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Altazuma wrote:
The Mighty All Blacks wrote:I don't quite get how it is Key's fault
It is the nature of NZ politics.

Everything is Key's fault.
My redneck colleagues in the US, on the other side of the political spectrum seem to suffer from this also. Everything from burnt toast to dogs shitting inside seems to be blamed on Obama.

Think the issue is more sizable chips on one's shoulders.
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The Mighty All Blacks wrote:Let me rephrase.

I can't see how they can prove it is keys fault

It's even easier to prove than merely blaming him.

The buck stops with the Minister in charge, and in this instance the Minister has quite a bit of oversight, ergo it is his fault whether he or you wishes to deflect that elsewhere doesn't matter.
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Pretty hard to oversee something that no one has told you is happening
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The Mighty All Blacks wrote:Pretty hard to oversee something that no one has told you is happening
Come on TMAB, if this had happened when Clark was PM you'd be leading the charge against her! :lol:
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PM has apologised to Dotcom...

Key to Dotcom: I'm sorry


He has apologised that Dotcom was illegally spied on by the NZ's international spy agency - rather than the domestic version, presumably.

However, he hasn't apologised to the family for the illegal military style raid on the family home etc. As already posted, he considers the problem there to be a 'very technical' issue. So it is a little bit strange.
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The Mighty All Blacks wrote:Pretty hard to oversee something that no one has told you is happening
Of course I would, but there is s difference. She was a horrible, bitchy dyke.

The key stuff cracks me up.

Working at the highest level of finance in the world didn't just teach him finance.

He is also probably the best ever politician this country has seen when it comes to covering his arse
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Key:Smug ,supercilious,superior,smirking,sperm breathed ex merchant banker and John Banks bum buddy.

A cock of the highest order and way below Helens intellect.

Gooooonnnne next election if there is a God.

Mind you with fuckwits like TMAB allowed to vote maybe not :((
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Piltdown Man wrote:Key:Smug ,supercilious,superior,smirking,sperm breathed ex merchant banker and John Banks bum buddy.

A cock of the highest order and way below Helens intellect.

Gooooonnnne next election if their is a God.
Top bloke. Guy you'd wanna have a beer with.

Has more integrity in his left hand than the dyke had in her entire body.
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I didn't vote national by the way
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Piltdown Man wrote:Key:Smug ,supercilious,superior,smirking,sperm breathed ex merchant banker and John Banks bum buddy.

A cock of the highest order and way below Helens intellect.

Gooooonnnne next election if there is a God.

Mind you with fuckwits like TMAB allowed to vote maybe not :((
That might depend on whether Labour can manage a credible candidate and economic policy.

I agree completely with your first sentence and will still probably vote for him unless something dramatic happens.
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slow wing wrote:PM has apologised to Dotcom...

Key to Dotcom: I'm sorry


He has apologised that Dotcom was illegally spied on by the NZ's international spy agency - rather than the domestic version, presumably.

However, he hasn't apologised to the family for the illegal military style raid on the family home etc. As already posted, he considers the problem there to be a 'very technical' issue. So it is a little bit strange.
Must be a Key euphemism for 'highly embarrassing so let's not go there'.
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Its going to be soo funny if /when key gets in again next election

Things like his stance vs maori water rights will probably ensure he does, issues like this will fade for the vast voting majority
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Altazuma wrote:
Piltdown Man wrote:Key:Smug ,supercilious,superior,smirking,sperm breathed ex merchant banker and John Banks bum buddy.

A cock of the highest order and way below Helens intellect.

Gooooonnnne next election if there is a God.

Mind you with fuckwits like TMAB allowed to vote maybe not :((
That might depend on whether Labour can manage a credible candidate and economic policy.

I agree completely with your first sentence and will still probably vote for him unless something dramatic happens.
Exactly, Key may well be all of the above but the alternatives makes one shudder..
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Key is on Close Up now
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Cheers, Jambanja: John Key on the Dotcom saga (6:27)


slow wing wrote:PM has apologised to Dotcom...

Key to Dotcom: I'm sorry


He has apologised that Dotcom was illegally spied on by the NZ's international spy agency - rather than the domestic version, presumably.

