Not enough votes in tackling antisemitism.

Far more in appeasing those who dislike Jews/Israel.

What about murals?

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Can we all agree what anti semimetism is for starters: I class it as:

Being anti-Jewish just because they’re Jewish
... and not ...
Saying anything negative about Israel and/or saying anything positive about Palestine.

If we can all agree on the definition then we can make some headway into diagnosing people as antisemetic or otherwise

Thanks

If it’s the one that depicts the Jewish men as a generic hooknosed phenotype then it’s antisemitism.

anti-Semites use Oh but I'm just anti Zionist as a figleaf to disguise their hatred of what they no doubt think of as The Eternal Jew..

Indeed. And I cannot believe Corbyn failed to notice the noses.

anti-Semites use Oh but I'm just anti Zionist as a figleaf to disguise their hatred of what they no doubt think of as The Eternal Jew..

If it’s the one that depicts the Jewish men as a generic hooknosed phenotype then it’s antisemitism.

Would condemning the removal of this mural be anti-semitic?

I would say yes. The depiction is no different than the watermelon large eyed black man depiction or the Irish man depiction in the early 20th Century.

Would condemning the removal of this mural be anti-semitic?

I agree, I would be interested in why slick thinks it isn’t.

So would I!!

I think there may have been a misunderstanding somewhere.

Definitely, I thought you were saying to Bimbo that Corbyn’s comments on its removal weren’t ant-Semitic. Sorry if I got it wrong.

No. It should remain as a symbol of free speech so that people can openly debate the issue of rich old Jews becoming wealthier on the backs of the down-trodden working classes.

An accompanying mural depicting dozens of Muslim Pakistanis with their hands up a twelve-year-old girl's skirt should also be commissioned. For the sake of free-speech.

No, I didn't say anything about that, I was just backing up another poster asking for the rabid Bimbo to quote an anti-semitic comment uttered by Corbyn.

This mural is undoubtedly anti Semitic in my opinion, but everyone needs to be aware that just because this is, it doesn’t automatically mean that every picture, opinion piece, quote etc that isnt supportive of Israel or even anti some Israeli actions is also anti Semitic, that position is as untenable as any other that misses all nuance for the purpose of political traction.

Why are you even bringing Israel into this? The mural has nothing to do with Israel.

What it shows is that, if Corbyn is as serious as he says he is about militant opposition to anti-semitism, his worldview as it is may not survive intact. Rather, it must be radically revised and rethought.

No, I didn't say anything about that, I was just backing up another poster asking for the rabid Bimbo to quote an anti-semitic comment uttered by Corbyn.

Choice.

Indeed you'd have to be "rabid" to think Corbyn has a problem with anti semitism.

Two years ago shameless chakrabati was employed to investigate allegation about the party under Corbyn having an issue.

Two years later even Jon Lansman suggests Jezza should attend "anti semetic " training courses, Jezza himself admits there's a problem and 80 of his own MP's publically protest on the issue on Parliament square.

But I'm rabid. ? , get a grip, your man has just been caught out with his revolting views and "friends" again , but nothing to see here is the response, a defence of checking if he's actually said anything "anti semetic" rather than see the actual problem.

Good on you guys. Blame "rabid" posters rather than look at the slightly more obvious problems.

Indeed you'd have to be "rabid" to think Corbyn has a problem with anti semitism.

Two years ago shameless chakrabati was employed to investigate allegation about the party under Corbyn having an issue.

Two years later even Jon Lansman suggests Jezza should attend "anti semetic " training courses, Jezza himself admits there's a problem and 80 of his own MP's publically protest on the issue on Parliament square.

But I'm rabid. ? , get a grip, your man has just been caught out with his revolting views and "friends" again , but nothing to see here is the response, a defence of checking if he's actually said anything "anti semetic" rather than see the actual problem.

Good on you guys. Blame "rabid" posters rather than look at the slightly more obvious problems.

Yup, you've certainly put that one to bed.

Indeed you'd have to be "rabid" to think Corbyn has a problem with anti semitism.

Two years ago shameless chakrabati was employed to investigate allegation about the party under Corbyn having an issue.

Two years later even Jon Lansman suggests Jezza should attend "anti semetic " training courses, Jezza himself admits there's a problem and 80 of his own MP's publically protest on the issue on Parliament square.

But I'm rabid. ? , get a grip, your man has just been caught out with his revolting views and "friends" again , but nothing to see here is the response, a defence of checking if he's actually said anything "anti semetic" rather than see the actual problem.

Good on you guys. Blame "rabid" posters rather than look at the slightly more obvious problems.

Momentum founder Jon Lansman suggested that members of Labour’s ruling national executive committee, including Jeremy Cobryn, should attend a training course on “unconscious bias”. He said:
Unfortunately in the Labour party it seems, and maybe elsewhere, many people do not seem to be willing to confront this unconscious bias in themselves. We need a big programme of education and training to make people aware of that.
He said that “all people who participate in making decisions about the cases” should go on a course. He went on
People use words like Zionism without understanding how those words are seen by some people. Some people use the word Zionism to mean the politics of Benjamin Netanyahu but most Jews in Britain see Zionism as meaning support for a state of Israel living in peace and security, rather than a discrete ideology.

Can we all agree what anti semimetism is for starters: I class it as:

Being anti-Jewish just because they’re Jewish
... and not ...
Saying anything negative about Israel and/or saying anything positive about Palestine.

If we can all agree on the definition then we can make some headway into diagnosing people as antisemetic or otherwise

Thanks

Not quite what Lansman suggested.

Don’t get me wrong: if there was an election tomorrow, I’d probably still vote for what most people reckon is the more antisemitic of the two main parties, in preference to the one most people reckon is the more racist in other ways. That feels like the public-spirited thing to do: to vote for the ones being racist to the fewest people. Though, of course, antisemites would be being racist to many more people if it weren’t for the success that that prejudice has enjoyed in recent history

Not quite what Lansman suggested.