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nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:19 am

mr bungle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:05 am From PlanetF1.com

Following on from the poll from the Copse incident where do you think the blame lies for the incident at Turn 2 at the Italian GP?

Edit, will update as more drivers voice their opinion

Drivers Saying Racing Incident
Brundle, Di Resta, Massa, Ricciardo, Chandok

Drivers Blaming Verstappen
Hill, Herbert, Hamilton

Drivers Blaming Hamilton
Verstappen

Forum Poll
Hamilton
3
4%

Verstappen
51
67%

Racing Incident
22
29%

Total votes: 76

Look at all the Brits..... What nationality were the stewards out of interest.

Being a racing incident doesn't preclude a driver(s) being partially/fully at fault for an incident.

Muttonbirds wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:00 am

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:56 am

Muttonbirds wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:04 am Don't know much

You are a grade 1 dick, mate. That's me saying that.

More of triggered than trigonometry

blindcider wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:27 am

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:19 am

mr bungle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:05 am From PlanetF1.com

Following on from the poll from the Copse incident where do you think the blame lies for the incident at Turn 2 at the Italian GP?

Edit, will update as more drivers voice their opinion

Drivers Saying Racing Incident
Brundle, Di Resta, Massa, Ricciardo, Chandok

Drivers Blaming Verstappen
Hill, Herbert, Hamilton

Drivers Blaming Hamilton
Verstappen

Forum Poll
Hamilton
3
4%

Verstappen
51
67%

Racing Incident
22
29%

Total votes: 76

Look at all the Brits..... What nationality were the stewards out of interest.

Being a racing incident doesn't preclude a driver(s) being partially/fully at fault for an incident.

It's also 76 people out of a sport watched my how many? And being the internet it might even just be 1 person who's 76 times sadder than any possible 1 voter

Still, you'd have to wonder where you'd find 4% who think it's Hamilton's fault, that's far out there even for the internet

Wasn’t meant to be scientific. I just liked this comment

Drivers Blaming Hamilton
Verstappen

any stories as to what caused the red bull pit stop fkup?

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:45 am

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:39 am any stories as to what caused the red bull pit stop fkup?

Too technical for anyone who thinks Verstappen was first into the second part of the chicane.

You're very witty.

Alternatively to sharing the joys of your wit with us you could say I don't know or not answer a question you don't know the answer to.

My personal preference would however be to actually be witty. I won't hold my breath though.

i still think it was a fair manoeuvre. May have been wrong about being a head though. Still don't think VER did anything wrong. He did everything to avoid contact.

Take a look at the Lawson in the F2 did the same thing, great move.

Tnx for details

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:08 am

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:02 am i still think it was a fair manoeuvre. May have been wrong about being a head though. Still don't think VER did anything wrong. He did everything to avoid contact.

Take a look at the Lawson in the F2 did the same thing, great move.

Verstappen did everything he could to force past Hamilton. In doing that he took a serious risk and failed. He's done this exact thing a number of times in his career... gamble heavily and trust his bullying will pay off. Other drivers have done the same thing over the years, it's an accusation that was levelled at Senna and Schumacher.

He's not in their league. He's up against it with Hamilton this year in a car that gives him the speed to take the fight to LH...

when it's come down to having the balls to carry the fight cleanly, he fails. He hasn't got the temperament to sustain and withstand pressure.

I don't know. I think he has played it tactically brilliant.
Merc were very obviously faster in monza. Max leaves with 2 points vs ham nil. Not a bad result specially considering Russia was always going to be the Silverstone engine replacement.

You say failed, i say great result for rb in championship. It's impossible to win cleanly when you're so outpowered on a track. Ham stays ahead of him there he loses points in championship.

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:02 am i still think it was a fair manoeuvre. May have been wrong about being a head though. Still don't think VER did anything wrong. He did everything to avoid contact.

Take a look at the Lawson in the F2 did the same thing, great move.

Tnx for details

You’ve got to be pretty special to think he did everything to avoid contact.

mr bungle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:05 am From PlanetF1.com

Following on from the poll from the Copse incident where do you think the blame lies for the incident at Turn 2 at the Italian GP?

