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Santa wrote:A friend of mine is a Labour Counciller in a London borough. Cornyn is not popular on the doorstep.
My friend who lives next door thinks May is a useless twat.
He has no love for Corbyn either.
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Santa wrote:A friend of mine is a Labour Counciller in a London borough. Cornyn is not popular on the doorstep.
He is among a manic demograph. But people will vote Labour if they think it benefits them. At the end of the day even Tory voters can see homelessness has exploded, services are measurably worse, particularly the NHS, home, via rent or buying is ridiculously expensive and the Tories are in power not doing much. Remember his upswing in popularity came with the Labour manifesto and what it offered.
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Amongst my friends there’s been a cooling off on Corbyn, he seems to have lost momentum (I know) with normal people but the cult of Corbyn is still strong. His fans are bonkers on Facebook, any dissent from fellow labour supporters gets attacked as ‘closet Tory’ or ‘fifth columinst’
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I've never had close friends really be pro-Corbyn. But plenty pro-left wing or pro-liberal in the wet pro-trans/muslim/immigration etc blanket without any nuance. But politics are still a minority of Facebook posts. It's probably less then 10 people and almost none of them are female.
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eldanielfire wrote:
Santa wrote:A friend of mine is a Labour Counciller in a London borough. Cornyn is not popular on the doorstep.
Remember his upswing in popularity came with the Labour manifesto and what it offered.

Free stuff.
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zzzz wrote:
People seem to have forgotten all about the faked WOMDs in Iraq.
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There were no fake WOMD in Iraq. That's kinda the point.

A number of Govts (probably all in truth) made an intelligence assessment that proved to be wrong. The interesting point is when faced with this error, at significant political cost, they told everyone the truth rather than quietly park a few tons of anthrax somewhere remote for later discovery.

From this infertile territory, those of a tinfoil disposition have concluded the Us and UK Govt can't be trusted on WOMD.
That's a generous view, my understanding, from the UK perspective, is that intelligence that cast doubt on the existence of WMDs was played down or omitted where as any evidence that consolidated the hawkish position for war did not seem to be as rigorously tested. The most famous of this is the '45 minutes' claim, which was pretty weak intelligence when the Mi6/JIC first received it, yet it was allowed to make its way into the final dossier for war. We know that doubts existed at the time for the claim as various intelligence staff flagged their concerns that the intel was based on one not very good source. The lack of any context to the 45 mins claim, like the fact it alluded to battlefield weapons only or that Robin Cook concluding at the time, "It's clear from the private briefing that I have had that Saddam has no weapons of mass destruction in a sense of weapons that could strike at strategic cities' was largely suppressed or ignored. While the dossier was not the single document that led the case for war it was a cornerstone one that the tabloids jumped all over with their Armageddon headlines at the time, softening up the public and MPs perception in the process. Blair published the dossier with a nice little forward penned by himself, he was aware of the concerns about the 45 mins claim and the context in which it was being presented, he was being leaned on heavily by Washington who had already decided on military action to present the evidence to fit their policy. The intelligence was not 'wrong', but wilfully manipulated.
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Floppykid wrote:
unseenwork wrote:Now I do despise him given his position on Brexit, but hey ho, at least there would be some degree of craic if he were put in.
No there f**king wouldn't.
Yes it's a bit rich for Corbyn to have a go at that nice Ms May just because few dusky and ageing malcontents are unhappy about losing their jobs and medical benefits, etc.

What about THE RIVERS OF BLOOD!

Murderous communist swine. :x
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bimboman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Santa wrote:A friend of mine is a Labour Counciller in a London borough. Cornyn is not popular on the doorstep.
Remember his upswing in popularity came with the Labour manifesto and what it offered.

Free stuff.

Some of it was. Plenty of it is stuff people want to see as standard services in society.

A good example is some of the Tories cutting policies are false economies, like cutting nurses bursary's which will mean fewer nurses applying for the job and the NHS has to pay more to agencies to get more foreign nurses. Which has the double cost as 10 agency staff cost twice as much, meaning the bursary basically pays for itself with a British trained nurse working for 2 years and 2) the extra cost on services more foreign workers add.

