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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:33 am
by Flametop

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:45 am
by nardol
he will be cited

feck all use now

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:46 am
by Kid A
nardol wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:11 pm

Barnes hates Ireland.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:48 am
by nardol
so if sexton is gone... it will be burns i reckon... who hets brought in? Healy or Byrne jnr or snr?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:48 am
by Gavin Duffy
Kid A wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:46 am
nardol wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:11 pm

Barnes hates Ireland.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Shite graphic - when did those penalties occur in the game?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:51 am
by Kid A
Gavin Duffy wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:48 am
Kid A wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:46 am
nardol wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:11 pm

Barnes hates Ireland.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Shite graphic - when did those penalties occur in the game?
When Barnes was being really really mean to Ireland?

Give and take bois bach. Your sides simply do not like getting refereed properly. Never have, never will.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:57 am
by Winnie
IBWT wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:46 pm
C69 wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:40 pm Paddy Jackson is the form Irish 10 atm.
Just saying like
Imagine the shit storm though. And there would be an almighty one.
From who?
Why would there be a shit storm
There wouldnt be woke warriors in the crowd and they can hardly fear sponsors when Ulster are associated with the mob that tried to cover up Grenfell.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:57 am
by Ulsters Red Hand
camroc1 wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:52 pm
Willie Falloon wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:45 pm
C69 wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:40 pm Paddy Jackson is the form Irish 10 atm.
Just saying like
I agree.
Whilst I have no doubts about his talent, looking good in the English league has never translated to good international form in the properly pro era.
That explains why England are usually the best home nation

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:10 am
by Flametop
Jake must have gotten his hands on some seriously good shit this weekend.

“ Following a 21-16 victory for Wales over Ireland in their Six Nations game, here’s our five takeaways from the match at the Principality Stadium.

Top line

To watch two sides so willing to play rugby and so proud to run the ball with width, direction and intensity was an absolute joy and, whilst there can only ever be one winner, Ireland’s 14-man display played just as much a part in the entertainment as Wales’ first tier one win under Wayne Pivac which came courtesy of tries from veteran three-quarter George North and his young apprentice on the right wing, Louis Rees-Zammit.

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This little thriller of an encounter went right down to the wire, with two sides cherishing the ball like a precious jewel, rather than the snorefest witnessed at Twickenham where both sides reacted to their own possession like an ordnance disposal officer faced with a ticking time bomb.

Refereed with absolute empathy by the brilliant Wayne Barnes in near freezing conditions, the teams showed phase continuity, handling skills under pressure and an absolute desire to entertain.

Both teams can emerge with their heads held high after a dramatic and powerful spectacle. It’s a great shame there was no crowd to witness the last 10 minutes as there’s no doubt they’d have blown the roof off this magnificent stadium.

The Pivac way

Pivac was employed not only to coach Wales but to coach them in the style and attacking mould of the team he forged at Scarlets and today, the green shoots of Welsh recovery were clear to see.

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Firstly, Wales managed to create a stable platform at scrum time, no doubt in part down to the return to action of the talismanic Ken Owens at hooker, supported by a great shift from Player of the Match, Wyn Jones, and tighthead Tomas Francis. Secondly, they looked to play with width, with Owens and back-row pair Justin Tipuric and Taulupe Faletau making extra men in handling moves to create overlaps.

They might wonder about the solidity of their lineout, but as players react to Owens’ return this is an easy fix for Wales. Above all, they’ll be happy to be off the mark under their new head coach and even happier that they put on a performance that bears all the hallmarks of Pivac’s way.


Worthy Ireland

Despite playing 65 minutes with 14 men after flanker Peter O’Mahony was dismissed by Barnes for a clumsy clear-out on Tomas Francis, Ireland will take a lot from this game. The focus and control they displayed with a numerical mismatch for much of the fixture was a testimony to the experience and skill of veteran half-backs Conor Murray and Johnny Sexton, who allowed players to run off their shoulder and into first contact to create space outside.

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A lesser team may well have capitulated, especially when their woes were compounded when the huge figure of James Ryan left the field with concussion at the 30-minute mark, but they remained focused, intelligent and ambitious.

Who knows what may have happened had Billy Burns nailed his touch finder in the last minute; a win may have been slightly unfair on the excellence of Pivac’s Wales, but in the final analysis, there’s a lot Ireland can take from their performance today.

Old heads, new blood

It was somehow wonderfully symmetrical to see both North and Rees-Zammit score for Wales today. A case of teacher and his pupil, North has been a brilliant servant to Welsh rugby for almost a decade and is now flourishing in the outside centre berth, as his pace diminishes but his rugby IQ remains. His finishing off of Josh Navidi’s delicious offload for Wales’ first try of 2021 showed his nose for the line had not left him and his all-round display in his new position vindicated Pivac’s faith.