Edit, will update as more drivers voice their opinion

Drivers Saying Racing Incident
Brundle, Di Resta, Massa, Ricciardo, Chandok

Drivers Blaming Verstappen
Hill, Herbert, Hamilton

Drivers Blaming Hamilton
Verstappen

All that says to me is that it's embarrassing for Damon and Johnny, any self respecting driver should be saying racing incident.

de_Selby wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:18 am

mr bungle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:05 am From PlanetF1.com

Following on from the poll from the Copse incident where do you think the blame lies for the incident at Turn 2 at the Italian GP?

Edit, will update as more drivers voice their opinion

Drivers Saying Racing Incident
Brundle, Di Resta, Massa, Ricciardo, Chandok

Drivers Blaming Verstappen
Hill, Herbert, Hamilton

Drivers Blaming Hamilton
Verstappen

All that says to me is that it's embarrassing for Damon and Johnny, any self respecting driver should be saying racing incident.

Even after the stewards backed that view.

The stewards painted themselves in a corner after giving Hamilton a penalty for silverstone so had to be consistent. It's still a racing incident

de_Selby wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:21 am The stewards painted themselves in a corner after giving Hamilton a penalty for silverstone so had to be consistent. It's still a racing incident

Maybe you are just making shit up to fit your narrative.

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:17 am

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:02 am i still think it was a fair manoeuvre. May have been wrong about being a head though. Still don't think VER did anything wrong. He did everything to avoid contact.

Take a look at the Lawson in the F2 did the same thing, great move.

Tnx for details

You’ve got to be pretty special to think he did everything to avoid contact.

other then drive off the track entirely, yes he did.

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:19 am

mr bungle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:05 am From PlanetF1.com

Following on from the poll from the Copse incident where do you think the blame lies for the incident at Turn 2 at the Italian GP?

Edit, will update as more drivers voice their opinion

Drivers Saying Racing Incident
Brundle, Di Resta, Massa, Ricciardo, Chandok

Drivers Blaming Verstappen
Hill, Herbert, Hamilton

Drivers Blaming Hamilton
Verstappen

Forum Poll
Hamilton
3
4%

Verstappen
51
67%

Racing Incident
22
29%

Total votes: 76

Look at all the Brits..... What nationality were the stewards out of interest.

American, Italian and French/Spanish I believe were the ones looking at the incident.

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:13 am

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:08 am

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:02 am i still think it was a fair manoeuvre. May have been wrong about being a head though. Still don't think VER did anything wrong. He did everything to avoid contact.

Take a look at the Lawson in the F2 did the same thing, great move.

Verstappen did everything he could to force past Hamilton. In doing that he took a serious risk and failed. He's done this exact thing a number of times in his career... gamble heavily and trust his bullying will pay off. Other drivers have done the same thing over the years, it's an accusation that was levelled at Senna and Schumacher.

He's not in their league. He's up against it with Hamilton this year in a car that gives him the speed to take the fight to LH...

when it's come down to having the balls to carry the fight cleanly, he fails. He hasn't got the temperament to sustain and withstand pressure.

I don't know. I think he has played it tactically brilliant.
Merc were very obviously faster in monza. Max leaves with 2 points vs ham nil. Not a bad result specially considering Russia was always going to be the Silverstone engine replacement.

You say failed, i say great result for rb in championship. It's impossible to win cleanly when you're so outpowered on a track. Ham stays ahead of him there he loses points in championship.

So your solution is that Lewis tactically takes him out the following races.

This isn’t banger racing for Godsake. At some point with any driver they have to yield. He doesn’t.

Only driver on the field who lives in a different world. How would people be thinking if he was doing this to Lando or Charles in a title race.

Max would be getting dogs abuse for his driving and the pass he gets now, he wouldn’t be getting for the sake of… it’s exciting etc.

Lando pushed perez off track in Zandvoort. Don't pretend its just max, take off the brit goggles

Quins89 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:28 pm

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:13 am

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:08 am

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:02 am i still think it was a fair manoeuvre. May have been wrong about being a head though. Still don't think VER did anything wrong. He did everything to avoid contact.