That isn't free stuff, that is good investment that will help cut the deficit in future years and have a more cost efficient NHS service where resources can go further. A similar case with investing in education.
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eldanielfire wrote:Some of it was. Plenty of it is stuff people want to see as standard services in society.

A good example is some of the Tories cutting policies are false economies, like cutting nurses bursary's which will mean fewer nurses applying for the job and the NHS has to pay more to agencies to get more foreign nurses. Which has the double cost as 10 agency staff cost twice as much, meaning the bursary basically pays for itself with a British trained nurse working for 2 years and 2) the extra cost on services more foreign workers add.

That isn't free stuff, that is good investment that will help cut the deficit in future years and have a more cost efficient NHS service where resources can go further. A similar case with investing in education.
Didn't they cut the bursaries because they're massively oversubscribed and they could better use the money in actually providing more places?

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In the 2015 Spending Review ministers set out plans that will mean from August 2017, all new nursing, midwifery and allied health professional students will receive their funding and financial support through student loans rather than through the NHS bursary scheme in England.

Philip Dunne, health minister, said: "Currently two thirds of people who apply to university to become a nurse are not offered a place - we are committed to plans to increase the number of training places for home-grown nurses, midwives and allied health professionals, with those in training getting around 25% more financial support while they study.
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eldanielfire wrote:
bimboman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Santa wrote:A friend of mine is a Labour Counciller in a London borough. Cornyn is not popular on the doorstep.
Remember his upswing in popularity came with the Labour manifesto and what it offered.

Free stuff.

Some of it was. Plenty of it is stuff people want to see as standard services in society.

A good example is some of the Tories cutting policies are false economies, like cutting nurses bursary's which will mean fewer nurses applying for the job and the NHS has to pay more to agencies to get more foreign nurses. Which has the double cost as 10 agency staff cost twice as much, meaning the bursary basically pays for itself with a British trained nurse working for 2 years and 2) the extra cost on services more foreign workers add.

That isn't free stuff, that is good investment that will help cut the deficit in future years and have a more cost efficient NHS service where resources can go further. A similar case with investing in education.

Insert any other policy which has a massive expense / return element. The issue rather with nurses is the insistence that the job is a degree level entrance. You do realise there's bundles of British nurses working via agencies as well as immigrants.its almost impossible to get immigration visas for example for care workers.

And standard services ? Like tuition for everyone with no cost ? The best modern health service provision with no cost, free transport for any particular group (insert group here). Top ups on low pay ?

These have become "standard" but in the majority of the world are nothing of the sort.
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bimboman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
bimboman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Santa wrote:A friend of mine is a Labour Counciller in a London borough. Cornyn is not popular on the doorstep.
Remember his upswing in popularity came with the Labour manifesto and what it offered.

Free stuff.

Some of it was. Plenty of it is stuff people want to see as standard services in society.

A good example is some of the Tories cutting policies are false economies, like cutting nurses bursary's which will mean fewer nurses applying for the job and the NHS has to pay more to agencies to get more foreign nurses. Which has the double cost as 10 agency staff cost twice as much, meaning the bursary basically pays for itself with a British trained nurse working for 2 years and 2) the extra cost on services more foreign workers add.

That isn't free stuff, that is good investment that will help cut the deficit in future years and have a more cost efficient NHS service where resources can go further. A similar case with investing in education.

Insert any other policy which has a massive expense / return element. The issue rather with nurses is the insistence that the job is a degree level entrance. You do realise there's bundles of British nurses working via agencies as well as immigrants.its almost impossible to get immigration visas for example for care workers.

