New Wallabies Coach - bring on the World Cup!

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Since the other thread is mainly about Link and the resignation, it's worth just looking at who the new coach/s will be.

Seems it could be Cheika/Larkham, with both continuing their club duties next year (not sure if that'd work). Seems Cheika doesn't have a get-out clause, so this may be the only option.
Michael Cheika, Stephen Larkham could form dream team to coach Wallabies following Ewen McKenzie’s resignation


A WALLABIES coaching dream team of Michael Cheika and Stephen Larkham is being considered by the ARU powerbrokers following Ewen McKenzie’s shock resignation.

But the respective Super Rugby franchises have cast doubt over a quick switch by one or both, with NSW bosses to insist Cheika coaches the Waratahs next year, and the Brumbies saying it is “unfeasible” Larkham juggles two jobs.

Cheika yesterday emerged as the leading candidate to take over the Wallabies ahead of Jake White, although it can be revealed he doesn’t have an out clause in his contract and would need Waratah approval to take the job.

“We are not going to belligerent about it but we are not going to trash the Waratahs either,” Waratahs chairman Roger Davis said.

But the respective Super Rugby franchises have cast doubt over a quick switch by one or both, with NSW bosses to insist Cheika coaches the Waratahs next year, and the Brumbies saying it is “unfeasible” Larkham juggles two jobs.

Cheika yesterday emerged as the leading candidate to take over the Wallabies ahead of Jake White, although it can be revealed he doesn’t have an out clause in his contract and would need Waratah approval to take the job.

“We are not going to belligerent about it but we are not going to trash the Waratahs either,” Waratahs chairman Roger Davis said.

But the ARU rugby committee, who had a phone hook-up on Sunday night, is believed to be looking hard at an All Black-style “coaching team” to lead the Wallabies to the 2015 World Cup and beyond.

Cheika and Larkham were nominated by former Wallabies coach Bob Dwyer last week and though promoting both throws up all sorts of problems for Australia’s top two clubs, it may also provide political balance in an already heated environment.

Former Wallabies coach Eddie Jones endorsed the move.

“Cheika is a very strong figure to command the dressing room because there is obviously a divide,” Jones said.

“They need the best people in there and that means Steve Larkham along side him.

“If Jake was still coaching at the Brumbies (2012-13) it would be different but since he’s left Australian rugby it’s very difficult to bring him back.”

Regardless of whether Larkham can take on a backs coach role, Cheika was a universal pick yesterday among ex-Wallaby players and coaches.

“Ewen is a great mate, and I am very, very sad to see what’s happened,” Simon Poidevin said.

“Cheik has every attribute that should be there as a coach of the Wallabies. He plays a fantastic style of game that brought the crowds back in NSW.”

The Wallabies require a new coach by Friday, when they leave for the Spring Tour, but the Waratahs will only sign off if Cheika can help the team defend their Super Rugby title first.

“We would view an approach from the ARU favourably but would want to be assured of appropriate transition arrangements. The chances of us getting a replacement coach for next year are very, very difficult at this time. So there goes our season and we have sponsor responsibilities,” Davis said.

The move does have precedent, with Robbie Deans coaching the Crusaders in 2008 before taking over as Wallabies coach. The difference is Cheika would only have four Tests after the Super Rugby season before the World Cup.

“I have some sympathy for the ARU,” Davis said.

“They have to find a coach in seven days and I have a little longer, but the problem is still the same.

“2016 is a different story but 2015 we would be struggling. It is a quiet year next year so one would hope we can work out something that is mutually acceptable.”


Cheika’s elevation to the Wallabies top job could potentially save Kurtley Beale from being axed by the ARU if he gets an adverse finding in his Code of Conduct hearing on Friday.

Brumbies CEO Doug Edwards said Larkham was interested to help out the Wallabies if possible but not at the expense of the Brumbies.

“We have had no discussions at all with anyone at the ARU. I spoke to Bernie last week and he said “if I could help out I would but I am 100 per cent committed to staying here at the Brumbies” and that’s what he signed on for,” Edwards said.

