Achtung supporters of the spiv model

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:09 pm

Enjoying the World Cup?

fatcat · Post by **fatcat** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:11 pm

I don't watch football. Could you explain what you mean please?

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:12 pm

fatcat wrote:I don't watch football. Could you explain what you mean please?

CNN told me that some guy called Suarez just bitch slapped England

fatcat · Post by **fatcat** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:13 pm

Relevance?

Crash_12 · Post by **Crash_12** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:15 pm

fatcat wrote:I don't watch football. Could you explain what you mean please?

It's an odd one alright. All I see is tears.

--DD-- · Post by **--DD--** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:21 pm

Everywhere I go in this country I see soccer jerseys, soccer pitches , and hundreds of thousands of scrawny malnourished looking chav soccer hooligan types. The country is OBSESSED with this grotty working class habit.

And yet they are SHIT at it

They just got dumped out of the World Cup by an impoverished third world nation of less than 3 million people. How humiliating.

Winnie · Post by **Winnie** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:25 pm

--DD-- wrote:Everywhere I go in this country I see soccer jerseys, soccer pitches , and hundreds of thousands of scrawny malnourished looking chav soccer hooligan types. The country is OBSESSED with this grotty working class habit.

And yet they are SHIT at it

They just got dumped out of the World Cup by an impoverished third world nation of less than 3 million people. How humiliating.

This is what happens when you rent out one bedroom flats in tower hamlets
You should aim higher in your career and you can mix with a better class of people

fatcat · Post by **fatcat** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:26 pm

--DD-- wrote:Everywhere I go in this country I see soccer jerseys, soccer pitches , and hundreds of thousands of scrawny malnourished looking chav soccer hooligan types. The country is OBSESSED with this grotty working class habit.

And yet they are SHIT at it

They just got dumped out of the World Cup by an impoverished third world nation of less than 3 million people. How humiliating.

You're a racist Nazi plum - scum of the earth. I'm very surprised you're not one of the malnourished chavs you mentioned.

JM2K6 · Post by **JM2K6** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:28 pm

We're not actually out of the world cup yet, fwiw.

--DD-- · Post by **--DD--** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:29 pm

Winnie and Fat cat are FURIOUS that their country just got humiliated on the world stage

Less of the foul language please chaps, just not ruggerlike

JM2K6 · Post by **JM2K6** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:30 pm

Duff Paddy wrote:Enjoying the World Cup?

As a fan of the English club rugby system - which is I assume what you're referencing - I struggle to see the comparisons between a 12-team league, with a salary cap and >50% English representation (rising to nearly 90% at one of the top 4 clubs), strong academies bringing through excellent young English talent, with a top notch pathway to the international setup... and the English football clubs.

Unless you're dumb enough to think that unfettered private investment is what we're all in favour of. But you're not dumb, are you Duff?

Crash_12 · Post by **Crash_12** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:33 pm

--DD-- wrote: Winnie and Fat cat are FURIOUS that their country just got humiliated on the world stage

Less of the foul language please chaps, just not ruggerlike

They're both bang on the money though. You are an untermensch.

Winnie · Post by **Winnie** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:33 pm

--DD-- wrote: Winnie and Fat cat are FURIOUS that their country just got humiliated on the world stage

Less of the foul language please chaps, just not ruggerlike

As I am not English my mood is somewhere between apathy and unconcern

But get you out of Tower Hamlets boy its clearly not good for you

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:37 pm

JM2K6 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Enjoying the World Cup?
As a fan of the English club rugby system - which is I assume what you're referencing - I struggle to see the comparisons between a 12-team league, with a salary cap and >50% English representation (rising to nearly 90% at one of the top 4 clubs), strong academies bringing through excellent young English talent, with a top notch pathway to the international setup... and the English football clubs.

Unless you're dumb enough to think that unfettered private investment is what we're all in favour of. But you're not dumb, are you Duff?

You have completely missed the point but you're a better poster than most piggydoggies so I'll humour you. The soccer model revolves around the primacy of the clubs unlike the the traditional union based rugby model. We're seeing a shift in the balance of power in rugby, led by the English and the French spivs, unless of course you are denying that the English posters were overwhelmingly in favour en masse of the spiv H Cup power grab?

