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hermie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:53 pm

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:59 pm

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:41 pm Unsurprisingly Jackman sounded off on Berti Newman and how the leinster academy is working at the moment on the42 rugby weekly podcast, starts at 43mins in: https://twitter.com/GavanCasey/status/1 ... 73634?s=20

Jackman said later in this that he has heard speculation that Andrew Porter will start at 1, with Healy on the bench at 18 vs the Bulls.

At 18 as in TH? With Vakh playing for the development side it does look like it, no?

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:02 pm Munster Development: Patrick Campbell (PBC)u20; Seán French (Cork Constitution FC), Alan Flannery (Shannon RFC), Darragh French (UCC)u20,Jamie Shanahan (Garryowen FC); Jack Crowley (Cork Constitution FC), Paddy Patterson (UCD); Mark Donnelly (Garryowen FC), Scott Buckley (UCC), James French (UCC); Eoin O’Connor (Young Munster), Paddy Kelly (Garryowen FC); Cian Hurley (Garryowen FC), Jack Daly (Garryowen FC), Alex Kendellen (UCC).

Replacements from: Dylan Murphy (Garryowen FC)u20, Alessandro Heaney (UCC)u20, Darragh McSweeney (Shannon RFC)u20, Edwin Edogbo (UCC)u20, Fearghail O’Donoghue (Cashel RFC), Adam Maher (Young Munster RFC), Tony Butler (Garryowen FC)u20, Alex Wood (Garryowen FC)u20, George Coomber (UCC)u20, John Forde (Cork Constitution FC), Daniel Okeke (Shannon RFC), Jack Delaney (Garryowen FC).

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:02 pm Munster Development: Patrick Campbell (PBC)u20; Seán French (Cork Constitution FC), Alan Flannery (Shannon RFC), Darragh French (UCC)u20,Jamie Shanahan (Garryowen FC); Jack Crowley (Cork Constitution FC), Paddy Patterson (UCD); Mark Donnelly (Garryowen FC), Scott Buckley (UCC), James French (UCC); Eoin O’Connor (Young Munster), Paddy Kelly (Garryowen FC); Cian Hurley (Garryowen FC), Jack Daly (Garryowen FC), Alex Kendellen (UCC).

Replacements from: Dylan Murphy (Garryowen FC)u20, Alessandro Heaney (UCC)u20, Darragh McSweeney (Shannon RFC)u20, Edwin Edogbo (UCC)u20, Fearghail O’Donoghue (Cashel RFC), Adam Maher (Young Munster RFC), Tony Butler (Garryowen FC)u20, Alex Wood (Garryowen FC)u20, George Coomber (UCC)u20, John Forde (Cork Constitution FC), Daniel Okeke (Shannon RFC), Jack Delaney (Garryowen FC).

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:51 pm Good to see Tom Stewart back to fit was.


Basically missed the last 18montha

Lazy Couch potato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:33 pm

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:02 pm Munster Development: Patrick Campbell (PBC)u20; Seán French (Cork Constitution FC), Alan Flannery (Shannon RFC), Darragh French (UCC)u20,Jamie Shanahan (Garryowen FC); Jack Crowley (Cork Constitution FC), Paddy Patterson (UCD); Mark Donnelly (Garryowen FC), Scott Buckley (UCC), James French (UCC); Eoin O’Connor (Young Munster), Paddy Kelly (Garryowen FC); Cian Hurley (Garryowen FC), Jack Daly (Garryowen FC), Alex Kendellen (UCC).

Replacements from: Dylan Murphy (Garryowen FC)u20, Alessandro Heaney (UCC)u20, Darragh McSweeney (Shannon RFC)u20, Edwin Edogbo (UCC)u20, Fearghail O’Donoghue (Cashel RFC), Adam Maher (Young Munster RFC), Tony Butler (Garryowen FC)u20, Alex Wood (Garryowen FC)u20, George Coomber (UCC)u20, John Forde (Cork Constitution FC), Daniel Okeke (Shannon RFC), Jack Delaney (Garryowen FC).

Any thoughts on whether flannery and french will be better than their respective brothers ?

Am I right in thinking James french at loosehead ? Cian Hurley certainly could be a prospect as a big lump.

