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Interesting that 2 high profile red cards involving Ireland players involve Barnes not penalising offside at ruck opposition players.

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:43 pm

Porterbelly1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:39 pm

EverReady wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:34 pm Madigan not getting picked was just stupid. I wonder if Sexton or other older players had a part in that because eyes would have told a coach he was currently the best option with experience

But Burns starts ahead of Madigan at Ulster

Meh, Burns isn't great, Madigan has pulled Ulster out of several corners since he came, most famously against Edinburgh and more recently against Connacht. He is very good during the latter stages of the match. Isn't perfect by any means.

Burns got hauled off early a couple of weeks back in a top of the table clash vs Leinster. That spoke volumes of his performance that night and how the coaches realise he is a bit shit.

This is all mute, the answer lies down in Dublin in the Byrne household. Now he is proved his fitness last week, this would be a perfect chance for H Byrne to be called up and garner some vital experence.

I’d agree with that, Madigan is ballsy. Carty in the same bracket. As least with either of them in the team you’ll go down swinging. But yeah, might as well throw Harry Byrne in now

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:43 pm

Porterbelly1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:39 pm

EverReady wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:34 pm Madigan not getting picked was just stupid. I wonder if Sexton or other older players had a part in that because eyes would have told a coach he was currently the best option with experience

But Burns starts ahead of Madigan at Ulster

Meh, Burns isn't great, Madigan has pulled Ulster out of several corners since he came, most famously against Edinburgh and more recently against Connacht. He is very good during the latter stages of the match. Isn't perfect by any means.

Burns got hauled off early a couple of weeks back in a top of the table clash vs Leinster. That spoke volumes of his performance that night and how the coaches realise he is a bit shit.

This is all mute, the answer lies down in Dublin in the Byrne household. Now he is proved his fitness last week, this would be a perfect chance for H Byrne to be called up and garner some vital experence.

Moot, Willie. Moot.

Porterbelly1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:44 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm Moved the ball well in the same way Ross does.

That was very noticeable today. Stand deep, stationary and shovel. The Ross Byrne playbook

Henshaw was able to bust some tackles and defend well so, clearly Sexton was doing something right?

Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:48 pm

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:43 pm

Porterbelly1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:39 pm

EverReady wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:34 pm Madigan not getting picked was just stupid. I wonder if Sexton or other older players had a part in that because eyes would have told a coach he was currently the best option with experience

But Burns starts ahead of Madigan at Ulster

Meh, Burns isn't great, Madigan has pulled Ulster out of several corners since he came, most famously against Edinburgh and more recently against Connacht. He is very good during the latter stages of the match. Isn't perfect by any means.

Burns got hauled off early a couple of weeks back in a top of the table clash vs Leinster. That spoke volumes of his performance that night and how the coaches realise he is a bit shit.

This is all mute, the answer lies down in Dublin in the Byrne household. Now he is proved his fitness last week, this would be a perfect chance for H Byrne to be called up and garner some vital experence.

Moot, Willie. Moot.

Ulster Scots, Gavin, Ulster Scots, you thran bollix.

Also looks like Stockdale and Balacoune (if he recovers soon) have pretty decent futures in green after all.

Earls should be dropped and Lowe makes Jacob look like Josh Lewsey in defence.

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:50 pm Also looks like Stockdale and Balacoune (if he recovers soon) have pretty decent futures in green after all.

It’s hard to miss tackles when you’re injured.

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:50 pm Also looks like Stockdale and Balacoune (if he recovers soon) have pretty decent futures in green after all.

May have, may not have. I'd certainly love to see a fit Baloucoune given a go.

I think Keenan has the FB position anyway.

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:46 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm Moved the ball well in the same way Ross does.

Everyone thinks both centres had stormers, yet were served by an OH only shoveling ball on ?

Doesn't pan out. Sexton is probably playing at 80% of his peak, but there's no one, bar HB or JC if he was fit, actually better than him at the moment. I wish there was.

And, Jezzer, being able to execute under pressure is the very definition of a professional sportsperson.

Sexton was dogshite. The fact our centres were good was in spite of him.

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:49 pm

Porterbelly1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:44 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm Moved the ball well in the same way Ross does.

That was very noticeable today. Stand deep, stationary and shovel. The Ross Byrne playbook

Henshaw was able to bust some tackles and defend well so, clearly Sexton was doing something right?

I stand corrected Gavin Cummiskey. 8/10

Does the TMO rely on the TV director for his access to the replay angles or is all camera footage available at all times which he can rewind as he wishes?

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:53 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:46 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm Moved the ball well in the same way Ross does.

Everyone thinks both centres had stormers, yet were served by an OH only shoveling ball on ?

