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Petros wrote:
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spanks wrote:Bit rich of Labour to say you can't fund the NHS with an IOU, PFI contracts anyone?
Aye it's a bit like Cameron saying there would be no top down reorganisation in the NHS before the last election.
Then carrying out the biggest top down reorganisation in the history of a parliament.
In other news politicians are lying, greedy, thieving, cnuts.
Fixed it for you
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c69 wrote:
spanks wrote:Bit rich of Labour to say you can't fund the NHS with an IOU, PFI contracts anyone?
Aye it's a bit like Cameron saying there would be no top down reorganisation in the NHS before the last election.
Then carrying out the biggest top down reorganisation in the history of a parliament.
In other news politicians are lying cnuts.
except that, where did all the feckin record tax takes go, if the hospitals and schools were built on pfi
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Just had a quick glance at the BBC news website. Depressing reading. Tories promise X. Labour offer Y. lib dems offer (X+Y)/2, etc

It is just a bidding war for our votes. Nothing about vision, nothing about what they want to achieve or what the UK will be like if they win, just a list of bribes. Why don't they just cut the bullshit and offer us cash. How can anyone vote for such a shower of shit.
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If they did talk about vision it would just be a list of meaningless platitudes and functionally identical bland statements about making Britain great anyway
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Chuckles1188 wrote:If they did talk about vision it would just be a list of meaningless platitudes and functionally identical bland statements about making Britain great anyway

It's why we need Boris.
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Chuckles1188 wrote:If they did talk about vision it would just be a list of meaningless platitudes and functionally identical bland statements about making Britain great anyway
Depressingly true.

I almost pine for Thatcher and Foot.
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A5D5E5 wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:If they did talk about vision it would just be a list of meaningless platitudes and functionally identical bland statements about making Britain great anyway
Depressingly true.

I almost pine for Thatcher and Foot.

We all pine for thatcher.
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bimboman wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:If they did talk about vision it would just be a list of meaningless platitudes and functionally identical bland statements about making Britain great anyway

It's why we need Boris.
Yeah he would be perfect for the Tories :thumbup:
Racist and untrustwothy :thumbup:
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c69 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:If they did talk about vision it would just be a list of meaningless platitudes and functionally identical bland statements about making Britain great anyway

It's why we need Boris.
Yeah he would be perfect for the Tories :thumbup:
Racist and untrustwothy :thumbup:

I don't expect you to appreciate a man of vision...... Stick with voting for cleggy.
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bimboman wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:If they did talk about vision it would just be a list of meaningless platitudes and functionally identical bland statements about making Britain great anyway
Depressingly true.

I almost pine for Thatcher and Foot.

We all pine for thatcher.
Probably not entirely true.
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A5D5E5 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:If they did talk about vision it would just be a list of meaningless platitudes and functionally identical bland statements about making Britain great anyway
Depressingly true.

I almost pine for Thatcher and Foot.

We all pine for thatcher.
Probably not entirely true.

Possibly.
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The Man Without Fear wrote:Is the Election over yet?
No but here could be a war in the South Pacific-
Headline in the Sunday Express today. 'Falklands at risk after gaff by MoD'.
A failure apparently to encrypt a secret document and now it's in the hands of the argies and anybody else who fancies those God forsaken islands.
The current Tory Secretary of State for defence, aptly named- Michael Falloon, may yet have to send that aircraft carrier with no planes down there. x(
The Tories have form on this- before the last falklands war, they were caught asleep on watch. Carrington had to resign and our boys had to go down to rescue Tory incompetence.
Hundreds did not return. :thumbdown:
Since when did the Falklands switch oceans?
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A5D5E5 wrote:Just had a quick glance at the BBC news website. Depressing reading. Tories promise X. Labour offer Y. lib dems offer (X+Y)/2, etc

It is just a bidding war for our votes. Nothing about vision, nothing about what they want to achieve or what the UK will be like if they win, just a list of bribes. Why don't they just cut the bullshit and offer us cash. How can anyone vote for such a shower of shit.
Election campaigns are aimed at the maybe 5% of voters who intend to vote and are genuinely undecided. Those people are not swayed by philosophical argument.
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hollywood wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:Just had a quick glance at the BBC news website. Depressing reading. Tories promise X. Labour offer Y. lib dems offer (X+Y)/2, etc

It is just a bidding war for our votes. Nothing about vision, nothing about what they want to achieve or what the UK will be like if they win, just a list of bribes. Why don't they just cut the bullshit and offer us cash. How can anyone vote for such a shower of shit.
Election campaigns are aimed at the maybe 5% of voters who intend to vote and are genuinely undecided. Those people are not swayed by philosophical argument.

Something like 60% will vote in this country. At the dissolution of parliament a poll suggested 45% of voters were undecided. I think there are more swing voters in this election than in any election in living memory.