Take a look at the Lawson in the F2 did the same thing, great move.

Verstappen did everything he could to force past Hamilton. In doing that he took a serious risk and failed. He's done this exact thing a number of times in his career... gamble heavily and trust his bullying will pay off. Other drivers have done the same thing over the years, it's an accusation that was levelled at Senna and Schumacher.

He's not in their league. He's up against it with Hamilton this year in a car that gives him the speed to take the fight to LH...

when it's come down to having the balls to carry the fight cleanly, he fails. He hasn't got the temperament to sustain and withstand pressure.

I don't know. I think he has played it tactically brilliant.
Merc were very obviously faster in monza. Max leaves with 2 points vs ham nil. Not a bad result specially considering Russia was always going to be the Silverstone engine replacement.

You say failed, i say great result for rb in championship. It's impossible to win cleanly when you're so outpowered on a track. Ham stays ahead of him there he loses points in championship.

So your solution is that Lewis tactically takes him out the following races.

This isn’t banger racing for Godsake. At some point with any driver they have to yield. He doesn’t.

Only driver on the field who lives in a different world. How would people be thinking if he was doing this to Lando or Charles in a title race.

Max would be getting dogs abuse for his driving and the pass he gets now, he wouldn’t be getting for the sake of… it’s exciting etc.

it's hard racing, where he goes i am here and im not moving. uncompromising. Nothing wrong with it.

The outcome of this event (prior to considering the grid penalty) is clearly advantage Max in that he stretched his lead when on the day Lewis could've finished 1st to retake the lead in the championship.

But there's no way that's a tactical call from Max, he had full left lock on his steering but hitting the kerb went straight on into Lewis, and there's no way to predict how that would have panned out even if it had been an intended collision which it wasn't

Not sure how one observes the obvious reality that Max was behind and think Max did nothing wrong, he's not the first driver to try and bully his way through, and as a younger driver Lewis certainly pulled the odd stunt. But in this instance, and certainly given how the regs are, it's just a nailed on error from Max. Just the error happened to work out for on the day, and now he needs to try and recover the damage from the penalty he'll carry forwards to try and stop Lewis clawing that gain and more back.

It's certainly well set up in the championship

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:48 pm

Quins89 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:28 pm

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:13 am

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:08 am

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:02 am i still think it was a fair manoeuvre. May have been wrong about being a head though. Still don't think VER did anything wrong. He did everything to avoid contact.

Take a look at the Lawson in the F2 did the same thing, great move.

Verstappen did everything he could to force past Hamilton. In doing that he took a serious risk and failed. He's done this exact thing a number of times in his career... gamble heavily and trust his bullying will pay off. Other drivers have done the same thing over the years, it's an accusation that was levelled at Senna and Schumacher.

He's not in their league. He's up against it with Hamilton this year in a car that gives him the speed to take the fight to LH...

when it's come down to having the balls to carry the fight cleanly, he fails. He hasn't got the temperament to sustain and withstand pressure.

I don't know. I think he has played it tactically brilliant.
Merc were very obviously faster in monza. Max leaves with 2 points vs ham nil. Not a bad result specially considering Russia was always going to be the Silverstone engine replacement.

You say failed, i say great result for rb in championship. It's impossible to win cleanly when you're so outpowered on a track. Ham stays ahead of him there he loses points in championship.

So your solution is that Lewis tactically takes him out the following races.

This isn’t banger racing for Godsake. At some point with any driver they have to yield. He doesn’t.

Only driver on the field who lives in a different world. How would people be thinking if he was doing this to Lando or Charles in a title race.

Max would be getting dogs abuse for his driving and the pass he gets now, he wouldn’t be getting for the sake of… it’s exciting etc.

it's hard racing, where he goes i am here and im not moving. uncompromising. Nothing wrong with it.

