Re: PR Depression, Anxiety and Suicidal
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:16 am
Thanks, boojbooji boy wrote:Best wishes Kiwias.
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Thanks, boojbooji boy wrote:Best wishes Kiwias.
Sorry for your loss, Floppykid.naki wrote:Really sad news, mate. Condolences to you and your family.Floppykid wrote:My Mom passed the early hours of Sunday morning.
Her death was peaceful and in her sleep, thanks to the wonderful hospice staff, but nothing prepares you to see someone you love get so small and so faint before just stopping.
I'm in a bit of a daze getting away from the wake for a bit.
Yes. Either her parents or my ex have spare rooms and live close by, so the kids could attend school and kindy from either.jdogscoop wrote:Sounds like a crazy, Kiwias.
Reckon your son is better off scooping up the kids and getting TF out of there.
There are some parallels to what happened with my Mom here. I'll try find time to write more on how I handled it and how it might relate to your dil's and her family.Kiwias wrote:Please forgive me but I just need to vent a bit.
I had a call from my son and it seems that my dil is in a very bad place.
Background: when she gave birth to the twins (now 3 and a half years old), they discovered a tumour at the base of her spine (they said it was ependymoma) that could cause major problems. They removed 50% by surgery about three years ago but could not take 100% because of the risk of injury to the spine. The remaining bit is not growing or expanding at all, but the continued pressure is restricting her movement and making her very easy to tire. Not to mention the anxiety of carrying this time bomb.
It had been causing mood swings for a while but the lockdown seems to have aggravated it to the stage that -- in my son's words "the aggression, the abuse, and the utter lack of gratitude is driving him crazy."
She will be loving and caring with the grandkids and the neck minit be screaming "get away from me, get out, find another family who wants you cause I don't" and the sort. The kids are suffering. If my son or her parents, who live close, attempt to moderate, she turns the anger on them. It is so bad now that several of her closest friends have discussed it with my son.
She is aware of what she does when the mood hits but serial fatigue and frustration just overwhelm her and she can't control the rage. She has bi-annual MRI checkups on the tumour and this now includes a brain scan that shows no abnormalities.
I think we are all considering an intervention with her therapist and psychiatrist, with a view that she may be bipolar. I'm so f**king far away and feel utterly helpless. When I asked my lad if there was anything I could do, he said, "just be available in case I need to chat and vent." The first thought I has was "Thank god I'm sober now".
You know, it does help to vent.
Sorry to hear that Floppy. Condolences.Floppykid wrote:My Mom passed the early hours of Sunday morning.
Her death was peaceful and in her sleep, thanks to the wonderful hospice staff, but nothing prepares you to see someone you love get so small and so faint before just stopping.
I'm in a bit of a daze getting away from the wake for a bit.
Sorry for your loss, floppy.Floppykid wrote:My Mom passed the early hours of Sunday morning.
Her death was peaceful and in her sleep, thanks to the wonderful hospice staff, but nothing prepares you to see someone you love get so small and so faint before just stopping.
I'm in a bit of a daze getting away from the wake for a bit.
Mate. I’m speechless.Kiwias wrote:Please forgive me but I just need to vent a bit.
I had a call from my son and it seems that my dil is in a very bad place.
Background: when she gave birth to the twins (now 3 and a half years old), they discovered a tumour at the base of her spine (they said it was ependymoma) that could cause major problems. They removed 50% by surgery about three years ago but could not take 100% because of the risk of injury to the spine. The remaining bit is not growing or expanding at all, but the continued pressure is restricting her movement and making her very easy to tire. Not to mention the anxiety of carrying this time bomb.
It had been causing mood swings for a while but the lockdown seems to have aggravated it to the stage that -- in my son's words "the aggression, the abuse, and the utter lack of gratitude is driving him crazy."
She will be loving and caring with the grandkids and the neck minit be screaming "get away from me, get out, find another family who wants you cause I don't" and the sort. The kids are suffering. If my son or her parents, who live close, attempt to moderate, she turns the anger on them. It is so bad now that several of her closest friends have discussed it with my son.
She is aware of what she does when the mood hits but serial fatigue and frustration just overwhelm her and she can't control the rage. She has bi-annual MRI checkups on the tumour and this now includes a brain scan that shows no abnormalities.