--DD-- · Post by **--DD--** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:37 pm

Winnie wrote:
--DD-- wrote: Winnie and Fat cat are FURIOUS that their country just got humiliated on the world stage

Less of the foul language please chaps, just not ruggerlike

As I am not English my mood is somewhere between apathy and unconcern

English/British same difference as you well know. The streets of Ballymena and Portadown will be in mourning tonight after seeing their boys get smashed.

Chin up old bean, it's only sport

Ireland's Call · Post by **Ireland's Call** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:39 pm

Duff Paddy wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Enjoying the World Cup?
As a fan of the English club rugby system - which is I assume what you're referencing - I struggle to see the comparisons between a 12-team league, with a salary cap and >50% English representation (rising to nearly 90% at one of the top 4 clubs), strong academies bringing through excellent young English talent, with a top notch pathway to the international setup... and the English football clubs.

Unless you're dumb enough to think that unfettered private investment is what we're all in favour of. But you're not dumb, are you Duff?
You have completely missed the point but you're a better poster than most piggydoggies so I'll humour you. The soccer model revolves around the primacy of the clubs unlike the the traditional union based rugby model. We're seeing a shift in the balance of power in rugby, led by the English and the French spivs, unless of course you are denying that the English posters were overwhelmingly in favour en masse of the spiv H Cup power grab?

Yeah JM.

bimboman · Post by **bimboman** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:40 pm

Duff Paddy wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Enjoying the World Cup?
As a fan of the English club rugby system - which is I assume what you're referencing - I struggle to see the comparisons between a 12-team league, with a salary cap and >50% English representation (rising to nearly 90% at one of the top 4 clubs), strong academies bringing through excellent young English talent, with a top notch pathway to the international setup... and the English football clubs.

Unless you're dumb enough to think that unfettered private investment is what we're all in favour of. But you're not dumb, are you Duff?
You have completely missed the point but you're a better poster than most piggydoggies so I'll humour you. The soccer model revolves around the primacy of the clubs unlike the the traditional union based rugby model. We're seeing a shift in the balance of power in rugby, led by the English and the French spivs, unless of course you are denying that the English posters were overwhelmingly in favour en masse of the spiv H Cup power grab?

If rugby ended as big as soccer is during this World Cup globally, we'd take the title for growing the game.

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:41 pm

Crash_12 wrote:
--DD-- wrote: Winnie and Fat cat are FURIOUS that their country just got humiliated on the world stage

Less of the foul language please chaps, just not ruggerlike
They're both bang on the money though. You are an untermensch.

Nietzsche would rolling in his grave

Winnie · Post by **Winnie** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:41 pm

--DD-- wrote:
Winnie wrote:
--DD-- wrote: Winnie and Fat cat are FURIOUS that their country just got humiliated on the world stage

Less of the foul language please chaps, just not ruggerlike

As I am not English my mood is somewhere between apathy and unconcern

English/British same difference as you well know. The streets of Ballymena and Portadown will be in mourning tonight after seeing their boys get smashed.

Chin up old bean, it's only sport

Bed for you, those one bedroom flats above kebab shops wont rent themselves out to the starving chavs

JM2K6 · Post by **JM2K6** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:43 pm

Duff Paddy wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Enjoying the World Cup?
As a fan of the English club rugby system - which is I assume what you're referencing - I struggle to see the comparisons between a 12-team league, with a salary cap and >50% English representation (rising to nearly 90% at one of the top 4 clubs), strong academies bringing through excellent young English talent, with a top notch pathway to the international setup... and the English football clubs.

Unless you're dumb enough to think that unfettered private investment is what we're all in favour of. But you're not dumb, are you Duff?
You have completely missed the point but you're a better poster than most piggydoggies so I'll humour you. The soccer model revolves around the primacy of the clubs unlike the the traditional union based rugby model. We're seeing a shift in the balance of power in rugby, led by the English and the French spivs, unless of course you are denying that the English posters were overwhelmingly in favour en masse of the spiv H Cup power grab?

Your problem is you can't see the wood for the trees. Asking for a fairer distribution of the monies from European competition - and a better handling of how it generates that money is one thing, but comparing it to football is just daft.