That's a reasonable point of view, the Senna idea of if I see a gap I go for it. Merely it's not what the regulations say, and it's not how other drivers treat Max, though they will if Max doesn't ameliorate his own behaviour towards them

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:48 pm

Quins89 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:28 pm

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:13 am

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:08 am

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:02 am i still think it was a fair manoeuvre. May have been wrong about being a head though. Still don't think VER did anything wrong. He did everything to avoid contact.

Take a look at the Lawson in the F2 did the same thing, great move.

Verstappen did everything he could to force past Hamilton. In doing that he took a serious risk and failed. He's done this exact thing a number of times in his career... gamble heavily and trust his bullying will pay off. Other drivers have done the same thing over the years, it's an accusation that was levelled at Senna and Schumacher.

He's not in their league. He's up against it with Hamilton this year in a car that gives him the speed to take the fight to LH...

when it's come down to having the balls to carry the fight cleanly, he fails. He hasn't got the temperament to sustain and withstand pressure.

I don't know. I think he has played it tactically brilliant.
Merc were very obviously faster in monza. Max leaves with 2 points vs ham nil. Not a bad result specially considering Russia was always going to be the Silverstone engine replacement.

You say failed, i say great result for rb in championship. It's impossible to win cleanly when you're so outpowered on a track. Ham stays ahead of him there he loses points in championship.

So your solution is that Lewis tactically takes him out the following races.

This isn’t banger racing for Godsake. At some point with any driver they have to yield. He doesn’t.

Only driver on the field who lives in a different world. How would people be thinking if he was doing this to Lando or Charles in a title race.

Max would be getting dogs abuse for his driving and the pass he gets now, he wouldn’t be getting for the sake of… it’s exciting etc.

it's hard racing, where he goes i am here and im not moving. uncompromising. Nothing wrong with it.

I seem to recall that you didnt have that opinion at Silverstone when Hamilton refused to compromise...

You seem very quick to throw the biased Brit moniker about when you are just as bad as the most fervent Hamilton supporters on here. Yesterday was foolish and stupid from Max, several times at that corner drivers found themselves in that position and backed out enough to avoid an accident.

Shame it didnt lead to a Norris win but a 1-2 for my favourite team is all good

max pinned his car to the inside, lewis did no such thing in Silverstone.

It's true that i do have a dislike of hamilton. A more insincere driver there is not

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:16 pm max pinned his car to the inside, lewis did no such thing in Silverstone.

It's true that i do have a dislike of hamilton. A more insincere driver there is not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaX_Z0r57nU

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:16 pm max pinned his car to the inside, lewis did no such thing in Silverstone.

It's true that i do have a dislike of hamilton. A more insincere driver there is not

The insincerity is what irritates me about him (and why I've obviously chosen to support Max). But more annoying people going on about Max having anger issues and other BS.

IMO underneath the facade Lewis and Max are the exact same - the 2 most talented drivers, both incredibly competitive and both drive aggressively.

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:16 pm max pinned his car to the inside, lewis did no such thing in Silverstone.

It's true that i do have a dislike of hamilton. A more insincere driver there is not

You’re basically in agreement with Max that he should always be left room. His behaviour has been consistently this since his entry to the sport.

I dearly hope this causes him to lose this year and he spends the rest of his career behind George and Lando, slowly boiling into another versions of the c unt his father is,

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:38 pm

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:16 pm max pinned his car to the inside, lewis did no such thing in Silverstone.

It's true that i do have a dislike of hamilton. A more insincere driver there is not

You’re basically in agreement with Max that he should always be left room. His behaviour has been consistently this since his entry to the sport.

I dearly hope this causes him to lose this year and he spends the rest of his career behind George and Lando, slowly boiling into another versions of the c unt his father is,

gosh you're showing a lot of but hurt to a retired driver than never won a gp and was a bit part player in f1 history.

Did your wife have an affair with him or something? So much rage to an insignificant f1 drivers is most disturbing.

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:04 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:38 pm

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:16 pm max pinned his car to the inside, lewis did no such thing in Silverstone.

It's true that i do have a dislike of hamilton. A more insincere driver there is not

You’re basically in agreement with Max that he should always be left room. His behaviour has been consistently this since his entry to the sport.

