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backrow wrote:

Raggs wrote:

backrow wrote:just on the anti vax stuff, (I don't know the details as my wife deals wit this) but there is one vaccine that my kids have been medically exempt from due to egg allergy, as its made from eggs. We let them have other vacines, but there is one they just shouldn't have, and the school always chases us about it each year as a certain box isn't ticked.

does that put me in the anti vax brigade then or not ?

I'm afraid not, as that's just following medical advice.

bah, I was hoping for another opportunity where I can appear edgy and fight the lone fight on here, turns out we are doing the right thing. it might be that MMR one actually, all my brain recalls is blah blah blah needs this vaccine blah blah blah cant have it because of egg blah blah blah (and then my brain started thinking about delicious poached eggs)

Saffa beaches?

backrow wrote:just on the anti vax stuff, (I don't know the details as my wife deals wit this) but there is one vaccine that my kids have been medically exempt from due to egg allergy, as its made from eggs. We let them have other vacines, but there is one they just shouldn't have, and the school always chases us about it each year as a certain box isn't ticked.

does that put me in the anti vax brigade then or not ?

I thought they had a workaround for that, you just can't have the MMR but can get vaccines for each individually?

CM11 wrote:

backrow wrote:just on the anti vax stuff, (I don't know the details as my wife deals wit this) but there is one vaccine that my kids have been medically exempt from due to egg allergy, as its made from eggs. We let them have other vacines, but there is one they just shouldn't have, and the school always chases us about it each year as a certain box isn't ticked.

does that put me in the anti vax brigade then or not ?

I thought they had a workaround for that, you just can't have the MMR but can get vaccines for each individually?

blah blah blah eggs blah blah no vaccine for your kids blah blah blah

dunno lol is the honest answer.

backrow wrote:

CM11 wrote:

backrow wrote:just on the anti vax stuff, (I don't know the details as my wife deals wit this) but there is one vaccine that my kids have been medically exempt from due to egg allergy, as its made from eggs. We let them have other vacines, but there is one they just shouldn't have, and the school always chases us about it each year as a certain box isn't ticked.

does that put me in the anti vax brigade then or not ?

I thought they had a workaround for that, you just can't have the MMR but can get vaccines for each individually?

blah blah blah eggs blah blah no vaccine for your kids blah blah blah

dunno lol is the honest answer.

Actually just looked it up, NHS says MMR is fine for egg allergy children. There's no mention of any you can't get, weird.

CM11 wrote:

backrow wrote:

CM11 wrote:

backrow wrote:just on the anti vax stuff, (I don't know the details as my wife deals wit this) but there is one vaccine that my kids have been medically exempt from due to egg allergy, as its made from eggs. We let them have other vacines, but there is one they just shouldn't have, and the school always chases us about it each year as a certain box isn't ticked.

does that put me in the anti vax brigade then or not ?

I thought they had a workaround for that, you just can't have the MMR but can get vaccines for each individually?

blah blah blah eggs blah blah no vaccine for your kids blah blah blah

dunno lol is the honest answer.

Actually just looked it up, NHS says MMR is fine for egg allergy children. There's no mention of any you can't get, weird.

my kids had to go to various specialists plus we had 2nd opinions privately on Harley street - am content to take their advice. this was the guy, very nice chap. maybe it wasn't MMR then, was deffo eggs though

http://www.londonallergy.com/professor-gideon-lack/

allergies and immunisations are quite interesting and complex, on my side there was hay fever and egg white allergy, and on my wife's side there was dairy intolerance, quinine intolerance, and shellfish.

backrow wrote:

CM11 wrote:

backrow wrote:

CM11 wrote:

backrow wrote:just on the anti vax stuff, (I don't know the details as my wife deals wit this) but there is one vaccine that my kids have been medically exempt from due to egg allergy, as its made from eggs. We let them have other vacines, but there is one they just shouldn't have, and the school always chases us about it each year as a certain box isn't ticked.

does that put me in the anti vax brigade then or not ?

I thought they had a workaround for that, you just can't have the MMR but can get vaccines for each individually?

blah blah blah eggs blah blah no vaccine for your kids blah blah blah

dunno lol is the honest answer.

