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Rugby2023 wrote:Image
All this talk of Brexit being a cliff edge for Britain ignores the other side of the coin, it is a funding cliff edge for the EU. Excluding Germany, Britain’s contribution is more than the total net contribution of the 26 other EU states combined. Guido will repeat this: add up the debits and credits of every member state from France to Poland bar Germany and it comes to a figure less than Britain’s EU contribution. Britain’s exit will be a massive budget hit to the EU

Guido has been saying since the referendum that this will be the year world opinion will shift from “What the hell have the Brits done?” to “The EU is in trouble without Britain.” Mark Carney said similar yesterday. When negotiating it will be important to remind them that a bad deal or no deal could see the UK stop the flow of pounds immediately. That is the EU’s budgetary cliff edge…
https://order-order.com/2017/01/12/eu-f ... liff-edge/
But we're supposed to be spending the £350 million on the NHS. Now you're saying we're going to keep on funding the EU?
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Someone gave me this book and its an absolutely gripping 'insiders' account of everything Brexit related...recommended.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01I9AEIPU/ ... TF8&btkr=1
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danny_fitz wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... and-london
Fresh legal challenges aimed at preventing a hard Brexit will be launched this month as MPs craft parliamentary amendments in the hope of securing a second vote on any final deal with the European Union.

Ireland’s courts will host an ambitious crowdfunded attempt to refer an appeal to the EU’s highest tribunal about whether the process of Brexit is reversible. A letter before action is being sent to the Irish government on Friday, and it is intended that the application will go before judges in Dublin in the spring.

Meanwhile, the high court in London will hear a claim brought by two sets of claimants arguing that the UK should remain in the European Economic Area after Brexit. The challenge is likely to be heard during the week after next.

No date has yet been confirmed for the supreme court’s verdict on the article 50 challenge, which the government is widely expected to lose. The 11 justices will rule on whether ministers can use their powers under the royal prerogative to inform Brussels officially that the UK intends to leave the EU, or whether parliamentary sovereignty means that an act is required.

Ministers are understood to be preparing legislation so that parliament can approve triggering Brexit. It is expected to pass despite Europhile opposition in both houses.

The main claimant before the Dublin courts will be Jolyon Maugham QC, a London tax specialist who is coordinating efforts to argue that article 50 of the Lisbon treaty, which formally begins a country’s exit from the EU, can be reversed if a country changes its mind and decides not to leave.

Maugham, who has rights of audience in Dublin, said: “The UK must retain sovereignty over the shape of its future relationship with the EU. If we change our minds, we must be able to withdraw the notice without needing the consent of the other 27 member states. I want to establish clarity for British voters and deliver sovereignty to the British parliament over the question of its future relationship with its biggest trading partner.”

He said elected politicians may join him in the case as plaintiffs. In the space of a few days his crowdfunding campaign raised £70,000, largely in donations of £50 or less.

British judges and claimants have so far been reluctant to refer questions about Brexit to EU judges in Luxembourg. Maugham’s challenge, nominally against the Irish government, will try to persuade Irish judges to refer the question of article 50’s revocability to the European Court of Justice (ECJ).

If the ECJ were to rule that article 50 is revocable, it would enable the UK to reject the outcome of Brexit negotiations should they not prove acceptable to parliament or voters, and remain in the EU.

The high court case in London about staying in the European Economic Area was initiated by Peter Wilding and Adrian Yalland. Wilding runs the pro-single market organisation British Influence. A group of four anonymous claimants – a mix of overseas, EU, EEA and UK nationals – have joined the judicial review challenge, claiming that separate parliamentary approval is needed to quit the EEA.

Article 127 of the EEA agreement requires contracting parties, which include the UK, to give at least 12 months’ notice before leaving, the claimants point out. They say that implies a separate departure process from the one set out in article 50 of the EU treaty that has been disputed in the supreme court.

Opponents of hard Brexit hope to use defeat for the government in the supreme court as an opportunity to build momentum, even if most accept that the invocation of article 50 is inevitable.

