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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:01 pm
by Nolanator
Very happy with my decision to replace the hinges on a press and only keep half an eye on the end of the game.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:02 pm
by HighKingLeinster
Floppykid wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:00 pm Ruddock might actually get to play now?
For one game and then POM is parachuted/chickenwinged back into the starting 15

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:04 pm
by lemonhead
RWC2015 wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:59 pm I think we can beat france next week
Be lucky to get 4th if not. Love to think the pressure's off now.

Is it feck.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:04 pm
by nardol
wales are absolutely rubbish

even with 14 how did we lose that?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:05 pm
by Trostan
For a lad that hasn't played since October, Hendo put in a great stint.
Good to see him back in case Ryan doesn't make it next week.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:11 pm
by nardol
just watched welsh tries

both involved lowe

both in the build up also involved murray... the penalty he gave away is infuriating

beirne is now a starter, quality.

one bosh of toby aside stander doesn't do much... Earls same

Barnes hates Ireland.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:12 pm
by Winnie
nardol wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:04 pm wales are absolutely rubbish

even with 14 how did we lose that?
As awful as today has been I’m glad I’m not welsh
They fell over the line against a team with 14 men for 65 minutes
They have massive problems and today’s win has kept Pivac in a job for the 6 nations

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:21 pm
by redderneck
nardol wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:04 pm wales are absolutely rubbish

even with 14 how did we lose that?
Because our outhalf has the mobility of the Belgrano.

I'm frustrated as fcuk with some of the selection. JGP has no business being on the pitch at that level. None. Should not be in the squad.

Sexton needs to be gone. Burns is not the answer. Neither is Byrne Snr. If the younger guns are not to be trusted yet, then FFS at least play one of the older known quantities who can still put one leg in front of the other without a zimmerframe and a motorcycle helmet. Madigan, JJ, Carty. Limitations and all, I am not buying the Sexton's still a better bet than they are even on one leg and half a frontal lobe.

He's bloody not and it's a fair while since he has been.

Sexton playing 12 outside Burns at 10. Jesus Christ in a Jesualem hoorhouse that is just unconscionable. I'd sooner put Kilcoyne at 12 and Murray at 10.

POM, you tryhard Cork cnut. They roped and you doped. A twelve year old would have had the sense to pass that one up. We have backrowers; that should be his last game in green this season, and perhaps ever. You cannot NOT drop someone from a squad when they are that reckless and it shouldn't be down to a suspension to see his season end.

Wales are gash. We are now scrambling to finish third. Given that; bite the bullet on Sexton.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:22 pm
by redderneck
redderneck wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:21 pm
nardol wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:04 pm wales are absolutely rubbish

even with 14 how did we lose that?
Because our outhalf has the mobility of the Belgrano.

I'm frustrated as fcuk with some of the selection. JGP has no business being on the pitch at that level. None. Should not be in the squad.

Sexton needs to be gone. Burns is not the answer. Neither is Byrne Snr. If the younger guns are not to be trusted yet, then FFS at least play one of the older known quantities who can still put one leg in front of the other without a zimmerframe and a motorcycle helmet. Madigan, JJ, Carty. Limitations and all, I am not buying the Sexton's still a better bet than they are even on one leg and half a frontal lobe.

He's bloody not and it's a fair while since he has been.

Sexton playing 12 outside Burns at 10. Jesus Christ in a Jesualem hoorhouse that is just unconscionable. I'd sooner put Kilcoyne at 12 and Murray at 10.

POM, you tryhard Cork cnut. They roped and you doped. A twelve year old would have had the sense to pass that one up. We have backrowers; that should be his last game in green this season, and perhaps ever. You cannot NOT drop someone from a squad when they are that reckless and it shouldn't be down to a suspension to see his season end.