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On the right wing, it seems Rees-Zammit has finally arrived in Test rugby as his 68th minute try was finished with all the skill of an All Black three quarter. A big lad at some 17 stone and 6’3″, his take off Leigh Halfpenny to scamper over and then dot down under pressure and whilst being forced into touch was something very special indeed.

The big wing had a fantastic day to remember and his duel with James Lowe was a game within a game and one for the back play purists, both players putting in some thrilling runs and steps for their countries.

Lions watch

As the proposed British and Irish Lions tour gets ever closer, so selecting a 38-man party becomes ever more complex. With a lot of English players struggling to live up to their reputation yesterday, the door is wide open in many positions and Gatland will have been delighted in the displays put in by his favourite leader, Alun Wyn Jones, Dan Biggar at fly-half and the returning Owens and Navidi.

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Rees-Zammit lived up to his claims to being the Lions 2021 bolter and elsewhere, Halfpenny reminded us all just how crucial scoreboard ownership is at Test match level.

For Ireland, the spine of Murray, Sexton and Robbie Henshaw shone like beacons in terms of directness, effectiveness and control, with the big Leinster centre having one of his best games in an Irish shirt in a long time. With Lowe and Hugo Keenan also putting their hands up for selection, Warren Gatland will have learned a lot about his options today, and, for once, it’s all positive.

by James While”

https://www.planetrugby.com/five-takeaw ... x-nations/

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:43 am
by Floppykid
I think Ross Byrne would have turned in the same performance.
That's where we're at with Sexton.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:59 am
by Floppykid
YOYO wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:54 am
Floppykid wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:43 am I think Ross Byrne would have turned in the same performance.
That's where we're at with Sexton.
Possibly. He lacks running ability and the ball can die with him, but he seems durable. Plus he won’t annoy the refs and other players around him aka Sexton. Sexton is a leader though while Byrne seems a more quiet character. Would be great to have a vocal outhalf replacement though, one that guides the team, pushing the players on.
Sexton doesn't have any running ability at all at this point tbh.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:08 am
by Winnie
Floppykid wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:43 am I think Ross Byrne would have turned in the same performance.
That's where we're at with Sexton.
To be honest I dont think Rose Byrne would have been much worse

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:11 am
by DiscoHips D'Arcy
nardol wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:48 am so if sexton is gone... it will be burns i reckon... who hets brought in? Healy or Byrne jnr or snr?
I'd personally bring Byrne Jr in but in terms of Ulster 10s I'm not certain they have the correct one in the ireland squad. I only saw the ringrose head clash at HT. Have to wonder what the TMO was watching when he was supposed to be looking at that. Doesn't excuse POM though.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:14 am
by Floppykid
YOYO wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:02 am
Floppykid wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:59 am
YOYO wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:54 am
Floppykid wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:43 am I think Ross Byrne would have turned in the same performance.
That's where we're at with Sexton.
Possibly. He lacks running ability and the ball can die with him, but he seems durable. Plus he won’t annoy the refs and other players around him aka Sexton. Sexton is a leader though while Byrne seems a more quiet character. Would be great to have a vocal outhalf replacement though, one that guides the team, pushing the players on.
Sexton doesn't have any running ability at all at this point tbh.
Yeah sadly not these days, not unless the sea suddenly parts in front of him. Ross Byrne has minimal running ability as we know. Runs like a hen and a hen has no knees!
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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:36 am
by nardol
The TMO was Tom Foley, from South Wales.

The ringrose head smash from Williams was missed....

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:45 am
by SFBB
At this stage we can't think about trying to replace Sexton in order to get the most out of the 10 shirt, because he probably has the most personal impact on a game that any of the 10s would. It's about how we can improve the games of the midfield and outside backs by having 10 who can do the basics and allow them to take center stage.

Ross Byrne might not win games for Ireland, but he might steer us well enough to allow Ringrose or somebody else to win the game. Uninspiring selection, but thats where I am with the 10 shirt right now.

Hope James Lowe never gets picked ever again. Thats about as badly as an import can go, really. Shows no investment or commitment to the cause.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:31 am
by Anonymous 1
DOB wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:31 pm
camroc1 wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:28 pm
IBWT wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:26 pm Sexton is 36 in a few months. Feck it we all know it's ridiculous that he's still togging out for the national side. Who stays going at that age unless you are a gnarled second row forward like AWJ? That's old for a second row. For a back you're pretty much a fossil at that age.
Who do you replace him with ?
Any current provincial 10 except Burns?