However, he hasn't apologised to the family for the illegal military style raid on the family home etc. As already posted, he considers the problem there to be a 'very technical' issue. So it is a little bit strange.
A bit disgusted with Key's answer on that - at around 4 minutes into the video. He is parroting the police line that they had do use all that force in order to minimize the risk. He even dreams up a scenario of a couple of police killed if they hadn't done the raid like that. That's a real stretch! :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
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He is parroting the police line that they had do use all that force in order to minimize the risk. He even dreams up a scenario of a couple of police killed if they hadn't done the raid like that. That's a real stretch! :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
What a f**king tosser, an absolute wanker Key is turning out to be. Key needs to lose the barber that's giving him the medieval hairstyles, but that's still not gonna elevate his image a whole lot. He stinks of shit over this case. It's a veritable wave of verbal diarrhea coming out of his gob every time he gives an answer related to it.

Good of Mark Sainsbury to throw the "pandering to the Americans" jab at him. Wish he would've pursued it a little further though. Of course Key deflected it with more horse shit. Regarding the suppression order that he claims Bill English signed without informing him of, it's a lie, a fabrication, Key is just crapping out his mouth and no amount of journalists questions will stop him from doing so.
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yode wrote:
He is parroting the police line that they had do use all that force in order to minimize the risk. He even dreams up a scenario of a couple of police killed if they hadn't done the raid like that. That's a real stretch! :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
What a f**king tosser, an absolute wanker Key is turning out to be. Key needs to lose the barber that's giving him the medieval hairstyles, but that's still not gonna elevate his image a whole lot. He stinks of shit over this case. It's a veritable wave of verbal diarrhea coming out of his gob every time he gives an answer related to it.

Good of Mark Sainsbury to throw the "pandering to the Americans" jab at him. Wish he would've pursued it a little further though. Of course Key deflected it with more horse shit. Regarding the suppression order that he claims Bill English signed without informing him of, it's a lie, a fabrication, Key is just crapping out his mouth and no amount of journalists questions will stop him from doing so.
Politician in being a plum shocker.

Integrity is something Key lost a long time ago.
The John Banks fiasco makes him look pathetic. How can he refuse to read a police report on one of his ministers. It's your f**king job to know.

As for the Kim Dot Com affair, of course the whole thing is a sop to the Americans, of course John Key knew about it in advance. None of it would have happened unless the pressure had come from the government to help the Americans in any way possible.

The whole shabby Sky city, let people buy legislation affair is also a huge wakeup call for people who think their P.M. is just a 'good bloke'.

Labour TBH though are barely an alternative at the moment, but be under no illusion, Key is a shyster of the first order.
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yode wrote:
He is parroting the police line that they had do use all that force in order to minimize the risk. He even dreams up a scenario of a couple of police killed if they hadn't done the raid like that. That's a real stretch! :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
What a f**king tosser, an absolute wanker Key is turning out to be. Key needs to lose the barber that's giving him the medieval hairstyles, but that's still not gonna elevate his image a whole lot. He stinks of shit over this case. It's a veritable wave of verbal diarrhea coming out of his gob every time he gives an answer related to it.

Good of Mark Sainsbury to throw the "pandering to the Americans" jab at him. Wish he would've pursued it a little further though. Of course Key deflected it with more horse shit. Regarding the suppression order that he claims Bill English signed without informing him of, it's a lie, a fabrication, Key is just crapping out his mouth and no amount of journalists questions will stop him from doing so.
Care to point out the proof for this?
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Key also appears to have fibbed about whether the NZ Government has a responsibility and an option to protect our residents under the extradition treaty being used...
PM John Key said at ~03:00, not wrote:We are subject to a treaty ... We do not get an option.
The actual situation, as I understand it, is instead that every extradition request must be sent to a Minister for review, and the Minister has complete discretion to turn it down if they choose. As posted previously on this thread, the following is Section 21 of the Extradition Act 1999[1]:
21 Notice to Minister
(1) If a District Court Judge issues a provisional warrant under section 20, the applicant for the warrant must report the issue of the warrant to the Minister.
(2) The applicant must include in the report to the Minister a copy of the warrant issued in the extradition country and the other documentary evidence produced to the court by the applicant.
(3) On receipt of the report under subsection (1), the Minister may, if the Minister thinks fit, order that the proceedings be discontinued.
(4) If the Minister orders that the extradition proceedings be discontinued, the Minister may cancel any warrant of arrest and order the discharge of any person arrested under the warrant.
(5) The Minister must notify the court of any action taken by the Minister under subsection (3) or subsection (4).
Reference:
[1]http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/publ ... 26218.html[/quote]




So was the PM fibbing, as it appears?
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Don't know.