In the House of Commons, the Labour party is confident of tabling a procedural amendment that might attach conditions, such as an agreement for parliament to review whatever exit deal is achieved towards the end of the two-year process. The Liberal Democrats and Scottish Nationalist party are expected to attempt more radical amendments.

A Labour source said its aim was to find something that would garner Tory support and pass rather than making what it viewed as more symbolic gestures.

Similar discussions are under way in the House of Lords, where cross-benchers and pro-European Tories have held meetings in recent weeks to discuss whether they would seek amendments of their own. These are complicated, however, by a concern among many peers that any unilateral action in the upper chamber would be branded anti-democratic.

Instead, the hope is that pressure for another vote among MPs before March 2019 will be irresistible, particularly if the court has already ruled that they have a right to be consulted at the outset of the process.

“Given that the European parliament has demanded that it have a chance to review the deal in good time, it would be very hard for the British government to argue that MPs should have less say – especially since this is all meant to be about returning sovereignty to Westminster,” said Hugo Young, a campaigner for greater transparency in the Brexit process.
Treasonous plum, hang them all!!!!
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Rugby2023 wrote:
Ryanair 2016:

Before June's Brexit referendum, Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary insisted that the airline would shun investment in the UK on the back of a "leave" result. He repeated that following the vote.

Mr O'Leary previously said that Ryanair - whose fleet is rapidly expanding - would shift investment from the UK to other European cities in the event of a vote to leave the EU.

He pledged that none of the 50 aircraft it was getting delivered in the current year would be based in Britain.


Ryanair 2017:

Yesterday Ryanair said that it had struck an agreement with Stansted owner Manchester Airports Group (MAG) to add nine new routes from the airport - the airline's biggest base - to destinations including Strasbourg, Nimes, Copenhagen and Naples. It will also boost flight frequencies on 13 routes.

The deal will see Ryanair increase its passenger traffic at Stansted from 13 million in 2013 to 20 million this year.

Now it's likely that one or two more jets will be based at Stansted, and others could be based at Glasgow and other UK cities.
:)
i wouldnt go on that too much, he has 2 years to maximise some route profit before making other decisions

he was right though, the bilateral treaties which will now be toast (unless there is a speedy work around), wont help UK aviation at all
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fisgard792 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Ryanair 2016:

Before June's Brexit referendum, Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary insisted that the airline would shun investment in the UK on the back of a "leave" result. He repeated that following the vote.

Mr O'Leary previously said that Ryanair - whose fleet is rapidly expanding - would shift investment from the UK to other European cities in the event of a vote to leave the EU.

He pledged that none of the 50 aircraft it was getting delivered in the current year would be based in Britain.


Ryanair 2017:

Yesterday Ryanair said that it had struck an agreement with Stansted owner Manchester Airports Group (MAG) to add nine new routes from the airport - the airline's biggest base - to destinations including Strasbourg, Nimes, Copenhagen and Naples. It will also boost flight frequencies on 13 routes.

The deal will see Ryanair increase its passenger traffic at Stansted from 13 million in 2013 to 20 million this year.

Now it's likely that one or two more jets will be based at Stansted, and others could be based at Glasgow and other UK cities.
:)
i wouldnt go on that too much, he has 2 years to maximise some route profit before making other decisions

he was right though, the bilateral treaties which will now be toast (unless there is a speedy work around), wont help UK aviation at all
I was at a meeting where it was suggested that the fallback could be the original bilateral agreements the UK had before the EU open skies agreement. It was suggested that although the open skies came into existence, there was nothing done to revoke agreements that were made before that time. As the EU has (like the single market) expanded the open skies beyond it's borders, it is possible for the UK to remain in it, but again it comes down to the negotiators. If the negotiators play politics then UK will see changes. If they play business, then it may be possible for the UK to stay at the table, but probably without voting rights.
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so let's just be clear, of the ten 2004 expansion countries only Cyprus and Malta aren't net drains on the EU budget?

that is absolutely crazy, in years to come when people look back at why countries suddenly turned on the EU, 2004 is going to be the key year
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fisgard792 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Ryanair 2016:

Before June's Brexit referendum, Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary insisted that the airline would shun investment in the UK on the back of a "leave" result. He repeated that following the vote.

