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The year-end results and standings of European junior racing formulas are 90% irrelevant to determining the drivers that get promoted to higher auto racing series.
This just isn’t true with regard to F3 to F2 and promotion to F1.

The French did this with Ocon, Gasly, Le clerc

The British recently did this Russel, Norris and Albon.

That’s 6 drivers from 20 , new and all were successful in promotion formulas. Stroll and Verstappen being your examples, with Verstappen being the talent of his time.

Your point just doesn’t stand.

Auto racing has always been about money.
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What an incredible circuit this Mugello is, and how it is F1 never races on such circuits!
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AlanBengio wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:27 pm What an incredible circuit this Mugello is, and how it is F1 never races on such circuits!
Shit track. Nice to drive in isolation probably but overtaking will be harder than most especially with only one DRS zone.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:39 pm
AlanBengio wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:27 pm What an incredible circuit this Mugello is, and how it is F1 never races on such circuits!
Shit track. Nice to drive in isolation probably but overtaking will be harder than most especially with only one DRS zone.
They are coming from a very quick corner - at a very high speed.
I bet DRS will be very effective on that straight because of that (ie high speed); especially if there is wind blowing in front of the cars
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F3 Championship race was wonderful.

Lawson (Kiwi) wins the race but behind was the action.

Theo Pourchaire (French), WHAT AN EFFORT, 9th to 3rd twice and he was in the worse car of the 3 pretenders. Rookie season at 16 years old, finishes 2nd in the championship by 1 point. Get him in F2 immediately.

Oscar Piastri (Australian) wins the championship by 1 point after a terrible last 2 races, but gets 7th on the line to win it.

Logan Sargeant (American) basically only needed to finish to become champion today. Had the title in the bag and just needed to finish ahead of his title rivals which was easy because he just needed to stay on track. Was punted off at the first corner. Probably for consistency deserved to win it really. Quick and fast in most aspects of his racing.

Get these 4 in F2 next season please :nod:
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Not even started - six cars already out
A bit too challenging this track maybe for these drivers, used to race in circuits where you have asphalt everywhere and chicanes before the main straight
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AlanBengio wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:35 pm Not even started - six cars already out
A bit too challenging this track maybe for these drivers, used to race in circuits where you have asphalt everywhere and chicanes before the main straight
Possibly the idiot in the safety car had a lot to do with the last incident.
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AlanBengio wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:35 pm Not even started - six cars already out
A bit too challenging this track maybe for these drivers, used to race in circuits where you have asphalt everywhere and chicanes before the main straight


The Italian driver got it horribly wrong on the restart.
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bimboman wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:38 pm
AlanBengio wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:35 pm Not even started - six cars already out
A bit too challenging this track maybe for these drivers, used to race in circuits where you have asphalt everywhere and chicanes before the main straight


The Italian driver got it horribly wrong on the restart.
But I think he saw the car in front of him accelerating - that was his start signal basically.
Problem is here you come from a high speed turn with the start line far ahead - not from a chicane; so Bottas (rightfully) does not want to give advantage to the ones following.
Hence the problem
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Maybe the instinct of F1 drivers nowadays is “never decelerate” - as there is always off track space where to go.
Unfortunately that is not the case here
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AlanBengio wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:47 pm Maybe the instinct of F1 drivers nowadays is “never decelerate” - as there is always off track space where to go.
Unfortunately that is not the case here


They were on the main straight. Nothing to do with run off.

Lots of inexperience caused that.
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Latifi caused that by overtaking before the start finish line realised it hit the brakes and everyone at the back piled on
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Bottas really is the eternal loser
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Stroll for the second week in a row cracks under pressure

edit - may have been technical
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Car is a wreck - broke in the middle but the cockpit resisted very well
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So bad Verstappen, Sainz etc were out of the race at the very firs stages... having proved the fast turn plus straight generate enough speed for DRS - that would have been a massive race with them on.
Bottas is just too shy to shine
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AlanBengio wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:00 pm So bad Verstappen, Sainz etc were out of the race at the very firs stages... having proved the fast turn plus straight generate enough speed for DRS - that would have been a massive race with them on.
Bottas is just too shy to shine
I don't know about the DRS making overtaking any better. The cars were all out of position after the first crash.so cars with a significant advantage were able to overtake others
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Much prefer this livery for Ferrari. Much more classy.
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Williams 11th again. :x

These last couple of races were probably their best chance of not finishing with zero points. :frown:
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Can anyone else confirm if Ferrari are stuck with this engine until 2025? That's when the new engine regs kick in. Could/would they redesign an entirely new engine under the current hybrid rules?