That is the problem I highlighted. Agencies cost the NHS massively.
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eldanielfire wrote:That is the problem I highlighted. Agencies cost the NHS massively.
And taking the money from bursaries and putting it into providing more places will mean we create more home-grown nurses and thus rely less on expensive agencies. The reduction in applicants is meaningless when two thirds of applicants can't get a place.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/PolhomeEdito ... 1051608065

Stunning day in parliament from our PM in waiting.
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bimboman wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/PolhomeEdito ... 1051608065

Stunning day in parliament from our PM in waiting.
He isn't our PM in waiting. Behave
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he'll poll at 40% in the next election, I'd imagine - the difference between a hung parliament and him winning outright is how well the Tory vote holds up between now and then
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openclashXX wrote:he'll poll at 40% in the next election, I'd imagine - the difference between a hung parliament and him winning outright is how well the Tory vote holds up between now and then
Nah, he is a two faced twat.

Sooner or later he is going to blow a fuse and left himself down.
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Willie Falloon wrote:
openclashXX wrote:he'll poll at 40% in the next election, I'd imagine - the difference between a hung parliament and him winning outright is how well the Tory vote holds up between now and then
Nah, he is a two faced twat.

Sooner or later he is going to blow a fuse and left himself down.
believe me, I wish he would bugger off

but the past few weeks, with the anti-Semitism stuff, the Skripal stuff and now the Syria strikes, have shown him to basically be impervious to losing support. genuinely haven't found a single person who voted Corbyn last year and has changed their minds now - if anything, they're more dug in now than ever before

hence I see him carrying his 40% from 2017 onto the next election (no less, no more), and the final result being determined by the strength of the Tories
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openclashXX wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:
openclashXX wrote:he'll poll at 40% in the next election, I'd imagine - the difference between a hung parliament and him winning outright is how well the Tory vote holds up between now and then
Nah, he is a two faced twat.

Sooner or later he is going to blow a fuse and left himself down.
believe me, I wish he would bugger off

but the past few weeks, with the anti-Semitism stuff, the Skripal stuff and now the Syria strikes, have shown him to basically be impervious to losing support. genuinely haven't found a single person who voted Corbyn last year and has changed their minds now - if anything, they're more dug in now than ever before

hence I see him carrying his 40% from 2017 onto the next election (no less, no more), and the final result being determined by the strength of the Tories

He's dropped 7 points with the survation poll.
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openclashXX wrote:he'll poll at 40% in the next election, I'd imagine - the difference between a hung parliament and him winning outright is how well the Tory vote holds up between now and then
If the Tories listened to even their own voters and started investing in education, job training, infrastructure and the NHS, they would get a landslide.
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openclashXX wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:
openclashXX wrote:he'll poll at 40% in the next election, I'd imagine - the difference between a hung parliament and him winning outright is how well the Tory vote holds up between now and then
Nah, he is a two faced twat.

Sooner or later he is going to blow a fuse and left himself down.
believe me, I wish he would bugger off

but the past few weeks, with the anti-Semitism stuff, the Skripal stuff and now the Syria strikes, have shown him to basically be impervious to losing support. genuinely haven't found a single person who voted Corbyn last year and has changed their minds now - if anything, they're more dug in now than ever before

hence I see him carrying his 40% from 2017 onto the next election (no less, no more), and the final result being determined by the strength of the Tories
The problem is, after 8 years of austerity the public's stamina for ever shitter services declines. Plus there is the issue what do young people have? There aren't huge numbers of quality jobs and those with decent jobs can no longer afford homes. The Tories stupidly let housing become a problem a whole generation can't get on the ladder because of their obsession with private building firms who then build and sell to rich c#nts overseas who don't even live in the places or buy to let landlords. Even so called affordable homes are f**king expensive. It's more potent in London and guess where Labour and Corbyn are surging the most?
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8 years and we still have a deficit.... If we'd had Austerity of course it would have been done and dusted ....
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bimboman wrote:8 years and we still have a deficit.... If we'd had Austerity of course it would have been done and dusted ....
Not exactly true. More austerity and there would be potentially less investment, less money making from business growth, fewer people in jobs returning taxes to government and fewer people spending money to make businesses a success etc.
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eldanielfire wrote:
bimboman wrote:8 years and we still have a deficit.... If we'd had Austerity of course it would have been done and dusted ....
Not exactly true. More austerity and there would be potentially less investment, less money making from business growth, fewer people in jobs returning taxes to government and fewer people spending money to make businesses a success etc.