Why would they turn it down?
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I don't quite get how it is Key's fault


His ultimate responsibility certainly ...

As for him being experienced at the hight of world finance / economic's !?!

His was rather a very limited speciality - and a extremely self serving one at that .

If integrity is running for cover and providing only the most glib and disinterested answers to honest questioning then - yep johnkey is your man alright.

Careful TMAB's your homophobia is peaking again.
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eugenius wrote:I don't quite get how it is Key's fault


His ultimate responsibility certainly ...

As for him being experienced at the hight of world finance / economic's !?!

His was rather a very limited speciality - and a extremely self serving one at that .

If integrity is running for cover and providing only the most glib and disinterested answers to honest questioning then - yep johnkey is your man alright.

Careful TMAB's your homophobia is peaking again.
Not if he doesn't know it is happening.

I have no problem with gayers, as long as they are honest.

You give Key shit about lack of credibility yet ignore horse heads with her sexuality
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Not if he doesn't know it is happening.
You don't quite get how this leadership ultimate responsibility thing works do you dear ?
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eugenius wrote:
Not if he doesn't know it is happening.
You don't quite get how this leadership ultimate responsibility thing works do you dear ?
So your advice would be to get rid of all department heads and get the PM to run every department?
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Jesus that's lame even for you ! :lol:
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merlin the happy pig wrote:Politician in being a plum shocker.

Integrity is something Key lost a long time ago.
The John Banks fiasco makes him look pathetic. How can he refuse to read a police report on one of his ministers. It's your f**king job to know.

As for the Kim Dot Com affair, of course the whole thing is a sop to the Americans, of course John Key knew about it in advance. None of it would have happened unless the pressure had come from the government to help the Americans in any way possible.

The whole shabby Sky city, let people buy legislation affair is also a huge wakeup call for people who think their P.M. is just a 'good bloke'.

Labour TBH though are barely an alternative at the moment, but be under no illusion, Key is a shyster of the first order.
And it won't be long before Dishonest John hops into bed with Winston.
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The John Banks fiasco makes him look pathetic. How can he refuse to read a police report on one of his ministers. It's your f**king job to know.


BINGO !!!
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SecretAgentMan wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:Politician in being a plum shocker.

Integrity is something Key lost a long time ago.
The John Banks fiasco makes him look pathetic. How can he refuse to read a police report on one of his ministers. It's your f**king job to know.

As for the Kim Dot Com affair, of course the whole thing is a sop to the Americans, of course John Key knew about it in advance. None of it would have happened unless the pressure had come from the government to help the Americans in any way possible.

The whole shabby Sky city, let people buy legislation affair is also a huge wakeup call for people who think their P.M. is just a 'good bloke'.

Labour TBH though are barely an alternative at the moment, but be under no illusion, Key is a shyster of the first order.
And it won't be long before Dishonest John hops into bed with Winston.
Like Labour wouldn't :lol:
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Much as Clark irritated sometimes I can never remember her playing nearly quite so fast and loose with the truth as Key has recently ....

The Banks saga was downright embarrassing - what an abject weasel our PM has shown himself to be under pressure - time and time again.
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The Mighty All Blacks wrote:
SecretAgentMan wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:Politician in being a plum shocker.

Integrity is something Key lost a long time ago.
The John Banks fiasco makes him look pathetic. How can he refuse to read a police report on one of his ministers. It's your f**king job to know.

As for the Kim Dot Com affair, of course the whole thing is a sop to the Americans, of course John Key knew about it in advance. None of it would have happened unless the pressure had come from the government to help the Americans in any way possible.

The whole shabby Sky city, let people buy legislation affair is also a huge wakeup call for people who think their P.M. is just a 'good bloke'.

Labour TBH though are barely an alternative at the moment, but be under no illusion, Key is a shyster of the first order.
And it won't be long before Dishonest John hops into bed with Winston.
Like Labour wouldn't :lol:
Has Labour said they wouldn't?