“I do think it is unfeasible (to do both jobs). Just the work he does and the hours he puts into the Brumbies is amazing. He spends a lot of time not just with the Brumbies, but our academy. It’d be pretty hard to do both. I would be extremely surprised if that happened.”
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With Fisher gone I don't think Larkham has the assistants with the required experience to take over pre-season work for the next 5 to 6 weeks if he is appointed.
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Have heard a rumour, Jake White is on his way to save the day
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Seems like a money play by the Soup sides. The whole thing is something of a financial mess for the ARU. Because Link resigned they at least don't have to pay out his contract, correct? The ARU just needs to pay off their SXV franchises?
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Waihora wrote:Have heard a rumour, Jake White is on his way to save the day
Jakeball! :thumbup:
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It'll be f**king Jake White.

I like his player management but his style of rugby can eat a dick.
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The more this plays out the more it seems that this wasn't just a falling out between McKenzie and his players, but a Waratah led coup. The Tahs players wanted their S15 coach running the Wallabies and now they will have him. There has never been a more blatant example of player power in the sport of rugby.
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Chilli wrote:
Waihora wrote:Have heard a rumour, Jake White is on his way to save the day
Jakeball! :thumbup:
WHAT?
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YOU'RE NOT JOKING!?!?
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Ali's Choice wrote:The more this plays out the more it seems that this wasn't just a falling out between McKenzie and his players, but a Waratah led coup. The Tahs players wanted their S15 coach running the Wallabies and now they will have him. There has never been a more blatant example of player power in the sport of rugby.
I agree but I don't want to be lumped into the "Weirdo Conspiracy Tard" bracket. :(
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Thomas wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:The more this plays out the more it seems that this wasn't just a falling out between McKenzie and his players, but a Waratah led coup. The Tahs players wanted their S15 coach running the Wallabies and now they will have him. There has never been a more blatant example of player power in the sport of rugby.
I agree but I don't want to be lumped into the "Weirdo Conspiracy Tard" bracket. :(
What happened to our revolution? :(
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For the POMS amongst us: why on earth would the waratah players lead a coup? Whats so special about the tah's?
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Redsfan wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:The more this plays out the more it seems that this wasn't just a falling out between McKenzie and his players, but a Waratah led coup. The Tahs players wanted their S15 coach running the Wallabies and now they will have him. There has never been a more blatant example of player power in the sport of rugby.
I agree but I don't want to be lumped into the "Weirdo Conspiracy Tard" bracket. :(
What happened to our revolution? :(
Shhh.

It's a diversion.
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Johnny Marrmight wrote:For the POMS amongst us: why on earth would the waratah players lead a coup? Whats so special about the tah's?
They won the S15 this year. They think they're God's gift to franchise rugby.

The only issue with my NSW coup fantasy is that McKenzie is a dyed in the wool New South Welshman.
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Ali's Choice wrote:The more this plays out the more it seems that this wasn't just a falling out between McKenzie and his players, but a Waratah led coup. The Tahs players wanted their S15 coach running the Wallabies and now they will have him. There has never been a more blatant example of player power in the sport of rugby.
Didn't the Rebels contingent do this last time?
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Johnny Marrmight wrote:For the POMS amongst us: why on earth would the waratah players lead a coup? Whats so special about the tah's?
The only issue with my NSW coup fantasy is that McKenzie is a dyed in the wool New South Welshman.
Rugbywise almost a complete yes as he had a couple of seasons at the Brumbies. Born and raised in Melbourne though.
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SO is this equivalent to Leicester players ousting the England coach and demanding Cockers be allowed to coach the England team?

What a f**king shambles Aussies!
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Johnny Marrmight wrote:SO is this equivalent to Leicester players ousting the England coach and demanding Cockers be allowed to coach the England team?

What a f**k shambles Aussies!
Pretty much.

To make matters worse Cheika is demanding that he be allowed to continue coaching the Waratahs if he is appointed Wallaby coach. He knows he has the ARU caught between a rock and a hard place. They have no option but to appoint him, otherwise he'll get Michael Hooper and AAC to stage another coup.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Johnny Marrmight wrote:SO is this equivalent to Leicester players ousting the England coach and demanding Cockers be allowed to coach the England team?

What a f**k shambles Aussies!
Pretty much.

To make matters worse Cheika is demanding that he be allowed to continue coaching the Waratahs if he is appointed Wallaby coach. He knows he has the ARU caught between a rock and a hard place. They have no option but to appoint him, otherwise he'll get Michael Hooper and AAC to stage another coup.

