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It is now nearly mid May and the Rugby Championship schedule has not been released. At this stage there is no Rugby Championship and there are no confirmed tests for the All Blacks in 2021. What the f**k could be taking so long?

NZ and Australia are both operating in safe, low-COVID-19 environments, with full stadiums enjoying other sports. And yet international Rugby, which is the pinnacle of our game, has deserted the sporting environment. Mid Year tests against France, Italy and Fiji were announced for the All Blacks and Wallabies, but there has been no confirmation of dates.

What the f**k is SANZAAR actually doing right now? It's still an organisation and people are still being paid to do nothing. NZR and RA also need to sort their shit out. If the South Africans aren't able to play again because the NH clubs won't release them for quarantine, then we need a Plan B. It's simply not good enough that no scheduling has been announced at this late stage.
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The AB's are playing Wales in thr autumn.
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Nobody cares, brah. Except silver lake maybe.
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:41 pm Nobody cares, brah. Except silver lake maybe.
Enjoy watching the worst Lions tour ever, played in-front of soulless, empty stadiums :thumbup:
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Jeff the Bear wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:39 pm The AB's are playing Wales in thr autumn.
No dates confirmed yet. And with the current quarantine rules, I can't see the AB's playing in the NH anytime soon.
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The way the UK is going, the ABs should be right to tour there in the autumn.
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France & Italy games mid this year have been cancelled. We are supposed to be playing tests against Fiji and Samoa I believe. Then bledisloe and who knows what after that.

I agree the organisation is pitiful
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JPNZ wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 11:49 pm France & Italy games mid this year have been cancelled. We are supposed to be playing tests against Fiji and Samoa I believe. Then bledisloe and who knows what after that.

I agree the organisation is pitiful
When were those games officially cancelled? I follow NZ Rugby closely and I didn't know they'd been cancelled. What hope does the average fan have if highly invested people like myself didn't know?
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Yes, lads. We're all missing rugby but outside your borders people are getting sick and dying from Covid.
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sorCrer wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 7:15 am Yes, lads. We're all missing rugby but outside your borders people are getting sick and dying from Covid.
Yet he SARU is able to organise the financially lucrative Lions tour.

Please don't pretend the Springboks aren't playing in the RC because of public safety. They aren't coming because they haven't got access to their NH based players, and they don't want to send a South Africa based team because they would be flogged. The SARU would rather not turn up than lose. Of course they'll be demanding their cut of TV rights despite not playing.
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The demand is that the RC goes ahead which means travelling between multiple countries but OZ wants to lock up their own citizens who were playing cricket in India.
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sorCrer wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 7:37 am The demand is that the RC goes ahead which means travelling between multiple countries but OZ wants to lock up their own citizens who were playing cricket in India.
The series could easily be played in NZ or Australia, or both. Both countries have almost no community spread of the virus and there is free travel between the two. However SA and Arg would need to quarantine for two weeks. The SAU could easily send a team to play, but they won't have access to their NH based players and the arrogant cvnts don't want to send a team of locally based players. Stop lying and saying that their participation is about public safety. It's about not having access to your highly paid NH club players.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 7:43 am
sorCrer wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 7:37 am The demand is that the RC goes ahead which means travelling between multiple countries but OZ wants to lock up their own citizens who were playing cricket in India.
The series could easily be played in NZ or Australia, or both. Both countries have almost no community spread of the virus and there is free travel between the two. However SA and Arg would need to quarantine for two weeks. The SAU could easily send a team to play, but they won't have access to their NH based players and the arrogant cvnts don't want to send a team of locally based players. Stop lying and saying that their participation is about public safety. It's about not having access to your highly paid NH club players.
You've become very aggressive for the board's most decorated MVP. :(
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Easy fix. Have a Tri-Nations and split the revenue 3-ways. Hopefully the boks will be allowed out by the RWC.
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If the Boks win Lions series, they’ll send a “weaker”, local-player based team to the less important 4N. If they lose, we’ll duck the tournament.

Happy AC?
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Is there a cut off for confirming teams?
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Ali's Choice wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 11:57 pm
JPNZ wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 11:49 pm France & Italy games mid this year have been cancelled. We are supposed to be playing tests against Fiji and Samoa I believe. Then bledisloe and who knows what after that.

