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crash 669 wrote:Jesus, 172 to 40, that's a thrashing to make Osbourne weak at the knees.

If Corbyn has an ounce of self awareness or dignity he'll be gone by the end of the day. So we're stuck with him basically.

You were saying?

In the aftermath of last week’s referendum, our country faces major challenges. Risks to the economy and living standards are growing. The public is divided.

The government is in disarray. Ministers have made it clear they have no exit plan, but are determined to make working people pay with a new round of cuts and tax rises.

Labour has the responsibility to give a lead where the government will not. We need to bring people together, hold the government to account, oppose austerity and set out a path to exit that will protect jobs and incomes.

To do that we need to stand together. Since I was elected leader of our party nine months ago, we have repeatedly defeated the government over its attacks on living standards.

Last month, Labour become the largest party in the local elections. In Thursday’s referendum, a narrow majority voted to leave, but two thirds of Labour supporters backed our call for a remain vote.

I was democratically elected leader of our party for a new kind of politics by 60% of Labour members and supporters, and I will not betray them by resigning. Today’s vote by MPs has no constitutional legitimacy.

We are a democratic party, with a clear constitution. Our people need Labour party members, trade unionists and MPs to unite behind my leadership at a critical time for our country.
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Hubris and greed.

He will not want to get off the gravy train until evicted.
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Last Line wrote:Hubris and greed.

He will not want to get off the gravy train until evicted.
I don't think there's any reason to think he's greedy at all. He's intransigent and deeply ideological; I expect he sees it as a matter of principal that having been elected according to the rules he will only leave according to the rules. And he thinks he's right, and significantly more right than anyone else likely to become leader other than his immediate cronies, so it's his duty to be there.
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Brazil wrote:
crash 669 wrote:Jesus, 172 to 40, that's a thrashing to make Osbourne weak at the knees.

If Corbyn has an ounce of self awareness or dignity he'll be gone by the end of the day. So we're stuck with him basically.

You were saying?

In the aftermath of last week’s referendum, our country faces major challenges. Risks to the economy and living standards are growing. The public is divided.

The government is in disarray. Ministers have made it clear they have no exit plan, but are determined to make working people pay with a new round of cuts and tax rises.

Labour has the responsibility to give a lead where the government will not. We need to bring people together, hold the government to account, oppose austerity and set out a path to exit that will protect jobs and incomes.

To do that we need to stand together. Since I was elected leader of our party nine months ago, we have repeatedly defeated the government over its attacks on living standards.

Last month, Labour become the largest party in the local elections. In Thursday’s referendum, a narrow majority voted to leave, but two thirds of Labour supporters backed our call for a remain vote.

I was democratically elected leader of our party for a new kind of politics by 60% of Labour members and supporters, and I will not betray them by resigning. Today’s vote by MPs has no constitutional legitimacy.

We are a democratic party, with a clear constitution. Our people need Labour party members, trade unionists and MPs to unite behind my leadership at a critical time for our country.
Oh the irony! :lol:
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Unless he can get the signatures of 10 MEPs (who surely won't want to back him after his performance in the campaign?!) he won't have the 50 signatures needed to actually stand in a leadership contest. Which would be HILARIOUS.
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crash 669 wrote:Unless he can get the signatures of 10 MEPs (who surely won't want to back him after his performance in the campaign?!) he won't have the 50 signatures needed to actually stand in a leadership contest. Which would be HILARIOUS.
It would, he needs to exit stage left quietly.
However, who the feck will want the poison chalice now? Very few Labour MPs have credibility with the public or the ability to unite the waring factions of the rank and file and the PLP.
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c69 wrote:
crash 669 wrote:Unless he can get the signatures of 10 MEPs (who surely won't want to back him after his performance in the campaign?!) he won't have the 50 signatures needed to actually stand in a leadership contest. Which would be HILARIOUS.
It would, he needs to exit stage left quietly.
However, who the feck will want the poison chalice now? Very few Labour MPs have credibility with the public or the ability to unite the waring factions of the rank and file and the PLP.
Plenty of Tories seem to positively want to lead us into recession and civil disorder over free movement of people. In comparison yelling "you're shit, and you know you are" from the opposition despatch boxes looks quite appealing.
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According to Laura Kuenssberg,Gove and Boris were seen having breakfast with Lynton Crosby this am...... (/queasy).
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Last Line wrote:Hubris and greed.

He will not want to get off the gravy train until evicted.
You farking muppet :lol:
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If I were Jeremy, and thank fuckery that I am not, I'd defect to the Greens and everyone would be happy. Labour could focus on trying to win a GE, the Tories could tell their psychotic back benchers to shut up or risk losing the GE, the Greens would get an influx of members following him across as their lord and saviour, and he would get to run or at least be a major figure in a party that will indulge his more kooky ideas until the cows come home
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Mahoney wrote:
Last Line wrote:Hubris and greed.