I think we are all considering an intervention with her therapist and psychiatrist, with a view that she may be bipolar. I'm so f**king far away and feel utterly helpless. When I asked my lad if there was anything I could do, he said, "just be available in case I need to chat and vent." The first thought I has was "Thank god I'm sober now".
You know, it does help to vent.
Thanks, Floppy, and condolences on your loss.Floppykid wrote:There are some parallels to what happened with my Mom here. I'll try find time to write more on how I handled it and how it might relate to your dil's and her family.Kiwias wrote:Please forgive me but I just need to vent a bit.
I had a call from my son and it seems that my dil is in a very bad place.
Background: when she gave birth to the twins (now 3 and a half years old), they discovered a tumour at the base of her spine (they said it was ependymoma) that could cause major problems. They removed 50% by surgery about three years ago but could not take 100% because of the risk of injury to the spine. The remaining bit is not growing or expanding at all, but the continued pressure is restricting her movement and making her very easy to tire. Not to mention the anxiety of carrying this time bomb.
It had been causing mood swings for a while but the lockdown seems to have aggravated it to the stage that -- in my son's words "the aggression, the abuse, and the utter lack of gratitude is driving him crazy."
She will be loving and caring with the grandkids and the neck minit be screaming "get away from me, get out, find another family who wants you cause I don't" and the sort. The kids are suffering. If my son or her parents, who live close, attempt to moderate, she turns the anger on them. It is so bad now that several of her closest friends have discussed it with my son.
She is aware of what she does when the mood hits but serial fatigue and frustration just overwhelm her and she can't control the rage. She has bi-annual MRI checkups on the tumour and this now includes a brain scan that shows no abnormalities.
I think we are all considering an intervention with her therapist and psychiatrist, with a view that she may be bipolar. I'm so f**king far away and feel utterly helpless. When I asked my lad if there was anything I could do, he said, "just be available in case I need to chat and vent." The first thought I has was "Thank god I'm sober now".
You know, it does help to vent.
It is indeed so good you are sober for things like this.
Sorry to hear it. Not direct experience and can't give detail on it but my Mrs took advantage of an employee welfare support scheme at work a few years back to deal with some very unresolved grief over the sudden passing of her twin brother nearly 20 years ago. Found it hugely helpful.He Man Rugger Pints wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:47 pm Sorry to hear that Floppy. My mother died after a fairly quick illness about two months back, kinda went on autopilot as I had a kid about two weeks after but fudge me did it catch up with me the last few days. Anyone have any experience with grief counselling and thoughts on it? Need to try manage this in a way that I'm not just burying it and have it cause me to blow in a few months/years.
My Mom, for different reasons in a lot of respects, had similar reactions to us and the world during her illness. It's really important she gets some form of therapy, because while her close family will weather most storms intervention for the mind is just as vital as anything else.Kiwias wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:53 pmThanks, Floppy, and condolences on your loss.Floppykid wrote:There are some parallels to what happened with my Mom here. I'll try find time to write more on how I handled it and how it might relate to your dil's and her family.Kiwias wrote:Please forgive me but I just need to vent a bit.
I had a call from my son and it seems that my dil is in a very bad place.
Background: when she gave birth to the twins (now 3 and a half years old), they discovered a tumour at the base of her spine (they said it was ependymoma) that could cause major problems. They removed 50% by surgery about three years ago but could not take 100% because of the risk of injury to the spine. The remaining bit is not growing or expanding at all, but the continued pressure is restricting her movement and making her very easy to tire. Not to mention the anxiety of carrying this time bomb.
It had been causing mood swings for a while but the lockdown seems to have aggravated it to the stage that -- in my son's words "the aggression, the abuse, and the utter lack of gratitude is driving him crazy."
She will be loving and caring with the grandkids and the neck minit be screaming "get away from me, get out, find another family who wants you cause I don't" and the sort. The kids are suffering. If my son or her parents, who live close, attempt to moderate, she turns the anger on them. It is so bad now that several of her closest friends have discussed it with my son.
She is aware of what she does when the mood hits but serial fatigue and frustration just overwhelm her and she can't control the rage. She has bi-annual MRI checkups on the tumour and this now includes a brain scan that shows no abnormalities.