Doesn't pan out. Sexton is probably playing at 80% of his peak, but there's no one, bar HB or JC if he was fit, actually better than him at the moment. I wish there was.

And, Jezzer, being able to execute under pressure is the very definition of a professional sportsperson.

Sexton was dogshite. The fact our centres were good was in spite of him.

And you actually play rugby ?

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:46 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm Moved the ball well in the same way Ross does.

Everyone thinks both centres had stormers, yet were served by an OH only shoveling ball on ?

Doesn't pan out. Sexton is probably playing at 80% of his peak, but there's no one, bar HB or JC if he was fit, actually better than him at the moment. I wish there was.

And, Jezzer, being able to execute under pressure is the very definition of a professional sportsperson.

Totally agree and didn't say otherwise. I wouldn't have him near the Ireland squad, him bottling the kick was catastrophic but fair play to him for not just stoofing it 10m down the line like so many do, which would have been nearly as bad

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:46 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm Moved the ball well in the same way Ross does.

Everyone thinks both centres had stormers, yet were served by an OH only shoveling ball on ?

Doesn't pan out. Sexton is probably playing at 80% of his peak, but there's no one, bar HB or JC if he was fit, actually better than him at the moment. I wish there was.

And, Jezzer, being able to execute under pressure is the very definition of a professional sportsperson.

No Cam. Both centres did not have stormers. Henshaw came close as bejaysus to having one, and in the circumstances, I wouldn't quibble with the adjective. Ringrose did not. Not even close. Up against George North FFS, a mobile ten would have helped Ringrose carve him up and send him into retirement. He was good enough for the most part, but his WTF moment was a doozy. Doesn't rival POM's, but a doozy nonetheless.

Trying too hard to overcome two shirts further in.

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:58 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:46 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm Moved the ball well in the same way Ross does.

Everyone thinks both centres had stormers, yet were served by an OH only shoveling ball on ?

Doesn't pan out. Sexton is probably playing at 80% of his peak, but there's no one, bar HB or JC if he was fit, actually better than him at the moment. I wish there was.

And, Jezzer, being able to execute under pressure is the very definition of a professional sportsperson.

No Cam. Both centres did not have stormers. Henshaw came close as bejaysus to having one, and in the circumstances, I wouldn't quibble with the adjective. Ringrose did not. Not even close. Up against George North FFS, a mobile ten would have helped Ringrose carve him up and send him into retirement. He was good enough for the most part, but his WTF moment was a doozy. Doesn't rival POM's, but a doozy nonetheless.

Trying too hard to overcome two shirts further in.

Ringrose had a good game bar the one fudge up. Henshaw was definitely better, but Ringrose doesn't even bare comparison to a bad game let alone POM's

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:00 pm

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:58 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:46 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm Moved the ball well in the same way Ross does.

Everyone thinks both centres had stormers, yet were served by an OH only shoveling ball on ?

Doesn't pan out. Sexton is probably playing at 80% of his peak, but there's no one, bar HB or JC if he was fit, actually better than him at the moment. I wish there was.

And, Jezzer, being able to execute under pressure is the very definition of a professional sportsperson.

No Cam. Both centres did not have stormers. Henshaw came close as bejaysus to having one, and in the circumstances, I wouldn't quibble with the adjective. Ringrose did not. Not even close. Up against George North FFS, a mobile ten would have helped Ringrose carve him up and send him into retirement. He was good enough for the most part, but his WTF moment was a doozy. Doesn't rival POM's, but a doozy nonetheless.

Trying too hard to overcome two shirts further in.

Ringrose had a good game bar the one fudge up. Henshaw was definitely better, but Ringrose doesn't even bare comparison to a bad game let alone POM's

Comprehension 101? Did I say he had a bad game? My point was he had a good enough game, but a mobile ten should/would have been able to help him absolutely expose North. It didn't happen.

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:03 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:00 pm

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:58 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:46 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm Moved the ball well in the same way Ross does.

Everyone thinks both centres had stormers, yet were served by an OH only shoveling ball on ?

Doesn't pan out. Sexton is probably playing at 80% of his peak, but there's no one, bar HB or JC if he was fit, actually better than him at the moment. I wish there was.

And, Jezzer, being able to execute under pressure is the very definition of a professional sportsperson.

No Cam. Both centres did not have stormers. Henshaw came close as bejaysus to having one, and in the circumstances, I wouldn't quibble with the adjective. Ringrose did not. Not even close. Up against George North FFS, a mobile ten would have helped Ringrose carve him up and send him into retirement. He was good enough for the most part, but his WTF moment was a doozy. Doesn't rival POM's, but a doozy nonetheless.

Trying too hard to overcome two shirts further in.

