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Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 2:30 pm**

AlanBengio wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 2:18 pm This safety car will ruin the race... GOAT yes - but really how lucky Hamilton is
The reverse Jean Alesi

This makes no sense.

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 2:30 pm**

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 2:30 pm
AlanBengio wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 2:18 pm This safety car will ruin the race... GOAT yes - but really how lucky Hamilton is
The reverse Jean Alesi

This makes no sense.

Alan is the new Homer

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 2:42 pm**

Mazepin strikes again

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 2:46 pm**

Mercedes have fouled up.

Probably.

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 2:48 pm**

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 2:46 pm Mercedes have fouled up.

Probably.

I think Hamilton was about to get Verstappen right before he pitted, he can probably catch him again and will take him once he gets DRS

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 2:52 pm**

de_Selby wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 2:48 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 2:46 pm Mercedes have fouled up.

Probably.
I think Hamilton was about to get Verstappen right before he pitted, he can probably catch him again and will take him once he gets DRS

Starting to look like it

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 3:18 pm**

Bottas wanting to lose his seat @ Merc?

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 3:21 pm**

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:18 pm Bottas wanting to lose his seat @ Merc?

and he pits straight away

I'd probably hate Lewis if I were his teammate too tbh.

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 3:31 pm**

The Merc was just faster the whole race, Verstappen was always losing time

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 3:33 pm**

Hamilton too good.

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 3:35 pm**

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 2:30 pm
bimboman wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 2:30 pm
AlanBengio wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 2:18 pm This safety car will ruin the race... GOAT yes - but really how lucky Hamilton is
The reverse Jean Alesi

This makes no sense.
Alan is the new Homer

It did make - but probably Ham knew the advantage he had and did not force at the restart (as Merc was faster the Whole WE over the first sector).

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 3:36 pm**

Red Bull just not on the same pace with power or with strategy tbh.

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 3:42 pm**

de_Selby wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:36 pm Red Bull just not on the same pace with power or with strategy tbh.

They played cat and mouse. I honestly thought after the start that Red Bull had the capacity to go away, providing they did not give Merc the DRS - but that was not the case.
Merc sandbaggings the whole race... no issues over the tyres at all...

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 3:57 pm**

Once again, Max is screwed by not having a teammate to back him up. Say what you want about Bottas, but he's the ideal tailgunner for Lewis.

2v1 gives the Mercs a lot more options. Perez has pace when he settles in, but he always finds himself too far down the track.

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 4:10 pm**

maverickmak wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:57 pm Once again, Max is screwed by not having a teammate to back him up. Say what you want about Bottas, but he's the ideal tailgunner for Lewis.

2v1 gives the Mercs a lot more options. Perez has pace when he settles in, but he always finds himself too far down the track.

Really? I haven't seen the race but if Bottas had been up with the leaders surely Verstappen couldn't have pitted and got a point for the fastest lap.

Posted: **Sun May 09, 2021 4:27 pm**

Dobbin wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 4:10 pm
maverickmak wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:57 pm Once again, Max is screwed by not having a teammate to back him up. Say what you want about Bottas, but he's the ideal tailgunner for Lewis.

2v1 gives the Mercs a lot more options. Perez has pace when he settles in, but he always finds himself too far down the track.
Really? I haven't seen the race but if Bottas had been up with the leaders surely Verstappen couldn't have pitted and got a point for the fastest lap.

A symptom of him getting stuck behind LeClerc at the start, but his presence gave Hamilton more license to execute the killer 2-stop. Could have been uglier for RB.

Posted: **Mon May 10, 2021 9:01 am**

maverickmak wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 4:27 pm
Dobbin wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 4:10 pm
maverickmak wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:57 pm Once again, Max is screwed by not having a teammate to back him up. Say what you want about Bottas, but he's the ideal tailgunner for Lewis.

2v1 gives the Mercs a lot more options. Perez has pace when he settles in, but he always finds himself too far down the track.
Really? I haven't seen the race but if Bottas had been up with the leaders surely Verstappen couldn't have pitted and got a point for the fastest lap.
A symptom of him getting stuck behind LeClerc at the start, but his presence gave Hamilton more license to execute the killer 2-stop. Could have been uglier for RB.

The main role Bottas played in this race was to hold up Lewis. Which as it turned out delayed Lewis getting past max, and thus delayed Max going onto new tyres, and if anything that helped Max set the FL. Bottas was more a petulant teenager yesterday than helpful teammate, though given how much faster RB get the tyres working it probably didn't make much difference, bar likely pissing off Merc

Posted: **Mon May 10, 2021 9:12 am**

piquant wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:01 am
maverickmak wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 4:27 pm
Dobbin wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 4:10 pm
maverickmak wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:57 pm Once again, Max is screwed by not having a teammate to back him up. Say what you want about Bottas, but he's the ideal tailgunner for Lewis.