Wales are gash. We are now scrambling to finish third. Given that; bite the bullet on Sexton.
PS. Lowe is a lazy twat and another than deserves to reflect on that from a distance.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:24 pm
by HighKingLeinster
I missed the post match interviews. What did Farrell say? Anybody else say anything of note?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:24 pm
by earl the beaver
The 42 gave Sexton a 7.

A 7 ffs, the media has no interest in actually being honest so as not to burn bridges, he was terrible.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:25 pm
by nardol
he is not lazy, not at all

he just doesnt know how to defend

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:27 pm
by IBWT
What's our record with Barnes reffing? It feels like it must be woeful.

That said I didn't think he was too bad today apart from that very poor decision to punish Beirne. Which actually gifted Wales 3 points which turned out fairly important by the end.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:30 pm
by danthefan
Conspicuous wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:59 am
danthefan wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:39 am
Mr. Very Popular wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:05 pm
Floppykid wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:28 pm
irishrugbyua wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:23 pm ROCS team:

Possible Ireland team to face Wales: H Keenan; J Larmour, G Ringrose, R Henshaw, K Earls; J Sexton (capt), C Murray; C Healy, R Herring, A Porter; T Beirne, J Ryan; P O’Mahony, J van der Flier, CJ Stander. Reps: R Kelleher, D Kilcoyne, T Furlong, I Henderson, W Connors, J Gibson-Park, B Burns/R Byrne, J Lowe.
x(

hopefully Beirne grabs his chance.
What's the issue with Earls?
Should have been told thanks and good luck after the RWC.
Nonsense, we simply don’t have the depth or talent to cut every player over 30 at the end of each RWC cycle. Especially someone like Earls who was/is still playing well.
Ok.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:32 pm
by alliswell
That's very frustrating because Wales were cack. A man down for 60-65 minutes and we only lose by 5. I'd say POM feels quite the turd.

It's sad to see Sexton look so old, especially given that we're the same age.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:32 pm
by danthefan
earl the beaver wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:24 pm The 42 gave Sexton a 7.

A 7 ffs, the media has no interest in actually being honest so as not to burn bridges, he was terrible.
I see they left POM out of the ratings entirely, when he clearly should be getting a nice big fat 0. Only playing a few mins because you got sent off is not the same as only playing a few mins because you came on late.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:38 pm
by Winnie
redderneck wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:21 pm
nardol wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:04 pm wales are absolutely rubbish

even with 14 how did we lose that?
Because our outhalf has the mobility of the Belgrano.

I'm frustrated as fcuk with some of the selection. JGP has no business being on the pitch at that level. None. Should not be in the squad.

Sexton needs to be gone. Burns is not the answer. Neither is Byrne Snr. If the younger guns are not to be trusted yet, then FFS at least play one of the older known quantities who can still put one leg in front of the other without a zimmerframe and a motorcycle helmet. Madigan, JJ, Carty. Limitations and all, I am not buying the Sexton's still a better bet than they are even on one leg and half a frontal lobe.

He's bloody not and it's a fair while since he has been.

Sexton playing 12 outside Burns at 10. Jesus Christ in a Jesualem hoorhouse that is just unconscionable. I'd sooner put Kilcoyne at 12 and Murray at 10.

POM, you tryhard Cork cnut. They roped and you doped. A twelve year old would have had the sense to pass that one up. We have backrowers; that should be his last game in green this season, and perhaps ever. You cannot NOT drop someone from a squad when they are that reckless and it shouldn't be down to a suspension to see his season end.

Wales are gash. We are now scrambling to finish third. Given that; bite the bullet on Sexton.
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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:41 pm
by redderneck
alliswell wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:32 pm That's very frustrating because Wales were cack. A man down for 60-65 minutes and we only lose by 5. I'd say POM feels quite the turd.

It's sad to see Sexton look so old, especially given that we're the same age.
Feck that. Two years ago was the time to feel sad for him.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:43 pm
by Gauss
Bertie should step in and broker some talks between the IRFU and the blue-haired types to engineer a return for Paddy Jackson.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:47 pm
by anonymous_joe
redderneck wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:21 pm
nardol wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:04 pm wales are absolutely rubbish

even with 14 how did we lose that?
Because our outhalf has the mobility of the Belgrano.