Maybe, it's happened in other country's and they've recovered.
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bimboman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
bimboman wrote:8 years and we still have a deficit.... If we'd had Austerity of course it would have been done and dusted ....
Not exactly true. More austerity and there would be potentially less investment, less money making from business growth, fewer people in jobs returning taxes to government and fewer people spending money to make businesses a success etc.

Maybe, it's happened in other country's and they've recovered.

Are you claiming Spain, Greece, Italy etc are recovered countries now?
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eldanielfire wrote:
bimboman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
bimboman wrote:8 years and we still have a deficit.... If we'd had Austerity of course it would have been done and dusted ....
Not exactly true. More austerity and there would be potentially less investment, less money making from business growth, fewer people in jobs returning taxes to government and fewer people spending money to make businesses a success etc.

Maybe, it's happened in other country's and they've recovered.

Are you claiming Spain, Greece, Italy etc are recovered countries now?

Spain and Italy are terrible examples of countries that had Austerity in Spain's case they've had a leftist governemnt that's hardly cut. What cuts to public spending have Italy carried out.

Ireland have recovered , they to the country's credit in acted serious austerity and quickly.
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The home ownership thing is bizarre - we spent years complaining that British people were too obsessed with buying homes and should rent more like Europeans, now that we are it's suddenly become a national crisis of not enough home ownership

Home ownership is overrated - it locks people into geographies for generations and hampers economic mobility
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bimboman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
bimboman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
bimboman wrote:8 years and we still have a deficit.... If we'd had Austerity of course it would have been done and dusted ....
Not exactly true. More austerity and there would be potentially less investment, less money making from business growth, fewer people in jobs returning taxes to government and fewer people spending money to make businesses a success etc.

Maybe, it's happened in other country's and they've recovered.

Are you claiming Spain, Greece, Italy etc are recovered countries now?

Spain and Italy are terrible examples of countries that had Austerity in Spain's case they've had a leftist governemnt that's hardly cut. What cuts to public spending have Italy carried out.

Ireland have recovered , they to the country's credit in acted serious austerity and quickly.
Eh? Italy cut 100 billion in 3 years. Spain cut 27 billion alone in 2012. That is more cuts then any year the UK has impliemented austerity. And either way those cuts aren't responsible for he poor economic growth

But in your mind basically countries which have had massive cuts to public spending didn't really cut because they are in the shitter? :lol: FFS! Stop this idealogical bollocks. Governments should spend wisely, but capital spending and investment in jobs is a way to run countries sensibly and even allowing more scope for sensible spending because they bring in bigger returns in th medium and long terms.
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openclashXX wrote:The home ownership thing is bizarre - we spent years complaining that British people were too obsessed with buying homes and should rent more like Europeans, now that we are it's suddenly become a national crisis of not enough home ownership

Home ownership is overrated - it locks people into geographies for generations and hampers economic mobility

Nah. Stupid pro-EU lefties and the usual anti-tories complained in their Guardian or wherever opinion pieces. The general public have always wanted to own their home.

Also in this day and age I don't think home ownership locks anyone into geographies, people sell or commute. Home ownership in the South East isn't going to hamper any economic mobility.

Also it possible with ever crappier pensions, home ownership is even more essential for old age financial support.
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eldanielfire wrote:
openclashXX wrote:The home ownership thing is bizarre - we spent years complaining that British people were too obsessed with buying homes and should rent more like Europeans, now that we are it's suddenly become a national crisis of not enough home ownership

Home ownership is overrated - it locks people into geographies for generations and hampers economic mobility

Nah. Stupid pro-EU lefties and the usual anti-tories complained in their Guardian or wherever opinion pieces. The general public have always wanted to own their home.

Also in this day and age I don't think home ownership locks anyone into geographies, people sell or commute. Home ownership in the South East isn't going to hamper any economic mobility.