Ok, Adam Ashley Couper. Makes sense.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Johnny Marrmight wrote:For the POMS amongst us: why on earth would the waratah players lead a coup? Whats so special about the tah's?
They won the S15 this year. They think they're God's gift to franchise rugby.

The only issue with my NSW coup fantasy is that McKenzie is a dyed in the wool New South Welshman.

He is a Victorian, actually. Played rugby at Scotch College. Yes, he did play for Randwick and the state. But he moved on to play for the Brumbies.


So if we add in his time with the Reds, the only province he has no connection with is WA.
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WELL done Wallabies. You have killed another coach.

Any danger you could win a Test match?

Wayne Bennett once referred to one of his Broncos teams as coachkillers, but they have nothing on this Wallaby side.

Before joining the Wallabies, Ewen McKenzie and Robbie Deans had blue chip reputations, domestic titles, universal respect and the sort of hard-bitten experience that would enable them to absorb mortar fire from all directions.

Or so we thought.

By the end of their truncated careers at the Wallabies — Deans was sacked, McKenzie quit — the duo were spat out of the system with their reputations shredded, their self-esteemed flagging and their love of coaching strewn like sawdust around their feet.

Figures of ridicule. Inept. Unable to connect with that dreaded beast, “the playing group’’, who rebelled behind their backs and got them in the end.

Gosh, it’s amazing how quickly coaches lose their ability at the top level. Thank heavens it’s not the players’ fault.

Or is it?

The harsh facts about this ordinary, hard-to-love Wallabies team is that they have done next to nothing of major significance for a decade.

If only the players marked themselves as hard as they mark their coaches.

It’s true that the Wallabies’ narrow loss to the All Blacks at Suncorp Stadium on Saturday night was one of their better displays for some time and one to be proud of.

However while the gap between the sides was one point the gap between their cultures is wider than an elephant’s backside.

An article in Sunday’s New Zealand Herald said it all.

It spotlighted how, in New Zealand, the team is always bigger than the individual.

It pondered whether some Kiwi players may have disagreed with Aaron Cruden being banned for a couple of Test matches for being late for a flight to Argentina recently but, unlike the furore over the Kurtley Beale texting affair, there was not a peep of protest.

It pointed out how this has always been the All Black way, right back to when All Black legend “Buck’’ Shelford was dropped.

Even now the reasons why Shelford was sacked and how he felt about it are unclear.

There are many such mysteries across the Tasman.

Did Jerry Collins quit his contract a year early because he fell out with Richie McCaw? Some say yes but the facts may never be known because neither man is talking.

That’s the All Blacks.

It is not the All Black way to blow up, or get your manager to blow up or get your teammates to blow up on your behalf.

When you are an All Black, everyone knows the cultural rules and almost everyone plays by them.

It has been that way forever and a day.

That doesn’t mean there are not flashpoints but there is no suggestion that the team will ever be compromised by an individual.

That’s why the All Blacks keep winning and precious Australia, with its rampant player power, remain the Mediocre Men of world rugby.

Australian rugby follows a cringe-worthy cycle where even the most casual critic can play fortune-teller and generally get it right.

If Michael Cheika gets the job as Wallaby coach, then standby for a series of backslapping stories from south of the border saying how his go-ahead style is just what the game needs.

Then would come a deluge of positive endorsements from the players claiming how the camp is as happy as they have known it.

They will come a few early wins and then — sad to say it — the whole happy show will run into a freight train called the All Blacks next year and the same old questions will be asked about the same old team.

Soon enough, player power will have its say and “Miracle Mike’’ will become yesterday’s man. The whole cycle will start again.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/rug ... 7095409509

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precious Australia, with its rampant player power
They are, indeed, precious. We shall now forever name them such.

Precious Aussie. :thumbup:
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naki wrote:
precious Australia, with its rampant player power
They are, indeed, precious. We shall now forever name them such.

Precious Aussie. :thumbup:
f**king Australians. :x
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Johnny Marrmight wrote:SO is this equivalent to Leicester players ousting the England coach and demanding Cockers be allowed to coach the England team?

What a f**k shambles Aussies!
A better comparison would be say, reigning HEC Champions undermining their National Coach in order to get their Provincial coach the gig instead.