Mr O'Leary previously said that Ryanair - whose fleet is rapidly expanding - would shift investment from the UK to other European cities in the event of a vote to leave the EU.

He pledged that none of the 50 aircraft it was getting delivered in the current year would be based in Britain.


Ryanair 2017:

Yesterday Ryanair said that it had struck an agreement with Stansted owner Manchester Airports Group (MAG) to add nine new routes from the airport - the airline's biggest base - to destinations including Strasbourg, Nimes, Copenhagen and Naples. It will also boost flight frequencies on 13 routes.

The deal will see Ryanair increase its passenger traffic at Stansted from 13 million in 2013 to 20 million this year.

Now it's likely that one or two more jets will be based at Stansted, and others could be based at Glasgow and other UK cities.
:)
i wouldnt go on that too much, he has 2 years to maximise some route profit before making other decisions

he was right though, the bilateral treaties which will now be toast (unless there is a speedy work around), wont help UK aviation at all
Ryanair themselves, when questioned, said firstly that Brexit hasn't happened and their keeping all options open, and secondly, notwithstanding that it was likely that the UK would be getting fewer of RyanAirs new 'planes than they otherwise would have.

http://www.independent.ie/business/brex ... 63566.html
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Leinster in London wrote:
fisgard792 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Ryanair 2016:

Before June's Brexit referendum, Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary insisted that the airline would shun investment in the UK on the back of a "leave" result. He repeated that following the vote.

Mr O'Leary previously said that Ryanair - whose fleet is rapidly expanding - would shift investment from the UK to other European cities in the event of a vote to leave the EU.

He pledged that none of the 50 aircraft it was getting delivered in the current year would be based in Britain.


Ryanair 2017:

Yesterday Ryanair said that it had struck an agreement with Stansted owner Manchester Airports Group (MAG) to add nine new routes from the airport - the airline's biggest base - to destinations including Strasbourg, Nimes, Copenhagen and Naples. It will also boost flight frequencies on 13 routes.

The deal will see Ryanair increase its passenger traffic at Stansted from 13 million in 2013 to 20 million this year.

Now it's likely that one or two more jets will be based at Stansted, and others could be based at Glasgow and other UK cities.
:)
i wouldnt go on that too much, he has 2 years to maximise some route profit before making other decisions

he was right though, the bilateral treaties which will now be toast (unless there is a speedy work around), wont help UK aviation at all
I was at a meeting where it was suggested that the fallback could be the original bilateral agreements the UK had before the EU open skies agreement. It was suggested that although the open skies came into existence, there was nothing done to revoke agreements that were made before that time. As the EU has (like the single market) expanded the open skies beyond it's borders, it is possible for the UK to remain in it, but again it comes down to the negotiators. If the negotiators play politics then UK will see changes. If they play business, then it may be possible for the UK to stay at the table, but probably without voting rights.
What IAG does should Brexit get triggered will be interesting. They are registered in Spain, have a London HQ, and following Brexit, will own two major EU carriers (Iberia and Aer Lingus) and one non EU in BA (ignoring Veuling and other smaller carriers it owns). It will be thinking hard about its HQ and what happens BA, especially its SH fleet.
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New Zealand ready to establish a new 'high quality' trade agreement with the UK post-Brexit, according to Reuters.
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NickC wrote:New Zealand ready to establish a new 'high quality' trade agreement with the UK post-Brexit, according to Reuters.
Will be a great comfort to UK sheep farmers I am sure :?
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To elaborate - I think the secure the symbolic victory of some quick trade deals I think some UK sectors are going to get thrown under the bus - farming most of all.
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tc27 wrote:To elaborate - I think the secure the symbolic victory of some quick trade deals I think some UK sectors are going to get thrown under the bus - farming most of all.
It is, or will be, a new trade deal, symbolic or not.
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camroc1 wrote:
Leinster in London wrote:
fisgard792 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Ryanair 2016:

Before June's Brexit referendum, Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary insisted that the airline would shun investment in the UK on the back of a "leave" result. He repeated that following the vote.