They have the worst engine in a very draggy chassis and with a very slow Vettel driving it. And this combination (less the hapless Vettel) will definitely be Ferrari in 2021. FIA should demand a rebate.

Shambolic.
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nardol wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:52 pm Latifi caused that by overtaking before the start finish line realised it hit the brakes and everyone at the back piled on
Seeing the highlights typical accordian effect crash from when the guys in the back are going faster than the guys up front. Leader brought them down slow which it's in his power to do so, but it increases the chances of that happening.
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Slater582 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:26 pm Williams 11th again. :x

These last couple of races were probably their best chance of not finishing with zero points. :frown:
Russel Is quick on a single lap maybe, but is always underperforming in the race; and it seems he is pretty keen on performing bad starts where he loses positions.
I would say that out of the group of Albon, Norris, Russel - the only “crack” is Norris. The other two are “ordinary” drivers (putting in perspective this in relation to F1 drivers)
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Wendigo7 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:18 am F3 Championship race was wonderful.

Lawson (Kiwi) wins the race but behind was the action.

Theo Pourchaire (French), WHAT AN EFFORT, 9th to 3rd twice and he was in the worse car of the 3 pretenders. Rookie season at 16 years old, finishes 2nd in the championship by 1 point. Get him in F2 immediately.

Oscar Piastri (Australian) wins the championship by 1 point after a terrible last 2 races, but gets 7th on the line to win it.

Logan Sargeant (American) basically only needed to finish to become champion today. Had the title in the bag and just needed to finish ahead of his title rivals which was easy because he just needed to stay on track. Was punted off at the first corner. Probably for consistency deserved to win it really. Quick and fast in most aspects of his racing.

Get these 4 in F2 next season please :nod:
So what are the different steps to F1 now? I knew a guy who raced F3000 and I thought that was the step below. Is that all v old info, as I haven't tracked it for a decade or two tbh.
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AlanBengio wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:54 am
Slater582 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:26 pm Williams 11th again. :x

These last couple of races were probably their best chance of not finishing with zero points. :frown:
Russel Is quick on a single lap maybe, but is always underperforming in the race; and it seems he is pretty keen on performing bad starts where he loses positions.
I would say that out of the group of Albon, Norris, Russel - the only “crack” is Norris. The other two are “ordinary” drivers (putting in perspective this in relation to F1 drivers)
His starts this season have been terrible.

He is comfortably the quickest of the 3 though, as evidenced in F2. His one lap pace is very, very quick. He had Vettel in his pocket but once the safety car came out, his achilles heel of starts killed him. He's been bad since he's gotten into F1 actually with starts. He's very quick in race pace though. However, he's often competing against Haas or Alfa who in a straight line aren't draggy, so he'll get past, but as long as the car behind stays within a straight, they'll breeze past him again.

He's destined for Merc in 2022 so we'll know more then, I think he was even due for 2021 until Claire put her foot down and said no.
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LandOTurk wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:44 pm
Wendigo7 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:18 am F3 Championship race was wonderful.

Lawson (Kiwi) wins the race but behind was the action.

Theo Pourchaire (French), WHAT AN EFFORT, 9th to 3rd twice and he was in the worse car of the 3 pretenders. Rookie season at 16 years old, finishes 2nd in the championship by 1 point. Get him in F2 immediately.

Oscar Piastri (Australian) wins the championship by 1 point after a terrible last 2 races, but gets 7th on the line to win it.

Logan Sargeant (American) basically only needed to finish to become champion today. Had the title in the bag and just needed to finish ahead of his title rivals which was easy because he just needed to stay on track. Was punted off at the first corner. Probably for consistency deserved to win it really. Quick and fast in most aspects of his racing.