I'm frustrated as fcuk with some of the selection. JGP has no business being on the pitch at that level. None. Should not be in the squad.

Sexton needs to be gone. Burns is not the answer. Neither is Byrne Snr. If the younger guns are not to be trusted yet, then FFS at least play one of the older known quantities who can still put one leg in front of the other without a zimmerframe and a motorcycle helmet. Madigan, JJ, Carty. Limitations and all, I am not buying the Sexton's still a better bet than they are even on one leg and half a frontal lobe.

He's bloody not and it's a fair while since he has been.

Sexton playing 12 outside Burns at 10. Jesus Christ in a Jesualem hoorhouse that is just unconscionable. I'd sooner put Kilcoyne at 12 and Murray at 10.

POM, you tryhard Cork cnut. They roped and you doped. A twelve year old would have had the sense to pass that one up. We have backrowers; that should be his last game in green this season, and perhaps ever. You cannot NOT drop someone from a squad when they are that reckless and it shouldn't be down to a suspension to see his season end.

Wales are gash. We are now scrambling to finish third. Given that; bite the bullet on Sexton.
Regarding POM, it's amazing how little difference his absence made to our backrow.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:48 pm
by Porterbelly1
nardol wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:25 pm he is not lazy, not at all

he just doesnt know how to defend
Disappointing to see a very promising journo like Murray Kinsella fall into line, avoid criticism, proper analysis and write all his puff pieces in return for a heads up on team selection the night before it’s announced. The Thornley role

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:48 pm
by diarm
I've just watched that kick back for some reason.

He's missed the entire side of the field. A grown man has been asked to kick the ball over a line and has failed to do it.

It hasn't gone out over the try line or even out past the dead ball line. It's gone into the stand behind the fecking field.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:53 pm
by Armchair_Superstar
I don’t think POM went for the head on purpose, Barnes said as much before they called it back for the slow mo.

We had a lot of players who showed up today but we won’t be going anywhere without a sharper ten.

I can’t understand how kicking for touch has become a lost art. Fifteen years ago most Test tens would give you forty yards fro a penalty. Coaches these days seem to be happy with 20.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:56 pm
by redderneck
anonymous_joe wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:47 pm
redderneck wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:21 pm
nardol wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:04 pm wales are absolutely rubbish

even with 14 how did we lose that?
Because our outhalf has the mobility of the Belgrano.

I'm frustrated as fcuk with some of the selection. JGP has no business being on the pitch at that level. None. Should not be in the squad.

Sexton needs to be gone. Burns is not the answer. Neither is Byrne Snr. If the younger guns are not to be trusted yet, then FFS at least play one of the older known quantities who can still put one leg in front of the other without a zimmerframe and a motorcycle helmet. Madigan, JJ, Carty. Limitations and all, I am not buying the Sexton's still a better bet than they are even on one leg and half a frontal lobe.

He's bloody not and it's a fair while since he has been.

Sexton playing 12 outside Burns at 10. Jesus Christ in a Jesualem hoorhouse that is just unconscionable. I'd sooner put Kilcoyne at 12 and Murray at 10.

POM, you tryhard Cork cnut. They roped and you doped. A twelve year old would have had the sense to pass that one up. We have backrowers; that should be his last game in green this season, and perhaps ever. You cannot NOT drop someone from a squad when they are that reckless and it shouldn't be down to a suspension to see his season end.