Actually just looked it up, NHS says MMR is fine for egg allergy children. There's no mention of any you can't get, weird.

my kids had to go to various specialists plus we had 2nd opinions privately on Harley street - am content to take their advice. this was the guy, very nice chap. maybe it wasn't MMR then, was deffo eggs though

http://www.londonallergy.com/professor-gideon-lack/

allergies and immunisations are quite interesting and complex, on my side there was hay fever and egg white allergy, and on my wife's side there was dairy intolerance, quinine intolerance, and shellfish.

Glaston wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Lobby wrote:Don't worry, the anti-vaxxer loons have got their answer for Covid19 aleady

That's beautiful.

Crikey, I dont think I have enough tinfoil.

That is awesomely insane. I'm actually quite impressed by the bonkers author's ability to fuse so many f ucking nuts theories into about 200 words.

backrow wrote:

CM11 wrote:

backrow wrote:

CM11 wrote:

backrow wrote:just on the anti vax stuff, (I don't know the details as my wife deals wit this) but there is one vaccine that my kids have been medically exempt from due to egg allergy, as its made from eggs. We let them have other vacines, but there is one they just shouldn't have, and the school always chases us about it each year as a certain box isn't ticked.

does that put me in the anti vax brigade then or not ?

I thought they had a workaround for that, you just can't have the MMR but can get vaccines for each individually?

blah blah blah eggs blah blah no vaccine for your kids blah blah blah

dunno lol is the honest answer.

Actually just looked it up, NHS says MMR is fine for egg allergy children. There's no mention of any you can't get, weird.

my kids had to go to various specialists plus we had 2nd opinions privately on Harley street - am content to take their advice. this was the guy, very nice chap. maybe it wasn't MMR then, was deffo eggs though

http://www.londonallergy.com/professor-gideon-lack/

allergies and immunisations are quite interesting and complex, on my side there was hay fever and egg white allergy, and on my wife's side there was dairy intolerance, quinine intolerance, and shellfish.

What level of quinine intolerance? could be an issue for any travel innoculations with malaria etc. Also an issue for G&Ts obviously.

backrow wrote:

CM11 wrote:

backrow wrote:

CM11 wrote:

backrow wrote:just on the anti vax stuff, (I don't know the details as my wife deals wit this) but there is one vaccine that my kids have been medically exempt from due to egg allergy, as its made from eggs. We let them have other vacines, but there is one they just shouldn't have, and the school always chases us about it each year as a certain box isn't ticked.

does that put me in the anti vax brigade then or not ?

I thought they had a workaround for that, you just can't have the MMR but can get vaccines for each individually?

blah blah blah eggs blah blah no vaccine for your kids blah blah blah

dunno lol is the honest answer.

Actually just looked it up, NHS says MMR is fine for egg allergy children. There's no mention of any you can't get, weird.

my kids had to go to various specialists plus we had 2nd opinions privately on Harley street - am content to take their advice. this was the guy, very nice chap. maybe it wasn't MMR then, was deffo eggs though

http://www.londonallergy.com/professor-gideon-lack/

allergies and immunisations are quite interesting and complex, on my side there was hay fever and egg white allergy, and on my wife's side there was dairy intolerance, quinine intolerance, and shellfish.

Seasonal flu is usually the problem one for Egg allergies - MOST people are OK, but there is a very sall subset of the population who would have an issue

Saw this in a link SON posted in another thread. Some interesting ideas here

Calculus wrote:Saw this in a link SON posted in another thread. Some interesting ideas here

Spoiler: show

Some massive BS there. Usual conspiracy techniques, state some false things as if they are fact knowing your audience don't know shit either way. State a truth, like stomach acid kills microorganisms, while ignoring the actual mechanism, that virus here are inhaled into the lungs and enter the body that way, not via the stomach.

Calculus wrote:Saw this in a link SON posted in another thread. Some interesting ideas here

Spoiler: show

Would it be excessive to hope that whoever wrote that catches the virus and dies from it? I mean, I'm not normally at all punitive, but they are seriously trying to kill people with this shit. They might succeed.