I agree about the vision. With all this flip flopping I can't work out what Labour or the Tories stand for. This NHS funding by the Tories goes against their, relatively coherent, talk so far of fiscal responsibility. Whereas the other parties are quite clear what they stand for and who they are. This may be why the vote is fracturing.
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bimboman wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:If they did talk about vision it would just be a list of meaningless platitudes and functionally identical bland statements about making Britain great anyway

It's why we need Boris.
As I've said before I can't help but have a sneaky liking for BoJo. Not enough to vote for him mind, but he is a lot less greasily corporate than Cameron or Osborne
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pigsy wrote:
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A5D5E5 wrote:Just had a quick glance at the BBC news website. Depressing reading. Tories promise X. Labour offer Y. lib dems offer (X+Y)/2, etc

It is just a bidding war for our votes. Nothing about vision, nothing about what they want to achieve or what the UK will be like if they win, just a list of bribes. Why don't they just cut the bullshit and offer us cash. How can anyone vote for such a shower of shit.
Election campaigns are aimed at the maybe 5% of voters who intend to vote and are genuinely undecided. Those people are not swayed by philosophical argument.

Something like 60% will vote in this country. At the dissolution of parliament a poll suggested 45% of voters were undecided. I think there are more swing voters in this election than in any election in living memory.

I agree about the vision. With all this flip flopping I can't work out what Labour or the Tories stand for. This NHS funding by the Tories goes against their, relatively coherent, talk so far of fiscal responsibility. Whereas the other parties are quite clear what they stand for and who they are. This may be why the vote is fracturing.
This is not unusual. Of the 45% who tell pollsters they are undecided, the question is how many fit into each category:
___% know but are refusing to tell the pollster
___% will not vote
___% are genuinely undecided but will vote

The first category generally skews toward new parties or parties not popular with local media. So Labour voters in a Conservative area might not want to say, or vice versa. Or UKIP voters may not wish to be identified to certain pollsters.

The second category would be mostly showing up in the undecided category.
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c69 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:If they did talk about vision it would just be a list of meaningless platitudes and functionally identical bland statements about making Britain great anyway

It's why we need Boris.
Yeah he would be perfect for the Tories :thumbup:
Racist and untrustwothy :thumbup:
He might be a racist but he builds a nice shed on a balcony
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Poll of polls:

Labour and Tories both on 34%
Ukip on 14%
Fib Dems on 9%
Greens on 5%

Hung parliament farce ahoy, with some bunch of nutters holding the balance of power. How reassuring.
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henry wrote:Poll of polls:

Labour and Tories both on 34%
Ukip on 14%
Fib Dems on 9%
Greens on 5%

Hung parliament farce ahoy, with some bunch of nutters holding the balance of power. How reassuring.
FPTP means that even if the election were held tomorrow that probably wouldn't be an accurate reflection of how things end up in terms of seats won. We could be in for a minority government since the various coalition options all seem pretty unlikely.
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labour and cons on level pegging means labour with the most seats....so i reckon theyll get first dibs with the snats propping them up

if the polls are accurate that is....i suspect the tories are ahead in reality

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http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85528


Everybody's saying it – this election is totally unreal. Nothing of substance is being discussed and the politicians seem to be in a race to the bottom.

...

We may have heard the odd mention in this election of "tax avoidance". But how often do we hear any politicians honestly explain the reason why Google, Starbucks and so many other multinationals, including our foreign-owned water and electricity companies, can "offshore" their liability to pay tax on their British earnings? It is simply because this is entirely legal under EU treaty rules, and those laid down by even more mysterious global bodies such as the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
henry wrote:Poll of polls:

Labour and Tories both on 34%
Ukip on 14%
Fib Dems on 9%
Greens on 5%

Hung parliament farce ahoy, with some bunch of nutters holding the balance of power. How reassuring.
FPTP means that even if the election were held tomorrow that probably wouldn't be an accurate reflection of how things end up in terms of seats won. We could be in for a minority government since the various coalition options all seem pretty unlikely.
Yes, yes.

http://may2015.com/category/seat-calculator/
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Green party to apparently increase the minimum wage to 10 pounds, reduce the size of big companies, tax wealty people 60%,etc. Do they actually understand anything about economics?
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henry wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
henry wrote:Poll of polls:

Labour and Tories both on 34%
Ukip on 14%
Fib Dems on 9%
Greens on 5%

Hung parliament farce ahoy, with some bunch of nutters holding the balance of power. How reassuring.
FPTP means that even if the election were held tomorrow that probably wouldn't be an accurate reflection of how things end up in terms of seats won. We could be in for a minority government since the various coalition options all seem pretty unlikely.
Yes, yes.

http://may2015.com/category/seat-calculator/

Cool link, thanks for posting :thumbup:
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TranceNRG wrote:Green party to apparently increase the minimum wage to 10 pounds, reduce the size of big companies, tax wealty people 60%,etc. Do they actually understand anything about economics?
I expect there are some people in the party who do but their leader is a moonbat.
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:Green party to apparently increase the minimum wage to 10 pounds, reduce the size of big companies, tax wealty people 60%,etc. Do they actually understand anything about economics?
I expect there are some people in the party who do but their leader is a moonbat.
I'm starting to doubt that. They have a Robin hood mentality. Their policies will be an economic disaster.
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:Green party to apparently increase the minimum wage to 10 pounds, reduce the size of big companies, tax wealty people 60%,etc. Do they actually understand anything about economics?
I expect there are some people in the party who do but their leader is a moonbat.