I agree the organisation is pitiful
When were those games officially cancelled? I follow NZ Rugby closely and I didn't know they'd been cancelled. What hope does the average fan have if highly invested people like myself didn't know?
Today apparently
Italy's rugby team won't tour New Zealand in July due to concerns around travelling during the Covid-19 pandemic. Reuters reports Italy has officially cancelled the two test matches against the All Blacks.

It said the cancellation had left New Zealand Rugby "scrambling" to save its July test window, trying to line up games against Fiji and Samoa.

"After constructive consultations between our federations and health authorities, to our deep regret, the current conditions made it preferable to concentrate energies at home ahead of the autumn series," FIR President Marzio Innocenti said in a statement.
If France are indeed coming to Australia then maybe they can do NZ as well... who knows?
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What a joke. Why hadn't this been organised earlier given travel access and quarantine to and from Italy hasn't changed much in 12 months. The NZR board has been more focused on securing their private equity deal than organising actual tests. Nice gig for Ian Foster, he gets paid a million dollars this year to do very little.
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This year we’re having:

North vs South
West vs East
Evens vs Odds
City vs Country
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I would rather watch a three match North vs South series than a series against local PI based players, which would be very lopsided.

How would a Australian Indigenous vs NZ Maori match work? Are their 23 indigenous senior Rugby players in Australia to select?
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I have a horrible feeling Lions is going to get called off at the last minute. :(
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 5:28 am What a joke. Why hadn't this been organised earlier given travel access and quarantine to and from Italy hasn't changed much in 12 months. The NZR board has been more focused on securing their private equity deal than organising actual tests. Nice gig for Ian Foster, he gets paid a million dollars this year to do very little.
The Italians have said it about travelling during the pandemic, not about acess or quarantine. Not sure how looking at PE deal has made a difference. Haven't Ireland not also pulled the plug on tour to Fiji?
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Dan54. wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:22 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 5:28 am What a joke. Why hadn't this been organised earlier given travel access and quarantine to and from Italy hasn't changed much in 12 months. The NZR board has been more focused on securing their private equity deal than organising actual tests. Nice gig for Ian Foster, he gets paid a million dollars this year to do very little.
The Italians have said it about travelling during the pandemic, not about acess or quarantine. Not sure how looking at PE deal has made a difference. Haven't Ireland not also pulled the plug on tour to Fiji?
Travel in quarantine involves lots of things. The issue is that their players won't be able to quarantine for two weeks within the WR test window. The Irish will face the same problem. We've known about quarantine for 12 months and I simply cannot understand why nothing has been organised.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 5:28 am What a joke. Why hadn't this been organised earlier given travel access and quarantine to and from Italy hasn't changed much in 12 months. The NZR board has been more focused on securing their private equity deal than organising actual tests. Nice gig for Ian Foster, he gets paid a million dollars this year to do very little.
That’s his reality whether the AB’s play one test in the year or 15 though isn’t it?
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JB1981 wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:34 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 5:28 am What a joke. Why hadn't this been organised earlier given travel access and quarantine to and from Italy hasn't changed much in 12 months. The NZR board has been more focused on securing their private equity deal than organising actual tests. Nice gig for Ian Foster, he gets paid a million dollars this year to do very little.
That’s his reality whether the AB’s play one test in the year or 15 though isn’t it?
:lol:
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 5:54 am I would rather watch a three match North vs South series than a series against local PI based players, which would be very lopsided.

How would a Australian Indigenous vs NZ Maori match work? Are their 23 indigenous senior Rugby players in Australia to select?
Just about, assuming you get all the pros from around the world.

1. Cody walker
2. Robbie Abel
3. Charlie Abel
4. Richie Arnold
5. Rory Arnold
6. ?
7. Colby Faainga
8. Jordy Goddard
9. Moses Sorovi
10. Kurtley Beale
11. John Porch
12. Ant Faainga
13. Will chambers (although is he back to League now?)
14. Andy Muirhead
15. Maurice Longbottom
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Zakar wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:44 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 5:54 am I would rather watch a three match North vs South series than a series against local PI based players, which would be very lopsided.

How would a Australian Indigenous vs NZ Maori match work? Are their 23 indigenous senior Rugby players in Australia to select?
Just about, assuming you get all the pros from around the world.