Yes, the English and French clubs want more power in their relevant sphere. It's not about the primacy of club rugby, because the fight wasn't about club v country. No English fans look at the French model (typified by Toulon) and think that's a good thing - the vast majority of English fans like how club rugby is run in this country in terms of keeping things fair, having a salary cap, having a close relationship with the union. And every single English rugby fan understands that the popularity of the sport in this country has been and will forever be the international game.

You can't just wave your hand at football and screech about spivs - you actually have to prove that there's any comparison between the two. The only comparison is private ownership. And the clubs themselves vote to keep things sensible, because the clubs know which side their bread is buttered, and they know exactly how the sport works in this country.

The fight over a European club competition had nothing to do with the international side of the game. English clubs maintain an excellent relationship with their union - as you discovered to your distate last year - and there's a great symbiotic relationship regarding player availability, coaching, and development. Long may it continue

binge90 · Post by **binge90** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:43 pm

fatcat wrote:
--DD-- wrote:Everywhere I go in this country I see soccer jerseys, soccer pitches , and hundreds of thousands of scrawny malnourished looking chav soccer hooligan types. The country is OBSESSED with this grotty working class habit.

And yet they are SHIT at it

They just got dumped out of the World Cup by an impoverished third world nation of less than 3 million people. How humiliating.
You're a racist Nazi plum - scum of the earth. I'm very surprised you're not one of the malnourished chavs you mentioned.

Jesus man, you'll need to have your teeth checked after biting that hard.

Ireland's Call · Post by **Ireland's Call** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:45 pm

JM2K6 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Enjoying the World Cup?
As a fan of the English club rugby system - which is I assume what you're referencing - I struggle to see the comparisons between a 12-team league, with a salary cap and >50% English representation (rising to nearly 90% at one of the top 4 clubs), strong academies bringing through excellent young English talent, with a top notch pathway to the international setup... and the English football clubs.

Unless you're dumb enough to think that unfettered private investment is what we're all in favour of. But you're not dumb, are you Duff?
You have completely missed the point but you're a better poster than most piggydoggies so I'll humour you. The soccer model revolves around the primacy of the clubs unlike the the traditional union based rugby model. We're seeing a shift in the balance of power in rugby, led by the English and the French spivs, unless of course you are denying that the English posters were overwhelmingly in favour en masse of the spiv H Cup power grab?
Your problem is you can't see the wood for the trees. Asking for a fairer distribution of the monies from European competition - and a better handling of how it generates that money is one thing, but comparing it to football is just daft.

Yes, the English and French clubs want more power in their relevant sphere. It's not about the primacy of club rugby, because the fight wasn't about club v country. No English fans look at the French model (typified by Toulon) and think that's a good thing - the vast majority of English fans like how club rugby is run in this country in terms of keeping things fair, having a salary cap, having a close relationship with the union. And every single English rugby fan understands that the popularity of the sport in this country has been and will forever be the international game.

You can't just wave your hand at football and screech about spivs - you actually have to prove that there's any comparison between the two. The only comparison is private ownership. And the clubs themselves vote to keep things sensible, because the clubs know which side their bread is buttered, and they know exactly how the sport works in this country.

The fight over a European club competition had nothing to do with the international side of the game. English clubs maintain an excellent relationship with their union - as you discovered to your distate last year - and there's a great symbiotic relationship regarding player availability, coaching, and development. Long may it continue

Yeah Duff.

JM2K6 · Post by **JM2K6** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:45 pm

Chuckles1188 · Post by **Chuckles1188** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:49 pm

Also worth pointing out that I'm not convinced our dreadfulness at football is a cause de the EPL. We weren't exactly world-beaters before.

JM2K6 · Post by **JM2K6** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:52 pm

Chuckles1188 wrote:Also worth pointing out that I'm not convinced our dreadfulness at football is a cause de the EPL. We weren't exactly world-beaters before.

True. Last time I checked we were marginally better internationally speaking since the premiership and all that jazz

AND-y · Post by **AND-y** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:52 pm

Chuckles1188 wrote:Also worth pointing out that I'm not convinced our dreadfulness at football is a cause de the EPL. We weren't exactly world-beaters before.

