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Chuckles living up to his Theon alterego of being a whiney bitch with no balls.

nardol wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:There may never be anything funnier than people accusing me of trying to be offended while clutching their pearls because I took issue with DK pretending that there weren't any black people in Europe in the medieval period

It was hilarious how much you got / have your knickers in a twist.

Are the moors in spain black?

What exactly makes you think my knickers are twisted in any way whatsoever?

Sure race manipulation in the media is only spivvery taken to the next level.

What gets us more money? great lets change the NTHCSBH on that basis.
What actors sells better? Great lets get some more white faces in there.

In conclusion - by letting McCuntery and Wray have their way with the Heineken cup the English rugby community is part of the ... what was the term... media race manipulation



Sheesh what a bla..... whitewash!

Chuckles1188 wrote:

nardol wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:There may never be anything funnier than people accusing me of trying to be offended while clutching their pearls because I took issue with DK pretending that there weren't any black people in Europe in the medieval period

It was hilarious how much you got / have your knickers in a twist.

Are the moors in spain black?

What exactly makes you think my knickers are twisted in any way whatsoever?

Perhaps its the impressive trail of sand falling from ur vagina over DKs outrageous comment that there wasnt many black folk in europe 1000 years ago

Black actors would like to be cast in things. Doesn't seem like the most outrageous request in the world to me, but obviously them asking for it is something something the downfall of western civilisation

Chuckles1188 wrote:Black actors would like to be cast in things. Doesn't seem like the most outrageous request in the world to me, but obviously them asking for it is something something the downfall of western civilisation

Nice try - no one said that. Just pointed out the demographics of the society that the show is based on (and the fact there have been several actors in GOT) and how Boyega sounds like an idiot for saying what he said. No "larger conflict of civilisation" in my post other than critiquing a stupid comment by someone who is wholly uneducated on what he is talking about

tabascoboy wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:

Sidney Parade wrote:

Beaver_Shark wrote:

Sidney Parade wrote:...


Havnt been following closely enough to understand wtf the prisoner/??? with Samwell at the end was up to and where that all fits in?

Did you see his arm? That is full-set greyscale on that man.
The fact that he was also asking about Daenerys means it could only be Jorah Mormont. And I assume that is the Citadel hospital he is in and not prison.

Makes a lot more sense than anyhthing I could come up with

Definitely his voice.

Thought the Jorah thing was pretty obvious?

And with The Hound seeing things in the flames as Melissandre did suggests he could actually become her prophesied Warrior of Light that she thought Stannis was?

Amen

And it's not the same thing as TPTWP. Something a lot of people assume.

DragonKhan wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:Black actors would like to be cast in things. Doesn't seem like the most outrageous request in the world to me, but obviously them asking for it is something something the downfall of western civilisation

Nice try - no one said that. Just pointed out the demographics of the society that the show is based on (and the fact there have been several actors in GOT) and how Boyega sounds like an idiot for saying what he said. No "larger conflict of civilisation" in my post other than critiquing a stupid comment by someone who is wholly uneducated on what he is talking about

The demographics of the society that the show is based on are why what you said was so dumb. There were black people in medieval Europe, so "it's based on medieval Europe" is a terrible criticism of what Boyega said. A much better one would have been that there are black people in Game of Thrones. But you didn't say that in the post I responded to, did you?

CrazyIslander wrote:

croyals wrote:Sansa is going to fuck everything for everyone, isn't she?

Disagree. I think she is going to be important for Jon. She predicted what was gonna happen at the battle of the bastards. She clearly supports Jon. I like what she's become.

It's going to take a lot of work for her to pull his head out of his ass so you can't blame her for getting frustrated.

Just as an information request - were all the most of the actors in scenes in Essos not a bit more middle eastern / black looking?

Or were they white actors blacked up?

Leinsterman wrote:Somebody must be having a really quiet Tuesday morning in work.