I think we are all considering an intervention with her therapist and psychiatrist, with a view that she may be bipolar. I'm so f**king far away and feel utterly helpless. When I asked my lad if there was anything I could do, he said, "just be available in case I need to chat and vent." The first thought I has was "Thank god I'm sober now".
You know, it does help to vent.
It is indeed so good you are sober for things like this.
Yup, the autopilot and disassociation. The brain and mind has a weird and effective way of protecting itself during times of trauma. Just getting you through.He Man Rugger Pints wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:47 pm Sorry to hear that Floppy. My mother died after a fairly quick illness about two months back, kinda went on autopilot as I had a kid about two weeks after but fudge me did it catch up with me the last few days. Anyone have any experience with grief counselling and thoughts on it? Need to try manage this in a way that I'm not just burying it and have it cause me to blow in a few months/years.
Thanks for the reply. I have an EAP in work and never even thought of it until you mentioned it. Will definitely use it, thanks for suggesting it.Leinsterman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:37 pm Parenthood really is an absolute kick in the face when it arrives. Colic is absolute hell. Neither of my two had it but my MiL still shudders when she talks about my BiL having it for the first few months.
As she always said "you can do anything if you just have a bit of sleep".
The fog of parenthood is just so tough. You literally crave sleep. This year has been tough for so many people and that could also be playing its part I'm making you feel worse.
"Grow a spine?" - not at all.
Do you have access to an EAP through your employer? Worth using if you do.
Stick in there though. The colic will pass.
That's bloody tough, especially in the mad situation we're in now, no real advice, just know, it will pass and they will bring you a lot more joy than pain, until they start stealing your beer and decide they like your aftershave so much they wear it and you can never wear it again.Munster-fogs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:22 pm Never posted on this thread before but I've been struggling a bit lately and don't know where or who else to talk to.
I became a father at the beginning of September and the first few weeks were intensely stressful. Nothing can prepare you. I have never before felt the overwhelming sense of constant anxiety for those initial few weeks in particular. Things have improved a bit, but unfortunately he's had a bad dose of colic and things have never really stabilized. I went through a period of acceptance and just got on with it, but lately things have just taken it's toll and I'm increasingly becoming deflated with it all and almost dread leaving work in the evening to go home to a a screaming 4 month old. I guess I thought by 4 months things would have eased up a bit.
The night's are hell. The lack of sleep is crippling. I know I should take the boards general advice and grow a spine, but i'm just struggling to at the moment. Has anyone else experienced something similar, and how or what did you do to cope?
danthefandanthefan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:39 pm My uncle has an enormous alcohol problem and his life has gone totally off the rails. Has essentially lost his job for drinking at work, caught drink driving recently, money problems, his family at the end of their tether, latest stunt was going out and getting shit faced, stealing a bike, going over the handlebars breaking his arm, and then sleeping rough until he had sense enough to get medical attention.
Can you do anything with people in this state?
And floppy - sorry to hear. Hope you're holding up alright.
My first born had that, f**king nightmare man. No way anyone who has had a kid with it will tell you to grow a spine. Good news for you is that you're near the end of it as they tend to outgrow it around that age.Munster-fogs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:22 pm Never posted on this thread before but I've been struggling a bit lately and don't know where or who else to talk to.
I became a father at the beginning of September and the first few weeks were intensely stressful. Nothing can prepare you. I have never before felt the overwhelming sense of constant anxiety for those initial few weeks in particular. Things have improved a bit, but unfortunately he's had a bad dose of colic and things have never really stabilized. I went through a period of acceptance and just got on with it, but lately things have just taken it's toll and I'm increasingly becoming deflated with it all and almost dread leaving work in the evening to go home to a a screaming 4 month old. I guess I thought by 4 months things would have eased up a bit.
The night's are hell. The lack of sleep is crippling. I know I should take the boards general advice and grow a spine, but i'm just struggling to at the moment. Has anyone else experienced something similar, and how or what did you do to cope?
Swaddling the baby was a huge help for us, even if it did mean taking turns to get up at 3am to iron the swaddllngs, so they were quite warm going on. Feed after naps. Plenty, plenty, plenty of fresh air - for baby and yourselves. Kids are different though, need to suss. We used to keep a diary of it all, so we could in a snatched quieter moment, read though and see if we could spot trends.Munster-fogs wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:04 am Thanks for all the comments lads. Really appreciated.