Lucky that sort of behaviour doesn't happen here. ;)
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Makes you wonder about the bollocks written about Deans encouraging the team to play what's in front of you and the players not understanding it. That's basic stuff that kids learn. Maybe the players thought they were above that sort of thing. Jake White cleared a few Wallabies out when he started at the Brumbies as it was a similar issue there with talk about certain test players behaving like they were above what they were being coached. Rea gave a massive spray after a horrendous home loss against the Lions signalling out certain factions of the team that weren't putting in at training. White brought the team right back to the basics because they weren't doing it under Rea and Friend. Hence clearing it out of your own half rather than chancing their arm. The players had to go back to the basics before moving on to that. If you had watched the Brumbies in 2011 the players were caught dicking around in their own half throwing Campese to Martin style passes in their own 22 that led to opposition tries, giving up territory by throwing loose passes in to touch or coughing up errors through running it out.

All these issues towards coaches stem back to one word 'attitude.'
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Thomas wrote:It'll be f**k Jake White.

I like his player management but his style of rugby can eat a dick.
Union in Oz can't afford his coaching style to alienate even more fans.
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mr bungle wrote:
Thomas wrote:It'll be f**k Jake White.

I like his player management but his style of rugby can eat a dick.
Union in Oz can't afford his coaching style to alienate even more fans.
Jake White relies on a strong assistant team. It's debatable that the Wallabies have that at the moment and if the ARU has the cash to bring in the people that he wants. He is more of a manager style coach like Woodward and has people come in to do extra stuff when needed. At the Brumbies he had Fisher and Larkham doing a lot of the coaching. Brian Smith, Eddie Jones and Gregan came in part time.
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Which coaches are actually available?

White - he'll walk away from any job at any time, so always available
Wobs assistant coaches
Super coaches with get out clauses
Alan jones


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Bindi wrote:Which coaches are actually available?

White - he'll walk away from any job at any time, so always available
Wobs assistant coaches
Super coaches with get out clauses
Alan jones


f**k
Mark Anscombe, Pdivvy.
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This guy will sort out Australian Rugby.

He can pull a rat out of the hat for this Wallaby team in disarray.



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Of course there's always John Mitchell - he's free at the moment

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Bob Dwyer :nod:

Even with the mo.
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Unfortunately Chris Boyd is tied down with the Hurricanes franchise for the next 5 years, what is the much maligned ITM cup winning coach Rob Penney up to these days?
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Johnny Marrmight wrote:For the POMS amongst us: why on earth would the waratah players lead a coup? Whats so special about the tah's?
They won the S15 this year. They think they're God's gift to franchise rugby.

The only issue with my NSW coup fantasy is that McKenzie is a dyed in the wool New South Welshman.
nah he is the ex Qld Reds coach.
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Graham Henry until the end of the RWC.

You know it makes sense.

KG

PS - i actually feel sorry for the aussies, i think they were on the verge of a really good team.
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Farva wrote:Bob Dwyer :nod:

Even with the mo.

But that'd beg the question: could he front up and do any better after all his GAGR articles ripping the coaches and players to shreds? (Or maybe he'd continue to submit critical articles on his own performance! :) )
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Johnny Marrmight wrote:For the POMS amongst us: why on earth would the waratah players lead a coup? Whats so special about the tah's?
They won the S15 this year. They think they're God's gift to franchise rugby.

The only issue with my NSW coup fantasy is that McKenzie is a dyed in the wool New South Welshman.
I love how you state speculation as fact

In every
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The Wallabies don't need a coach.

Just keep it the way it is and let Hooper and the players coach themselves.

It's going to go that way anyway regardless of who they put in there so the ARU may as well save themselves some money.
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kearnstar wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
Johnny Marrmight wrote:For the POMS amongst us: why on earth would the waratah players lead a coup? Whats so special about the tah's?
They won the S15 this year. They think they're God's gift to franchise rugby.

The only issue with my NSW coup fantasy is that McKenzie is a dyed in the wool New South Welshman.
I love how you state speculation as fact

In every
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Strange post since I stated clearly that my Tahs led coup theory was a "fantasy", it's right there in the comment you quoted. I'm happy to explain to you the difference between fact and fantasy if you like.
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Ali's Choice wrote:The more this plays out the more it seems that this wasn't just a falling out between McKenzie and his players, but a Waratah led coup. The Tahs players wanted their S15 coach running the Wallabies and now they will have him. There has never been a more blatant example of player power in the sport of rugby.
Problem is there's not a shred of evidence to support that theory.
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Should be Cheika.

I wouldve thought Link is a NSW man.
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