2v1 gives the Mercs a lot more options. Perez has pace when he settles in, but he always finds himself too far down the track.
Really? I haven't seen the race but if Bottas had been up with the leaders surely Verstappen couldn't have pitted and got a point for the fastest lap.
A symptom of him getting stuck behind LeClerc at the start, but his presence gave Hamilton more license to execute the killer 2-stop. Could have been uglier for RB.
The main role Bottas played in this race was to hold up Lewis. Which as it turned out delayed Lewis getting past max, and thus delayed Max going onto new tyres, and if anything that helped Max set the FL. Bottas was more a petulant teenager yesterday than helpful teammate, though given how much faster RB get the tyres working it probably didn't make much difference, bar likely pissing off Merc

It was also an irrelevant situation where Bottas had very little to gain, it was unlikely that Bottas would be able to do more than hold up Lewis. It wasn't a situation where Bottas was going to win by holding up Lewis barring a mistake/mechanical and Verstappen's tyres falling off an absolute cliff (and Bottas' were even older at that point).

When your seat is at risk why upset the team? With Lewis likely to retire or move in the next season or two Bottas should be keeping himself in the good books there and hope that the new car rules benefit Merc more than the others. Merc are not a particularly risk-taking team so it seems unlikely that they would replace Bottas if Lewis does move on

Posted: **Mon May 10, 2021 1:16 pm**

blindcider wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:12 am
piquant wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:01 am
maverickmak wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 4:27 pm
Dobbin wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 4:10 pm
maverickmak wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:57 pm Once again, Max is screwed by not having a teammate to back him up. Say what you want about Bottas, but he's the ideal tailgunner for Lewis.

2v1 gives the Mercs a lot more options. Perez has pace when he settles in, but he always finds himself too far down the track.
Really? I haven't seen the race but if Bottas had been up with the leaders surely Verstappen couldn't have pitted and got a point for the fastest lap.
A symptom of him getting stuck behind LeClerc at the start, but his presence gave Hamilton more license to execute the killer 2-stop. Could have been uglier for RB.
The main role Bottas played in this race was to hold up Lewis. Which as it turned out delayed Lewis getting past max, and thus delayed Max going onto new tyres, and if anything that helped Max set the FL. Bottas was more a petulant teenager yesterday than helpful teammate, though given how much faster RB get the tyres working it probably didn't make much difference, bar likely pissing off Merc
It was also an irrelevant situation where Bottas had very little to gain, it was unlikely that Bottas would be able to do more than hold up Lewis. It wasn't a situation where Bottas was going to win by holding up Lewis barring a mistake/mechanical and Verstappen's tyres falling off an absolute cliff (and Bottas' were even older at that point).

When your seat is at risk why upset the team? With Lewis likely to retire or move in the next season or two Bottas should be keeping himself in the good books there and hope that the new car rules benefit Merc more than the others. Merc are not a particularly risk-taking team so it seems unlikely that they would replace Bottas if Lewis does move on

I've no idea what Bottas thought he was doing in the moment or like you how he thought it could help him in the future. And he got multiple instructions from the team letting him know Lewis was coming.

If he wanted to race he should also have gone back to the team and said no, I'm not moving over, tell Lewis he needs to pass on merit, not have Lewis hang around waiting for Bottas to do as he was told.

This will be somewhat brushed over because Lewis won anyway, but it's going to rankle with a few people inside the camp, and he's already worrying them with a consistent lack of pace, he's not been good since early last season

Posted: **Mon May 10, 2021 1:18 pm**

de_Selby wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:36 pm Red Bull just not on the same pace with power or with strategy tbh.

Or driving skill.

Posted: **Mon May 10, 2021 1:30 pm**

piquant wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:16 pm
I've no idea what Bottas thought he was doing in the moment or like you how he thought it could help him in the future. And he got multiple instructions from the team letting him know Lewis was coming.

If he wanted to race he should also have gone back to the team and said no, I'm not moving over, tell Lewis he needs to pass on merit, not have Lewis hang around waiting for Bottas to do as he was told.

This will be somewhat brushed over because Lewis won anyway, but it's going to rankle with a few people inside the camp, and he's already worrying them with a consistent lack of pace, he's not been good since early last season

To be fair to Bottas their agreed "rules of engagement" may have meant he didn't need to move over. The team may even have been at fault giving him the instruction. Now we know Lewis wants to stay it's almost certainly the final year for Bottas and Merc will struggle to control im if he thinks he is not getting a fair crack of the whip.

Posted: **Mon May 10, 2021 2:23 pm**

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:30 pm
piquant wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:16 pm
I've no idea what Bottas thought he was doing in the moment or like you how he thought it could help him in the future. And he got multiple instructions from the team letting him know Lewis was coming.