I dearly hope this causes him to lose this year and he spends the rest of his career behind George and Lando, slowly boiling into another versions of the c unt his father is,

gosh you're showing a lot of but hurt to a retired driver than never won a gp and was a bit part player in f1 history.

Did your wife have an affair with him or something? So much rage to an insignificant f1 drivers is most disturbing.

I’m being open about my wishes that’s all.

It’s not rage on my behalf just my wishes on how I hope it works out. Jos btw is a renowned piece of shit, as some of he Dutchies you’re around they’ll tell you.

What isn’t in doubt is Max’s on and off track behaviour since he started in F1 , fully encouraged by his loathsome family. Seeing you’re a fan and guessing “why” Lewis annoys you so much isn’t the mystery you think.

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:38 pm

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:16 pm max pinned his car to the inside, lewis did no such thing in Silverstone.

It's true that i do have a dislike of hamilton. A more insincere driver there is not

You’re basically in agreement with Max that he should always be left room. His behaviour has been consistently this since his entry to the sport.

I dearly hope this causes him to lose this year and he spends the rest of his career behind George and Lando, slowly boiling into another versions of the c unt his father is,

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:22 pm https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ogh1kHwivrI

Someone forward that on to Michael Masi

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:44 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:17 am You’ve got to be pretty special to think he did everything to avoid contact.

other then drive off the track entirely, yes he did.

nardol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:13 am

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:08 am Verstappen did everything he could to force past Hamilton. In doing that he took a serious risk and failed. He's done this exact thing a number of times in his career... gamble heavily and trust his bullying will pay off. Other drivers have done the same thing over the years, it's an accusation that was levelled at Senna and Schumacher.

He's not in their league. He's up against it with Hamilton this year in a car that gives him the speed to take the fight to LH...

when it's come down to having the balls to carry the fight cleanly, he fails. He hasn't got the temperament to sustain and withstand pressure.

I don't know. I think he has played it tactically brilliant.
Merc were very obviously faster in monza. Max leaves with 2 points vs ham nil. Not a bad result specially considering Russia was always going to be the Silverstone engine replacement.

You say failed, i say great result for rb in championship. It's impossible to win cleanly when you're so outpowered on a track. Ham stays ahead of him there he loses points in championship.

Utterly shameless disingenuousness in the blink of an eye from a world-class troll!

because a racing incident where you do every thing to avoid a crash but still crash

and

Putting in a challenge where you know what the potential outcome is and in the grand scheme of things a two car crash is not a bad thing but as long as you race fair...

exact same thing.


Your world must be so simple having only binary options.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:56 am

trying too hard, i smell your couch juice from here

nardol wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:32 am because a racing incident where you do every thing to avoid a crash but still crash

and

Putting in a challenge where you know what the potential outcome is and in the grand scheme of things a two car crash is not a bad thing but as long as you race fair...

exact same thing.


Your world must be so simple having only binary options.

Best to just accept the decision of the steeards and move on

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:39 am

nardol wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:32 am because a racing incident where you do every thing to avoid a crash but still crash

and

Putting in a challenge where you know what the potential outcome is and in the grand scheme of things a two car crash is not a bad thing but as long as you race fair...

exact same thing.


Your world must be so simple having only binary options.

Best to just accept the decision of the steeards and move on

Think that's been the RB approach. Zero net impact with Silverstone engine damage PU replacement next up anyway.

nardol wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:41 am

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:39 am

nardol wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:32 am because a racing incident where you do every thing to avoid a crash but still crash

and

Putting in a challenge where you know what the potential outcome is and in the grand scheme of things a two car crash is not a bad thing but as long as you race fair...

exact same thing.


Your world must be so simple having only binary options.

Best to just accept the decision of the steeards and move on

Think that's been the RB approach. Zero net impact with Silverstone engine damage PU replacement next up anyway.

I can all but guarantee you the points Max got on his license will zero your net impact up your anus at some stage this season

he has fewer points than lewis, or have Lewis's from last year expired?

nardol wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:55 am he has fewer points than lewis, or have Lewis's from last year expired?

No he doesn't they both have 2

Lewis's have expired so