Mr O'Leary previously said that Ryanair - whose fleet is rapidly expanding - would shift investment from the UK to other European cities in the event of a vote to leave the EU.

He pledged that none of the 50 aircraft it was getting delivered in the current year would be based in Britain.


Ryanair 2017:

Yesterday Ryanair said that it had struck an agreement with Stansted owner Manchester Airports Group (MAG) to add nine new routes from the airport - the airline's biggest base - to destinations including Strasbourg, Nimes, Copenhagen and Naples. It will also boost flight frequencies on 13 routes.

The deal will see Ryanair increase its passenger traffic at Stansted from 13 million in 2013 to 20 million this year.

Now it's likely that one or two more jets will be based at Stansted, and others could be based at Glasgow and other UK cities.
:)
i wouldnt go on that too much, he has 2 years to maximise some route profit before making other decisions

he was right though, the bilateral treaties which will now be toast (unless there is a speedy work around), wont help UK aviation at all
I was at a meeting where it was suggested that the fallback could be the original bilateral agreements the UK had before the EU open skies agreement. It was suggested that although the open skies came into existence, there was nothing done to revoke agreements that were made before that time. As the EU has (like the single market) expanded the open skies beyond it's borders, it is possible for the UK to remain in it, but again it comes down to the negotiators. If the negotiators play politics then UK will see changes. If they play business, then it may be possible for the UK to stay at the table, but probably without voting rights.
What IAG does should Brexit get triggered will be interesting. They are registered in Spain, have a London HQ, and following Brexit, will own two major EU carriers (Iberia and Aer Lingus) and one non EU in BA (ignoring Veuling and other smaller carriers it owns). It will be thinking hard about its HQ and what happens BA, especially its SH fleet.
The view from the legal eagles was that IAG would not be affected. By internal re-organisation they could arrange Vueling feeders to the non UK inter-continental flights and fly them with the Iberian/Aer Lingus banner. BA would then just operate into and out of UK, (which is close enough to what it does anyway).
Easyjet though would have problems with it's flights between 2 non UK destinations.
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NickC wrote:
tc27 wrote:To elaborate - I think the secure the symbolic victory of some quick trade deals I think some UK sectors are going to get thrown under the bus - farming most of all.
It is, or will be, a new trade deal, symbolic or not.

Point is really that we are going to have our own trade and agricultural policies again for the first time in 40 years.

Might be worth figuring out what we want those to be before we go about setting them by default in quick trade deals.
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tc27 wrote:
NickC wrote:
tc27 wrote:To elaborate - I think the secure the symbolic victory of some quick trade deals I think some UK sectors are going to get thrown under the bus - farming most of all.
It is, or will be, a new trade deal, symbolic or not.

Point is really that we are going to have our own trade and agricultural policies again for the first time in 40 years.

Might be worth figuring out what we want those to be before we go about setting them by default in quick trade deals.
Don't worry, Angela Leadsom is on the case!

New Zealand and Australian deals should be sewn up pretty quickly - you do wonder about the working holiday visas though.
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NickC wrote:New Zealand ready to establish a new 'high quality' trade agreement with the UK post-Brexit, according to Reuters.
New Zealand GDP is the same as a middle ranking German state... Go UK! That will teach the EU.
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mikerob wrote:
NickC wrote:New Zealand ready to establish a new 'high quality' trade agreement with the UK post-Brexit, according to Reuters.
New Zealand GDP is the same as a middle ranking German state... Go UK! That will teach the EU.

True, but a journey starts with the first step.
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mikerob wrote:
NickC wrote:New Zealand ready to establish a new 'high quality' trade agreement with the UK post-Brexit, according to Reuters.
New Zealand GDP is the same as a middle ranking German state... Go UK! That will teach the EU.