He will not want to get off the gravy train until evicted.
I don't think there's any reason to think he's greedy at all. He's intransigent and deeply ideological; I expect he sees it as a matter of principal that having been elected according to the rules he will only leave according to the rules. And he thinks he's right, and significantly more right than anyone else likely to become leader other than his immediate cronies, so it's his duty to be there.
He is still there! Feck "the rules", his position is untenable. Even spangle eating Ed Miliband says he must go.

His lack of judgment and self awareness speaks volumes
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Last Line wrote:
Mahoney wrote:
Last Line wrote:Hubris and greed.

He will not want to get off the gravy train until evicted.
I don't think there's any reason to think he's greedy at all. He's intransigent and deeply ideological; I expect he sees it as a matter of principal that having been elected according to the rules he will only leave according to the rules. And he thinks he's right, and significantly more right than anyone else likely to become leader other than his immediate cronies, so it's his duty to be there.
He is still there! Feck "the rules", his position is untenable. Even spangle eating Ed Miliband says he must go.

His lack of judgment and self awareness speaks volumes
He sees himself as elected by the people, and is used to seeing the PLP as the "enemy".. He will stay till there is a full leadership challenge, as he knows he will probably win that.. Unless a credible candidate who can get the backing of the left and is electable steps forward,,
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I would love to see the intractable cockwomble refuse to go and force another leadership election, manage to get it to the membership vote and then win again to become leader of a party of 40 MPs calling themselves 'Labour' while the the other 170-odd form a new party called 'New Labour' so we can finally have a moderate and feasible opposition on the one hand and a bunch of f**king nutjob socialist militants in their own party so the rest of us can easily ignore them again.

He said he wanted a new kind of politics. Well, to his one credit, he's done that.

Chaotic, inept, isolated, divisive, ignorant, egotistical, disconnected and utterly un-electable.
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msp. wrote:
Last Line wrote:
Mahoney wrote:
Last Line wrote:Hubris and greed.

He will not want to get off the gravy train until evicted.
I don't think there's any reason to think he's greedy at all. He's intransigent and deeply ideological; I expect he sees it as a matter of principal that having been elected according to the rules he will only leave according to the rules. And he thinks he's right, and significantly more right than anyone else likely to become leader other than his immediate cronies, so it's his duty to be there.
He is still there! Feck "the rules", his position is untenable. Even spangle eating Ed Miliband says he must go.

His lack of judgment and self awareness speaks volumes
He sees himself as elected by the people, and is used to seeing the PLP as the "enemy".. He will stay till there is a full leadership challenge, as he knows he will probably win that.. Unless a credible candidate who can get the backing of the left and is electable steps forward,,
Now, now, voting against your party five hundred times is a key credential of a strong and unifying leader, as is meekly asking questions about the fiscal rule (which is definitely the first thing on everybody's minds right now).
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Chuckles1188 wrote:If I were Jeremy, and thank fuckery that I am not, I'd defect to the Greens and everyone would be happy. Labour could focus on trying to win a GE, the Tories could tell their psychotic back benchers to shut up or risk losing the GE, the Greens would get an influx of members following him across as their lord and saviour, and he would get to run or at least be a major figure in a party that will indulge his more kooky ideas until the cows come home
In sort of like that in a strange way (although quite like the prospective new leader of the Greens, whose name I can't remember unsurprisingly).
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Evidently Corbyn wanted to throw in the towel yesterday but that c unt of a Trotskyist scumbag Seamus Milne his Director of Communications keeps telling he can't as the grass roots members and unions want him as leader :roll:
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SaintK wrote:Evidently Corbyn wanted to throw in the towel yesterday but that c unt of a Trotskyist scumbag Seamus Milne his Director of Communications keeps telling he can't as the grass roots members and unions want him as leader :roll:
There's a theory that the Guardian are deliberately provoking Momentum so they can avoid having to let Milne back into the office...
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SaintK wrote:Evidently Corbyn wanted to throw in the towel yesterday but that c unt of a Trotskyist scumbag Seamus Milne his Director of Communications keeps telling he can't as the grass roots members and unions want him as leader :roll:
Where've you seen that? Presumably not the infamous "I don't think this is a good idea" video?

A fair point I saw on the "Democratic party" angle, was that although Corbyn did win the nomination democratically, the MP's who oppose him were voted in by 9.7 million people collectively. They have a mandate too.
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SaintK wrote:Evidently Corbyn wanted to throw in the towel yesterday but that c unt of a Trotskyist scumbag Seamus Milne his Director of Communications keeps telling he can't as the grass roots members and unions want him as leader :roll:

Winchester and Oxford Seamus Milne. A real man of the people.
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Brazil wrote:
SaintK wrote:Evidently Corbyn wanted to throw in the towel yesterday but that c unt of a Trotskyist scumbag Seamus Milne his Director of Communications keeps telling he can't as the grass roots members and unions want him as leader :roll:
There's a theory that the Guardian are deliberately provoking Momentum so they can avoid having to let Milne back into the office...
I had to laugh at Cameron calling on Corbyn to resign during PMQs today. He is deliberately providing Corbyn with help to stay.
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I'm disgusted at Labour.