Get these 4 in F2 next season please :nod:
So what are the different steps to F1 now? I knew a guy who raced F3000 and I thought that was the step below. Is that all v old info, as I haven't tracked it for a decade or two tbh.
F3000 = F2.
European F3 = F3

So it's F3, F2 and F1 in that order. However, only the top 6 are the only ones who get the superlicense points I believe you can get into F1 with. You also get some points for being in Indy or SuperFormula but it's very low.
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Wendigo7 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:33 pm
LandOTurk wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:44 pm
Wendigo7 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:18 am F3 Championship race was wonderful.

Lawson (Kiwi) wins the race but behind was the action.

Theo Pourchaire (French), WHAT AN EFFORT, 9th to 3rd twice and he was in the worse car of the 3 pretenders. Rookie season at 16 years old, finishes 2nd in the championship by 1 point. Get him in F2 immediately.

Oscar Piastri (Australian) wins the championship by 1 point after a terrible last 2 races, but gets 7th on the line to win it.

Logan Sargeant (American) basically only needed to finish to become champion today. Had the title in the bag and just needed to finish ahead of his title rivals which was easy because he just needed to stay on track. Was punted off at the first corner. Probably for consistency deserved to win it really. Quick and fast in most aspects of his racing.

Get these 4 in F2 next season please :nod:
So what are the different steps to F1 now? I knew a guy who raced F3000 and I thought that was the step below. Is that all v old info, as I haven't tracked it for a decade or two tbh.
F3000 = F2.
European F3 = F3

So it's F3, F2 and F1 in that order. However, only the top 6 are the only ones who get the superlicense points I believe you can get into F1 with. You also get some points for being in Indy or SuperFormula but it's very low.
You get points for almost anything. The NASCAR champion even has points assigned to it and they've started giving points to Formula W. There was a guy over here that raced in Indy Lights for a few years due to lack of funding to move up further at that point, and he almost had enough points to qualify for a Superlicense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Super ... quirements

Your avenue to the top is pretty much whatever you and your monetary backers want it to be. They have added a little bit of meritocracy to it via the Superlicense points system as the powerbrokers in Europe were not happy at the time with Max Verstappen getting into F1 after so few car races (he was quick, but it also risked the ladder system ceasing to be relevant if guys just skipped levels at will, which if became standard practice would've meant a lot of lost racing industry jobs). An example of it stopping a driver from getting into F1 is Daniel Ticktum. He was in the Red Bull Junior program when they had no one to promote to F1 and they put him in Super Formula in 2019. Ticktum was back half of the field 3 races in and they summarily released him when they realized he wouldn't qualify for a Superlicense, and Kvyat's career at Toro Rosso/AlphaTauri got extended. He's now running in F2, 11th in points.
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Tcktums main problem is being odious.
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What's the thing with ticktum? What was the douchebag thing('s) he did?
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nardol wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:25 am What's the thing with ticktum? What was the douchebag thing('s) he did?
2015 wrote:British teenager Daniel Ticktum has been hit with a two-year racing ban by UK governing body the Motor Sports Association for what it deemed "a disturbing and dangerous episode".

Ticktum overtook 10 competitors under safety car conditions to catch and crash into MSA Formula championship rival Ricky Collard in race three at the Silverstone round.
wasn’t a first-time offence, either, with Ticktum having been excluded from a weekend earlier in the year after deliberately hitting rival Lando Norris on track.
After this nightmare weekend, Ticktum possibly reflecting the completion of his points lead being wiped out, put up an Instagram post, where he accused the PREMA team that Schumacher drove for of cheating and having an unfair advantage because his name wasn't Schumacher.
2020 wrote:“The next time that BEEP pulls a move like that, I’ll crash with him, I’ll tell you that, I’ll never give him that much respect,” he ranted over the radio.
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: :uhoh: x(
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AlanBengio wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:47 am https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/54259817
Domenicali to head F1
Ferrari to have a sudden and unexplained huge increase in straight line speed next year.
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Wendigo7 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:32 pm
AlanBengio wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:54 am
Slater582 wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:26 pm Williams 11th again. :x

These last couple of races were probably their best chance of not finishing with zero points. :frown:
Russel Is quick on a single lap maybe, but is always underperforming in the race; and it seems he is pretty keen on performing bad starts where he loses positions.
I would say that out of the group of Albon, Norris, Russel - the only “crack” is Norris. The other two are “ordinary” drivers (putting in perspective this in relation to F1 drivers)
His starts this season have been terrible.