Had quite an intense conversation with an old mate and his doctor friend. He's basically not a full on anti-Vaccer but is utterly paranoid about government conspiracies and the like. He posted the 5G coronavirus link question on facebook quite early on.

He's not unintelligent, he's a Personal Trainer with a degree, highly ranked, knows his Science on the body and nutrition, hormones, medicine etc but yet periodically harps on about "don't trust what the government puts into you". I've explained time and again and pulled apart each and every one of his arguments and facts, but it usually just makes him withdraw and say "we'll see" or some such.

His mate, who is a doctor, has the same beliefs, he spoke about vaccinating his child he was grumbling about letting his partner do it, I said he should as well an he just exploded at me "I'm not letting them put f**king chemicals in me". I pointed out he's put plenty of drugs in himself over the years when it suits from dodgier sources when he doesn't know what the fudge he's sniffing or swallowing. And then I pointed out he's endangering his own daughter by not being part of the vaccinated population. But no reason or dissection of his rational could change his mind, despite the double standard of the fact literally millions of vaccinated people are not under government control, but drug dealers have certainly sold dangerous wit kant stuff for money. And he's a bloody Doctor, but he just moaned he doesn't control the pharmaceutical companies or government and doesn't know what China or the USA are covering up or what can be activated later in their war for control.

Seriously, how do intelligent people get like this? You can spend years literally disproving the facts of every one of their arguments and yet later on they will again sprout another government conspiracy theory. It reminds me of a few studies where it points out education doesn't influence what people believe, it only makes them more sure of it. Or that people are born or develop to be innately or instinctively pro or against authority regardless of the evidence.

It will very ironic for the anti vaxxers if the BCG link is proven.

CM11 wrote:It will very ironic for the anti vaxxers if the BCG link is proven.

What is the BCG link? I've not caught up on it yet. Cheers.

eldanielfire wrote:Had quite an intense conversation with an old mate and his doctor friend. He's basically not a full on anti-Vaccer but is utterly paranoid about government conspiracies and the like. He posted the 5G coronavirus link question on facebook quite early on.

He's not unintelligent, he's a Personal Trainer with a degree, highly ranked, knows his Science on the body and nutrition, hormones, medicine etc but yet periodically harps on about "don't trust what the government puts into you". I've explained time and again and pulled apart each and every one of his arguments and facts, but it usually just makes him withdraw and say "we'll see" or some such.

His mate, who is a doctor, has the same beliefs, he spoke about vaccinating his child he was grumbling about letting his partner do it, I said he should as well an he just exploded at me "I'm not letting them put f**king chemicals in me". I pointed out he's put plenty of drugs in himself over the years when it suits from dodgier sources when he doesn't know what the fudge he's sniffing or swallowing. And then I pointed out he's endangering his own daughter by not being part of the vaccinated population. But no reason or dissection of his rational could change his mind, despite the double standard of the fact literally millions of vaccinated people are not under government control, but drug dealers have certainly sold dangerous plum stuff for money. And he's a bloody Doctor, but he just moaned he doesn't control the pharmaceutical companies or government and doesn't know what China or the USA are covering up or what can be activated later in their war for control.

Seriously, how do intelligent people get like this? You can spend years literally disproving the facts of every one of their arguments and yet later on they will again sprout another government conspiracy theory. It reminds me of a few studies where it points out education doesn't influence what people believe, it only makes them more sure of it. Or that people are born or develop to be innately or instinctively pro or against authority regardless of the evidence.

What is he, a f*cking witchdoctor?

CM11 wrote:It will very ironic for the anti vaxxers if the BCG link is proven.

I'll piss myself.

eldanielfire wrote:

CM11 wrote:It will very ironic for the anti vaxxers if the BCG link is proven.

What is the BCG link? I've not caught up on it yet. Cheers.

See other thread. Apparently high rates of BCG vaccination correlates to low rates of infections. It's currently very early to draw any conclusions but they are serious enough about it that they're trialling it with healthcare workers.

eldanielfire wrote:Had quite an intense conversation with an old mate and his doctor friend. He's basically not a full on anti-Vaccer but is utterly paranoid about government conspiracies and the like. He posted the 5G coronavirus link question on facebook quite early on.