Also it possible with ever crappier pensions, home ownership is even more essential for old age financial support.
I've seen numbers done for the US housing market which show that home ownership, once you factor in the various purchasing and registration costs plus annual upkeep costs and any incremental home investments, is not any better financially than sticking the same lump-sum deposit amount into a stock market that (on average) has returned 6-7% a year historically and renting instead
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Eh? Italy cut 100 billion in 3 years. Spain cut 27 billion alone in 2012. That is more cuts then any year the UK has impliemented austerity. And either way those cuts aren't responsible for he poor economic growth

But in your mind basically countries which have had massive cuts to public spending didn't really cut because they are in the shitter? :lol: FFS! Stop this idealogical bollocks. Governments should spend wisely, but capital spending and investment in jobs is a way to run countries sensibly and even allowing more scope for sensible spending because they bring in bigger returns in th medium and long terms.
Sorry I've said none of that, make your own arguments, don't make mine you idiot. As I said the UK hasn't implemented Auserity.
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Eh? Italy cut 100 billion in 3 years. Spain cut 27 billion alone in 2012. That is more cuts then any year the UK has impliemented austerity. And either way those cuts aren't responsible for he poor economic growth

But in your mind basically countries which have had massive cuts to public spending didn't really cut because they are in the shitter? :lol: FFS! Stop this idealogical bollocks. Governments should spend wisely, but capital spending and investment in jobs is a way to run countries sensibly and even allowing more scope for sensible spending because they bring in bigger returns in th medium and long terms.
Sorry I've said none of that, make your own arguments, don't make mine you idiot. As I said the UK hasn't implemented Auserity.

Are you sure of the 100 billion cut ?
https://tradingeconomics.com/italy/government-spending


The context of Spain's "cuts"

https://tradingeconomics.com/spain/government-spending
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bimboman wrote:
Eh? Italy cut 100 billion in 3 years. Spain cut 27 billion alone in 2012. That is more cuts then any year the UK has impliemented austerity. And either way those cuts aren't responsible for he poor economic growth

But in your mind basically countries which have had massive cuts to public spending didn't really cut because they are in the shitter? :lol: FFS! Stop this idealogical bollocks. Governments should spend wisely, but capital spending and investment in jobs is a way to run countries sensibly and even allowing more scope for sensible spending because they bring in bigger returns in th medium and long terms.
Sorry I've said none of that, make your own arguments, don't make mine you idiot. As I said the UK hasn't implemented Auserity.

Which is bollocks! As you also said:

Spain and Italy are terrible examples of countries that had Austerity in Spain's case they've had a leftist governemnt that's hardly cut.
After pointing out Ireland's recovery during austerity.
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eldanielfire wrote:
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Eh? Italy cut 100 billion in 3 years. Spain cut 27 billion alone in 2012. That is more cuts then any year the UK has impliemented austerity. And either way those cuts aren't responsible for he poor economic growth

But in your mind basically countries which have had massive cuts to public spending didn't really cut because they are in the shitter? :lol: FFS! Stop this idealogical bollocks. Governments should spend wisely, but capital spending and investment in jobs is a way to run countries sensibly and even allowing more scope for sensible spending because they bring in bigger returns in th medium and long terms.
Sorry I've said none of that, make your own arguments, don't make mine you idiot. As I said the UK hasn't implemented Auserity.

Which is bollocks! As you also said:

Spain and Italy are terrible examples of countries that had Austerity in Spain's case they've had a leftist governemnt that's hardly cut.
After pointing out Ireland's recovery during austerity.

Check my post, check out the 100 "billion" in Italy ? Or the context of 2012 Spanish cuts (as a blip in ever increasing spending).

Don't mosprepresent what I've said about the UK , we haven't had Austerity we have had a slow down in the increase in cash spending. Ireland didnt they had immediate and savage cuts.
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bimboman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Eh? Italy cut 100 billion in 3 years. Spain cut 27 billion alone in 2012. That is more cuts then any year the UK has impliemented austerity. And either way those cuts aren't responsible for he poor economic growth

But in your mind basically countries which have had massive cuts to public spending didn't really cut because they are in the shitter? :lol: FFS! Stop this idealogical bollocks. Governments should spend wisely, but capital spending and investment in jobs is a way to run countries sensibly and even allowing more scope for sensible spending because they bring in bigger returns in th medium and long terms.
Sorry I've said none of that, make your own arguments, don't make mine you idiot. As I said the UK hasn't implemented Auserity.