He is comfortably the quickest of the 3 though, as evidenced in F2. His one lap pace is very, very quick. He had Vettel in his pocket but once the safety car came out, his achilles heel of starts killed him. He's been bad since he's gotten into F1 actually with starts. He's very quick in race pace though. However, he's often competing against Haas or Alfa who in a straight line aren't draggy, so he'll get past, but as long as the car behind stays within a straight, they'll breeze past him again.

He's destined for Merc in 2022 so we'll know more then, I think he was even due for 2021 until Claire put her foot down and said no.
This description of Russell is pretty much how you would describe Bottas: great driver, mediocre racer.

Both have amazing one-lap pace and pull out excellent qualifying times, but don't win the race show-downs with other drivers. It will be interesting to see how he does in a competitive car before writing him off, though.
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You don’t win the F2 title by not being a “racer”
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:55 am
AlanBengio wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:47 am https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/54259817
Domenicali to head F1
Ferrari to have a sudden and unexplained huge increase in straight line speed next year.
Yep. The corruption goes on and on and on and.......
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terryfinch wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:56 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:55 am
AlanBengio wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:47 am https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/54259817
Domenicali to head F1
Ferrari to have a sudden and unexplained huge increase in straight line speed next year.
Yep. The corruption goes on and on and on and.......
It has more to do to the fact that Italy is one of the cradles of motorsport since the beginning of that, and you have many qualified people involved into it
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AlanBengio wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:27 pm
terryfinch wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:56 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:55 am
AlanBengio wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:47 am https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/54259817
Domenicali to head F1
Ferrari to have a sudden and unexplained huge increase in straight line speed next year.
Yep. The corruption goes on and on and on and.......
It has more to do to the fact that Italy is one of the cradles of motorsport since the beginning of that, and you have many qualified people involved into it
Edit: and factories - from Ferrari to Alfa to Alphatauri to main kart producers, bunch of F2 and F3 teams etc ending with Dallara just to mention something
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AlanBengio wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:27 pm
terryfinch wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:56 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:55 am
AlanBengio wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:47 am https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/54259817
Domenicali to head F1
Ferrari to have a sudden and unexplained huge increase in straight line speed next year.
Yep. The corruption goes on and on and on and.......
It has more to do to the fact that Italy is one of the cradles of motorsport since the beginning of that, and you have many qualified people involved into it
Let's talk about cradles...

British F1 teams;

Mercedes
Red Bull
Mclaren
Renault
Racing Point
Williams

Lotus
March
Lola
Brabham
Reynard
BRM
...

British F1 engine suppliers

Ilmor (Mercedes)
Cosworth
Hart
Judd


The list of British F2, F3, FF teams etc etc etc is vast.
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AlanBengio wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:27 pm
terryfinch wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:56 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:55 am
AlanBengio wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:47 am https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/54259817
Domenicali to head F1
Ferrari to have a sudden and unexplained huge increase in straight line speed next year.
Yep. The corruption goes on and on and on and.......
It has more to do to the fact that Italy is one of the cradles of motorsport since the beginning of that, and you have many qualified people involved into it
Do you think it was right that the governing body did a secret deal with Ferrari rearding their cheating last year
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:57 pm
AlanBengio wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:27 pm
terryfinch wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:56 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:55 am
AlanBengio wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:47 am https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/54259817
Domenicali to head F1
Ferrari to have a sudden and unexplained huge increase in straight line speed next year.
Yep. The corruption goes on and on and on and.......
It has more to do to the fact that Italy is one of the cradles of motorsport since the beginning of that, and you have many qualified people involved into it
Do you think it was right that the governing body did a secret deal with Ferrari rearding their cheating last year
It may well be Ferrari is the only team not cheating on the engine right now because of that
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