As I said getting some quick trade deals is a symbolic point - the deal that matters will be with the common tariff area of 300 million people on our doorstep.
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The population of the European Union subtracting the United Kingdom total is approximately 450 million people
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tc27 wrote:
mikerob wrote:
NickC wrote:New Zealand ready to establish a new 'high quality' trade agreement with the UK post-Brexit, according to Reuters.
New Zealand GDP is the same as a middle ranking German state... Go UK! That will teach the EU.

As I said getting some quick trade deals is a symbolic point - the deal that matters will be with the common tariff area of 300 million people on our doorstep.
Yeah, the trouble is people confusing symbolism with reality...

As you mentioned, the people who should be worried about this are the UK sheep farmers as being in the EU restricted the importation of lamb from NZ. You can guarantee that a NZ definition of 'high quality' trade agreement will mean removing these restrictions. So if the UK then faces restrictions exporting lamb into the EU (which there would be, even under the single market, as that doesn't cover agriculture) the UK farmers will face increasing competition at home, and more difficulty exporting and be a bit fecked, basically.

Still, they'll have taken back control so they should be happy with that.
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Luckily we have a surfeit of trade specialists to negotiate these high powered deals.
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Population of New Zealand is 4.4 million people. Distance from the UK 18,000 km.
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pigsy wrote:Luckily we have a surfeit of trade specialists to negotiate these high powered deals.
... and NZ even offered to hire the UK some of theirs (at very reasonable consultancy rates, I'm sure)
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pigsy wrote:Luckily we have a surfeit of trade specialists to negotiate these high powered deals.
Hire them. The yanks generally have around 4000 new appointments with each change of administration.
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Gospel wrote:
pigsy wrote:Luckily we have a surfeit of trade specialists to negotiate these high powered deals.
Hire them. The yanks generally have around 4000 new appointments with each change of administration.
Plenty of negotiators/trade specialist in India
Theresa is desperate to make a deal with them.
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“Америка теперь будет идти в новом направлении,” Trump Confirms In Worrying Address
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/0 ... nt=Article
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Adetroy wrote:The population of the European Union subtracting the United Kingdom total is approximately 450 million people

It's small but it's a start. It may be worth around 2% of what the EU is worth to us. But there are plenty of others. We won't lose all EU trade, if we lost 25% I'd be surprised so the NZ deal would go a long way to plugging that 8% of what we'd need in that scenario. Stop being panicky fannies. And it won't put downward pressure on wages.

I'll pay you well, just one catch I get a key to your front door and I get to treat it like my own when I'm in town. No thanks EU.
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dr dre2 wrote:
Adetroy wrote:The population of the European Union subtracting the United Kingdom total is approximately 450 million people

It's small but it's a start. It may be worth around 2% of what the EU is worth to us. But there are plenty of others. We won't lose all EU trade, if we lost 25% I'd be surprised so the NZ deal would go a long way to plugging that 8% of what we'd need in that scenario. Stop being panicky fannies. And it won't put downward pressure on wages.

I'll pay you well, just one catch I get a key to your front door and I get to treat it like my own when I'm in town. No thanks EU.
The big populations are in the commonwealth countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh. They sort of speak English and have the British values lacking in Europeans and are dying to do deals with us, as is Theresa with them.
Asia is our oyster. :thumbup:
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RWC2015 wrote:
“Америка теперь будет идти в новом направлении,” Trump Confirms In Worrying Address
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/0 ... nt=Article
X

That's frightening and he said the other day he is a Germophobe.
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mikerob wrote:
NickC wrote:New Zealand ready to establish a new 'high quality' trade agreement with the UK post-Brexit, according to Reuters.
New Zealand GDP is the same as a middle ranking German state... Go UK! That will teach the EU.
Think of all the cheap (but inferior to Welsh :twisted: ) lamb and Anchor butter we can gain.
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openclashXX wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:Image
so let's just be clear, of the ten 2004 expansion countries only Cyprus and Malta aren't net drains on the EU budget?