I think Crowley and Patterson could get a good few minutes in proWhateverAndSaffers this year. Kelly and EOC are undoubtedly big enough whether they’ve elite aspects will be seen

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:41 pm Unsurprisingly Jackman sounded off on Berti Newman and how the leinster academy isn't working for everyone in leinster at the moment on the42 rugby weekly podcast, starts at 43mins in: https://twitter.com/GavanCasey/status/1 ... 73634?s=20

hermie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:53 pm

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:41 pm Unsurprisingly Jackman sounded off on Berti Newman and how the leinster academy isn't working for everyone in leinster at the moment on the42 rugby weekly podcast, starts at 43mins in: https://twitter.com/GavanCasey/status/1 ... 73634?s=20

Wow, obviously not a neutral party but that's seriously high praise. Best schools player he's seen in 20 years (so basically since Gordon D'arcy), the complete package, does things other players can't, wins games on his own etc etc etc. Apparently he's already impressing over at Bristol. How can you as a Leinster fan not be depressed at the thought of a player like that who came up through the system plying his trade elsewhere. Especially when added to the list of other players heading the same way.

hermie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:53 pm

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:41 pm Unsurprisingly Jackman sounded off on Berti Newman and how the leinster academy isn't working for everyone in leinster at the moment on the42 rugby weekly podcast, starts at 43mins in: https://twitter.com/GavanCasey/status/1 ... 73634?s=20

Wow, obviously not a neutral party but that's seriously high praise. Best schools player he's seen in 20 years (so basically since Gordon D'arcy), the complete package, does things other players can't, wins games on his own etc etc etc. Apparently he's already impressing over at Bristol. How can you as a Leinster fan not be depressed at the thought of a player like that who came up through the system plying his trade elsewhere. Especially when added to the list of other players heading the same way.

hermie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:53 pm

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:41 pm Unsurprisingly Jackman sounded off on Berti Newman and how the leinster academy isn't working for everyone in leinster at the moment on the42 rugby weekly podcast, starts at 43mins in: https://twitter.com/GavanCasey/status/1 ... 73634?s=20

Wow, obviously not a neutral party but that's seriously high praise. Best schools player he's seen in 20 years (so basically since Gordon D'arcy), the complete package, does things other players can't, wins games on his own etc etc etc. Apparently he's already impressing over at Bristol. How can you as a Leinster fan not be depressed at the thought of a player like that who came up through the system plying his trade elsewhere. Especially when added to the list of other players heading the same way.

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:50 pm

Lazy Couch potato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:33 pm

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:02 pm Munster Development: Patrick Campbell (PBC)u20; Seán French (Cork Constitution FC), Alan Flannery (Shannon RFC), Darragh French (UCC)u20,Jamie Shanahan (Garryowen FC); Jack Crowley (Cork Constitution FC), Paddy Patterson (UCD); Mark Donnelly (Garryowen FC), Scott Buckley (UCC), James French (UCC); Eoin O’Connor (Young Munster), Paddy Kelly (Garryowen FC); Cian Hurley (Garryowen FC), Jack Daly (Garryowen FC), Alex Kendellen (UCC).

Replacements from: Dylan Murphy (Garryowen FC)u20, Alessandro Heaney (UCC)u20, Darragh McSweeney (Shannon RFC)u20, Edwin Edogbo (UCC)u20, Fearghail O’Donoghue (Cashel RFC), Adam Maher (Young Munster RFC), Tony Butler (Garryowen FC)u20, Alex Wood (Garryowen FC)u20, George Coomber (UCC)u20, John Forde (Cork Constitution FC), Daniel Okeke (Shannon RFC), Jack Delaney (Garryowen FC).

Any thoughts on whether flannery and french will be better than their respective brothers ?

Am I right in thinking James french at loosehead ? Cian Hurley certainly could be a prospect as a big lump.

I think Crowley and Patterson could get a good few minutes in proWhateverAndSaffers this year. Kelly and EOC are undoubtedly big enough whether they’ve elite aspects will be seen

French is at TH.

Not sure on the brothers, maybe the frenches but thats a guess.

CM11 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:07 am

hermie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:04 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:51 am Hendo not being involved at all after an excellent six nations was odd tbf.

A little odd but competing against Itoje and the captain was always going to be tough. Lawes was also one of the better performing players on tour. It's tough for Hendo but hopefully, no less than Ryan, he can channel that frustration into a great season with Ireland. At least they won't be overly fatigued.

I think there was room to rotate him in to the side. Gatland messed up the second test selection. Should have replaced more of the pack and had his first choice pack fresher for the third test.

Conspicuous wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:49 pm

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:51 pm Good to see Tom Stewart back to fit was.


Basically missed the last 18montha

That’s a long stretch on the sidelines for a young lad . Series of injuries or one major one ?

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:14 pm

Conspicuous wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:49 pm

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:51 pm Good to see Tom Stewart back to fit was.