He's not unintelligent, he's a Personal Trainer with a degree, highly ranked, knows his Science on the body and nutrition, hormones, medicine etc but yet periodically harps on about "don't trust what the government puts into you". I've explained time and again and pulled apart each and every one of his arguments and facts, but it usually just makes him withdraw and say "we'll see" or some such.

His mate, who is a doctor, has the same beliefs, he spoke about vaccinating his child he was grumbling about letting his partner do it, I said he should as well an he just exploded at me "I'm not letting them put f**king chemicals in me". I pointed out he's put plenty of drugs in himself over the years when it suits from dodgier sources when he doesn't know what the fudge he's sniffing or swallowing. And then I pointed out he's endangering his own daughter by not being part of the vaccinated population. But no reason or dissection of his rational could change his mind, despite the double standard of the fact literally millions of vaccinated people are not under government control, but drug dealers have certainly sold dangerous plum stuff for money. And he's a bloody Doctor, but he just moaned he doesn't control the pharmaceutical companies or government and doesn't know what China or the USA are covering up or what can be activated later in their war for control.

Seriously, how do intelligent people get like this? You can spend years literally disproving the facts of every one of their arguments and yet later on they will again sprout another government conspiracy theory. It reminds me of a few studies where it points out education doesn't influence what people believe, it only makes them more sure of it. Or that people are born or develop to be innately or instinctively pro or against authority regardless of the evidence.

I have to deal with a similar issue. Somebody I know is a full on antivax/homeopath/all sorts of other made up therapies believer.

Reason and logic don't apply. This person has decided how they would like the world to be and then proceed as though that's how it is. Any evidence to the contrary is dismissed as a conspiracy.

Gavin Duffy wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:Had quite an intense conversation with an old mate and his doctor friend. He's basically not a full on anti-Vaccer but is utterly paranoid about government conspiracies and the like. He posted the 5G coronavirus link question on facebook quite early on.

He's not unintelligent, he's a Personal Trainer with a degree, highly ranked, knows his Science on the body and nutrition, hormones, medicine etc but yet periodically harps on about "don't trust what the government puts into you". I've explained time and again and pulled apart each and every one of his arguments and facts, but it usually just makes him withdraw and say "we'll see" or some such.

His mate, who is a doctor, has the same beliefs, he spoke about vaccinating his child he was grumbling about letting his partner do it, I said he should as well an he just exploded at me "I'm not letting them put f**king chemicals in me". I pointed out he's put plenty of drugs in himself over the years when it suits from dodgier sources when he doesn't know what the fudge he's sniffing or swallowing. And then I pointed out he's endangering his own daughter by not being part of the vaccinated population. But no reason or dissection of his rational could change his mind, despite the double standard of the fact literally millions of vaccinated people are not under government control, but drug dealers have certainly sold dangerous plum stuff for money. And he's a bloody Doctor, but he just moaned he doesn't control the pharmaceutical companies or government and doesn't know what China or the USA are covering up or what can be activated later in their war for control.

Seriously, how do intelligent people get like this? You can spend years literally disproving the facts of every one of their arguments and yet later on they will again sprout another government conspiracy theory. It reminds me of a few studies where it points out education doesn't influence what people believe, it only makes them more sure of it. Or that people are born or develop to be innately or instinctively pro or against authority regardless of the evidence.

What is he, a f*cking witchdoctor?

Nah an actual NHS Doctor in a hospital. Which is why I point out these conspiracies appear in all walks of life.

CM11 wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

CM11 wrote:It will very ironic for the anti vaxxers if the BCG link is proven.

What is the BCG link? I've not caught up on it yet. Cheers.

See other thread. Apparently high rates of BCG vaccination correlates to low rates of infections. It's currently very early to draw any conclusions but they are serious enough about it that they're trialling it with healthcare workers.

Interesting

Glad I got my BCG at school.

dinsdale wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:Had quite an intense conversation with an old mate and his doctor friend. He's basically not a full on anti-Vaccer but is utterly paranoid about government conspiracies and the like. He posted the 5G coronavirus link question on facebook quite early on.