that is absolutely crazy, in years to come when people look back at why countries suddenly turned on the EU, 2004 is going to be the key year
I wonder if anything might have happened between 2004 and 2015 which might have affected the financial contributions of EU member states. You complete pillock
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jorwar wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:
Adetroy wrote:The population of the European Union subtracting the United Kingdom total is approximately 450 million people

It's small but it's a start. It may be worth around 2% of what the EU is worth to us. But there are plenty of others. We won't lose all EU trade, if we lost 25% I'd be surprised so the NZ deal would go a long way to plugging that 8% of what we'd need in that scenario. Stop being panicky fannies. And it won't put downward pressure on wages.

I'll pay you well, just one catch I get a key to your front door and I get to treat it like my own when I'm in town. No thanks EU.
The big populations are in the commonwealth countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh. They sort of speak English and have the British values lacking in Europeans and are dying to do deals with us, as is Theresa with them.
Asia is our oyster. :thumbup:
I think there are positives for sure particularly at a higher level but you really do show yourselves up as misty eyed little Englanders if you think that closer links with low wage, low wealth populi is the way to replace the EU on our doorstep. Or did you think our ex-colonies will be meekly Blighty-led recalling fondly the days of the Raj.
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:Image
so let's just be clear, of the ten 2004 expansion countries only Cyprus and Malta aren't net drains on the EU budget?

that is absolutely crazy, in years to come when people look back at why countries suddenly turned on the EU, 2004 is going to be the key year
I wonder if anything might have happened between 2004 and 2015 which might have affected the financial contributions of EU member states. You complete pillock
Oh no Chuckles!! That makes no sense, we all lost a bit but a few fractions and by 2015 growth may have been slow for the preceding years but we passed where we were in 2008. And it was mostly in proportion. The winners and losers on that graph remain constant, Poland are not bottom of the league because of 2008. It's being suggested that the influx of poor countries in 2004 drew resources away and the benefits afforded to pre2004 members such as free movement of people were not an issue until they were abused by the post2004 lot. They took the funding and and moved on mass. This has nothing to do with the financial crisis. We were cool with French, Germans etc. Coming over, they regulated themselves.

The post2004 lot were poor and when they got the key to the pantry raided it.
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:Image
so let's just be clear, of the ten 2004 expansion countries only Cyprus and Malta aren't net drains on the EU budget?

that is absolutely crazy, in years to come when people look back at why countries suddenly turned on the EU, 2004 is going to be the key year
I wonder if anything might have happened between 2004 and 2015 which might have affected the financial contributions of EU member states. You complete pillock
I would be really surprised if the financial crash had a huge part to play, I suspect except for maybe a few exceptions, each country's relative wealth and budgetary contribution hasn't changed that much in relation to other EU members. Even if it did so what, it doesnt alter the facts as they are now.
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shereblue wrote:
jorwar wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:
Adetroy wrote:The population of the European Union subtracting the United Kingdom total is approximately 450 million people

It's small but it's a start. It may be worth around 2% of what the EU is worth to us. But there are plenty of others. We won't lose all EU trade, if we lost 25% I'd be surprised so the NZ deal would go a long way to plugging that 8% of what we'd need in that scenario. Stop being panicky fannies. And it won't put downward pressure on wages.

I'll pay you well, just one catch I get a key to your front door and I get to treat it like my own when I'm in town. No thanks EU.
The big populations are in the commonwealth countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh. They sort of speak English and have the British values lacking in Europeans and are dying to do deals with us, as is Theresa with them.
Asia is our oyster. :thumbup:
I think there are positives for sure particularly at a higher level but you really do show yourselves up as misty eyed little Englanders if you think that closer links with low wage, low wealth populi is the way to replace the EU on our doorstep. Or did you think our ex-colonies will be meekly Blighty-led recalling fondly the days of the Raj.
Particularly if the UK attitude in discussions with India is "we want your money but we don't want your people".