Ringrose had a good game bar the one fudge up. Henshaw was definitely better, but Ringrose doesn't even bare comparison to a bad game let alone POM's

Comprehension 101? Did I say he had a bad game? My point was he had a good enough game, but a mobile ten should/would have been able to help him absolutely expose North. It didn't happen.

Fair enough.

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:05 pm

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:03 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:00 pm

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:58 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:46 pm

Everyone thinks both centres had stormers, yet were served by an OH only shoveling ball on ?

Doesn't pan out. Sexton is probably playing at 80% of his peak, but there's no one, bar HB or JC if he was fit, actually better than him at the moment. I wish there was.

And, Jezzer, being able to execute under pressure is the very definition of a professional sportsperson.

No Cam. Both centres did not have stormers. Henshaw came close as bejaysus to having one, and in the circumstances, I wouldn't quibble with the adjective. Ringrose did not. Not even close. Up against George North FFS, a mobile ten would have helped Ringrose carve him up and send him into retirement. He was good enough for the most part, but his WTF moment was a doozy. Doesn't rival POM's, but a doozy nonetheless.

Trying too hard to overcome two shirts further in.

Ringrose had a good game bar the one fudge up. Henshaw was definitely better, but Ringrose doesn't even bare comparison to a bad game let alone POM's

Comprehension 101? Did I say he had a bad game? My point was he had a good enough game, but a mobile ten should/would have been able to help him absolutely expose North. It didn't happen.

Fair enough.

Ahhhhh the frustration is getting to me. Still bloody seething.

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:00 pm

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:58 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:46 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm Moved the ball well in the same way Ross does.

Everyone thinks both centres had stormers, yet were served by an OH only shoveling ball on ?

Doesn't pan out. Sexton is probably playing at 80% of his peak, but there's no one, bar HB or JC if he was fit, actually better than him at the moment. I wish there was.

And, Jezzer, being able to execute under pressure is the very definition of a professional sportsperson.

No Cam. Both centres did not have stormers. Henshaw came close as bejaysus to having one, and in the circumstances, I wouldn't quibble with the adjective. Ringrose did not. Not even close. Up against George North FFS, a mobile ten would have helped Ringrose carve him up and send him into retirement. He was good enough for the most part, but his WTF moment was a doozy. Doesn't rival POM's, but a doozy nonetheless.

Trying too hard to overcome two shirts further in.

Ringrose had a good game bar the one fudge up. Henshaw was definitely better, but Ringrose doesn't even bare comparison to a bad game let alone POM's

He had a very mixed game. Great leg drive and hard metres made in contact, good defence including a big hit on AWJ being positive.

Daft offload and kick out on the full with a bit of space outside him in the negative.

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:03 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:00 pm

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:58 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:46 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:40 pm Moved the ball well in the same way Ross does.

Everyone thinks both centres had stormers, yet were served by an OH only shoveling ball on ?

Doesn't pan out. Sexton is probably playing at 80% of his peak, but there's no one, bar HB or JC if he was fit, actually better than him at the moment. I wish there was.

And, Jezzer, being able to execute under pressure is the very definition of a professional sportsperson.

No Cam. Both centres did not have stormers. Henshaw came close as bejaysus to having one, and in the circumstances, I wouldn't quibble with the adjective. Ringrose did not. Not even close. Up against George North FFS, a mobile ten would have helped Ringrose carve him up and send him into retirement. He was good enough for the most part, but his WTF moment was a doozy. Doesn't rival POM's, but a doozy nonetheless.

Trying too hard to overcome two shirts further in.

Ringrose had a good game bar the one fudge up. Henshaw was definitely better, but Ringrose doesn't even bare comparison to a bad game let alone POM's

Comprehension 101? Did I say he had a bad game? My point was he had a good enough game, but a mobile ten should/would have been able to help him absolutely expose North. It didn't happen.

We were a man down FFS. The fact we led most of the game despite facing one extra guy in their line and busting our asses to cover the big gap in ours seems to escape you. Even a prime Sexton or any other top 10 you want to choose would struggle to create clear linebreaks against an extra man. It just doesn't happen.

Despite that, our backline totally outplayed theirs. But of course, that was despite Sexton and not in any way due to him...

Correct. Well done.

Sexton doesn't need the rearguard action lads.

Let's give sexton a five year central contract. F*ck it like, he was amazing.

Half the reason Henshaw was so good, and why he was my motm, was because he was holding the scrum steady on the blindside. Ballsy, and he didn't look out of place.

I have to admit that with 7 against 8 in the scrum in the last 5 minutes or so, the Irish still held the Welsh, so perhaps the Welsh scrum was rather shite...

On other positives: it was great to see Beirne do so well. Interesting to see if he can perform like this against the French/English, but he has definitely earned the chance.