Wales are gash. We are now scrambling to finish third. Given that; bite the bullet on Sexton.
Regarding POM, it's amazing how little difference his absence made to our backrow.
Much as I'd like to pile-on on this; cos the Cark cnut deserves it, that's just not the case. Our second half difficulties, against a limited Wales were testimony to that. The starting backrow was already unbalanced, but to say his absence wasn't felt would be like me suggesting the legal profession wouldn't be missed from insurance cases.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:57 pm
by alliswell
redderneck wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:41 pm
alliswell wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:32 pm That's very frustrating because Wales were cack. A man down for 60-65 minutes and we only lose by 5. I'd say POM feels quite the turd.

It's sad to see Sexton look so old, especially given that we're the same age.
Feck that. Two years ago was the time to feel sad for him.
I feel sad for me, not him. It's depressing when you realise that the only professional athletes older than you are golfers.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:57 pm
by Evil_G
Diabhal wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:07 pm
Porterbelly1 wrote:
He kept us in the game against Munster when the pack were destroyed. Excellent on Friday night too.
He was battered in the conditions against Ulster B in the second half, did a Cillian O'Connor early on against Munster when they needed to settle, was way below standard against Ospreys too.

He was decent Friday but he's nowhere near where he was.
He didn't play against the Ospreys.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:00 pm
by HighKingLeinster
danthefan wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:32 pm
earl the beaver wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:24 pm The 42 gave Sexton a 7.

A 7 ffs, the media has no interest in actually being honest so as not to burn bridges, he was terrible.
I see they left POM out of the ratings entirely, when he clearly should be getting a nice big fat 0. Only playing a few mins because you got sent off is not the same as only playing a few mins because you came on late.
Indo gave him a zero. And their other ratings are actually ok for once

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:00 pm
by Flametop
Armchair_Superstar wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:53 pm I don’t think POM went for the head on purpose, Barnes said as much before they called it back for the slow mo.

We had a lot of players who showed up today but we won’t be going anywhere without a sharper ten.

I can’t understand how kicking for touch has become a lost art. Fifteen years ago most Test tens would give you forty yards fro a penalty. Coaches these days seem to be happy with 20.
So many players can’t spiral/torpedo kick anymore.

:(

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:05 pm
by redderneck
Flametop wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:00 pm
Armchair_Superstar wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:53 pm I don’t think POM went for the head on purpose, Barnes said as much before they called it back for the slow mo.

We had a lot of players who showed up today but we won’t be going anywhere without a sharper ten.

I can’t understand how kicking for touch has become a lost art. Fifteen years ago most Test tens would give you forty yards fro a penalty. Coaches these days seem to be happy with 20.
So many players can’t spiral/torpedo kick anymore.

:(
My understanding is that they are (more or less) coached not to. The percentage play kick to touch is the Aussie rules style kick it like your're leg's in a brace style. Sacrificing distance for accuracy, supposedly. Hard to feck up the timing. Spiral can get away from you easy enough if your timing is not bang on.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:06 pm
by diarm
Armchair_Superstar wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:53 pmI can’t understand how kicking for touch has become a lost art. Fifteen years ago most Test tens would give you forty yards fro a penalty. Coaches these days seem to be happy with 20.
There's a lack of accountability for basic skills and has been for a while. Sexton has been missing kicks to touch for years and has never once even been called out for it, let alone dropped. Same goes for JJ at Munster and for hookers not bothering their arses learning to throw the ball properly.

O'Mahony badly let Munster down at Scarlets a few months ago. Played like dogshit for an hour and then got sent off for throwing a dirty shoulder into the face of a prone player on the ground after we'd scored a try. Never got held accountable for it and was straight back into the team at the earliest opportunity.

This is the result. Lads learn lessons from consequences and once you're an established Irish international there are no consequences.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:06 pm
by Flametop
The 42 gave Keenan a 6 IIRC.

:lol:

Sexton gets a 7.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:07 pm
by danthefan
Armchair_Superstar wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:53 pm I don’t think POM went for the head on purpose, Barnes said as much before they called it back for the slow mo.

We had a lot of players who showed up today but we won’t be going anywhere without a sharper ten.