1. Cody walker
2. Robbie Abel
3. Charlie Abel
4. Richie Arnold
5. Rory Arnold
6. ?
7. Colby Faainga
8. Jordy Goddard
9. Moses Sorovi
10. Kurtley Beale
11. John Porch
12. Ant Faainga
13. Will chambers (although is he back to League now?)
14. Andy Muirhead
15. Maurice Longbottom
Maybe Maori vs Indigenous wouldn't work? How about Maori vs Australia Pasifika?
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:45 am
Zakar wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:44 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 5:54 am I would rather watch a three match North vs South series than a series against local PI based players, which would be very lopsided.

How would a Australian Indigenous vs NZ Maori match work? Are their 23 indigenous senior Rugby players in Australia to select?
Just about, assuming you get all the pros from around the world.

1. Cody walker
2. Robbie Abel
3. Charlie Abel
4. Richie Arnold
5. Rory Arnold
6. ?
7. Colby Faainga
8. Jordy Goddard
9. Moses Sorovi
10. Kurtley Beale
11. John Porch
12. Ant Faainga
13. Will chambers (although is he back to League now?)
14. Andy Muirhead
15. Maurice Longbottom
Maybe Maori vs Indigenous wouldn't work? How about Maori vs Australia Pasifika?
How about aiming for something that is a bit more inclusive rather than race based?
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An anti-vaxxer XV with Clogs as captain?
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:45 am
Zakar wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:44 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 5:54 am I would rather watch a three match North vs South series than a series against local PI based players, which would be very lopsided.

How would a Australian Indigenous vs NZ Maori match work? Are their 23 indigenous senior Rugby players in Australia to select?
Just about, assuming you get all the pros from around the world.

1. Cody walker
2. Robbie Abel
3. Charlie Abel
4. Richie Arnold
5. Rory Arnold
6. ?
7. Colby Faainga
8. Jordy Goddard
9. Moses Sorovi
10. Kurtley Beale
11. John Porch
12. Ant Faainga
13. Will chambers (although is he back to League now?)
14. Andy Muirhead
15. Maurice Longbottom
Maybe Maori vs Indigenous wouldn't work? How about Maori vs Australia Pasifika?
Hmm. Assuming like the Maori you don't pick the Wallaby squad, so I've excluded people in the PONI squad and local players only.

1. Sio
2. BPA
3. Faukner
4. TTT
5. Leota
6. Stowers
7. Brown
8. Nasarani
9. Lomani
10. Pasitoa
11. Pulu
12. Taefu
13. Parisse
14. Kata
15. Placid
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:57 am An anti-vaxxer XV with Clogs as captain?
Vs the pro China regime XV with AC as dear leader?
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:38 am
JB1981 wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:34 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 5:28 am What a joke. Why hadn't this been organised earlier given travel access and quarantine to and from Italy hasn't changed much in 12 months. The NZR board has been more focused on securing their private equity deal than organising actual tests. Nice gig for Ian Foster, he gets paid a million dollars this year to do very little.
That’s his reality whether the AB’s play one test in the year or 15 though isn’t it?
:lol:
:lol: :thumbup:

Unusual of me to initially miss a post bagging Ian Foster.
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So many bad ideas. It’s again up to me to sort this shit out.

If the price is right, Towny’s Toe Cutting Taipans will challenge the ABs to a series, which if we win, expect to receive 12.5% of the commercial rights of NZR in perpetuity. Only unwanted Australian players without club commitments and others hanging around in Oz club footy will be considered so no one from the PONI:

1. Tom Robertson
2. Jordan Uelese
3. The Caboose
4. Rory Arnold
5. Isaac Rodda
6. Ned Hanigan
7. Sean McMahon
8. Will Miller
9. Will Genia
10. Quade Cooper (c)
11. Luke Morahan
12. Samu Kerevi
13. The White Parisse
14. Mark Nawaqanitawase
15. Jack Maddocks