Both Furlong and Hendo came back from injury, slotted in well and looked matchfit. Porter was great.
Stander and VdF did very well as a 2-man backrow; nice to see Stander running over Faletau too.

Yes, we need better from Lowe in defence, but that boot is a real asset (especially seeing as both flyhalves had 'issues' with their kicking from hand).

And Keenan is proving himself to be as solid as Kearney, with a bit more of an attacking threat.

Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:16 pm Let's give sexton a five year central contract. F*ck it like, he was amazing.

Ah now.

Sexton is 36 in a few months. Feck it we all know it's ridiculous that he's still togging out for the national side. Who stays going at that age unless you are a gnarled second row forward like AWJ? That's old for a second row. For a back you're pretty much a fossil at that age.

IBWT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:26 pm Sexton is 36 in a few months. Feck it we all know it's ridiculous that he's still togging out for the national side. Who stays going at that age unless you are a gnarled second row forward like AWJ? That's old for a second row. For a back you're pretty much a fossil at that age.

Who do you replace him with ?

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:28 pm

IBWT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:26 pm Sexton is 36 in a few months. Feck it we all know it's ridiculous that he's still togging out for the national side. Who stays going at that age unless you are a gnarled second row forward like AWJ? That's old for a second row. For a back you're pretty much a fossil at that age.

Who do you replace him with ?

If he failed a HIA we may find out against France.

Evil_G wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:57 pm

Diabhal wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:07 pm

Porterbelly1 wrote:
He kept us in the game against Munster when the pack were destroyed. Excellent on Friday night too.

He was battered in the conditions against Ulster B in the second half, did a Cillian O'Connor early on against Munster when they needed to settle, was way below standard against Ospreys too.

He was decent Friday but he's nowhere near where he was.

He didn't play against the Ospreys.

That's true. I bend over now for porterbelly to give me a deserved lashing.

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:28 pm

IBWT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:26 pm Sexton is 36 in a few months. Feck it we all know it's ridiculous that he's still togging out for the national side. Who stays going at that age unless you are a gnarled second row forward like AWJ? That's old for a second row. For a back you're pretty much a fossil at that age.

Who do you replace him with ?

Any current provincial 10 except Burns?

Fcukit, at least JJ would take it to the line.

DOB wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:31 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:28 pm

IBWT wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:26 pm Sexton is 36 in a few months. Feck it we all know it's ridiculous that he's still togging out for the national side. Who stays going at that age unless you are a gnarled second row forward like AWJ? That's old for a second row. For a back you're pretty much a fossil at that age.

Who do you replace him with ?

Any current provincial 10 except Burns?

Fcukit, at least JJ would take it to the line.

If JJ is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:40 pm Paddy Jackson is the form Irish 10 atm.
Just saying like

I agree.

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:40 pm Paddy Jackson is the form Irish 10 atm.
Just saying like

Imagine the shit storm though. And there would be an almighty one.

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:40 pm Paddy Jackson is the form Irish 10 atm.
Just saying like

I agree.

Whilst I have no doubts about his talent, looking good in the English league has never translated to good international form in the properly pro era.

A couple of other 'positives' were the better/different attack patterns we had with the forwards and first and second receiver moving the ball well and creating space. Even Stander had a couple of good passes, and it was noticeable when Furlong came on how he was able to really take the ball convincingly at the gainline and get the ball out the back like he'd never been away.

Also loved the aggression Kelleher showed when he came on. Was blasting into contact like another Kilcoyne.

grimoald wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:03 am A couple of other 'positives' were the better/different attack patterns we had with the forwards and first and second receiver moving the ball well and creating space. Even Stander had a couple of good passes, and it was noticeable when Furlong came on how he was able to really take the ball convincingly at the gainline and get the ball out the back like he'd never been away.

Also loved the aggression Kelleher showed when he came on. Was blasting into contact like another Kilcoyne.

Kelleher did look good in his short stint - and hit all his lineouts I believe, which is his main area of improvement.

Keenan really seems to be coming on in leaps and bounds with every game. He doesn't look the biggest guy and seems to get absolutely ragdolled going into contact but he's bloody brave and is technically very good.
Damn fine tackler too.
Rapidly becoming one of my favourite players and is blossoming in the irish jersey

Don’t get Lowe. It was like the guy who comes to the first rugby practice. Running round like he didn’t know where he was. Defence was disgraceful.

Would like to see:

1. Porter
2. Kellecher
3. Furlong
4. Henderson
5. Ryan
6. Byrne
7. VdF
8. Doris.

Don’t care so much about the backs.

irishjonny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:17 am Would like to see:

1. Porter
2. Kellecher
3. Furlong
4. Henderson
5. Ryan
6. Byrne
7. VdF
8. Doris.

Don’t care so much about the backs.

Is that you Declan Kidney?