Are you suggesting Key lied through his teeth every time he stated National won't work with Peters out of 'principle'? And that's fine by you?
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Simply nod if you can't talk with John's cock in your mouth TMAB'S ....
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Ut mmmm I didn't mmm vut faa emmmmm ....
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eugenius wrote:Simply nod if you can't talk with John's cock in your mouth TMAB'S ....
I couldn't give a fudge whether John Key is PM or not other than the fact the alternative is frankly scarey and he hasn't actually done anything wrong.
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Ah but you see my little cocksucker ...

He has hasn't he - :nod:

Your sweet blind love simply won't allow you to doubt your man.
It's really quite lovely in this most cynical of ages.
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The Mighty All Blacks wrote:
eugenius wrote:Simply nod if you can't talk with John's cock in your mouth TMAB'S ....
I couldn't give a fudge whether John Key is PM or not other than the fact the alternative is frankly scarey and he hasn't actually done anything wrong.
Sorry to break up your love-in with Euge ;) but why is Shearer frankly scarey as an alternative?
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UncleFB wrote:
The Mighty All Blacks wrote:
eugenius wrote:Simply nod if you can't talk with John's cock in your mouth TMAB'S ....
I couldn't give a fudge whether John Key is PM or not other than the fact the alternative is frankly scarey and he hasn't actually done anything wrong.
Sorry to break up your love-in with Euge ;) but why is Shearer frankly scarey as an alternative?

Far be it for me, a "foreigner" to get involved in NZ politics, but from what I've seen so far of Shearer, he couldn't lead his way out of a wet paper bag...He appears very weak and does not fill me with confidence.

What is it about him that you think would make him a better alternative to Key
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jambanja wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
The Mighty All Blacks wrote:
eugenius wrote:Simply nod if you can't talk with John's cock in your mouth TMAB'S ....
I couldn't give a fudge whether John Key is PM or not other than the fact the alternative is frankly scarey and he hasn't actually done anything wrong.
Sorry to break up your love-in with Euge ;) but why is Shearer frankly scarey as an alternative?

Far be it for me, a "foreigner" to get involved in NZ politics, but from what I've seen so far of Shearer, he couldn't lead his way out of a wet paper bag...He appears very weak and does not fill me with confidence.

What is it about him that you think would make him a better alternative to Key
a) I never said the bold. I was responding to TMABs assertion about the scariness.
b) Personally, I quite like Shearer and think that he's pretty underrated in a quite thankless role 'at the moment'. I don't know if he can win an election but voter apathy did Goff in. Labour need to concentrate on getting people out to vote.
c) Key's background and personal financial success has never impressed me that much (it's on a par with Shearers background), I have no problem with it, but unlike a lot of the dullards out there I don't think it makes him an economic genius and I don't think he's a better leader of the nation because of it. I think that Key has had some good support from strong politicians in his party (English, Joyce, Brownlee etc) which is starting to fracture a wee bit. In saying that I think the Nats have another term in them because they win the PR battles and the default for them is 'the state of the world economy'.
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The Mighty All Blacks wrote:
eugenius wrote:Simply nod if you can't talk with John's cock in your mouth TMAB'S ....
I couldn't give a fudge whether John Key is PM or not other than the fact the alternative is frankly scarey and he hasn't actually done anything wrong.
Honestly?

Eug' will probably just accuse me of bias, but he just comes across as weak.

I would not want a weak PM.

Every interview I have heard with him it is like he is walking on egg shells everytime he declares a statement, like he is trying to appease every faction in his party and not step on peoples toes.

Even his own middle management seem to have set him adrift.

The next Labour government will probably have to be with a huge influence from the greens and Winston, and to have a dude who is weak unable to keep them on a leash worries me.

It is almost like he is a puppy on a leash between his own parties factions already.

Just my opinion obviously
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Key is as weak as piss ...
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All the PR is the world can't disguise that anymore put him under even the slightest media pressure and he turns quite puerile and petulant . Where are the examples of his 'strong' leadership in this mediocre do nothing government.
His only ideology is market worshipping faux economic's - IMO.

His strengths include an ability to pretend to be the Everyman - and mix well while out and about - after meeting Shearer I can assure you he 's just as amicable .
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