticism at unisex touch on Sunday mornings.

Despite all that, there were so many positives. If we find some halfbacks there is a very good team in there. An incredibly frustrating loss, but worth it if a changing of the guard moment, if this lesson isn't learned Farrell won't be long in the job.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:52 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:42 pm It's not enough but Sexton is still incredible in defence. He's not a completely empty jersey but yeah, he's a problem.

I think you could ruin Harry if you put him into the current Irish team though. Not firing enough and he could end up getting a confidence knock. Really need to have him playing more for Leinster.

Is Carty playing shite or what?

If we're going to lose matches, then we'd better learn from them. The oldies hampered the team today, and they haven't been great in the 18 months previous either.

So get the most promising young guys in. Why do they have to be 24-25 before we can trust them to good/resilient enough to play international rugby? It would be great if Harry had more Leinster games under his belt by now, but he will relish the chance either way. Still plenty of guys in the team with lots of caps to look after 1 or 2 genuine youngsters.
Wales didn't worry about Rees-Zammit, who turned 20 last week. Italy's little scumhalf was playing a blinder at 20 years old. Dupont and Ntamack have also been playing whilst still under-21. BOD and Ryan did very well with very little experience at 20/21 years.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:53 pm**

Carty will stand on the gainline and play. His kicking from hand is outstanding. Unless they throw Harry Byrne in, he’s the best of the current options.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:55 pm**

Porterbelly1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:53 pm Carty will stand on the gainline and play. Sexton can’t, and Ross Byrne won’t. His kicking from hand is outstanding. He can create stuff, yes he makes mistakes but he spends most of the time behind a pack going backwards. Unless they throw Harry Byrne in, he’s the best of the current options.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:55 pm**

Carty has been wank since RDS win. I love him but you can't be looking for him to make the leap back to test standard when he's in his worst form in 3 years.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:55 pm**

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:53 pm What’s this chat about POM being done? He’s not ready for being put out to pasture yet. One of our best players in the Autumn internationals.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:55 pm**

How long will POM get?

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:56 pm**

Diabhal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:55 pm Carty has been wank since RDS win. I love him but you can't be looking for him to make the leap back to test standard when he's in his worst form in 3 years.

He kept us in the game against Munster when the pack were destroyed. Excellent on Friday night too.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:57 pm**

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:55 pm
YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:53 pm What’s this chat about POM being done? He’s not ready for being put out to pasture yet. One of our best players in the Autumn internationals.

Great post. I thought Sexton also rolled back the years but if not Burns has great potential.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:57 pm**

Porterbelly1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:55 pm How long will POM get?

Not long enough.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:58 pm**

Lads, I couldn't give a shite if Byrne made mistakes while developing. My point was that it might affect his play and he'd regress and play more conservatively. If he had some decent top level games for Leinster under his belt that would make a difference.

So I'd have no problem with him going in but this isn't rugby manager. It's not a decision which is guaranteed to have no downside to it.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:59 pm**

Porterbelly1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:55 pm How long will POM get?

3 weeks you would think, doesn't have that much previous to not get 50% reduction.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:00 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:58 pm Lads, I couldn't give a shite if Byrne made mistakes while developing. My point was that it might affect his play and he'd regress and play more conservatively. If he had some decent top level games for Leinster under his belt that would make a difference.

So I'd have no problem with him going in but this isn't rugby manager. It's not a decision which is guaranteed to have no downside to it.

Slow and Steady.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:01 pm**

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:59 pm
Porterbelly1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:55 pm How long will POM get?
3 weeks you would think, doesn't have that much previous to not get 50% reduction.

Did he not get red carded vs the Scarlets?

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:01 pm**

Beirne into 6 if Ryan is fit with Coombes and Baird on the bench.

Sexton is going to be at 10 until the world cup. Ireland need to get a ball player somewhere in the backline so 100% of our play doesn't have to go through Sexton.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:01 pm**

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:58 pm Lads, I couldn't give a shite if Byrne made mistakes while developing. My point was that it might affect his play and he'd regress and play more conservatively. If he had some decent top level games for Leinster under his belt that would make a difference.

So I'd have no problem with him going in but this isn't rugby manager. It's not a decision which is guaranteed to have no downside to it.

There are always risks, and there is always context. In the current situation, the chances of upsides outweigh the possible downsides.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:01 pm**

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:46 pm f**king Cammy dropping Porter, our best forward.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:03 pm**

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:53 pm What’s this chat about POM being done? He’s not ready for being put out to pasture yet. One of our best players in the Autumn internationals.

Yup. I've no issue with axing him because he's a gowl.

As far as on field performances go, he's our best option at 7 by a significant margin until/unless Leavy gets back to his best.

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