He's not unintelligent, he's a Personal Trainer with a degree, highly ranked, knows his Science on the body and nutrition, hormones, medicine etc but yet periodically harps on about "don't trust what the government puts into you". I've explained time and again and pulled apart each and every one of his arguments and facts, but it usually just makes him withdraw and say "we'll see" or some such.

His mate, who is a doctor, has the same beliefs, he spoke about vaccinating his child he was grumbling about letting his partner do it, I said he should as well an he just exploded at me "I'm not letting them put f**king chemicals in me". I pointed out he's put plenty of drugs in himself over the years when it suits from dodgier sources when he doesn't know what the fudge he's sniffing or swallowing. And then I pointed out he's endangering his own daughter by not being part of the vaccinated population. But no reason or dissection of his rational could change his mind, despite the double standard of the fact literally millions of vaccinated people are not under government control, but drug dealers have certainly sold dangerous plum stuff for money. And he's a bloody Doctor, but he just moaned he doesn't control the pharmaceutical companies or government and doesn't know what China or the USA are covering up or what can be activated later in their war for control.

Seriously, how do intelligent people get like this? You can spend years literally disproving the facts of every one of their arguments and yet later on they will again sprout another government conspiracy theory. It reminds me of a few studies where it points out education doesn't influence what people believe, it only makes them more sure of it. Or that people are born or develop to be innately or instinctively pro or against authority regardless of the evidence.

I have to deal with a similar issue. Somebody I know is a full on antivax/homeopath/all sorts of other made up therapies believer.

Reason and logic don't apply. This person has decided how they would like the world to be and then proceed as though that's how it is. Any evidence to the contrary is dismissed as a conspiracy.

And if the conspiracy is refuted, they just push it to one side and refuse to engage with the evidence against it. Because the good thing with conspiracies is you never know what the Governments have covered up. Because it's covered up. And if you believe it isn't covered up, it just shows how well they cover it up.

Conspiracy theories are for the feeble-minded.

Hellraiser wrote:Conspiracy theories are for the feeble-minded.

And quite concerning how many are feeble minded in the population. Andrew Wakefield should have been jailed. He set back medical progress several years and lowered vaccination rates with his lies.

PUMITA wrote:

Hellraiser wrote:Conspiracy theories are for the feeble-minded.

And quite concerning how many are feeble minded in the population. Andrew Wakefield should have been jailed. He set back medical progress several years and lowered vaccination rates with his lies.

And yet Richard Horton, who published Wakefield’s paper and refused to retract it for twelve years because he had worked with Wakefield, is being touted as some sort of prophet on Coronavirus.

CM11 wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

CM11 wrote:It will very ironic for the anti vaxxers if the BCG link is proven.

What is the BCG link? I've not caught up on it yet. Cheers.

See other thread. Apparently high rates of BCG vaccination correlates to low rates of infections. It's currently very early to draw any conclusions but they are serious enough about it that they're trialling it with healthcare workers.

See, this doesn’t make sense. Most of the people who haven’t had a bag are younger, under 25. Which is the generation least affected by the virus.

Hellraiser wrote:Conspiracy theories are for the feeble-minded.

And generally, if you push the conspiracy theorists, it boils down to one of it’s the Jews / it’s the aliens / it’s the lizard people.

Biffer29 wrote:

Hellraiser wrote:Conspiracy theories are for the feeble-minded.

And generally, if you push the conspiracy theorists, it boils down to one of it’s the Jews / it’s the aliens / it’s the lizard people.

Or the EU.

Hellraiser wrote:Conspiracy theories are for the feeble-minded.

Well, yes.

Somebody needs to tell Seneca, though.

Rinkals wrote:

Hellraiser wrote:Conspiracy theories are for the feeble-minded.

Well, yes.

Somebody needs to tell Seneca, though.

Seneca doesn't believe 90% of the bullshit he spouts.

CM11 wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

CM11 wrote:It will very ironic for the anti vaxxers if the BCG link is proven.

What is the BCG link? I've not caught up on it yet. Cheers.