16. BPA
17. Greg Holmes
18. Moeaki Fotuaiki
19. Fergus Lee Warner
20. Jack Dempsey
21. Joe Powell
22. Will Harrison
23. James Ramm
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:28 am
Dan54. wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:22 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 5:28 am What a joke. Why hadn't this been organised earlier given travel access and quarantine to and from Italy hasn't changed much in 12 months. The NZR board has been more focused on securing their private equity deal than organising actual tests. Nice gig for Ian Foster, he gets paid a million dollars this year to do very little.
The Italians have said it about travelling during the pandemic, not about acess or quarantine. Not sure how looking at PE deal has made a difference. Haven't Ireland not also pulled the plug on tour to Fiji?
Travel in quarantine involves lots of things. The issue is that their players won't be able to quarantine for two weeks within the WR test window. The Irish will face the same problem. We've known about quarantine for 12 months and I simply cannot understand why nothing has been organised.
Yep I not quite sure how. Would of been good if they could of sorted something out , Jacinda and her bunch not keen on sorting it out for sports teams at times.
Anyway I thought it was just the Ities just thought it all too hard, same as Irish, and had impression they were more or less looking for an excuse to pull plug. Still wouldn't surprise me if Lion's tour gets pulled, or even Olympics .
But c'est la vie to be honest Italy or Fiji/Samoa are not going to make a huge difference to me, they are all only really training run tests! As you siad earlier ,I would rather throw a North/South game in there.
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The Irish aren't touring because again their players would need to quarantine, and they don't make a cent from touring so why bother? Hopefully NZR respond in kind and don't bother touring the NH. This tit-for-tat non-touring will be quite dangerous if left unchecked. In theory it should make longer tours more attractive as it makes a two week quarantine period more worthwhile.
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This probably explains why Italy aren't coming. Travel advice from Italian government until July 31st

TRAVEL ABROAD AND FROM ABROAD TO ITALY

In view of the prevailing healthcare scenario, Italian citizens are discouraged to travel abroad except for reasons of necessity.

There are also strong restrictions for traveling from abroad towards Italy.

In case you are still planning to travel to Italy from a foreign country, you need to refer to the rules and restrictions listed on “Focus: Italian citizens re-entering Italy and foreigners in Italy” of the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
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Dan54. wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 11:41 pm This probably explains why Italy aren't coming. Travel advice from Italian government until July 31st

TRAVEL ABROAD AND FROM ABROAD TO ITALY

In view of the prevailing healthcare scenario, Italian citizens are discouraged to travel abroad except for reasons of necessity.

There are also strong restrictions for traveling from abroad towards Italy.

In case you are still planning to travel to Italy from a foreign country, you need to refer to the rules and restrictions listed on “Focus: Italian citizens re-entering Italy and foreigners in Italy” of the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
The Italian Rugby team travelled during the 6N. Italian football clubs are travelling as part of their European club commitments. The difference is the two week quarantine period to visit NZ or Australia.
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Clogs wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 7:25 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:57 am An anti-vaxxer XV with Clogs as captain?
Vs the pro China regime XV with AC as dear leader?
When did pro-China become the opposite of anti-vaxxer?

Geopolitics is getting a bit confusing.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 3:12 am
Dan54. wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 11:41 pm This probably explains why Italy aren't coming. Travel advice from Italian government until July 31st

TRAVEL ABROAD AND FROM ABROAD TO ITALY

In view of the prevailing healthcare scenario, Italian citizens are discouraged to travel abroad except for reasons of necessity.

There are also strong restrictions for traveling from abroad towards Italy.

In case you are still planning to travel to Italy from a foreign country, you need to refer to the rules and restrictions listed on “Focus: Italian citizens re-entering Italy and foreigners in Italy” of the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
The Italian Rugby team travelled during the 6N. Italian football clubs are travelling as part of their European club commitments. The difference is the two week quarantine period to visit NZ or Australia.
You obviously don't understand the Italians, they don't consider Europe as abroad! They seem to almost only consider abroad as outside what was EEC.
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Dan54. wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 6:02 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 3:12 am
Dan54. wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 11:41 pm This probably explains why Italy aren't coming. Travel advice from Italian government until July 31st

TRAVEL ABROAD AND FROM ABROAD TO ITALY

In view of the prevailing healthcare scenario, Italian citizens are discouraged to travel abroad except for reasons of necessity.

There are also strong restrictions for traveling from abroad towards Italy.

In case you are still planning to travel to Italy from a foreign country, you need to refer to the rules and restrictions listed on “Focus: Italian citizens re-entering Italy and foreigners in Italy” of the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
The Italian Rugby team travelled during the 6N. Italian football clubs are travelling as part of their European club commitments. The difference is the two week quarantine period to visit NZ or Australia.
You obviously don't understand the Italians, they don't consider Europe as abroad! They seem to almost only consider abroad as outside what was EEC.
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