Which is bollocks! As you also said:

Spain and Italy are terrible examples of countries that had Austerity in Spain's case they've had a leftist governemnt that's hardly cut.
After pointing out Ireland's recovery during austerity.

Check my post, check out the 100 "billion" in Italy ? Or the context of 2012 Spanish cuts (as a blip in ever increasing spending).

Don't mosprepresent what I've said about the UK , we haven't had Austerity we have had a slow down in the increase in cash spending. Ireland didnt they had immediate and savage cuts.
But we have. The UKs finances have specifically been altered to move away from the deficit. That is austerity, there doesn't have to be cuts, however there clearly has been.

As for your "mosrepresent whatI've said" comment, don't be a fool, in the context of the discussion and you opposing my points on the matter your comments had only one meaning, one you've made many times over the years. Don't pretend otherwise or that I'm miss-representing your position.
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But we have. The UKs finances have specifically been altered to move away from the deficit. That is austerity, there doesn't have to be cuts, however there clearly has been.

As for your "mosrepresent whatI've said" comment, don't be a fool, in the context of the discussion and you opposing my points on the matter your comments had only one meaning, one you've made many times over the years. Don't pretend otherwise or that I'm miss-representing your position.

We haven't cut spending in cash terms, we restricted rises , that isn't the same as a 25% cut in spending as per Ireland.

Have you checked the 100 billion of Italian cuts yet ?
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bimboman wrote:
But we have. The UKs finances have specifically been altered to move away from the deficit. That is austerity, there doesn't have to be cuts, however there clearly has been.

As for your "mosrepresent whatI've said" comment, don't be a fool, in the context of the discussion and you opposing my points on the matter your comments had only one meaning, one you've made many times over the years. Don't pretend otherwise or that I'm miss-representing your position.

We haven't cut spending in cash terms, we restricted rises , that isn't the same as a 25% cut in spending as per Ireland.

Have you checked the 100 billion of Italian cuts yet ?
Lots of spending has been cut. The civil service for one. If you didn't notice. One of Osbourne's tricks was to pass off many of the real cuts to local authorities, hence closure of stuff like sure start centers.

And there is no point debating with you about the Italian cuts given you deny them despite posting a link that shows a graph that when switched to 10 yrs shows a massive cut in Italian government spending between 2010 and 2014.

What the hell am I supposed to debate you when you provide the evidence for me.
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eldanielfire wrote:
bimboman wrote:
But we have. The UKs finances have specifically been altered to move away from the deficit. That is austerity, there doesn't have to be cuts, however there clearly has been.

As for your "mosrepresent whatI've said" comment, don't be a fool, in the context of the discussion and you opposing my points on the matter your comments had only one meaning, one you've made many times over the years. Don't pretend otherwise or that I'm miss-representing your position.

We haven't cut spending in cash terms, we restricted rises , that isn't the same as a 25% cut in spending as per Ireland.

Have you checked the 100 billion of Italian cuts yet ?
Lots of spending has been cut. The civil service for one. If you didn't notice. One of Osbourne's tricks was to pass off many of the real cuts to local authorities, hence closure of stuff like sure start centers.

And there is no point debating with you about the Italian cuts given you deny them despite posting a link that shows a graph that when switched to 10 yrs shows a massive cut in Italian government spending between 2010 and 2014.

What the hell am I supposed to debate you when you provide the evidence for me.

What's 795 minus 780 ?
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn is untouchable now

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Steptoe losing the argument and the plot today.

Mad old c unt.
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bimboman wrote:Steptoe losing the argument and the plot today.

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What’s the yoghurt botherer done today?
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn is untouchable now

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ScarfaceClaw wrote:
bimboman wrote:Steptoe losing the argument and the plot today.

Mad old c unt.
What’s the yoghurt botherer done today?
If he saved multiple babies from drowning I suggest bimbo would find fault.
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