See other thread. Apparently high rates of BCG vaccination correlates to low rates of infections. It's currently very early to draw any conclusions but they are serious enough about it that they're trialling it with healthcare workers.

Everyone gets it in South Africa basically since 1973.

Interesting fact on the wiki:

Between 2011 and 2014 the wholesale price was US$0.16 to US$1.11 a dose in the developing world.[6][7] In the United States it costs US$100 to US$200

Biffer29 wrote:

CM11 wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

CM11 wrote:It will very ironic for the anti vaxxers if the BCG link is proven.

What is the BCG link? I've not caught up on it yet. Cheers.

See other thread. Apparently high rates of BCG vaccination correlates to low rates of infections. It's currently very early to draw any conclusions but they are serious enough about it that they're trialling it with healthcare workers.

See, this doesn’t make sense. Most of the people who haven’t had a bag are younger, under 25. Which is the generation least affected by the virus.

Most of the people where? It's still being given in plenty of countries. As pointed out above, it's still being given in some of the countries least affected.

And it is starting to affect more younger people in Europe and the US than it did in Asia, where it is still being given (although not sure about China).

Biffer29 wrote:

CM11 wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

CM11 wrote:It will very ironic for the anti vaxxers if the BCG link is proven.

What is the BCG link? I've not caught up on it yet. Cheers.

See other thread. Apparently high rates of BCG vaccination correlates to low rates of infections. It's currently very early to draw any conclusions but they are serious enough about it that they're trialling it with healthcare workers.

See, this doesn’t make sense. Most of the people who haven’t had a bag are younger, under 25. Which is the generation least affected by the virus.

But also have the strongest immune systems. The BCG theory could be one component of the figures. Some one pointed out a lot of the medical staff dying in the UK are frequently Asian. That could be simple demographics, the most diverse areas of the UK have it worse or it could relate to the BCG thing if they were born abroad. Or it could be those medicla staff released their pictures mroe readily than their other counterparts. All speculation, especially with so many variables.

Everyone that is pro vaccine is automatically a Bill Gates sheeple.(wether they want to or not)

He wants us to die, he wants you to believe you need it, it's agenda 2021, 2030 etc etc.

Please do yourselves a favour, research the Bill Gates foundation. He had said on record multiple times talking about vaccine as a cure for depopulation. He is pure evil incarnate.

Biffer29 wrote:

CM11 wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

CM11 wrote:It will very ironic for the anti vaxxers if the BCG link is proven.

What is the BCG link? I've not caught up on it yet. Cheers.

See other thread. Apparently high rates of BCG vaccination correlates to low rates of infections. It's currently very early to draw any conclusions but they are serious enough about it that they're trialling it with healthcare workers.

See, this doesn’t make sense. Most of the people who haven’t had a bag are younger, under 25. Which is the generation least affected by the virus.

That's a simplistic perspective. I doubt anyone is saying the BCG is the only factor which can limit infectiousness/severity of symptoms.

Couch wrote:Everyone that is pro vaccine is automatically a Bill Gates sheeple.(wether they want to or not)

He wants us to die, he wants you to believe you need it, it's agenda 2021, 2030 etc etc.

Please do yourselves a favour, research the Bill Gates foundation. He had said on record multiple times talking about vaccine as a cure for depopulation. He is pure evil incarnate.

Seriously unhinged

Couch wrote:Everyone that is pro vaccine is automatically a Bill Gates sheeple.(wether they want to or not)

He wants us to die, he wants you to believe you need it, it's agenda 2021, 2030 etc etc.

Please do yourselves a favour, research the Bill Gates foundation. He had said on record multiple times talking about vaccine as a cure for depopulation. He is pure evil incarnate.

A cure for depopulation? So a cure for people dying, essentially?

The monster!!!

Hellraiser wrote:Conspiracy theories are for the feeble-minded.

As opposed to the narrow minded

Hellraiser wrote:Conspiracy theories are for the feeble-minded.

As opposed to the narrow minded

No, them too. You have to be particularly narrow minded to have both the tunnel vision to believe a conspiracy theory and the self awareness to think it's actually you that's broad minded and the other 99% of the world isn't.