1990 - world cup before the PL model started....semi finalists going out on pens to the eventual winners?

camroc1 · Post by **camroc1** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:54 pm

Winnie wrote:
--DD-- wrote:
Winnie wrote:
--DD-- wrote: Winnie and Fat cat are FURIOUS that their country just got humiliated on the world stage

Less of the foul language please chaps, just not ruggerlike

As I am not English my mood is somewhere between apathy and unconcern

English/British same difference as you well know. The streets of Ballymena and Portadown will be in mourning tonight after seeing their boys get smashed.

Chin up old bean, it's only sport
Bed for you, those one bedroom flats above kebab shops wont rent themselves out to the starving chavs

How's the ROI passport application going, precious ?

C69 · Post by **C69** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:56 pm

Duff he's seething

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:10 am

c69 wrote:Duff he's seething

I am yeah.

Mick Mannock · Post by **Mick Mannock** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:41 am

Winnie wrote:
--DD-- wrote:Everywhere I go in this country I see soccer jerseys, soccer pitches , and hundreds of thousands of scrawny malnourished looking chav soccer hooligan types. The country is OBSESSED with this grotty working class habit.

And yet they are SHIT at it

They just got dumped out of the World Cup by an impoverished third world nation of less than 3 million people. How humiliating.
This is what happens when you rent out one bedroom flats in tower hamlets
You should aim higher in your career and you can mix with a better class of people

Tower Hamlets is full of Jew-haters. DD would fit right in.

Anyway, England are in the final...again.

The Sun God · Post by **The Sun God** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:13 am

fatcat wrote:
--DD-- wrote:Everywhere I go in this country I see soccer jerseys, soccer pitches , and hundreds of thousands of scrawny malnourished looking chav soccer hooligan types. The country is OBSESSED with this grotty working class habit.

And yet they are SHIT at it

They just got dumped out of the World Cup by an impoverished third world nation of less than 3 million people. How humiliating.
You're a racist Nazi plum - scum of the earth. I'm very surprised you're not one of the malnourished chavs you mentioned.

It's DD ffs.

Womack · Post by **Womack** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:25 am

A world cup where Ireland, Scotland and Wales aren't in attendance - long live the spiv model

The Sun God · Post by **The Sun God** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:32 am

Womack wrote:A world cup where Ireland, Scotland and Wales aren't in attendance - long live the spiv model

Come on ...you can surely do better than that.

Womack · Post by **Womack** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:36 am

Sorry, a 32-team world cup with several genuine title contenders...and no Ireland, Scotland or Wales.

Crash_12 · Post by **Crash_12** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:43 am

I, for one, am counting down the days until Uruguay knock either Wales, England or France out of the Rugby World Cup.

That'll teach McCafferty, the LNR and RRW a thing or two alright. *shakes fist while scowling*

The Sun God · Post by **The Sun God** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:52 am

Womack wrote:Sorry, a 32-team world cup with several genuine title contenders...and no Ireland, Scotland or Wales.

And no England after last night....At least the team can come home even if football isin't.

Womack · Post by **Womack** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:54 am

Aye, but England has the population and wealth to at least have a chance of competing at one of these major tournaments. Wonderful thing, hope.

The Sun God · Post by **The Sun God** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:02 am

Womack wrote:Aye, but England has the population and wealth to at least have a chance of competing at one of these major tournaments. Wonderful thing, hope.

And Uruguay have neither. Wonderful thing, ability.

London_Lurker · Post by **London_Lurker** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:02 am

If a private club system is to blame for England being shit at football why do other countries who also pick all their players from private club systems do well?

Don't know much about football so thats a genuine question.

From the little I do know football I'd say the Aviva prem is more similar to the Bundesliga than the EPL, see JM's post above.

London_Lurker · Post by **London_Lurker** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:05 am

The Sun God wrote:
Womack wrote:Aye, but England has the population and wealth to at least have a chance of competing at one of these major tournaments. Wonderful thing, hope.
And Uruguay have neither. Wonderful thing, ability.

Last time I remember playing them at Rugby we won by about 100 points so clearly their ability is restricted to football.

Not sure you've picked the right website to troll pigdogs about the footie

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