If this is addressed to me, I am on leave

I like realism in serious historical or period dramas. GOT falls into that category. I'm sorry, but I want the casting to represent the period of time or it loses it's legitimacy. Fortunately, GOT has adhered to this. There are PLENTY of non-white characters and extras over in Essos (which is based losely on North Africa or the ME).

nardol wrote:Just as an information request - were all the most of the actors in scenes in Essos not a bit more middle eastern / black looking?

Or were they white actors blacked up?

Not the best quality image but these look like middle eastern people to me



Be interesting to see if Nathalie Emmanuel or Jacob Anderson respond to Boyega on this point actually

Chuckles1188 wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:Somebody must be having a really quiet Tuesday morning in work.

If this is addressed to me, I am on leave

Glad you're putting your annual leave to good use

Chuck

There's an area called the Summer Isles which is based on Africa (where Hota is from), but this place hasn't featured greatly in the series. Essos, as I said, is based on MENA. Which is why they they all look middle eastern. I say they're doing the demographics SPOT ON.

Chuckles1188 wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:Somebody must be having a really quiet Tuesday morning in work.

If this is addressed to me, I am on leave

Nice of your work to give you time off for PMS

There are black characters in GoT

Areo Hotah, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, Grey Worm, Missandei, Malko, Salladhor Saan just to name a few

Hawk97 wrote:Chuck

There's an area called the Summer Isles which is based on Africa (where Hota is from), but this place hasn't featured greatly in the series. Essos, as I said, is based on MENA. Which is why they they all look middle eastern. I say they're doing the demographics SPOT ON.

So do I, 99% of the time.

Hawk97 wrote:You can always trust a SJW to derail something good

trust an SJW.





That's how to derail shit.

Hawk97 wrote:I like realism in serious historical or period dramas. GOT falls into that category. I'm sorry, but I want the casting to represent the period of time or it loses it's legitimacy. Fortunately, GOT has adhered to this. There are PLENTY of non-white characters and extras over in Essos (which is based losely on North Africa or the ME).

Dragons.

deadduck wrote:There are black characters in GoT

Areo Hotah, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, Grey Worm, Missandei, Malko, Salladhor Saan just to name a few

I believe Areo was a Scandi type in the books, proving that the tv show is less wacist.

Hawk97 wrote:I like realism in serious historical or period dramas. GOT falls into that category. I'm sorry, but I want the casting to represent the period of time or it loses it's legitimacy. Fortunately, GOT has adhered to this. There are PLENTY of non-white characters and extras over in Essos (which is based losely on North Africa or the ME).

Serious, certainly. Historical or period? Not really

Can we ban Chuckles from this thread so he stops derailing it please?

Is it not ok for majority white countries to cast majority white actors? Just like majority black countries do the same?

I get the US being different in this case but we are getting to the stage where a minority with 25% of the demographics is demanding 50/50 representation. If performances/stories merit such casting no problemmo but this whole issue is jumping the shark.

Where are all the blackwalkers

Leinsterman wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:Somebody must be having a really quiet Tuesday morning in work.

If this is addressed to me, I am on leave

Glad you're putting your annual leave to good use

He never said it was annual leave

nardol wrote:Is it not ok for majority white countries to cast majority white actors? Just like majority black countries do the same?

I get the US being different in this case but we are getting to the stage where a minority with 25% of the demographics is demanding 50/50 representation. If performances/stories merit such casting no problemmo but this whole issue is jumping the shark.

I think it's reasonable to have a discussion about it at the very least. The group which tends to be at the heart of complaints about whitewashing or whatever you want to call it is "actors of the ethnic group getting left out", and in this case John Boyega is certainly a member of the relevant group. Since much of the logic around the big issues in modern politics is based on people getting left behind, and there's a general acceptance that people getting left behind is a bad thing, I think it's fair, on its own merits, for actors who struggle to get parts on the basis of their skin colour to make some noise about that.

For another example of the way this is an issue in Hollywood, look at the casting for the live action Aladdin film - basically they've looked at tests for about 5,000 people and gone "it's really hard to find a compelling non-white male lead who can sing as well as act", whereas when casting Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter they looked at tests for over 40,000 people. How much effort people are willing to put into finding the right person seems to flex a bit where skin colour is concerned.