If he wanted to race he should also have gone back to the team and said no, I'm not moving over, tell Lewis he needs to pass on merit, not have Lewis hang around waiting for Bottas to do as he was told.

This will be somewhat brushed over because Lewis won anyway, but it's going to rankle with a few people inside the camp, and he's already worrying them with a consistent lack of pace, he's not been good since early last season
To be fair to Bottas their agreed "rules of engagement" may have meant he didn't need to move over. The team may even have been at fault giving him the instruction. Now we know Lewis wants to stay it's almost certainly the final year for Bottas and Merc will struggle to control im if he thinks he is not getting a fair crack of the whip.

Their agreement almost certainly does mean Bottas didn't have to move over given he was ahead on track, the issue is more it was pointless and even detrimental to ignore a team order as he did both within the race and with a view to his career beyond this race. And, again, if he wanted to ignore team orders he should advise them so Lewis knows he's going to disregard the instruction (and the patent reality) that he was on a wholly different strategy.

There was nothing strategic in the decision made by Bottas, it was pathetic, partly because of just how worthless it was.

Posted: **Mon May 10, 2021 2:28 pm**

It also means that in a similar situation in the future they might just choose to pit Bottas rather than risk him getting in the way regardless of state of play. There is looking after your interests and then there is cutting off your nose to spite your face

Posted: **Mon May 10, 2021 2:36 pm**

Reports that Lewis will sign a two year extension with Mercedes shortly.

Posted: **Mon May 10, 2021 4:33 pm**

blindcider wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:28 pm It also means that in a similar situation in the future they might just choose to pit Bottas rather than risk him getting in the way regardless of state of play. There is looking after your interests and then there is cutting off your nose to spite your face

Good news for George Russell maybe?

Posted: **Mon May 10, 2021 6:26 pm**

P in VG wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 4:33 pm
blindcider wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:28 pm It also means that in a similar situation in the future they might just choose to pit Bottas rather than risk him getting in the way regardless of state of play. There is looking after your interests and then there is cutting off your nose to spite your face
Good news for George Russell maybe?

Valtteri, you need to come into the pits now.
We need to change the tyres.
Also the driver.

Posted: **Tue May 11, 2021 9:10 am**

P in VG wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 4:33 pm
blindcider wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:28 pm It also means that in a similar situation in the future they might just choose to pit Bottas rather than risk him getting in the way regardless of state of play. There is looking after your interests and then there is cutting off your nose to spite your face
Good news for George Russell maybe?

Maybe, if Lewis extends having two British drivers doesn't expand possible sponsor deals as they'd like.

Posted: **Tue May 11, 2021 9:57 am**

If they are thinking of a British driver for the longer term after Lewis retires surely Norris is further up the list than Russell at the moment (even if technically he's under the Merc wing at the moment)

Posted: **Wed May 12, 2021 12:29 pm**

And Merc get some pushback going on RB's use of flexible under load wing technology. How much impact across various teams this will have we'll have to wait and see

RB will most surely be looking at the Merc to see what they can get removed too

Posted: **Wed May 12, 2021 12:43 pm**

de_Selby wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:57 am If they are thinking of a British driver for the longer term after Lewis retires surely Norris is further up the list than Russell at the moment (even if technically he's under the Merc wing at the moment)

Russell is a Merc driver who is clearly very fast. I think he is in the Merc next year.

Posted: **Wed May 12, 2021 12:43 pm**

piquant wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:29 pm And Merc get some pushback going on RB's use of flexible under load wing technology. How much impact across various teams this will have we'll have to wait and see

RB will most surely be looking at the Merc to see what they can get removed too

Starting with Hamilton first probably.

Posted: **Wed May 12, 2021 1:05 pm**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:43 pm
piquant wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:29 pm And Merc get some pushback going on RB's use of flexible under load wing technology. How much impact across various teams this will have we'll have to wait and see

RB will most surely be looking at the Merc to see what they can get removed too
Starting with Hamilton first probably.

racist Austrians! perish the thought

Posted: **Sun May 16, 2021 8:44 pm**

guy smiley wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 8:32 pm

My favourite driver combination.

Posted: **Sun May 16, 2021 11:14 pm**

Needs more pics...

Posted: **Mon May 17, 2021 8:59 am**

Hamilton Monaco pole lap 2019

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:58 pm**

Should be an exciting race, such a technical track, plenty of chances from drivers making errors.

Mercs looking ordinary.

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:24 pm**

What a quali!

Class recovery from Hamilton.

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:25 pm**

maverickmak wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:24 pm What a quali!

Class recovery from Hamilton.

Insane lap if compared to practice times are to be believed and of course 1/2 second over Bottas.

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:27 pm**

Phew! That was interesting. Could be a cracker tomorrow.

Hamilton looks good.

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:29 pm**

Verstappen looks crazy mad. Hope he duffs tomorrow.

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