Shes about to their most presentable "least loony" senior member.
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TranceNRG wrote:Green party to apparently increase the minimum wage to 10 pounds don't disagree, reduce the size of big companies ?????, tax wealty people 60%,etc madness. Do they actually understand anything about economics? do the other parties
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:Green party to apparently increase the minimum wage to 10 pounds, reduce the size of big companies, tax wealty people 60%,etc. Do they actually understand anything about economics?
I expect there are some people in the party who do but their leader is a moonbat.
You miss the point. They can say what they like because not only will they not form the next government, they will struggle to hold on to their only MP. However, their utterings become newsworthy far beyond the reach of their influence. Their hope must be that these headline policies remain in the minds of the electorate after the election and people start to think that they ought to vote Green for a truly socialist party. The Monster Raving Loony party is more electable and has many plausible policies.
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Fenman what headline socialist policies do the Greens have?
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c69 wrote:Fenman what headline socialist policies do the Greens have?

The citizens income.

60% plus higher rate of income tax.

Mansion tax. Directly aimed at redistribution.

A wealth tax ......
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bimboman wrote:
c69 wrote:Fenman what headline socialist policies do the Greens have?

The citizens income.

60% plus higher rate of income tax.

Mansion tax. Directly aimed at redistribution.

A wealth tax ......
Leftist and classically social democratic and liberal.
Can't see it being wholly Socialist in nature tbh
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c69 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
c69 wrote:Fenman what headline socialist policies do the Greens have?

The citizens income.

60% plus higher rate of income tax.

Mansion tax. Directly aimed at redistribution.

A wealth tax ......
Leftist and classically social democratic and liberal.
Can't see it being wholly Socialist in nature tbh
Socialist is probably the best description. More left wing than Nu-Labour.
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Fenman wrote:
c69 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
c69 wrote:Fenman what headline socialist policies do the Greens have?

The citizens income.

60% plus higher rate of income tax.

Mansion tax. Directly aimed at redistribution.

A wealth tax ......
Leftist and classically social democratic and liberal.
Can't see it being wholly Socialist in nature tbh
Socialist is probably the best description. More left wing than Nu-Labour.
Only if you don't understand the definition of socialist.
Nu Labour has nothing to do with socialism.
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c69 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
c69 wrote:Fenman what headline socialist policies do the Greens have?

The citizens income.

60% plus higher rate of income tax.

Mansion tax. Directly aimed at redistribution.

A wealth tax ......
Leftist and classically social democratic and liberal.
Can't see it being wholly Socialist in nature tbh

Sorry you think wealth redistribution by the state , confiscations of assets is a liberal policy ?
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If labour want to get those middle ground voters again they need to move more to the right. Until then it's going to be a hung parliament.

I can see Ed Miliband being replaced by a returning David Miliband who will get labour back to new labour.
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bimboman wrote:
c69 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
c69 wrote:Fenman what headline socialist policies do the Greens have?

The citizens income.

60% plus higher rate of income tax.

Mansion tax. Directly aimed at redistribution.

A wealth tax ......
Leftist and classically social democratic and liberal.
Can't see it being wholly Socialist in nature tbh

Sorry you think wealth redistribution by the state , confiscations of assets is a liberal policy ?
If you can't comprehend my post don't funking bother trying to misinterpret my fuckin post you fruitcake. Many aspects of liberalism looked at equality and wealth distribution.
Why not get out with your blue rosette and deliver some leaflets.
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Sorry you described the policies I'd listed as "classically social democrats and liberal". When challenged you didn't explain why but winked on with a personal attack. Please cite some evidence that wealth distribution is a liberal policy.....
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bimboman wrote:Sorry you described the policies I'd listed as "classically social democrats and liberal". When challenged you didn't explain why but winked on with a personal attack. Please cite some evidence that wealth distribution is a liberal policy.....
You missed out the first word LEFTIST from your quote. That is an important point and the sentence should b looked at as a whole when discussing the position of the Green Party. I'm out of discussing issue with you at the blue mist has overtaken you.
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c69 wrote:
bimboman wrote:Sorry you described the policies I'd listed as "classically social democrats and liberal". When challenged you didn't explain why but winked on with a personal attack. Please cite some evidence that wealth distribution is a liberal policy.....
You missed out the first word LEFTIST from your quote. That is an important point and the sentence should b looked at as a whole when discussing the position of the Green Party. I'm out of discussing issue with you at the blue mist has overtaken you.

"Leftist AND classically social demarcate and liberal"

:lol:, i can see how politics confuses you so much now. I assume your secind personal attack means you've not been able to cite a source of those liberal wealth distributors from history ?
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