I can’t understand how kicking for touch has become a lost art. Fifteen years ago most Test tens would give you forty yards fro a penalty. Coaches these days seem to be happy with 20.
I'm sure he wasn't going specifically for the head but he was clearly trying to put a shot in on Francis and that's the risk you run. He deserves zero benefit of the doubt.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:09 pm
by Winnie
Has POM or Farrell said anything yet?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:09 pm
by danthefan
It's his f**king second red card this season for head contact in a ruck.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:10 pm
by Mullet 2
Nolanator wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:01 pm Very happy with my decision to replace the hinges on a press and only keep half an eye on the end of the game.
bent

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:11 pm
by redderneck
diarm wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:06 pm
Armchair_Superstar wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:53 pmI can’t understand how kicking for touch has become a lost art. Fifteen years ago most Test tens would give you forty yards fro a penalty. Coaches these days seem to be happy with 20.
There's a lack of accountability for basic skills and has been for a while. Sexton has been missing kicks to touch for years and has never once even been called out for it, let alone dropped. Same goes for JJ at Munster and for hookers not bothering their arses learning to throw the ball properly.

O'Mahony badly let Munster down at Scarlets a few months ago. Played like dogshit for an hour and then got sent off for throwing a dirty shoulder into the face of a prone player on the ground after we'd scored a try. Never got held accountable for it and was straight back into the team at the earliest opportunity.

This is the result. Lads learn lessons from consequences and once you're an established Irish international there are no consequences.
Part of me hopes Farrell comes out ahead of the hearing and says "Pauls' 6N is done; not having that shit".

But then part of me wants Farrell to shove two fingers up to the IRFU and pick Paddy Jackson at ten and bring Zebo in to FB.

It's not a very rational part of me.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:13 pm
by Mullet 2
Flametop wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:06 pm The 42 gave Keenan a 6 IIRC.

:lol:

Sexton gets a 7.
Glad you're onboard team Keenan

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:13 pm
by redderneck
danthefan wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:07 pm
Armchair_Superstar wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:53 pm I don’t think POM went for the head on purpose, Barnes said as much before they called it back for the slow mo.

We had a lot of players who showed up today but we won’t be going anywhere without a sharper ten.

I can’t understand how kicking for touch has become a lost art. Fifteen years ago most Test tens would give you forty yards fro a penalty. Coaches these days seem to be happy with 20.
I'm sure he wasn't going specifically for the head but he was clearly trying to put a shot in on Francis and that's the risk you run. He deserves zero benefit of the doubt.
Francis deserved to be destroyed for the position he was occupying; let's be clear. But you fire a wrapping arm in and go lower and you can still issue the reminder Barnes was too slow in issuing. They roped, he doped.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:13 pm
by Flametop
redderneck wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:05 pm
Flametop wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:00 pm
Armchair_Superstar wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:53 pm I don’t think POM went for the head on purpose, Barnes said as much before they called it back for the slow mo.

We had a lot of players who showed up today but we won’t be going anywhere without a sharper ten.

I can’t understand how kicking for touch has become a lost art. Fifteen years ago most Test tens would give you forty yards fro a penalty. Coaches these days seem to be happy with 20.
So many players can’t spiral/torpedo kick anymore.

:(
My understanding is that they are (more or less) coached not to. The percentage play kick to touch is the Aussie rules style kick it like your're leg's in a brace style. Sacrificing distance for accuracy, supposedly. Hard to feck up the timing. Spiral can get away from you easy enough if your timing is not bang on.
The Oz style is better up the right touch line as it doesn’t curve to the left for a right footed kick.

The spiral is a kick you need to utilise all the time to be able to do it reliably.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:14 pm
by Jumper
nardol wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:25 pm he is not lazy, not at all

he just doesnt know how to defend
In his last two games for Ireland he has been beaten in a foot-race to stop tries by POM and now Furlong. Schmidt would never have a wing who doesn't work for the team near his squad.