Basically missed the last 18montha

That’s a long stretch on the sidelines for a young lad . Series of injuries or one major one ?

No, he got fit again about this time last year and was apparently going to feature on the bench for Ulster as a 19 YO (he's a hooker) but got injured again, then missed the u20 6 nations in the summer and picked up something during the summer.

Top tier prospect.

Ulsters Red Hand wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:17 pm

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:14 pm

Conspicuous wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:49 pm

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:51 pm Good to see Tom Stewart back to fit was.


Basically missed the last 18montha

That’s a long stretch on the sidelines for a young lad . Series of injuries or one major one ?

No, he got fit again about this time last year and was apparently going to feature on the bench for Ulster as a 19 YO (he's a hooker) but got injured again, then missed the u20 6 nations in the summer and picked up something during the summer.

Top tier prospect.

So he had a series of injuries?

DeDoc wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:10 pm

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:03 pm (15-9) Ethan McIlroy, Robert Baloucoune, James Hume, Stuart McCloskey, Jacob Stockdale, Billy Burns, John Cooney;

(1-8) Andrew Warwick, Brad Roberts, Marty Moore, Alan O’Connor, Sam Carter (Capt.), Greg Jones, Sean Reidy, Nick Timoney.

Replacements: Rob Herring, Eric O’Sullivan, Tom O’Toole, Mick Kearney, Matty Rea, Nathan Doak, Mike Lowry, Will Addison.

Interesting selection. Bench front row is the stronger one it would appear - who is Brad Roberts?
Great to see Doak involved. Is Madigan injured, or has Lowry overtaken him in the pecking order for 10s?

Yer Man wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:22 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:07 am

hermie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:04 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:51 am Hendo not being involved at all after an excellent six nations was odd tbf.

A little odd but competing against Itoje and the captain was always going to be tough. Lawes was also one of the better performing players on tour. It's tough for Hendo but hopefully, no less than Ryan, he can channel that frustration into a great season with Ireland. At least they won't be overly fatigued.

I think there was room to rotate him in to the side. Gatland messed up the second test selection. Should have replaced more of the pack and had his first choice pack fresher for the third test.

Gatland's unwillingness to rotate the squad was a concern both in this series and back in New Zealand.
He only made 2 changes in the pack of that entire series (Itoje for Kruis and Warburton for POM) both after the first Test hammering.

Look back to the previous series in Oz where there were changes right through the series in the pack:
Fresh Hooker & Corbisiero back from injury at LH.
Parling replaced POC & Lydiate for Croft in the 2nd.
SOB in for an injured Warburton and Faletau in for Heaslip.
The two Jones boyos (Adam & Alun-Wyn) were the only forwards to start all three games.

Selection in subsequent series seemed to become paralysed.

hermie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:53 pm

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:41 pm Unsurprisingly Jackman sounded off on Berti Newman and how the leinster academy isn't working for everyone in leinster at the moment on the42 rugby weekly podcast, starts at 43mins in: https://twitter.com/GavanCasey/status/1 ... 73634?s=20

Wow, obviously not a neutral party but that's seriously high praise. Best schools player he's seen in 20 years (so basically since Gordon D'arcy), the complete package, does things other players can't, wins games on his own etc etc etc. Apparently he's already impressing over at Bristol. How can you as a Leinster fan not be depressed at the thought of a player like that who came up through the system plying his trade elsewhere. Especially when added to the list of other players heading the same way.

ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:02 am fair dues to rte looks like they're airing most/all of the irish team games of this new Celtic/Jay-Z rugby league ? will be interesting to see if he can inject some life into the league - this talk of rocnation trying to make it into a NBA type business model with focus on star players will be ehhh interesting ; not sure if anyone has told them there's 15 players on a rugby team before they starting firing t-shirts into the crowds and have kiss cams

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:17 am This won’t go down well. I can’t see it happening, but The best thing for the league is the bulls beating Leinster by a couple of Points tomorrow.

If the bulls get beat by 10-15 pts then what is the point of these South Africans

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:04 am

ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:02 am fair dues to rte looks like they're airing most/all of the irish team games of this new Celtic/Jay-Z rugby league ? will be interesting to see if he can inject some life into the league - this talk of rocnation trying to make it into a NBA type business model with focus on star players will be ehhh interesting ; not sure if anyone has told them there's 15 players on a rugby team before they starting firing t-shirts into the crowds and have kiss cams

if they slate the competition as much as they did the pro12/14/16 then the league doesn't stand much chance.

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:17 am This won’t go down well. I can’t see it happening, but The best thing for the league is the bulls beating Leinster by a couple of Points tomorrow.