They have about 48 hours to sort this shit out, talk to the SNP and come out with a position people can choose whether or not to get behind whether that's trying to force an election on a remain ticket or just laying out what they will demand in terms of negotiations.
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bimboman wrote:
SaintK wrote:Evidently Corbyn wanted to throw in the towel yesterday but that c unt of a Trotskyist scumbag Seamus Milne his Director of Communications keeps telling he can't as the grass roots members and unions want him as leader :roll:

Winchester and Oxford Seamus Milne. A real man of the people.
Must have been thrashed to within an inch of his life to have become such a spiteful, vindictive, trot bastard
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A5D5E5 wrote:
Brazil wrote:
SaintK wrote:Evidently Corbyn wanted to throw in the towel yesterday but that c unt of a Trotskyist scumbag Seamus Milne his Director of Communications keeps telling he can't as the grass roots members and unions want him as leader :roll:
There's a theory that the Guardian are deliberately provoking Momentum so they can avoid having to let Milne back into the office...
I had to laugh at Cameron calling on Corbyn to resign during PMQs today. He is deliberately providing Corbyn with help to stay.
Saw the video of that. He actually looked genuinely pissed off.
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SamShark wrote:I'm disgusted at Labour.

They have about 48 hours to sort this shit out, talk to the SNP and come out with a position people can choose whether or not to get behind whether that's trying to force an election on a remain ticket or just laying out what they will demand in terms of negotiations.

You're right of course, however the SNP are playing their own agenda, so they'd be no traction their. Labour need to get it together for 2020 now, a pissed of remain vote and an almost guaranteed recession between now and then could be ideal. Instead he won't go, and he really won't, him and the unions have the power levers back they're not letting go, they'll be an irrelevance at the polls if it stays this way though.
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bimboman wrote:
SamShark wrote:I'm disgusted at Labour.

They have about 48 hours to sort this shit out, talk to the SNP and come out with a position people can choose whether or not to get behind whether that's trying to force an election on a remain ticket or just laying out what they will demand in terms of negotiations.

You're right of course, however the SNP are playing their own agenda, so they'd be no traction their. Labour need to get it together for 2020 now, a pissed of remain vote and an almost guaranteed recession between now and then could be ideal. Instead he won't go, and he really won't, him and the unions have the power levers back they're not letting go, they'll be an irrelevance at the polls if it stays this way though.
Rumours starting to circulate that a number of unions (not Unite) are publicly supporting Corbyn but unlikely to back him if push comes to shove - presumably their members are huge fans. The other possibility of course is a split
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
SamShark wrote:I'm disgusted at Labour.

They have about 48 hours to sort this shit out, talk to the SNP and come out with a position people can choose whether or not to get behind whether that's trying to force an election on a remain ticket or just laying out what they will demand in terms of negotiations.

You're right of course, however the SNP are playing their own agenda, so they'd be no traction their. Labour need to get it together for 2020 now, a pissed of remain vote and an almost guaranteed recession between now and then could be ideal. Instead he won't go, and he really won't, him and the unions have the power levers back they're not letting go, they'll be an irrelevance at the polls if it stays this way though.
Rumours starting to circulate that a number of unions (not Unite) are publicly supporting Corbyn but unlikely to back him if push comes to shove - presumably their members are huge fans. The other possibility of course is a split

I wouldn't be sure about the members supporting Corbyn, there is little evidence he is popular outside of momentum and the young zealots.
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When it comes to the leadership election I certainly won't be voting for Corbyn after his performance during the referendum.
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bimboman wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
SamShark wrote:I'm disgusted at Labour.

They have about 48 hours to sort this shit out, talk to the SNP and come out with a position people can choose whether or not to get behind whether that's trying to force an election on a remain ticket or just laying out what they will demand in terms of negotiations.

You're right of course, however the SNP are playing their own agenda, so they'd be no traction their. Labour need to get it together for 2020 now, a pissed of remain vote and an almost guaranteed recession between now and then could be ideal. Instead he won't go, and he really won't, him and the unions have the power levers back they're not letting go, they'll be an irrelevance at the polls if it stays this way though.
Rumours starting to circulate that a number of unions (not Unite) are publicly supporting Corbyn but unlikely to back him if push comes to shove - presumably their members are huge fans. The other possibility of course is a split

I wouldn't be sure about the members supporting Corbyn, there is little evidence he is popular outside of momentum and the young zealots.
The membership seem to remain very keen. You'd imagine that includes a lot of union people
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Corbyn must know - unless he's just another selfish mofo like Farage - that he will never deliver his alternative vision for society.