Where I'd take issue in particular with your post is when you put numbers on it. If we were at as much as 40/60 roles for black people then I think your objection would be an entirely valid one, but we ain't there yet, so complaining about what happens when we massively overrrepresent black people in fiction is a bit like complaining about what happens when we've solved death and have to find somewhere to put all the people who aren't dead any more.

I have no issue with black people campaigning to get a fairer shake in getting jobs in the film and TV worlds, though I also agree that Boyega's assertion that there are no black people in Game of Thrones is, uh, obviously wrong. And he's probably done his cause some damage through that, which is a shame

Duff Paddy wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

Leinsterman wrote:Somebody must be having a really quiet Tuesday morning in work.

If this is addressed to me, I am on leave

Glad you're putting your annual leave to good use

He never said it was annual leave

It's not, it's TOIL

You and I obviously see TOIL very differently

Here's his quote Chuckles

Speaking to GQ, the 25-year-old said: 'There are no black people on Game of Thrones. You don’t see one black person in Lord of the Rings. I ain’t paying money to always see one type of person on-screen!'

He's a race hustler looking to cause division with ignorant comments.

He even went after LOTR

nardol wrote:Is it not ok for majority white countries to cast majority white actors? Just like majority black countries do the same?

I get the US being different in this case but we are getting to the stage where a minority with 25% of the demographics is demanding 50/50 representation. If performances/stories merit such casting no problemmo but this whole issue is jumping the shark.

Black people make up about 3.5% of the populations of the UK and France.

DragonKhan wrote:Here's his quote Chuckles

Speaking to GQ, the 25-year-old said: 'There are no black people on Game of Thrones. You don’t see one black person in Lord of the Rings. I ain’t paying money to always see one type of person on-screen!'

He's a race hustler looking to cause division with ignorant comments.

He even went after LOTR

what's this bullshit?

alliswell wrote:

DragonKhan wrote:Here's his quote Chuckles

Speaking to GQ, the 25-year-old said: 'There are no black people on Game of Thrones. You don’t see one black person in Lord of the Rings. I ain’t paying money to always see one type of person on-screen!'

He's a race hustler looking to cause division with ignorant comments.

He even went after LOTR

what's this bullshit?

He is making a race issue that is not there in order to project to his own demographic

I'm very wary of people who drop creepy newspeak like that as if it's normal conversation.

DragonKhan wrote:Here's his quote Chuckles

Speaking to GQ, the 25-year-old said: 'There are no black people on Game of Thrones. You don’t see one black person in Lord of the Rings. I ain’t paying money to always see one type of person on-screen!'

He's a race hustler looking to cause division with ignorant comments.

He even went after LOTR

I know what he said. It was wrong. Although only about GoT, LOTR is entirely fair.

Fantasy fiction and black people are always going to struggle because fantasy fiction (thanks to Tolkien) exists in most people's heads, including the writers', as "a bunch of white people running around with elves and shit in some vaguely pre-Tudor English analogue". That means trying to insert more black people into it would require messing with the source material, which nerds react to the way caesium reacts to water. The only satisfactory way forward is for fantasy authors to stop treating LOTR as the source code for their fiction, and we're seeing that start to happen (hell, Ursule LeGuin started the trend in the late 60s, to little immediate effect) but there's plenty more scope for improvement.

I don't know John Boyega nearly well enough (and neither, I strongly suspect, do you) for either of us to be able to make an accurate assessment of whether he is a "race hustler", or just a not-terribly-well informed young man who wants to see his BME peers get more paying work in the acting world. My instinct is the latter, yours obviously is the former. I won't speculate on where the difference comes from, but if you're entirely honest you'll agree that you don't really know what's going on in his mind. Personally I find Hanlon's Razor a constant comfort. In my experience when people say stupid shit it's generally because everyone is prone to stupidity now and again, not because of some kind of grift

EverReady wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:You and I obviously see TOIL very differently

'oh I worked a bit late. I better get the day off. And by the way I am not using my TOIL when i don't bother my arse turning up on time.'