Relaxing visa requirements for their citizens would be on the Indian list of requirements for sure.
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shereblue wrote:
jorwar wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:
Adetroy wrote:The population of the European Union subtracting the United Kingdom total is approximately 450 million people

It's small but it's a start. It may be worth around 2% of what the EU is worth to us. But there are plenty of others. We won't lose all EU trade, if we lost 25% I'd be surprised so the NZ deal would go a long way to plugging that 8% of what we'd need in that scenario. Stop being panicky fannies. And it won't put downward pressure on wages.

I'll pay you well, just one catch I get a key to your front door and I get to treat it like my own when I'm in town. No thanks EU.
The big populations are in the commonwealth countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh. They sort of speak English and have the British values lacking in Europeans and are dying to do deals with us, as is Theresa with them.
Asia is our oyster. :thumbup:
I think there are positives for sure particularly at a higher level but you really do show yourselves up as misty eyed little Englanders if you think that closer links with low wage, low wealth populi is the way to replace the EU on our doorstep. Or did you think our ex-colonies will be meekly Blighty-led recalling fondly the days of the Raj.
Those three have always struck me as the most English of little englanders.
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shereblue wrote:
jorwar wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:
Adetroy wrote:The population of the European Union subtracting the United Kingdom total is approximately 450 million people

It's small but it's a start. It may be worth around 2% of what the EU is worth to us. But there are plenty of others. We won't lose all EU trade, if we lost 25% I'd be surprised so the NZ deal would go a long way to plugging that 8% of what we'd need in that scenario. Stop being panicky fannies. And it won't put downward pressure on wages.

I'll pay you well, just one catch I get a key to your front door and I get to treat it like my own when I'm in town. No thanks EU.
The big populations are in the commonwealth countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh. They sort of speak English and have the British values lacking in Europeans and are dying to do deals with us, as is Theresa with them.
Asia is our oyster. :thumbup:
I think there are positives for sure particularly at a higher level but you really do show yourselves up as misty eyed little Englanders if you think that closer links with low wage, low wealth populi is the way to replace the EU on our doorstep. Or did you think our ex-colonies will be meekly Blighty-led recalling fondly the days of the Raj.
;)
Mother Theresa has possibly already found out from them that a trade deal with India would involve free movement of people. The prospect of more turbans on the street would not delight brexiters who thought voting to leave Europe would put a stop to such things. Farage and ukippers will be turning cartwheels of delight at the betrayal by the Tories.
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A handy Brexit glossary courtesy of the Daily Politics:
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jorwar wrote:
shereblue wrote:
jorwar wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:

It's small but it's a start. It may be worth around 2% of what the EU is worth to us. But there are plenty of others. We won't lose all EU trade, if we lost 25% I'd be surprised so the NZ deal would go a long way to plugging that 8% of what we'd need in that scenario. Stop being panicky fannies. And it won't put downward pressure on wages.

I'll pay you well, just one catch I get a key to your front door and I get to treat it like my own when I'm in town. No thanks EU.
The big populations are in the commonwealth countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh. They sort of speak English and have the British values lacking in Europeans and are dying to do deals with us, as is Theresa with them.
Asia is our oyster. :thumbup:
I think there are positives for sure particularly at a higher level but you really do show yourselves up as misty eyed little Englanders if you think that closer links with low wage, low wealth populi is the way to replace the EU on our doorstep. Or did you think our ex-colonies will be meekly Blighty-led recalling fondly the days of the Raj.
;)
Mother Theresa has possibly already found out from them that a trade deal with India would involve free movement of people. The prospect of more turbans on the street would not delight brexiters who thought voting to leave Europe would put a stop to such things. Farage and ukippers will be turning cartwheels of delight at the betrayal by the Tories.
I'm sure UKIP and the little Englanders will be ok with that. Just think of all the empty high street retail premises the Indian, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi immigrants can take over for their new restaurants and corner shops.
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