Fcukit, at least JJ would take it to the line.
if Sexton is ruled out surely Burns is nailed on to replace him

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:59 am
by CM11
SFBB wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:45 am At this stage we can't think about trying to replace Sexton in order to get the most out of the 10 shirt, because he probably has the most personal impact on a game that any of the 10s would. It's about how we can improve the games of the midfield and outside backs by having 10 who can do the basics and allow them to take center stage.

Ross Byrne might not win games for Ireland, but he might steer us well enough to allow Ringrose or somebody else to win the game. Uninspiring selection, but thats where I am with the 10 shirt right now.

Hope James Lowe never gets picked ever again. Thats about as badly as an import can go, really. Shows no investment or commitment to the cause.
:roll:

What an utterly bizarre statement. The guy does seem to have issues when dealing with being outnumbered in defence but his work rate in general was excellent and he was at the heart of our attack throughout. He's not going to be a fixture if he can't improve his defence but not committed? Fúck off

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:07 am
by lemonhead
nardol wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:36 am The TMO was Tom Foley, from South Wales.

The ringrose head smash from Williams was missed....
Host nation TV directors have always been biased and/or bent. It's not specific to any country.

https://youtu.be/OYOrfsREYg4?t=3658

https://youtu.be/XKvm6MXdejE?t=5762

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:12 am
by CM11
Interesting stat for you, James Ryan was 6th on our tackle list and made more tackles than Hendo. Because Wales didn't play much ball our top tacklers were Stander and Beirne on 10 but Ryan had already made 7 before going off.

What was the story with MOM btw? Communication error and was meant to be AWJ?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:17 am
by Duff Paddy
Salanya wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:18 pm Half the reason Henshaw was so good, and why he was my motm, was because he was holding the scrum steady on the blindside. Ballsy, and he didn't look out of place.

I have to admit that with 7 against 8 in the scrum in the last 5 minutes or so, the Irish still held the Welsh, so perhaps the Welsh scrum was rather shite...

On other positives: it was great to see Beirne do so well. Interesting to see if he can perform like this against the French/English, but he has definitely earned the chance.

Both Furlong and Hendo came back from injury, slotted in well and looked matchfit. Porter was great.
Stander and VdF did very well as a 2-man backrow; nice to see Stander running over Faletau too.

Yes, we need better from Lowe in defence, but that boot is a real asset (especially seeing as both flyhalves had 'issues' with their kicking from hand).

And Keenan is proving himself to be as solid as Kearney, with a bit more of an attacking threat. :thumbup:
Would be a big mistake to play Beirne in the row against one of the big boy teams.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:17 am
by earl the beaver
CM11 wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:12 am Interesting stat for you, James Ryan was 6th on our tackle list and made more tackles than Hendo. Because Wales didn't play much ball our top tacklers were Stander and Beirne on 10 but Ryan had already made 7 before going off.

What was the story with MOM btw? Communication error and was meant to be AWJ?
It was Jiffy, he's always picking mad MOTMs

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:18 am
by Duff Paddy
CM11 wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:12 am Interesting stat for you, James Ryan was 6th on our tackle list and made more tackles than Hendo. Because Wales didn't play much ball our top tacklers were Stander and Beirne on 10 but Ryan had already made 7 before going off.

What was the story with MOM btw? Communication error and was meant to be AWJ?
I cannot believe that VDF didn’t hit double digits he was tackling all day

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:20 am
by DOB
What’s the prognosis on Ryan? If he’s fit, what odds on Beirne moving to 6 for POM, and a big backrow (Ruddock, Coombes, Conan, other) benching alongside Connors.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:21 am
by CM11
Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:18 am
CM11 wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:12 am Interesting stat for you, James Ryan was 6th on our tackle list and made more tackles than Hendo. Because Wales didn't play much ball our top tacklers were Stander and Beirne on 10 but Ryan had already made 7 before going off.

What was the story with MOM btw? Communication error and was meant to be AWJ?
I cannot believe that VDF didn’t hit double digits he was tackling all day
9 for him.

Wales made a ridiculous amount of tackles. 245 to our 110.

It really was a game we should have won.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:21 am
by danthefan
When does Farrell's contract expire?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:22 am
by CM11
DOB wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:20 am What’s the prognosis on Ryan? If he’s fit, what odds on Beirne moving to 6 for POM, and a big backrow (Ruddock, Coombes, Conan, other) benching alongside Connors.
Depends on whether we're picking the team or Farrell.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:22 am
by Duff Paddy
CM11 wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:21 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:18 am
CM11 wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:12 am Interesting stat for you, James Ryan was 6th on our tackle list and made more tackles than Hendo. Because Wales didn't play much ball our top tacklers were Stander and Beirne on 10 but Ryan had already made 7 before going off.