Some of it isn't his fault - he's never had great backing from his colleagues.

But he can't win an election now and is not an inspiring enough leader to make inroads.

Every hour he stays, the more he fucks up the chance of a left/centre left come back.
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SamShark wrote:Corbyn must know - unless he's just another selfish mofo like Farage - that he will never deliver his alternative vision for society.

Some of it isn't his fault - he's never had great backing from his colleagues.

But he can't win an election now and is not an inspiring enough leader to make inroads.

Every hour he stays, the more he f**k up the chance of a left/centre left come back.
The general consensus is that he doesn't really care, his aim is to basically build a Labour Party infrastructure and base that is on the radical left. Winning the election is not a priority for him. Which would theoretically be fine if it weren't for the fact that the country needs an effective opposition.
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bimboman wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
SamShark wrote:I'm disgusted at Labour.

They have about 48 hours to sort this shit out, talk to the SNP and come out with a position people can choose whether or not to get behind whether that's trying to force an election on a remain ticket or just laying out what they will demand in terms of negotiations.

You're right of course, however the SNP are playing their own agenda, so they'd be no traction their. Labour need to get it together for 2020 now, a pissed of remain vote and an almost guaranteed recession between now and then could be ideal. Instead he won't go, and he really won't, him and the unions have the power levers back they're not letting go, they'll be an irrelevance at the polls if it stays this way though.
Rumours starting to circulate that a number of unions (not Unite) are publicly supporting Corbyn but unlikely to back him if push comes to shove - presumably their members are huge fans. The other possibility of course is a split


I wouldn't be sure about the members supporting Corbyn, there is little evidence he is popular outside of momentum and the young zealots.

And the tory members of this bored that voted him in.
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Leinster in London wrote: And the tory members of this bored that voted him in.
Who, if they're not Remainers, must be feeling about the same as the people who voted Leave but wanted to stay do right now
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The membership seem to remain very keen. You'd imagine that includes a lot of union people
There's 6.5 million union members in the uk, something like 330,000 Labour Party members.

And while we are on the subject of failed votes from the referendum what the f uck did the unions deliver.
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SamShark wrote:I'm disgusted at Labour.

They have about 48 hours to sort this shit out, talk to the SNP and come out with a position people can choose whether or not to get behind whether that's trying to force an election on a remain ticket or just laying out what they will demand in terms of negotiations.
Indeed at a time when they should be taking the lead MPs decided that they would split the LP.
It's politics though and these people don't care, it seems.
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c69 wrote:
SamShark wrote:I'm disgusted at Labour.

They have about 48 hours to sort this shit out, talk to the SNP and come out with a position people can choose whether or not to get behind whether that's trying to force an election on a remain ticket or just laying out what they will demand in terms of negotiations.
Indeed at a time when they should be taking the lead MPs decided that they would split the LP.
It's politics though and these people don't care, it seems.

I assume you blame the bulk of the MP's rather than Corbyn ?
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The Chilcot inquiry can't come soon enough.
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bimboman wrote:
c69 wrote:
SamShark wrote:I'm disgusted at Labour.

They have about 48 hours to sort this shit out, talk to the SNP and come out with a position people can choose whether or not to get behind whether that's trying to force an election on a remain ticket or just laying out what they will demand in terms of negotiations.
Indeed at a time when they should be taking the lead MPs decided that they would split the LP.
It's politics though and these people don't care, it seems.

I assume you blame the bulk of the MP's rather than Corbyn ?
I would be interested to hear from someone who supported Corbyn, as to if they believe Corbyn is doing a good job..
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Dai another day wrote:The Chilcot inquiry can't come soon enough.
Agree, but what do you expect it to contain?
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msp. wrote:
bimboman wrote:
c69 wrote:
SamShark wrote:I'm disgusted at Labour.

They have about 48 hours to sort this shit out, talk to the SNP and come out with a position people can choose whether or not to get behind whether that's trying to force an election on a remain ticket or just laying out what they will demand in terms of negotiations.
Indeed at a time when they should be taking the lead MPs decided that they would split the LP.
It's politics though and these people don't care, it seems.

I assume you blame the bulk of the MP's rather than Corbyn ?
I would be interested to hear from someone who supported Corbyn, as to if they believe Corbyn is doing a good job..
Just pop a message to half my facebook feed, they'll be happy to tell you how it's not his fault because nobody has given him a chance but he's still the best politician in the country, and has been dominating the Tories at the dispatch box for months. I have tried my best to bring them back into touch with reality, but...
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Dai another day wrote:The Chilcot inquiry can't come soon enough.
Has any Inquiry in the UK ever delivered anything, other than a nice shiny peerage for the glove puppet leading it ??
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