If the bulls get beat by 10-15 pts then what is the point of these South Africans

Leinsterman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:09 am Wow, Leo is in his seventh year as head coach. Where the hell have the years gone?
Thornley does make a very valid point about the gnarly imported forward.

lemonhead wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:24 am

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:04 am

ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:02 am fair dues to rte looks like they're airing most/all of the irish team games of this new Celtic/Jay-Z rugby league ? will be interesting to see if he can inject some life into the league - this talk of rocnation trying to make it into a NBA type business model with focus on star players will be ehhh interesting ; not sure if anyone has told them there's 15 players on a rugby team before they starting firing t-shirts into the crowds and have kiss cams

if they slate the competition as much as they did the pro12/14/16 then the league doesn't stand much chance.

Kick Cooder off co comms and you're halway towards not slitting your wrists by half time

camroc1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:43 pm

hermie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:53 pm

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:41 pm Unsurprisingly Jackman sounded off on Berti Newman and how the leinster academy isn't working for everyone in leinster at the moment on the42 rugby weekly podcast, starts at 43mins in: https://twitter.com/GavanCasey/status/1 ... 73634?s=20

Wow, obviously not a neutral party but that's seriously high praise. Best schools player he's seen in 20 years (so basically since Gordon D'arcy), the complete package, does things other players can't, wins games on his own etc etc etc. Apparently he's already impressing over at Bristol. How can you as a Leinster fan not be depressed at the thought of a player like that who came up through the system plying his trade elsewhere. Especially when added to the list of other players heading the same way.

Johne Murphy, more like....

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:04 pm The Ulster rugby show on BBC 2 NI just started. Its on every week.

Tommy Bowe and Rory Best on as weekly guests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:48 am

camroc1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:43 pm

hermie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:53 pm

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:41 pm Unsurprisingly Jackman sounded off on Berti Newman and how the leinster academy isn't working for everyone in leinster at the moment on the42 rugby weekly podcast, starts at 43mins in: https://twitter.com/GavanCasey/status/1 ... 73634?s=20

Wow, obviously not a neutral party but that's seriously high praise. Best schools player he's seen in 20 years (so basically since Gordon D'arcy), the complete package, does things other players can't, wins games on his own etc etc etc. Apparently he's already impressing over at Bristol. How can you as a Leinster fan not be depressed at the thought of a player like that who came up through the system plying his trade elsewhere. Especially when added to the list of other players heading the same way.

Johne Murphy, more like....

Not having seen this kid play - actually I might have watched that Michaels game but can't remember - it seems wildly premature to make declarations like that.

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:20 am

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:17 am This won’t go down well. I can’t see it happening, but The best thing for the league is the bulls beating Leinster by a couple of Points tomorrow.

If the bulls get beat by 10-15 pts then what is the point of these South Africans

that would be best for the league.

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:49 am

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:04 pm The Ulster rugby show on BBC 2 NI just started. Its on every week.

Tommy Bowe and Rory Best on as weekly guests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo

BBC Norn Iron covers rugby with far more enthusiasm than RTÉ.

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:20 am

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:17 am This won’t go down well. I can’t see it happening, but The best thing for the league is the bulls beating Leinster by a couple of Points tomorrow.

If the bulls get beat by 10-15 pts then what is the point of these South Africans

that would be best for the league.

JoeyFantastic wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:43 pm

hermie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:53 pm

irishrugbyua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:41 pm Unsurprisingly Jackman sounded off on Berti Newman and how the leinster academy isn't working for everyone in leinster at the moment on the42 rugby weekly podcast, starts at 43mins in: https://twitter.com/GavanCasey/status/1 ... 73634?s=20

Wow, obviously not a neutral party but that's seriously high praise. Best schools player he's seen in 20 years (so basically since Gordon D'arcy), the complete package, does things other players can't, wins games on his own etc etc etc. Apparently he's already impressing over at Bristol. How can you as a Leinster fan not be depressed at the thought of a player like that who came up through the system plying his trade elsewhere. Especially when added to the list of other players heading the same way.

Newman is English qualified, and bizarrely, has already represented Chile in u18's rugby? Easy to see him slipping away from the Irish set up. I don't read Spanish but one of the linked tweets seems to say he's the son of a former Chilean player, can't be many of those playing pro.

https://twitter.com/T2Rugby/status/1441 ... 76364?s=20

Leinsterman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:09 am Wow, Leo is in his seventh year as head coach. Where the hell have the years gone?
Thornley does make a very valid point about the gnarly imported forward.