What was the story with MOM btw? Communication error and was meant to be AWJ?
I cannot believe that VDF didn’t hit double digits he was tackling all day
9 for him.

Wales made a ridiculous amount of tackles. 245 to our 110.

It really was a game we should have won.
We completely blew it

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:24 am
by Duff Paddy
danthefan wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:21 am When does Farrell's contract expire?
At least until the 2023 World Cup presumably

The team played really well yesterday. Farrell can’t be blamed for POM and all the other individual brain farts

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:28 am
by nardol
lemonhead wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:07 am
nardol wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:36 am The TMO was Tom Foley, from South Wales.

The ringrose head smash from Williams was missed....
Host nation TV directors have always been biased and/or bent. It's not specific to any country.

https://youtu.be/OYOrfsREYg4?t=3658

https://youtu.be/XKvm6MXdejE?t=5762
this wasnt an off the ball incident, ringrose had the ball... how do you miss that!?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:29 am
by DOB
Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:24 am
danthefan wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:21 am When does Farrell's contract expire?
At least until the 2023 World Cup presumably

The team played really well yesterday. Farrell can’t be blamed for POM and all the other individual brain farts
This. Gameplan, tactics, attacking structure were all spot on. The team were given everything they needed to go and win the game. Minor quibbles about a couple of veteran players aside, obvs.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:32 am
by lemonhead
nardol wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:28 am
lemonhead wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:07 am
nardol wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:36 am The TMO was Tom Foley, from South Wales.

The ringrose head smash from Williams was missed....
Host nation TV directors have always been biased and/or bent. It's not specific to any country.

https://youtu.be/OYOrfsREYg4?t=3658

https://youtu.be/XKvm6MXdejE?t=5762
this wasnt an off the ball incident, ringrose had the ball... how do you miss that!?
Neither of those were either, 1st sentence kinda covers it tbh.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:37 am
by Munster-fogs
DOB wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:29 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:24 am
danthefan wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:21 am When does Farrell's contract expire?
At least until the 2023 World Cup presumably

The team played really well yesterday. Farrell can’t be blamed for POM and all the other individual brain farts
This. Gameplan, tactics, attacking structure were all spot on. The team were given everything they needed to go and win the game. Minor quibbles about a couple of veteran players aside, obvs.
+1

It was a match winning performance had it not been for a few moments of madness from a couple of players.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:52 am
by Mullet 2
Floppykid wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:21 pm Sexton was shite today and isn't going to improve.
Enough apologetics for him.

He was standing at Byrne Snr. depth.
Apoligetics would be a great name for an 80s New Romantic band

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:55 am
by Mullet 2
Willie Falloon wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:31 pm
Floppykid wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:21 pm Sexton was shite today and isn't going to improve.
Enough apologetics for him.

He was standing at Byrne Snr. depth.
He has no acceleration left, it's sad. Burns is a waste of time, when all are fit he is the least talented player in the Ulster side, if Farrell wanted someone to close out a match and nail his kicks go for Madigan.

Some positives for me also.
Tight 5 were all exceptional I thought.
Henshaw
Ringrose (offload apart)
Kelleher came on and nailed his throws
Keenan

I always knew that under it all you were the right sort

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:56 am
by Luckycharmer
POMs red card came off a knock on advantage so if the Welsh player had turned over the ball it would have been an Irish Scrum so makes it even more stupid. :x :x
What was the game recently when he did the same thing when Munster scored a try he came in late and shouldered someone in the heard.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:02 am
by CM11
Sexton is really in the ROG final days period. Capable of still executing some stuff to a very high level but just not at the races in other areas.

Such a pity Jackson/Carbery went the way it did. We'd be very comfortable in that position if they were both live options.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:07 am
by Monk Zombie
Thought Ireland should have kept going instead of Sexton kicking the ball out at half time. Wales was taking strain right there

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:17 am
by CM11
Monk Zombie wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:07 am Thought Ireland should have kept going instead of Sexton kicking the ball out at half time. Wales was taking strain right there
Lowe saw space that wasn't there. Once he did that, kicking out made sense. We were on halfway, not set up properly and Wales had reset in defence.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:48 am
by alliswell
CM11 wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:02 am Sexton is really in the ROG final days period. Capable of still executing some stuff to a very high level but just not at the races in other areas.

Such a pity Jackson/Carbery went the way it did. We'd be very comfortable in that position if they were both live options.
Ah get up out of that he's nothing like end days ROG. At the very least he'll defend well and recycle ball in contact. He's old and tired but he's also a unit and doesn't need babysitting like ROG did towards the end