I know TOIL. I may be also on TOIL today

Chuckles1188 wrote:

DragonKhan wrote:Here's his quote Chuckles

Speaking to GQ, the 25-year-old said: 'There are no black people on Game of Thrones. You don’t see one black person in Lord of the Rings. I ain’t paying money to always see one type of person on-screen!'

He's a race hustler looking to cause division with ignorant comments.

He even went after LOTR

I know what he said. It was wrong. Although only about GoT, LOTR is entirely fair.

Fantasy fiction and black people are always going to struggle because fantasy fiction (thanks to Tolkien) exists in most people's heads, including the writers', as "a bunch of white people running around with elves and shit in some vaguely pre-Tudor English analogue". That means trying to insert more black people into it would require messing with the source material, which nerds react to the way caesium reacts to water. The only satisfactory way forward is for fantasy authors to stop treating LOTR as the source code for their fiction, and we're seeing that start to happen (hell, Ursule LeGuin started the trend in the late 60s, to little immediate effect) but there's plenty more scope for improvement.

I don't know John Boyega nearly well enough (and neither, I strongly suspect, do you) for either of us to be able to make an accurate assessment of whether he is a "race hustler", or just a not-terribly-well informed young man who wants to see his BME peers get more paying work in the acting world. My instinct is the latter, yours obviously is the former. I won't speculate on where the difference comes from, but if you're entirely honest you'll agree that you don't really know what's going on in his mind. Personally I find Hanlon's Razor a constant comfort. In my experience when people say stupid shit it's generally because everyone is prone to stupidity now and again, not because of some kind of grift

All the orcs were maori lads

Martin has said that his work is loosely based on the War of the Roses. That is medieval England, and that was 99% white.

Anyway, the real question is "where are all the asians". They're the ones that are never represented (if anything, black people are over represented in modern tv/movies)

nardol wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

DragonKhan wrote:Here's his quote Chuckles

Speaking to GQ, the 25-year-old said: 'There are no black people on Game of Thrones. You don’t see one black person in Lord of the Rings. I ain’t paying money to always see one type of person on-screen!'

He's a race hustler looking to cause division with ignorant comments.

He even went after LOTR

I know what he said. It was wrong. Although only about GoT, LOTR is entirely fair.

Fantasy fiction and black people are always going to struggle because fantasy fiction (thanks to Tolkien) exists in most people's heads, including the writers', as "a bunch of white people running around with elves and shit in some vaguely pre-Tudor English analogue". That means trying to insert more black people into it would require messing with the source material, which nerds react to the way caesium reacts to water. The only satisfactory way forward is for fantasy authors to stop treating LOTR as the source code for their fiction, and we're seeing that start to happen (hell, Ursule LeGuin started the trend in the late 60s, to little immediate effect) but there's plenty more scope for improvement.

I don't know John Boyega nearly well enough (and neither, I strongly suspect, do you) for either of us to be able to make an accurate assessment of whether he is a "race hustler", or just a not-terribly-well informed young man who wants to see his BME peers get more paying work in the acting world. My instinct is the latter, yours obviously is the former. I won't speculate on where the difference comes from, but if you're entirely honest you'll agree that you don't really know what's going on in his mind. Personally I find Hanlon's Razor a constant comfort. In my experience when people say stupid shit it's generally because everyone is prone to stupidity now and again, not because of some kind of grift

All the orcs were maori lads

And if members of ethnic minorities never aspired to be anything more than villainous cannon fodder then that would be the end of the discussion, but I suspect a lot of young black men grew up watching Sidney Poitier and hoped they could recreate and/or build on his success instead of getting relegated to "dirty brown man worshipping the white female lead No. 4,592"

Hawk97 wrote:I like realism in serious historical or period dramas. GOT falls into that category. I'm sorry, but I want the casting to represent the period of time or it loses it's legitimacy. Fortunately, GOT has adhered to this. There are PLENTY of non-white characters and extras over in Essos (which is based losely on North Africa or the ME).

Mate