Sorry to hear that chief. We had our 2nd back in early lockdown. It is a very shit time for it as there's little prospect of a night off. The walls get very close. Try and leave the house as much as possible. You, your partner and the baby. Just walk around a bit. It helps a lot to get outside and it is one of the rare occasions you'll have to chat to her about something that isn't baby related.Munster-fogs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:22 pm Never posted on this thread before but I've been struggling a bit lately and don't know where or who else to talk to.
I became a father at the beginning of September and the first few weeks were intensely stressful. Nothing can prepare you. I have never before felt the overwhelming sense of constant anxiety for those initial few weeks in particular. Things have improved a bit, but unfortunately he's had a bad dose of colic and things have never really stabilized. I went through a period of acceptance and just got on with it, but lately things have just taken it's toll and I'm increasingly becoming deflated with it all and almost dread leaving work in the evening to go home to a a screaming 4 month old. I guess I thought by 4 months things would have eased up a bit.
The night's are hell. The lack of sleep is crippling. I know I should take the boards general advice and grow a spine, but i'm just struggling to at the moment. Has anyone else experienced something similar, and how or what did you do to cope?
Thank you for being human. Good luck man, you're stronger than you know,Munster-fogs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:22 pm Never posted on this thread before but I've been struggling a bit lately and don't know where or who else to talk to.
I became a father at the beginning of September and the first few weeks were intensely stressful. Nothing can prepare you. I have never before felt the overwhelming sense of constant anxiety for those initial few weeks in particular. Things have improved a bit, but unfortunately he's had a bad dose of colic and things have never really stabilized. I went through a period of acceptance and just got on with it, but lately things have just taken it's toll and I'm increasingly becoming deflated with it all and almost dread leaving work in the evening to go home to a a screaming 4 month old. I guess I thought by 4 months things would have eased up a bit.
The night's are hell. The lack of sleep is crippling. I know I should take the boards general advice and grow a spine, but i'm just struggling to at the moment. Has anyone else experienced something similar, and how or what did you do to cope?
It's funny how other women talked about childbirth to my wife before she had our son vs afterwards. It's like there's an agreement between all women never to mention how difficult the process is to another woman who's never given birth.DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:15 am I think the problem is if people told you how shit parenting can be at times, the stress on your relationship etc- humans wouldn’t reproduce. It’s no accident women are programmed to forget the horror of childbirth and repeat it
My son wasn’t a sleeper, I used to drive him around which made him sleep a bit, and oddly infront of the tumble dryer. I kind of remember the small baby era as a blur of ‘just hanging in there’.
Yeah, the “witches coven”!de_Selby wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:48 amIt's funny how other women talked about childbirth to my wife before she had our son vs afterwards. It's like there's an agreement between all women never to mention how difficult the process is to another woman who's never given birth.DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:15 am I think the problem is if people told you how shit parenting can be at times, the stress on your relationship etc- humans wouldn’t reproduce. It’s no accident women are programmed to forget the horror of childbirth and repeat it
My son wasn’t a sleeper, I used to drive him around which made him sleep a bit, and oddly infront of the tumble dryer. I kind of remember the small baby era as a blur of ‘just hanging in there’.
On the point of lack of sleep though, it was 6 months before our son slept well, and my wife in particular was really struggling with the lack of sleep. Her opinion was that the 3 months after giving birth was by far the worst part of the whole experience. Sleep deprivation just builds up and up and really fucks with your head.
From our experience though, soon after the 6 month point he did start to sleep through the night and things got much better, so I think you are probably almost through the most difficult part
ThanksThat's a shit story. The loneliness of not being able to be there would be an absolute kick in the nuts. Rant away as it's well deserved and RIP to your oul fella and best of luck with your mum
Cheers, I'm very lucky that my brother is still over there, although I do feel really bad for not being there for him, I know my sister feels the same wayER's spot on, Jam.
24hrs away from getting back when my call came through. Know he'd have said get on with your life but never quite forgave myself. I should and will one day.
Being there for family and them for you's a huge part of it, whatever way you can. So much is out of our hands right now and don't forget to be kind to yourself as well. RIP.